Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

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Looking back on it, the Brawl trailer really wasn't that special in its content but it was effective in its delivery. The thing that made it effective was how it revealed just enough information to drive most fans crazy with curiosity, which is ultimately the point of trailers anyways. It also happened at a pace that it was hard to register everything that was going on. First Mario/Link/Pikachu/Kirby changed to have significantly better graphics in the span of about 6 seconds before introducing final smashes in the span of 11 seconds while revealing three new stages and four new characters in the span of about a minute and 10 seconds. At the end, they then dragged out Snake's reveal for nearly a minute just to rub it in everyone's face that one of the former taboo's of the franchise (no third party characters allowed) had been shattered. In my opinion, the only other trailer in Nintendo's history that had been more effective in its delivery was Twilight Princess even though they largely followed the same formula: show a few old things, show a few new things, and offer few explanations about either.

No Nintendog mention? :3

Kinda wish I saved the link from a few months ago where Sakurai said he would try and top Brawl's trailer. Not going to get my hopes up that high for a lot of already mentioned reasons, but it wouldn't be fair to not give the man a chance to blow away my expectations again and live up to the hype this game has already created.

My major question is how he will present the cross platform connectivity in an exciting way. Can't get the dullness of waiting for Pokemon to be traded out of my head when it comes to this.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Ganondorf is MADE for free for alls! He does badly in one on one, but he can easily take advantage of the madness of a free for all.

 

[Thunderfang747]

Ganondorf is MADE for free for alls! He does badly in one on one, but he can easily take advantage of the madness of a free for all.

lol No kidding, you underestimate him as you always do. Then when you get busy with one of your other opponents, he sneaks up on you and does his stomp of death...Ganondorf Wins

 

[FlareHabanero]

Despite being nerfed, Ganon is still a fun character to use in a casual fight. But only in a casual fight, he's impractical otherwise.

 

[Fatmanonice]

No Nintendog mention? :3

Kinda wish I saved the link from a few months ago where Sakurai said he would try and top Brawl's trailer. Not going to get my hopes up that high for a lot of already mentioned reasons, but it wouldn't be fair to not give the man a chance to blow away my expectations again and live up to the hype this game has already created.

My major question is how he will present the cross platform connectivity in an exciting way. Can't get the dullness of waiting for Pokemon to be traded out of my head when it comes to this.

At least they had more time now to actually attempt to top the Brawl trailer. SSB4's been in development for about a year and three months now while Brawl was in development for about 7 months when its first trailer was shown. Supposedly SSB4's engine was completed in August 2012 while Brawl's wasn't done until about July/August 2007, about two months after its trailer.

 

[Frostwraith]

I actually don't use Ganondorf much in 1 vs. 1 matches. For those matches, I mainly use Olimar.

Different characters for different situations and strategies, basically.

 

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At least they had more time now to actually attempt to top the Brawl trailer. SSB4's been in development for about a year and three months now while Brawl was in development for about 7 months when its first trailer was shown. Supposedly SSB4's engine was completed in August 2012 while Brawl's wasn't done until about July/August 2007, about two months after its trailer.

I guess that's a good point, though I would hope they didn't spend too much time on the trailer. lol

Also do you mean July/August 2006? If it was 2007 that would be really surprising.

 

[Thunderfang747]

I actually don't use Ganondorf much in 1 vs. 1 matches. For those matches, I mainly use Olimar.

Different characters for different situations and strategies, basically.

Makes sense, Olimar is a fantastic character for 1v1s. D'em disjointed hitboxes.

 

[~automatic]

I'm willing to bet that if I explicitly state that I main Ganondorf, some people will shout "Blimey! That Frost guy mains Ganondorf! He's garbage! He's a low-tier scum!!"
What a complete scandal.

No one actually cares about tiers. Only newfags and scrubs make a huge deal which makes them look bad for bringing up such petty things which end up looking bad because people who don't know diddly brought such matters up. Besides not everyone plays competitively and most people respect that.

Said the person that mains Pikachu.

I mained him competently and placed fairly well for a while (while I cared) to boot.

 

[Frostwraith]

Makes sense, Olimar is a fantastic character for 1v1s. D'em disjointed hitboxes.

His side special is also very handy in racking up damage quickly, especially if you have White Pikmin.

No one actually cares about tiers. Only new***s and scrubs make a huge deal which makes them look bad for bringing up such petty things which end up looking bad because people who don't know diddly brought such matters up. Besides not everyone plays competitively and most people respect that.

I know that. I was being sarcastic in that post.

 

[Thunderfang747]

No one actually cares about tiers. Only new***s and scrubs make a huge deal which makes them look bad for bringing up such petty things which end up looking bad because people who don't know diddly brought such matters up. Besides not everyone plays competitively and most people respect that.



I mained him competently and placed fairly well for a while (while I cared) to boot.

My view on tiers is while they definitely do exist and if you are a player who is only in it to win you are best off with the top tiers, you should not be slandered for any character you pick. Maining a low tier takes dedication and it is always a joy to see someone making them work.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I don't understand why some people even care about tiers. That may be because I've been maining some of the wackier characters, though.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Pikachu reminds of the times I used to fiddle with random online, before it got the taunt party cancer. People used to play as Ike and Pikachu, and just spammed the hell out of attacks with absolutely no strategy involved. Just spammed attacks and hoping to get a kill. Pikachu's case is hilarious because reflecting Thunder with the Angel Ring is hilarious.

 

[Diddy Kong]

It's less laughable than your idea of Pikachu being tied to a Trainer with Pichu and Raichu.
And as I said before, I don't think it will happen. Just that it is in fact a possibility.

Still more legit than bringing back Dr.Mario in general.

 

[Deleted member]

Not really.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Still more legit than bringing back Dr.Mario in general.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Pikachu reminds of the times I used to fiddle with random online, before it got the taunt party cancer. People used to play as Ike and Pikachu, and just spammed the hell out of attacks with absolutely no strategy involved. Just spammed attacks and hoping to get a kill. Pikachu's case is hilarious because reflecting Thunder with the Angel Ring is hilarious.

You know what's really fun to do with my main in a match with a spamming Pikachu? Keep catching Thunder with Oil Panic until it's full, then dodge the next Thunder and let Oil Panic loose. The best part? They never get the hint.

 

[Frostwraith]

Thunder spamming Pikachu players are hilarious due to how predictable they are. I remember using Ganondorf to curb stomp those poor souls...

 

[Diddy Kong]

Not really.

Unique character concept > blandest clone in Smash history.



Diddy's D Air gimps >>>>>>>>>> everything else in Brawl

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Olimar was my biggest desire for Brawl, I only got really lucky that he ended up being pretty good. I wonder if he'll be as good as he was in Brawl in SSB4.. hmmm.. There's really no telling how characters are going to change balance wise. The veterans interest me just as much of the newcomers because of questions like this.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Which reminds me, isn't Ganondorf supposed to be Akuma's long lost brother?

 

[Admiral Pit]

Well I care about tiers mainly because I am often sickened of seeing many players giving up their old mains for one of the higher ups, and I mainly mean MK. Let's face it; back at the beginning we had a larger diversity in characters, from seeing some Zeldas, Links, Yoshis, PT, and even a Bowser here and there. But now it's just practically anyone that's a top or high tier (save for Pika and ZSS) with very few of the lesser ones. You got those who quit their old mains and went to higher ups because of tier list influence and/or discouragement, or they still main who they main but second a higher up for the same reasons.
Well, I understand having a secondary if you're at a major disadvantage, say like you're Bowser against D3... (good freaking luck Bowser), you'd probably want someone like Falco, Olimar, or Marth to have a better chance. However, most people these days just rather go straight to MK when they're losing which annoys me greatly.

Then again, I'm just a Pit/Bowser main, and they're the only characters that I can use effectively, and I'm very proud of it. Can't say the same about me being bashed a lot by elitists and other jerks for many reasons besides being restricted to wifi only, but that's just me.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Which reminds me, isn't Ganondorf supposed to be Akuma's long lost brother?

That would actually be Jigglypuff.

 

[Starphoenix]

At least they had more time now to actually attempt to top the Brawl trailer. SSB4's been in development for about a year and three months now while Brawl was in development for about 7 months when its first trailer was shown. Supposedly SSB4's engine was completed in August 2012 while Brawl's wasn't done until about July/August 2007, about two months after its trailer.

Although they have had more time, they've also had double the work between both titles. I'm rather interested to see what Sakurai/Nintendo focus the trailer on considering the 3DS/Wii U cross connectivity is going to be the axis of the next game. If I were a betting man I'd place my chips on there being two small trailers like with Melee in 2001: one trailer revealing the game and new characters and the other highlighting gameplay and some new mechanics (in this case cross connectivity features). Considering there are rumblings of the Wii U getting some 3DS compatibility updates in the future, I think Super Smash Bros would be the perfect segue into demonstrating that existing potential.

 

[Frostwraith]

Characters like Dr. Mario and Dark Pit could be alt./EX modes for already included characters. They could alter the original characters a little bit, but still keeping most gameplay elements. I mean, these two are the cloniest of clones, but they still have their own quirks I'd like to see in Smash.

Which reminds me, isn't Ganondorf supposed to be Akuma's long lost brother?

I thought that was Demise.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Jigglypuff is Kirby's girlfriend man, try again.

 

[FlareHabanero]

If I were a betting man I'd place my chips on there being two small trailers like with Melee in 2001: one trailer revealing the game and new characters and the other highlighting gameplay and some new mechanics (in this case cross connectivity features).

That was one big trailer, not two small ones. That's just silly to say, it's like saying the two segments (the main one and the Snake reveal) for the first Brawl trailer were two separate things too.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Jigglypuff is Kirby's girlfriend man, try again.

What if that Jigglypuff wasn't a girl?

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Well I care about tiers mainly because I am often sickened of seeing many players giving up their old mains for one of the higher ups, and I mainly mean MK. Let's face it; back at the beginning we had a larger diversity in characters, from seeing some Zeldas, Links, Yoshis, PT, and even a Bowser here and there. But now it's just practically anyone that's a top or high tier (save for Pika and ZSS) with very few of the lesser ones. You got those who quit their old mains and went to higher ups because of tier list influence and/or discouragement, or they still main who they main but second a higher up for the same reasons.
Well, I understand having a secondary if you're at a major disadvantage, say like you're Bowser against D3... (good freaking luck Bowser), you'd probably want someone like Falco, Olimar, or Marth to have a better chance. However, most people some days just rather go straight to MK when they're losing which annoys me greatly.

Then again, I'm just a Pit/Bowser main, and they're the only characters that I can use effectively, and I'm very proud of it. Can't say the same about me being bashed a lot by elitists and other jerks for many reasons besides being restricted to wifi only, but that's just me.

That may be why I never cared about tiers. I'm great with characters like G&W, D3, Kirby, and Yoshi, but somehow, I suck with Meta Knight.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

EDIT: Disregard. Double post.

 

[Diddy Kong]

G&W, King Dedede and Kirby are all relatively good characters in Brawl however. Yoshi will forever suck I'm affraid.

 

[Starphoenix]

That was one big trailer, not two small ones. That's just silly to say, it's like saying the two segments (the main one and the Snake reveal) for the first Brawl trailer were two separate things too.

They were two clips strung together.

 

[Deleted member]

Unique character concept > blandest clone in Smash history.



Diddy's D Air gimps >>>>>>>>>> everything else in Brawl

How is a Pokémon Trainer rip-off using Pikachu and two Pikachu clones unique in any way whatsoever?
And blandest clone in Smash history > demoting an established character into nothing more than a part of a ******** gimmick.

 

[Moon Monkey]

G&W, King Dedede and Kirby are all relatively good characters in Brawl however. Yoshi will forever suck I'm affraid.

Fight. Me. NOW!
Lol!! Yoshi is actually pretty decent. Nothing special, but decent.

 

[FlareHabanero]

They were two clips strung together.

Still doesn't change the fact that it's one trailer, not two like people pretend it is.

 

[Diddy Kong]

How is a Pokémon Trainer rip-off using Pikachu and two Pikachu clones unique in any way whatsoever?
And blandest clone in Smash history > turning an established character into a part of a gimmick.

: Hai.

It's no Pokémon Trainer rip-off as much as Wreck-It-Ralph isn't a Donkey Kong arcade rip-off.

Besides, evolution mechanic is a clever idea, and they already had experimental characters a lot with Pichu, Lucario and the Pokémon Trainer and their mechanics. This combines them all, gives Pichu a warranted character spot. Gives Pikachu an upgrade into Raichu for the more dedicated fans. Besides, I always said Pikachu could be selective on his own still. And I never said couple Pika with a Trainer, just give him an evolution mechanic.

Also, Pichu and Raichu's unique moveset potential >> Dr.Mario's.

Golden, why you try so hard to look smart? It's especially funny, cause you don't seem to think of me as the brightest yet you've been spreading nothing but gibberish the last couple of pages.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

G&W, King Dedede and Kirby are all relatively good characters in Brawl however. Yoshi will forever suck I'm affraid.

Yoshi honestly got better in Brawl IMO. His B-Up could be used for recovery, however slight it was.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Fight. Me. NOW!
Lol!! Yoshi is actually pretty decent. Nothing special, but decent.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Why care what we call the Melee trailer?

And Yoshi doesn't have to suck forever! I don't know why, but I really like Yoshi, and I was a bit disappointed with him in Brawl.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Why care what we call the Melee trailer?

Because this is the internet and we must fight over the stupidest subjects.