Super Smash Bros 4 (Wii U/3DS) Topic

[Baskerville]

it's strange how i don't view the few mods i regularly speak to as mods... don't hurt me.

They are actually clones.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

You don't win mafia by playing honorably.

EXCEPT YOU DON'T ACTUALLY PLAY MAFIA WITH US!

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Of course Neon doesn't play Mafia, Holder.

It's because she is Mafia.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Hoots]

What the hell is Mafia?

Also, does anyone know anything about Sakurai's alleged keynote speech at the 2012 CEDEC?

It's the one where he allegedly said that there would be "many new characters." I can't find any real source on that. Does anyone have anything beyond this link?

http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2012/...os-4-regarding-new-characters-and-techniques/

 

[augustoflores]

maybe you should join my and Disfunk's joint mafia... well, when the social group comes back around.

there will be *`~aaaarrrrttttt~`*

 

[Holder of the Heel]

What the hell is Mafia?

When our group comes back, go see Disfunk and you can find out.

Edit: I HATE YOU GUS I HATE YOU

 

[augustoflores]

thanks, we won't make you mafia now

 

[N3ON]

Also, does anyone know anything about Sakurai's alleged keynote speech at the 2012 CEDEC?

It's the one where he allegedly said that there would be "many new characters." I can't find any real source on that. Does anyone have anything beyond this link?

http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2012/...os-4-regarding-new-characters-and-techniques/

All I've got is the Japanese article.

thanks, we won't make you mafia now

He wouldn't know what to do anyway.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

thanks, we won't make you mafia now

 

[Baskerville]

I was never interested in Mafia honestly.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

You know what I don't like about the 11th doctor?

To me, he sounds condescending. He's all smiles and laughs, but it's more like he views himself like a father and everyone else are nothing but children to him.

He even has this "baby speak" he says to people.


Edit: Maybe the reason there has been no Hedorah figure in the SH Monsterarts line is because he's from the Showa era, as opposed to the Heisei series. AND they haven't made a figure of a Heisei monster until just recently with 1964 Godzilla

For some bizarre reason I always thought Hedorah was from the Heisei series

The Showa era had most of the well known Godzilla monsters such as Anguiras, Megalon, introducing Mothra and King Ghidorah,

 

[Fastblade5035]

I don't know if this has been discussed already, but THAT SPEAR IS BUGGING ME TO NO END!
^^^
I really hope I'm not forgetting something here, but NO character so far has a spear, so...
And it's clearly a spear, you can see the tip and the wrapping around it. Because of the height it's at, I'd usually say it's Bandana Dee, but I think it looks too 'realistic'.. like Brawl, if you will, for someone like Waddle Dee who would be chilling with the cartoony, somewhat simple Kirby and Dedede.
I hope this isn't another Ganondorf Energy Ball fiasco for the 2 of you who remember.

 

[Wario Bros.]

You sure you're not talking about Zelda's hair? Other than that I don't see a spear (unless you're trolling).

 

[N3ON]

Yeah if you're talking about the thing behind Zelda on the left that's her hair.

 

[Big-Cat]

And we don't need MORE crap about possible character/AT reveals in screenshots.

I swear, Zelda's holding the Triforce of Discord.

 

[Arcadenik]

Yeah if you're talking about the thing behind Zelda on the left that's her hair.

This! When you look closely, you can see the hair leading down past her arms to where the "spear" is at... so, yeah, I can see why some people could mistake that for a spear.

By the way, Waddle Dee's spear has a red bandanna tied to it... I don't see a red bandanna anywhere on the picture, do you?

 

[Holder of the Heel]

No I'm pretty sure that's Ridley's tail.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I saw Ridley in Zelda's hair

Ridley confirmed for replacing Sheik

 

[Moon Monkey]

It's definitely Zelda's hear. Besides, Zelda never used a spear in any game, iirc.

The only Zelda character that should be wielding a polearm is Ganondorf.

 

[Fastblade5035]

I personally don't see the hair connection (It looks too long compared to the other braids and the wrapping is different) but meh. Sorry for the unnecessary excitement.

 

[Arcadenik]

Maybe that's Impa's arm!! She is a twig!

 

[N3ON]

I personally don't see the hair connection (It looks too long compared to the other braids and the wrapping is different) but meh. Sorry for the unnecessary excitement.

Well it is different in length and wrapping than the side braids, but it's her hair, the wrapping on her ponytail braid is the same.

 

[Fastblade5035]

Well it is different in length and wrapping than the side braids, but it's her hair, the wrapping on her ponytail braid is the same.

That comparison to the Official Art just cleared everything up.
Thanks! I feel stupid now.

 

[meleemaster500]

FUN FACT:
all the charcter updates have been ordered so that when placed below the daily picture, they're asthetically pleasing with new character updates. IE returning characters come in multiples of 3 before they'll announce a new character who's banner takes the place of 3 returning characters.*

===== HENCE, either the next character update is a new character, or it will be after 3 more returning characters, or very unlikely, after 6 more from now =====

also. here's the gap of days in between character updates if anyone wants to know

peach -sep 12
-13 days
TLink -sep 26
-5 days
sonic- oct 1
-37 days
marth -nov 7
-41 days
NEW rosalina -dec 18
-8 days
zelda -dec 26
-14 days
dedede -jan 9

with the exception of marth, returning characters have had much less time in between their updates (< 15 days) than a new character (only rosalina atm) has had after a returning character announcement.

it should be noted that sakurai both prepared a video to show off rosalina before she was introduced (requiring some work for sure) and that he timed the announcement with the prominent december nintendo direct presentation. Both of these were likely influences on the time to announce a new character



*(the bottom of the page has 2 returning characters, simply because there wasnt a multiple of 3 returning characters announced along with the initial new 3)

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Technically, the Character Discussion Thread is to discuss soley characters, the MiiVerse thread is to discuss aspects of the Pic of the Day, and this thread is to discuss aspects of the Wii U version such as stages and items as well as characters.


But naturally **** happens and the threads spill into each other. It's not surprising that what you find in one thread is most likely happening in the other. Combining them together would just spell disaster for mankind.

 

[Big-Cat]

I'm gonna repost my Phantom Knight theory over here for you guys to see. This is under the assumption that it's her new Down B.

Using Down B, Zelda summons a Phantom Knight to her side. Doing Down B again and holding B will allow the Phantom Knight to move. Like possibly Luma with Rosalina, you may be able to keep Zelda stationary by using the down-forward and down-back inputs so the Phantom Knight can move on its own. By releasing B, we have Smash's first ever instance of Negative Edge. Zelda will order the Phantom Knight to strike.

The above theory would explain why Zelda does that same pose in one screenshot with it and without it in another - the Phantom Knight is simply off screen. Meanwhile, the AT summoning pose and this one are very different in body position. While it is possible that the pose may have been redone. Nothing necessarily suggests one way or the other.

As for an additional theory, Din's Fire has been revamped to where the fireball (or possibly more) do not explode automatically. Rather, you set it/them and trigger their explosion using her side taunt which just so happens to feature a fireball in her hands.

These two theories would allow Zelda to have that much needed zoning capability she has been so desperately needs with some influences from Carl Clover and Mu-12 of BlazBlue fame - because Rosalina is totally a Smash version of Guilty Gear's Eddie.

Holy Shinto! What if Zelda's Jojo pose is her controlling the Phantom Knight?! Look at the pose and then then the pose with the PN striking:

Judging by the pictures, it would be easy for Zelda to transition from those two poses seamlessly.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I'm certain he's an AT

 

[Thunderfang747]

I'm gonna repost my Phantom Knight theory over here for you guys to see. This is under the assumption that it's her new Down B.

Using Down B, Zelda summons a Phantom Knight to her side. Doing Down B again and holding B will allow the Phantom Knight to move. Like possibly Luma with Rosalina, you may be able to keep Zelda stationary by using the down-forward and down-back inputs so the Phantom Knight can move on its own. By releasing B, we have Smash's first ever instance of Negative Edge. Zelda will order the Phantom Knight to strike.

The above theory would explain why Zelda does that same pose in one screenshot with it and without it in another - the Phantom Knight is simply off screen. Meanwhile, the AT summoning pose and this one are very different in body position. While it is possible that the pose may have been redone. Nothing necessarily suggests one way or the other.

As for an additional theory, Din's Fire has been revamped to where the fireball (or possibly more) do not explode automatically. Rather, you set it/them and trigger their explosion using her side taunt which just so happens to feature a fireball in her hands.

These two theories would allow Zelda to have that much needed zoning capability she has been so desperately needs with some influences from Carl Clover and Mu-12 of BlazBlue fame - because Rosalina is totally a Smash version of Guilty Gear's Eddie.

Holy Shinto! What if Zelda's Jojo pose is her controlling the Phantom Knight?! Look at the pose and then then the pose with the PN striking:

Judging by the pictures, it would be easy for Zelda to transition from those two poses seamlessly.

I really like this theory. Zelda has always been overshadowed by the superior Shiek and making her more of her own character with some unique new tools and zoning capabilities could be just what Zelda needs to really be a threat. If they do go this route, hopefully Shiek either becomes her own character as well or is replaced by a similar type of character (Impa or what have you), to keep people that like her playstyle happy too.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I'm going to stop visiting the Roster Prediction Thread from now on, it's getting too chaotic even for my tastes. Not to mention there isn't anything to discuss.

 

[Big-Cat]

I'm certain he's an AT

Like I said, it's only a theory under the assumption it's a new move. Instead of trying to debate it's an AT or not, I'm trying to look for what would make the PN a possible move. We've seen several comparisons to support the AT theory and those are very iffy. There aren't many that are trying to support the new move theory.

 

[Thunderfang747]

I in general have questioned the assist trophy theory for a couple of reasons. First off, the way it was presented feels off to me. The point of each character page is to really highlight the character shown and give them the center stage. This pic is odd simply because, as many have stated, she is in the exact same pose as another picture (Link and Peach on galaxy stage.) Kind of a waste to have two pics of her doing the same exact pose imo. Not only this, but if that really is an assist trophy it takes the spotlight away from Zelda in her own picture and gives it to the phantom. On the other hand, every other assist trophy (starfy, skull kid, and nintendog) have had their own pics of the day and Sakurai, to avoid confusion or false hope, has made it very clear that they are assist trophies. We got nothing on this picture other than our own speculation. I can see why Sakurai would want to seperate the two characters anyway. The transformation gimmick feels more or less pointless for the most part. Nine times out of ten you will have a Zelda main or a Shiek main period. There are a few exceptions of course, but generally speaking people stick with one or the other. I feel like Pokemon Trainer's gimmicks (fatigue, forced switching upon KO, etc.) may be simply to avoid pure Squirtle, Ivysaur, or Charizard mains which would have inevitably happened just like with Zelda/Shiek. Not saying it isn't an assist trophy, but I really feel like we shouldn't count our chickens before they hatch.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

How about we just wait until we get a confirmation?

No? Okay.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

It would both awesome yet trollish that if Sakurai had Ridley in every screenshot that didn't showcase four visible characters.

Just taking delight in knowing something we don't know. It would be like spitting in someones sandwich and watching them eat in...less disgusting though.

 

[Thunderfang747]

How about we just wait until we get a confirmation?

No? Okay.

You're right sorry. I wanted to provide some evidence for the other side, but I think I came off as a little arrogant there. We really don't know either way until Sakurai says something.

 

[Baskerville]

How about we just wait until we get a confirmation?

No? Okay.

You see, this would be the easy thing to do.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

We can like posts in PMs now.

Neat!

 

[Kamikazek]

It would both awesome yet trollish that if Sakurai had Ridley in every screenshot that didn't showcase four visible characters.

Just taking delight in knowing something we don't know. It would be like spitting in someones sandwich and watching them eat in...less disgusting though.

Only if after Ridley is revealed he releases zoomed out versions of all the pictures that show Ridley doing random wacky antics in the background, all with a caption that just says *laughs*.

 

[FalKoopa]

We can like posts in PMs now.

Neat!

Especially if you're MorbidAltruism.

I think it was a little unnecessary.

 

[Baskerville]

A "little" unnecessary?

 

[Wario Bros.]

Still very curious how exactly you'll be controlling both of them together.