Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

[Johnknight1]

Even knowing that, I expect little other than possibly Mega Man, especially considering that Sakurai seems reluctant. I'm sure I'll be proven wrong about them at E3, but I'm just not really enthused about anything else.

How did Sakurai seem reluctant to 3rd party characters more so than 1st or 2nd party characters=???

I mean with so few legitimate 1st/2nd party choices left that many people care about. Basically all you got is just a few lead characters of small 1st/2nd party franchises new and old (some of who may be "WTF?" characters), *insert some Pokémon here (especially Mewtwo)*, and a few major franchise players like Ridley, Dixie, and K. Rool. With that limited legitimate and big name Nintendo characters left, why not at least consider a few more 3rd party characters=??? I mean, there's a ton of interesting 3rd party characters. TONS!!!

And it's not just Mega Man, and Pac-Man, but characters like Bayonetta, Simon Belmont, Rayman, Professor Layton, Phoenix Wright, Bomberman, Lloyd Irving, *insert an Assassin's Creed character here*, *insert a few characters from other fighting games here*, Maxwell (Scribblenauts), etc. etc. etc... and that's not even counting Rare-owned characters (which would be great for Smash 6!)

Now, I'm not saying add like 5 million new 3rd party characters, but c'mon... at least consider about 3 (and add at least 1 more on top of Sonic and Snake).

 

[Diddy Kong]

If it was for me:

Yoshimitsu
Simon Belmont
Amaterasu
Banjo-Kazooie
Conker

For starters

Fixed for what I agree with.

 

[Johnknight1]

It doesn't matter if Pac-man is some sort of historic figure, being known does not automatically mean inclusion. Pac-man might of been a thing during the 80's, but the character is pretty washed up these days. People clamor that they will care about Pac-man due to his iconic status, but in reality nobody is really going to care that much about Pac-man, because they are more talking about the legacy with the game Pac-man not the character. People in general don't care much about the character Pac-man, and it shows.

He makes varies appearances in different media, but it's usually received as lukewarm at best. Pac-man and Ms. Pac-man are the most notable titles, while everything else is pretty forgettable.

Being well-known does help; after all, we got Diddy Kong instead of say Funky Kong.

As for Pac-Man, he's proven to draw eyes. Pac-Man Arcade on various consoles has sold very well, he's now getting a TV show for kids on Disney (which will make him popular with a new generation of people), and if you were to show a picture of him to a bunch of random people, they would probably recognize Pac-Man about as often as they recognize Mario, Jesus, and President Lincoln.

 

[Big-Cat]

Is Sakurai objective.

HM.


Also are people really going to cling to a passing joke Miyamoto made. Really.

And to make things worse, I don't think there's really anything that truly stands out for Pac-Man these days. Again, the fact that they had to resort to him being in a Mokujin mech to work in SFxTK, should tell you that he wouldn't bring anything new.

 

[Oasis_S]

Being well-known does help; after all, we got Diddy Kong instead of say Funky Kong.

UGH JOHN.

 

[Deleted member]

He isn't; they just have the exclusive (or near-exclusive) rights to Dragon Ball-media games.

Also, he's a manga character, so he's got no chance.

Namco-Bandai not only have the rights, they have developed every Dragon Ball series game aside from the first game for a cassette system. Or at least Bandai did anyway, since that was long before the merge.
People claim Spike and Dimps among other companies as the developers, but I have yet to see legitimate proof of this. In every case I have seen for various games, they have all said "Developed by Bandai" or "Developed by NAMCO BANDAI GAMES Inc.".

As for being a manga character, Sakurai only claimed that those type of characters would not be in Brawl. He said nothing for this game.
He said the same thing towards non-Nintendo characters in Melee on the old poll he did, yet Brawl was another story.
Therefore, Goku cannot be discounted as a viable option until something is said.

Again, the fact that they had to resort to him being in a Mokujin mech to work in SFxTK, should tell you that he wouldn't bring anything new.

Just like how the fact they had to resort to using a fat version of Bad Box Art Mega Man for Mega Man to work should tell us that Mega Man is nothing special.
Welp, no Mega Man for Smash, then.

 

[Banjodorf]

How did Sakurai seem reluctant to 3rd party characters more so than 1st or 2nd party characters=???

I mean with so few legitimate 1st/2nd party choices left that many people care about. Basically all you got is just a few lead characters of small 1st/2nd party franchises new and old (some of who may be "WTF?" characters), *insert some Pokémon here (especially Mewtwo)*, and a few major franchise players like Ridley, Dixie, and K. Rool. With that limited legitimate and big name Nintendo characters left, why not at least consider a few more 3rd party characters=??? I mean, there's a ton of interesting 3rd party characters. TONS!!!

And it's not just Mega Man, and Pac-Man, but characters like Bayonetta, Simon Belmont, Rayman, Professor Layton, Phoenix Wright, Bomberman, Lloyd Irving, *insert an Assassin's Creed character here*, *insert a few characters from other fighting games here*, Maxwell (Scribblenauts), etc. etc. etc... and that's not even counting Rare-owned characters (which would be great for Smash 6!)

Now, I'm not saying add like 5 million new 3rd party characters, but c'mon... at least consider about 3 (and add at least 1 more on top of Sonic and Snake).

Well, in an article about the Tekken staff wanting to addd a character, it was said that Sakurai wasn't really sold on the idea and wanted to really think about third party additions because of how much it takes to add them. That's all I really mean and I wish I could find the article.

However, I'd love Simon Belmont and Maxwell and Layton and Bomberman and Mega Man. If we could have all of those, I'd do unsightly things to my pants as long as we get K. Rool and Takamaru as well.

I've got no problem with them, but yeah. I just don't expect so many.

 

[Curious Villager]

Layton and MegaMan are the only 3rd parties that interest me at this point.

Pretty much this for me. The only third parties who would actually properly excite me would be Professor Layton and Megaman. But like Peacock said. Laytons chances aren't that good even if he has creator's interest. His demand just isn't big enough sadly. :/

 

[Autumn ♫]

If Goku/Kakarot actually made it into SSB4, my life would be complete

 

[Moon Monkey]

Of course nothing really stands out for Pac-man these days.
Hence the new TV Show, the Redesign and the New Game

Namco is attempting to make him relevant in the minds of today's generation. They trying to make him a character that these kids grow up with. We don't even know if he now talks, makes cheesy jokes, talks with an accent or all of the above. Namco is trying to reboot Pac-man so that kids of today will actually give 2 to 3 $h!ts about him.

I'm really not going to write Pac-man based off of his dwindling fame. I'm gonna wait until i actually see him in action before I form some sort of opinion on this new Pac-man

 

[Oasis_S]

As for being a manga character, Sakurai only claimed that those type of characters would not be in Brawl. He said nothing for this game.
He said the same thing towards non-Nintendo characters in Melee on the old poll he did, yet Brawl was another story.
Therefore, Goku cannot be discounted as a viable option until something is said.

James Bond confirmed.

I mean, listen to yourself. Wow.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Pretty much this for me. The only third parties who would actually properly excite me would be Professor Layton and Megaman. But like Peacock said. Laytons chances aren't that good even if he has creator's interest. His demand just isn't big enough sadly. :/

Still better then Phoenix Wright's chances. I seriously don't understand why people want him in fighters

 

[FlareHabanero]

Also, people do exaggerate the "well-known" trump card. It's not exactly the end all decision for inclusion, because let's face it a lot of people aren't even familiar with half of the cast in the Super Smash Bros. games. Hell, Roy should **** all over that notion by default due to the character literally debuting in Super Smash Bros.

 

[Curious Villager]

Still better then Phoenix Wright's chances. I seriously don't understand why people want him in fighters

I guess. Who? Phoenix or Layton?

 

[8-peacock-8]

I guess. Who? Phoenix or Layton?

Phoenix

 

[Diddy Kong]

Goku is discounted cause Sakurai said so before Brawl.

 

[Curious Villager]

Phoenix

Ah of course, silly me.

 

[Deleted member]

James Bond confirmed.

I mean, listen to yourself. Wow.

Nowhere did I say that Goku was confirmed. Just that he cannot be counted out just yet.
So really, follow your own advice.

James Bond as a retort doesn't really work either.
If Rare had not been sold to Microsoft, James Bond could have easily been a contender for Melee. He was tied for 6th place on Sakurai's pre-Melee poll with Mewtwo (and unlike characters like Mega Man and Sonic, he was treated as a pseudo-Nintendo character like the other Rare characters), and the Motion Sensor Bomb design from the original Smash as well as the American and European release of Melee was FROM Goldeneye.

 

[Deleted member]

Goku is discounted cause Sakurai said so before Brawl.

Snake and Sonic are discounted because Sakurai said so before Melee.

See how that logic falters?

 

[8-peacock-8]

I would honestly NOT be surprised if Goku got in. I would probably be pissed off about it for a while though.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Snake and Sonic are discounted because Sakurai said so before Melee.

See how that logic falters?

Did Sakurai ever state he won't ever add 3rd party characters? Then again, I think the jump between characters as Sonic and Goku is pretty damn big.

 

[Oasis_S]

Oh my goodness, just because you get the rights to something doesn't mean you get to do whatever you want with it.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Don't panic Oasis, Golden is just drunk again. He should be sober after several hours.

 

[Frostwraith]

Hey look, we're on topic and arguing! Both sides of the argument are wrong too! Yay...

I don't believe that Goku will appear in a Smash Bros. game ever, but 1 x 10^-999 is still bigger than 0.

 

[Banjodorf]

Like I said yesterday: I wouldn't really mind Goku, I'd just worry about what it'd mean for Smash.,,

However, I'm so hype right now I'd really take anything as long as my Nintendo favorites get in. But Mega Man is just so...necessary.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Anyway, i know one of my friends in real life would be happy to see Goku. She's a DBZ fangirl and all.

But thats the only person i know who would be legitimately happy with Goku beside animu fanboy/girls.

 

[FalKoopa]

Meh, I'm not a fan of Goku.

If he does appear, SmashBoards should appoint a group of hackers to remove him.

@Goku fans
Please don't hurt me.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Why are people actually debating on Goku?

Do you want this game to become Super ****ing Inconsistent M.U.G.E.N: Smash Edition?"

How much more we still need to stray away from this game being a NINTENDO CROSSOVER?

 

[Frostwraith]

I think Goku has no place in Smash, since it's mainly about video game characters, specifically Nintendo games. A few third parties don't hurt, but they aren't necessary either.

But, despite that, I can't claim any certainty of it. When it comes to what will happen in this game, nothing could be more uncertain.

Namco Bandai developing the game doesn't imply Namco characters nor DBZ characters, but that doesn't make it impossible.

Now, Sakurai said there won't be manga/anime characters, but even so, there's the possibility (no matter how slim) of him changing his mind for whatever reason he sees viable. And what is viable for him may or may not be according to our wishes.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Why are people actually debating on Goku?

Do you want this game to become Super ****ing Inconsistent M.U.G.E.N: Smash Edition?"

How much we need to stray away from this game being a NINTENDO CROSSOVER?

Who's defending him besides Golden?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Who's defending him besides Golden?

BluePikmin11

 

[Autumn ♫]

Now while I will be the happiest person alive if Goku gets in, I don't think his chances are very likely at all.

 

[Banjodorf]

Who's defending him besides Golden?

I'm not really sure, but I really wouldn't mind him that much. Not that I mean to contend anything. Word.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

I am really surprised about how people are kind of warm to the idea of Goku being in. I love the character Goku, and if he was in, I wouldn't raise a stink about it, but I cannot say that I feel that he has much of a place. And his inclusion would be so needless, we have plenty of Nintendo and third party characters to choose from. I'm not making any declarative statements about whether he is going to be in or out, but still..

I'm also still surprised that people are not so warm to the idea of Pacman. What, he isn't that relevant today? I didn't know that means he can't be in Smash. I also didn't know that if he was put in one fighting game in a mech that he somehow has no potential for moves at all either. I also don't find his new design creepy..

Is Sakurai objective.

No, but statements of subjective value are still subjective. Whether Sakurai is somehow "objective" has no bearing on that.

I had Lloyd's chances at 4% at the best. Yes, I used SCIENCEEEEE to reach that number.

Whenever I read people drag out the silent e in a word my brain isn't unsure whether to read it as just "Science" or read, "Science-eeeeeeeee!"

Still waiting for an actual Paper Mario game for about 8 years. Super Paper Mario was fun, but it wasn't an all-out Paper Mario game, and from what I've seen and heard about Sticker Star, that game is a gigantic letdown, and is totally bland.

I keep forgetting that I have Sticker Star...

People are surprisingly easy to seduce online.

Hey bby how u doin hmu

 

[Frostwraith]

Goku's inclusion would deviate a lot from Smash Bros.'s intention? Hell yes.
Would it be the end of the world? No, but I would understand eventual criticism against his inclusion.

 

[8-peacock-8]

LAPD and Ghost (CoD) should totally get in now. Herp derp

 

[Deleted member]

Did Sakurai ever state he won't ever add 3rd party characters? Then again, I think the jump between characters as Sonic and Goku is pretty damn big.

No, and Sakurai never said he wouldn't ever add manga characters.
I had pointed this out multiple times before.

What he literally said in response to messages regarding guests was "There will not be manga characters." Like other things, people misinterpreted this as something else, specifically "a guest must have originated in a video game".


He said the same thing in regards to non-Nintendo characters when he made his pre-Melee poll, in that they were ineligible for inclusion. (And yet people voted for a few anyway.)

Don't panic Oasis, Golden is just drunk again. He should be sober after several hours.

Because apparently, I have to be drunk to say things you don't agree with.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Really I don't know why Goku would be even considered to begin with. I don't know what would Sakurai even think if that'd really happen. He'd surely know the chaotic consequences from adding Goku, and that is Smash Bros becoming just beyond inconsistent and opening way for all kinds of characters we human beings can think of. I mean, he's already feeling bit uncertain and strict on adding 3rd parties.

No really, I bet he'd get pretty dang annoyed if all kinds of fellows would be requested as 3rd parties, along with Smash Bros just becoming something near a multiplayer platformer fighter aking to M.U.G.E.N for most people.

 

[Deleted member]

Who's defending him besides Golden?

I'm not defending Goku the character.
I'm defending that the concept of Goku in Smash is a legitimate possibility despite what people tend to claim using misinterpretations.

Do I think he will be in? No. Pac-Man is the only Namco character at this point I feel is a strong probability. (Sorry Tales fanboys.)

However, going by Oasis' comments on how NB shouldn't get a character because no one cared about them until they were revealed to be working on Smash 4, and that none of them "have anything to offer" (which is false in itself), the only character that could come from their development by his standards would be Goku, given that he's actually someone people care about in regards to Smash even prior to Smash 4 (even if it's just the rabid fanboys, though unlike Geno's, they really do have strength in numbers) and that given his skillset, he's got quite a bit to offer.

So long story short: Is Goku a possibility? Yes. Is Goku a probability? No.

 

[8-peacock-8]

I'm not defending Goku the character.
I'm defending that the concept of Goku in Smash is a legitimate possibility despite what people tend to claim using misinterpretations.

Do I think he will be in? No. Pac-Man is the only Namco character at this point I feel is a strong probability. (Sorry Tales fanboys.)

However, going by Oasis' comments on how NB shouldn't get a character because no one cared about them until they were revealed to be working on Smash 4, and that none of them "have anything to offer" (which is false in itself), the only character that could come from their development by his standards would be Goku, given that he's actually someone people care about in regards to Smash even prior to Smash 4 (even if it's just the rabid fanboys, though unlike Geno's, they really do have strength in numbers) and that given his skillset, he's got quite a bit to offer.

So long story short: Is Goku a possibility? Yes. Is Goku a probability? No.

Ah i see.