Super Mario RPG Mafia: Hilt lynched, Town wins!

[Pierce7d]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, lemme get this straight . . .

You (Rajam) thinks T-Block is scum for suspecting you?!

Yeah, I'm in favor of a claim here so we can decide what to do with this case and move onto the next one. I've heard enough, LOL.

Not to say I want less talk. By all means Rajam, keep talking. Who else do you think is scum?

 

[Krystedez]

It wasn't supposed to blow over but make other players think before we possibly endanger ourselves. If you or anyone else actually have something specific to comment about my pressure or my logic, please do so.

 

[Pierce7d]

Reasonable explanation? I've said several times there isn't. just RVS trollin, obvious dumb ideas, random votes. Distracting? that was so obviously non-serious that whoever got distracted by it is a noob.

Healthy pressure was expected, but also it would give scum the perfect excuse of "easy lynch", for whoever got into that too much and didn't let go. You're doing that. Hence you're scum.

So you're saying you ARE using it as a strategy . . .

Wanna contradict yourself some more?

 

[Rajam]

@Rajam: What are your thoughts on Pierce, Krystedez, Omni and Chibo?

Most of us were distracted by it exactly because it was obviously non-serious =P

Wait, wait, wait, wait, lemme get this straight . . .

You (Rajam) thinks T-Block is scum for suspecting you?!

Yeah, I'm in favor of a claim here so we can decide what to do with this case and move onto the next one. I've heard enough, LOL.

Not to say I want less talk. By all means Rajam, keep talking. Who else do you think is scum?

Can't tell if you guys are just tunneling for the most superficial thing ever (RVS play) or are scum not letting this dumb issue go. Wary of possible ninjas into my wagon, but I've yet to track them.

Pierce = scummy
Krystedez = null. scum if the Day ends with him not doing anything
Omni = null
Chibo = null

I've yet to find a strong (or even slight) town read. I have none still.

Yes, I'm suspecting T-block because he is still bringing the RVS thing, as well as Pierce

Not claiming. Although maybe I actually left some breadcrumbs into RVS?

inb4 "Rajam is distracting" and mafia going back to look for my bcrumbs

I trust smart town won't start digging into what won't help in finding scum. I left some slight bcrumbs of my character and how my ability works in RVS, but it will mostly be impossible to decypher those without me explaining. Just forget RVS, you'll hardly find anything. Top suspects? As far as page 7 goes and these last exchanges, my top scum picks would be T-block and Pierce because of this insistence on the most superficial thing ever (common guys... RVS really??), Raziek for being so hasty in defending players instead of letting pressure do its work, and Zac for being inactive-but-not-absolute-inactive.
Everyone else is pretty much null; I've yet have to find something "strong" in terms of something indicating someone as pretty much town or scum. There're a lot of posts for sure but most of them don't give much info in terms of players' possible alliance.

Still catching up btw. Page 7 and a half.

 

[Rajam]

Omni trust me, scum even when well collaberated does not dictate every single post people make, I've learned this from being scum everyone is on there own in terms of content all that is said is making small comments when people make dumb posts. I could understand at this point if his partners were to say, stop posting like this, but I doubt it. He's making it very clear this is how he plays and I do not feel as if his scummates could really force or make approvals for the posts he makes.

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I couldn't explain it Shaya, he seems to be trying to play on my game but he can't Counter claim, because only I can be godbecca kicking it in the front seat. He's probably just trying to be like me with this, but not sure what he is trying to get at.

I don't like his earlier play and some recent which is why I'm fine with putting him at L-2, however I'm still considering the other players which are also leading me to bad situation. But this is a good situation to help elevate me from thinking he is not one of the friends on my left.

Unvote
Vote: Rajam

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Pierce, reread my comment to Raziek, it still is, you gotta do what ya gotta do, and in this case I gotta. Which is Partyin' with mai friends.

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Pado, if Rajam doesn't pan out, can you self vote for yourself, it would make things easier for me in the long run and the rest of town.

If you can't see the messages I am saying, you can kick it in the back seat while everyone who can see what I am saying can kick it in the front seat.

You should stop with this while your ahead, your not doing town any favors and if your not lynched should be vig target #1.

For example if I get lynched toDay with this vote on my wagon, RR would clearly be a ninja then

 

[Pierce7d]

So, as opposed to real scum hunting (which you've had plenty of time to do), you're deciding on your top two scum picks by way of OMGUS?

Then you target Raz, who is arguably one of the most pro-town players so far.

At least you hit Zac, who is more null than anything right now due to inactivity, but inactivity is anti-town behavior.

Who do you have as Raz' top pick for a scum buddy? As in, who do you think is most likely to be Mafia if Raz flips Mafia and why? If he's defending someone, he must have a reason. Let's see if I can find an actually useful train of thought in here. It's probably better not to let Raz go TOO investigated anyway.

 

[Rajam]

I don't know how much I buy a posting restriction due to several of Rajam's posts being absolutely normal, but here I'll make this easy:

Rajam, perhaps you can't confirm or deny if you have a posting restriction.
But I'm sure you can confirm or deny if the pizza you ordered has a toppings limit.
Does your pizza have a toppings limit, Rajam?

I don't have one.

what

 

[Pierce7d]

Well, I haven't changed my mind about Rajam at all over his last couple of posts. I'm down for him to claim, and then a lynch whenever the rest of town is ready.

He does have the point that we shouldn't waste too much time focusing only on his RVS shenanigans. Let me start building my case on Krys

 

[Pierce7d]

My preferred scummates are Chbo and Zigsta. To answer Omni's question.

:king:

Wait, I'm going to get to my Krys case, but when I went back for my reread, I saw this smack right into my face. Obviously I didn't look into it much at the town, but now that we have more to go on for each player, I wanna look into this further.

What are your reasons for these picks? They seem a bit random. Chibo, while experienced, is notorious for getting lynched early and appearing scummy (though not this game, which scares me even more). I think this is Zigsta's first game. Mind explaining why you're selecting these two for your scummate picks?

 

[CT Chia]

Rajam, you're taking RVS too literal. The purpose of it as such is to get reactions. You literally did just random stuff for no reason, not helping at all, switching votes with reason (or even joke with it like people enjoy to do). Ideally there's no RVS, it's just something to do until there is content. And even in the midst of legit discussion you still just did w/e.

You weren't really joking around, or at least I missed the part where I was supposed to laugh, and just shrugging it off as rvs and nothing more is just such a terrible excuse, that it's either a run of the mill excuse of scum trying to get out of pressure, or playing such awful town game (which I wouldn't expect you to do) that it doesn't matter too much if we were to lose you today.

Pushing Rajam to a claim now would be good imo so we can see if he actually has any worth.

Also I'm surprised that your harping so much on said question, especially since you asked it during what I thought was your RVS phase.

Either way, my scum tactic is one I picked up from Xiivi, or at least he was the one who talked to me about it. Basically, forget your scum. Imagine your just town, and play as such. Forget your scummates, forget your role, etc. Play naturally.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Catching up from my last post to whatever's current. Going to respond to things as I go. If I end up multiposting, I apologize.

anyway, Hilt, what are your thoughts on Shaya?

I'll get back to you on this.

@Hilt, you have an issue with Rajam claiming? Why?

Because the day phase just started. Let it progress more. When the day's about 1/2 or 2/3 through, then we can get a claim from him. I'd rather see people's opinions on Rajam as a player first, as when a player claims, the others tend to focus a lot whether or not they believe his claim. Let's save that for later. The day just began.

If you've done a proper read of the game thus far, I would find it odd that you believe there is any other alternative.

any other alternative to what? Rajam claiming two days into D1? Because a good alternative to that would be... maybe claiming later in the day?

Would you want to go into day 2 after what he's posted thus far without knowing 'why'?

what

It's early in day one, but I'm pushing for efficiency. He's a likely lynch for today, but he isn't going to be lynched this early.

Likely? Seems like you feel he's the only option.

Pierce's "want me to hammer" is very awkward

About as awkward as pushing for a claim two days into D1.

 

[Pierce7d]

Well, Hilt. I am not scum, but I do want Rajam to claim. Mind you, only name claim (not roleclaim, because Mafia can use that info more than us by far). I am not objecting to it possibly being better for him to claim later in the day, but I do think we are awfully distracted by the Rajam issue right now.

 

[CT Chia]

I still disagree with the name only claim. It can be misleading on day 1 (without no concrete knowledge of the roles alignment barring our own), and the role can also help validate said name claim.

 

[T-block]

@Chibo: Are you still of the opinion we should full claim or no claim? I said in response to you last time that a name claim could be useful since this game is likely aligned with the flavour, and a name claim is a way to gain information and clear up confusion without outing roles to scum. Anything in response to that?

@Pierce: You said earlier that "full claim or no claim" is scummy. Can you elaborate after Chibo answers?

@Hilt: The reason why I'm supporting a name claim now is that in BBR games we are notorious for failing to lynch. I used to think the same thing, but think about it this way: do you really expect Rajam to be able to say anything to clear all this suspicion off of him, or do you expect him to claim by the end of the day anyways? If the latter, an earlier claim gives us more time to discuss and calmly decide what to do, instead of having someone claim cop or something twelve hours before the deadline, and then scrambling for a lynch. Also, I read a game in DGames, and I'm in a DGames game now, and it seems like earlier claims aren't always a bad idea.

 

[T-block]

Ninja'd =x

 

[Pierce7d]

Okay Hilt, I had a post which answers your question, but fortunately you ninjaed me so I'll hold off until Chibo replies as requested. Thank you auto-feed.

 

[Pierce7d]

EBWOP

I said Hilt, I meant T-Block

 

[T-block]

@Chibo: Are you against name claim first, and then pursuing a role claim as a separate decision? It's not like we're saying "only name claim, no more"

 

[DtJ Hilt]

@Hilt:



Rajam is lethal scum, in the fact that he may very well have a really good role in the Mafia faction. I no longer think he's indy now that I've fact-checked myself and found out my real intepretation of the matter.

Still doesn't explain how you came up with the idea that he was a powerful member of the mafia. That state of mind came out of nowhere without much explanation. Unless I missed something.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Wait, I'm going to get to my Krys case, but when I went back for my reread, I saw this smack right into my face. Obviously I didn't look into it much at the town, but now that we have more to go on for each player, I wanna look into this further.

What are your reasons for these picks? They seem a bit random. Chibo, while experienced, is notorious for getting lynched early and appearing scummy (though not this game, which scares me even more). I think this is Zigsta's first game. Mind explaining why you're selecting these two for your scummate picks?

Sarcasm, that is all.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Rajam claim, someone put him at L-1 please, I am fully willing at this point to lynch him based on those past posts.

 

[Pierce7d]

To be honest, I'm fully willing to put him at L-1 after

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Also, Red Ryu, your picks were pretty unexplained (unless you did so in a later post that I overlooked). How could two random picks be considered sarcastic? Also, why be sarcastic if you have nothing to hide?

 

[Pierce7d]

@Chibo: Are you against name claim first, and then pursuing a role claim as a separate decision? It's not like we're saying "only name claim, no more"

Chibo, please answer this so I can make my next post.

 

[Krystedez]

...

He seemed powerful to me because his dropping of breadcrumbs all over the place, baits, and generally completely useless town play. I can think of a couple reasons someone factioned with mafia playing that horribly would not only want to create major WIFOM for town, but also wanted to be the lynch target; bomb/pseudo-jester/distraction.

I thought I made that clear with my recent posts, but I guess not. Unless you guys don't think this power is super good for day 1 for mafia/bad for town. Utilize RVS, play super scummy, make people WANT to off you, and boom. Town loses a member in the same turn, or worse.

I'm thinking of the worst here, okay? Maybe I'm being pessimistic, but ... I just feel like something terrible would happen if we offed Rajam without taking a clear look at everything offered to us. I especially don't want to lynch him not even a full week into Day 1 yet.

With recent posts, though, I'm guessing things will become more clear as we gain more insight from the players about the current situation.

 

[Pierce7d]

It wasn't supposed to blow over but make other players think before we possibly endanger ourselves. If you or anyone else actually have something specific to comment about my pressure or my logic, please do so.

What is this post in reference to?

 

[Krystedez]

I don't want to lynch him yet, because there's still plenty of things worth investigating. I'm getting more and more suspicious of Krystedez again. His last walls of posts did not blow over with me at all.

As if you were thinking I was trying to make my posts subtle. Unless you used the wrong choice. Did you mean "His last walls of posts did not make me pleased at all"?...

In either case, I found it odd that you threw that in the middle of your comments on the situation and then went on with the rest of your post like normal. Now you have to justify what you said, and go back and make a case out of my case. On Day 1. With clear lynch subjects in front of us to figure out.

Pursue this Pierce, I'm interested in your thoughts, while we wait for more catch up from Rajam.

 

[Pierce7d]

Oh, I understand what you meant now. I suppose it would have been more appropriate to say that your posts did not sit with me very well.

Also, I will certainly do just that. I simply didn't want to neglect the recent burst of activity this thread was seeing, and I want to answer T-Block's question towards me, but I'm not sure if he feels Chibo has sufficiently answered his question.

 

[T-block]

Yeah it's fine. Go ahead, Pierce.

 

[Pierce7d]

I still disagree with the name only claim. It can be misleading on day 1 (without no concrete knowledge of the roles alignment barring our own), and the role can also help validate said name claim.

It can only be misleading if we allow ourselves to be led astray without considering other things.

He could claim a blatantly town role though, like Mallow, and if he's not counter claimed, then it's a bit safer to assume he's actually town. That doesn't give away any power though, and doesn't give Mafia much more to work off of than they already had.

If he has to lie about his claim, it gives us more to work off of later, and gives us the opportunity to potentially catch him in a lie. Either way, town gets useful information, which we can potentially use to catch scum, and doesn't give scum much information about whether he's worth NKing or not if he actually is town (unless he claims like, Mario or something, in which case a Doctor will protect him if there's no counter claim)

Chance of catching scum in a lie while minimizing information given to scum = optimal. We can make him role claim later if need be.

Also, I agree with T-Block that it's probably fine to make him claim at this point. If he was scummy enough for us to accidentally reach L-1 (And I wasn't voting on him just because I was drilling RR at the time) then I think it's enough to call for a claim.

 

[Pierce7d]

Retrospectively after reading that post, if he claims Peach, we're totally ****ed, but he should've kept his mouth shut and drawn less attention to himself, and he didn't (how ironic )

 

[CT Chia]

@Chibo: Are you against name claim first, and then pursuing a role claim as a separate decision? It's not like we're saying "only name claim, no more"

I just feel that name claim only at once is tip toeing around an inevitable end. The name claim without other information means nothing. It's a more valid option on days 2 and higher since we have flips from d and n 1 to compare it to. None of us know as a group how the role characters are distributed into alignment. What kind of answer are you expecting to be ok and lead to you not wanting a full claim?

 

[Pierce7d]

Consider my previous post Chibo. There are 4 roles in this game which are inevitably town, and all have a 99% chance of being in the game. If Rajam is one of those roles, I'd rather him claim name first.

(Obviously, I'm referring to characters not named Bowser, who is probably town as well, but could feasibly be a pro-town independent or something.)

No matter which character he claims, it provides the chance of a townie counter-claiming if he's lying, and we reveal scum. The only way to make it a 0% chance of this happening is if he's telling the truth. Obviously we don't want to do this with every player, because it gives scum too much information, but we DO want to do it in the case of this really suspicious player. I don't want scum knowing his role if he is town.

If his name claim is quite odd, (Like Toadofsky or something) then yeah, we'll have him full claim probably. If he claims something like Mallow though, and no one CCs, then I don't want his role out in the air.

 

[Omni]

so? your point? If I've never done it before, then it isn't a tell of any sort as well

you've been town in every game i've played you in, Rajam

fyi i'll be posting less this weekend cuz i'm with my gf. easter sunday trip; been prepping for it today

i have a lot to say to more than just people than Rajam but first and foremost Rajam needs to claim and/or die

 

[Pierce7d]

@Everyone

How do you feel about the full claim vs. name claim issue?

 

[CT Chia]

I'm not particularly sold by your explanation Pierce, though I understand where you're coming from

 

[Omni]

wtf @ name claim

who cares? it's called safe claims. basically every mafia game has em so i wouldnt be surprised if mafia had em

 

[T-block]

Pretty much agreeing with what Pierce said. Also remember it's an OS game, which implies a certain power role distribution anyways.

Sometimes safe claims are pretty obscure, Omni.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Role with name, it's important so we can evaluate it.

 

[T-block]

For the record, I'm okay with a full claim from Rajam at the moment. I'm just arguing on principle really, not for this particular case.

 

[CT Chia]

Pierce, if you believe the main 4 are obv town and important and don't want to follow up after that, don't you think that would just make them a likely target at night? regardless someone who claims becomes potential night target, it's only going to help town get all the information and discuss.