Super Mario RPG Mafia: Hilt lynched, Town wins!

[Shaya]

"RVS"? Your stuff lasted a lot longer than the RVS.
You also stated in one of your posts something which I interpreted as "RVS was over by X post, and all my posts were after...".

 

[Rajam]

I've yet to read the last pages, but I'm sensing the main points against me would be:

- Bad RVS play
- Took longer to move out of RVS

...

? There's something actually scummy??

 

[Raziek]

Disappearing for a while and some dubious buddy-buddy with Red Ryu doesn't really help either. >.>

 

[CT Chia]

That last post of his feels scummy imo

 

[T-block]

This seems off as well, Rajam.

i'm not understanding Rajam at all. greatest troll of all? i don't know why he's playing the way he's playing but i can't think of a role restriction that would force him to act ******** yet he can follow up with very normal steady posts like his question towards me.

dude rajam u can die dude unless u wanna stop playing around. i am a huge fan of off'ing off useless players Day 1 even if the scent of scum is only faint. having your kind of play right now in the end game = major do not want.

more votes on Rajam people

Shouldn't it be Red Ryu instead of T-block?

No acknowledgement of what Omni said against you in the post right before, replaced by fake contribution in correcting a detail that is irrelevant. Then no post until this one, almost 200 posts later:

catching up



Super loaded statements. Within many possibilities, you just put one which fits your tastes the best. Didn't you consider more possibilties?

So, you also recognize your statements are weak and can change, nonetheless you still threw them out. Why did you throw these loaded statements and at the same time said they're weak? I can but only infer you're just throwing garbage around

 

[Krystedez]

Before I post again, let me just say this:

attention everyone

Zigsta will no longer be mafia-ing with us. I just got a pm from a friend of his saying that he has to let his forearms heal for approximately 2-6 weeks...

Mod: Replacement Requested for Zigsta

(Already PM'd OS the forwarded message about this so it should be taken care of hopefully)

 

[Krystedez]

Now for my actual post

If RR were to flip town, my sentiments about Rajam would not change, other than him being scum mates with RR.

If RR were to hammer Rajam, and Rajam ends up turning up Scum, I would release my idea that RR is scum partnered with Rajam.

If RR were to hammer Rajam and he flips TOWN, then I'd be all "What do?" until we get more info about his role and the flavor.

If RR were to flip scum after lynching him, Id leave and ignore Rajam for the rest of the game; don't vote for him, but watch him carefully the whole game, unless we find a real p-jester or weird role that would fit him (essentially a psuedo c-claim to what Rajam APPEARS to be)

I at the very least advise we do NOT hammer Rajam but let RR do so. Right now, RR and Rajam seem to be the most clear targets.

I'm not sure about the rest of the people in this game until more discussion takes place.

 

[Rajam]

What about that "super secret" boss in SMRPG, that is a FF-esque character? He was made specifically by Square for that game I believe. I could be wrong. I know he doesn't say Kupo. But... an underling might...

*shrugs* I don't know much about those creatures tho, and whether or not they'd serve some fantasy entity in a mario game... It's a possibility though.

 

[Omni]

And waiting for a good answer on: why are you doing this Rajam?

RVS. I have no other explanation.

i call bull****

you've never done this in any other games i've been in, Rajam.

 

[Overswarm]

TinMan will replace Zigsta. I can't guarantee that Zigsta replacing is legitimate at the moment so... read up TinMan. You'll get your role PM in a bit.

 

[Rajam]

Unvote
Vote: Pado

I'm perfectly fine with this.

EBWOP Ninja: Why the vote on Pado? I understand he's playing very much like he always does, but again, no reasoning?

Back up your votes, people.

...are you serious?

Try looking at his post without going, "wtf?" I'm getting rid of bad town/obvious scum, win-win imo.

You clearly haven't played with Pado before. He plays this way as both Town and Scum, it's not a tell for him. It's just how his thought process filters out.

It doesn't make him scum, and while filtering out "difficult to read" players isn't necessarily a bad thing, I'd rather we hunt ACTUAL scum.

Raziek why so hasty in defending Pado here? Shouldn't you wait for Pado to react first?

 

[Rajam]

i call bull****

you've never done this in any other games i've been in, Rajam.

so? your point? If I've never done it before, then it isn't a tell of any sort as well

 

[CT Chia]

If you've never done it before, why start now?

 

[T-block]

Not liking Krystedez at the moment...

If RR were to hammer Rajam, and Rajam ends up turning up Scum, I would release my idea that RR is scum partnered with Rajam.

If this was in response to my question, Krystedez, note that my question only asked what if RR flipped town.

Why would you say this? Now that you have made this post, does your conclusion still apply? Assuming RR and Rajam are both scum, if you were to ask RR to hammer Rajam, wouldn't he think "oh i better hammer so people feel i'm town" after reading this? Not that RR wouldn't be thinking this anyways, but I don't see the point of including this.

Feels like Krystedez is padding his posts with as much as he can.

 

[Rajam]

If you've never done it before, why start now?

because it was fun to troll a little

 

[T-block]

Rajam, the point is it looks like you're up to something strange, which isn't necessarily bad, but generating confusion IS anti-town, and now you're trying to pass it off as RVS trolling.

 

[CT Chia]

Yea I'm definitely ok with Rajam being gone

 

[Rajam]

Rajam, the point is it looks like you're up to something strange, which isn't necessarily bad, but generating confusion IS anti-town, and now you're trying to pass it off as RVS trolling.

Then don't look at those posts, you won't get anything since I played trollish on purpose just for fun. I'm not up to something strange, and I find it funny that Shaya thinks I was onto something with the kupo! thing, or people still obssesed with hunting me for my RVS play. If you overread that you'll get confused, so, don't read them, they hold nothing valuable but trolling votes and statements. My real play starts after my ~ end of RVS ~ phrase.

So far everyone is still pretty null (although I'm just on page 7 - 40ppp); krystedez hasn't done anything; putting more attention on Pierce due to his weird list, Pado because of his loaded statements which he himself claimed are weak, and Raziek because he's being too quick in defending players and don't let them defend themselves. I haven't yet seen any post from Hilt. Zac lying low.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Now for my actual post

If RR were to flip town, my sentiments about Rajam would not change, other than him being scum mates with RR.

If RR were to hammer Rajam, and Rajam ends up turning up Scum, I would release my idea that RR is scum partnered with Rajam.

If RR were to hammer Rajam and he flips TOWN, then I'd be all "What do?" until we get more info about his role and the flavor.

If RR were to flip scum after lynching him, Id leave and ignore Rajam for the rest of the game; don't vote for him, but watch him carefully the whole game, unless we find a real p-jester or weird role that would fit him (essentially a psuedo c-claim to what Rajam APPEARS to be)

I at the very least advise we do NOT hammer Rajam but let RR do so. Right now, RR and Rajam seem to be the most clear targets.

I'm not sure about the rest of the people in this game until more discussion takes place.

Wait if I'm town, I was scummates with him?

What?

 

[T-block]

Then don't look at those posts, you won't get anything since I played trollish on purpose just for fun. I'm not up to something strange, and I find it funny that Shaya thinks I was onto something with the kupo! thing, or people still obssesed with hunting me for my RVS play. If you overread that you'll get confused, so, don't read them, they hold nothing valuable but trolling votes and statements. My real play starts after my ~ end of RVS ~ phrase.

Your trolling continued well past RVS though. It just became a source of confusion when everyone else was trying to move on.

 

[Krystedez]

Not liking Krystedez at the moment...



If this was in response to my question, Krystedez, note that my question only asked what if RR flipped town.

Why would you say this? Now that you have made this post, does your conclusion still apply? Assuming RR and Rajam are both scum, if you were to ask RR to hammer Rajam, wouldn't he think "oh i better hammer so people feel i'm town" after reading this? Not that RR wouldn't be thinking this anyways, but I don't see the point of including this.

Feels like Krystedez is padding his posts with as much as he can.

I'm not trying to pad my posts... I'm trying to answer your question as well being as descriptive about my thoughts currently as possible.

I thought you asked a question that deserved more than a simple answer, and I like to explore all scenarios and let people know how I will feel, especially with the case I've made at hand. It wasn't just for you.

But I do admit that I didn't answer your question as correctly as I could have, in fact you asked me one other:

"How about any other players?" (assuming RR would flip town)

I wouldn't feel comfortable being the one who advocated for RR's lynch FIRST instead of Rajam, but I feel like the rest of the players would have plenty of reasoning to lynch RR. I wouldn't have any adverse feelings towards other townspeople unless they generally didn't have any reason to begin with to vote for RR, and wouldn't expect anyone to come down on me for trying to make a case instead of saying "oh well Rajam looks worse let's hammer him" when he clearly looks more like a trap than anything to me.

As far as him saying "oh I better hammer" to save himself, it's a win win for town and mafia I think, because they get to keep their precious Godbeccas day 1 and we get rid of Rajam, whom makes my scumdar fly off the map...

And finally, I'm saying this because I want him to hammer and I'm afraid of losing a towny over a dumb trap. If it doesn't exist, it doesn't exist, but I'd rather be careful. What difference does it make if RR hammers or only votes for Rajam in the midst of discussion? Nothing; except security for the rest of the townspeople besides RR and Rajam.

Padding my posts would be talking more about flavor... lol. I just type a lot and put everything on my mind. If that sets you off, I'm sorry, I just don't have a good grasp of how much is enough for you guys to not question me later "what do you mean, why did you underline this why did you bold that answer

this

answer

that

Sorry if I get carried away.... >_<

 

[Krystedez]

Wait if I'm town, I was scummates with him?

What?

RE.READ.

Thank you.

 

[Rajam]

Also

Rajam just kinda obviously stated something along the lines of "RR, LOOK AT ME!!!!!".
Now to be perfectly honest, I'd be willing to lynch Rajam for just that. He's pretty much just claimed a role that involves affiliation of some sort, and his play has been pretty shoddy (even though I am liking him more now he's "stopped trolling"). He's breadcrumbing **** like crazy, especially with remarks such as 'kupo'. His play is pretty darn obvious, he's wanting attention.

Do people feel he is proper wagon worthy? (I guess there kinda is a wagon right now... but if we're going to push to L-2 on anyone and then demand a claim... it seems like Rajam is the obvious choice...)

I deny any sort of mason-relation with RR if that's what you're thinking. I've no connection with RR as far as my knowledge goes. That "cclaim" thing and the kupo! thing are no bcumbs of any sort btw.

Shaya what are you trying to find anyways by overanalyzing things like kupo! and "I cclaim RR", or why Ryu wrote "Me" with a capital M? outing masons? outing someone with a post-restriction? what good would that bring?

 

[T-block]

Rajam, post 54 is fine. This is RVS I have no problem with.

Posts 58, 61, 66 are meh, but nothing too serious alone. We have Omni asking serious questions, but not much else. By your post 75, we have my response to Omni's question, Chibo's asking about flavour, etc. Already enough to go on.

Then we have this:

Staying in RVS may be okay, but it's not ideal. We clearly have you asking somewhat serious questions - people could be commenting on that, but instead are throwing around random votes still. Why stay in RVS longer than we have to?

I did misread your post lol - I do not like the question though. I think it is a loaded question disguised as RVS, or an attempt to get out of RVS. You are essentially asking me who I think the strongest players in the game are... I can see scum benefiting from that sort of information more than town does.

it's not solely based on strength; it could also be based on relationship or your previous experience with other players. or how well you know a certain player. or how well you mesh.

i've asked this question many times via RVS stage and everyone has answered it. it's not loaded unless you're worried or concerned about leaving some kind of opening

Raziek - We think alike and would probably work very well together
Shaya - Always seems to play a strong scum game =x

@Everyone: Comment on the interaction between Omni and me please.

This should be the end of RVS. However, what's your first post after that?

Do we massclaim now?

This is now officially being distracting, when you could be doing more productive things. More posts follow:

Let Omni and T-block defend themselves. You're wasting a chance to create more pressure

FoS: Pado

kupo!

nvm

unvote
vote: Raziek

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fbg

dbaaec

vote: Chibo

The RVS non-sense is fun. fun fun fun friday fun
( breadcrumbing a c-claim to RR here btw

)

I'm also trying to evolve into the ultimate trollish style who shall reign in mafia games forever and ever aleluia lalalala * musical note *

No one claimed Smithy. I think someone is lying. Making some progress here

Spoiler

ok that was it. Troll style doesn't really fit me so I'll just press B and cancel the evolution

unvote

~ end of RVS non-sense ~

Your last post of RVS was post 221. RVS ended post 89.

So I guess the better question is: why did you feel the need to prolong your "RVS trolling"?

 

[Rajam]

@T-block: because I didn't get anything from your interaction with RR, and Raziek+Omni interventions. For me it was still pretty much RVS

 

[Krystedez]

So, essentially, you were over there (points to some random corner), making random gestures and votes, making it even easier for us to get out of RVS, since you were the only one doing it so late, but only because you thought it was still RVS?

It's like the tournament attendee that was never told we changed the venue spot in the middle of a tournament. lol.

 

[Rajam]

Since the list seems like a hot topic, I don't mind going into it deeper.

It's UNUSUAL for me to have this many reads on players despite the fact that it's this early in the game. Although I'm not going to start blasting off about every minor detail and insist I'm sure people are scum, I have a tremendous reason to raise my eyebrows at everything that's happened so far. That being said, I feel it's a little EARLY in the game for people to be acting this strange without some unforseen reason. The obvious scum tactic would be to just act normal, because it's day 1 and they're automatically and naturally hidden. There's no flip to go off of, nothing, just stuff we start building.

So why is it that Red Ryu and Rajam are acting so weird? Posing as Rebecca Black is weird, and furthermore, SEEMS like something OS would put into his game (he's fond of posting restrictions) so I'm trying to determine if that's WIFOM on my behalf, or if my suspicions are justified. Red Ryu is an intelligent individual. I've never been scum, but if I were scum, I would not think, "Hmm, let me start acting like Rebecca Black! That will totally draw attention away from me, and make people think I am Town!" It just doesn't add up.

Rajam is just a bundle of inconsistency. He first votes randomly, and even posts gibberish, then he says he's finally leaving RVS (well after the rest of town decided to do so), and claims it was all in good fun. Then he contradicts even that by saying he was using it as a strategy. At this point, I just don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth.

T-Block is simply acting like a standard townie to me. Omni and Raziek are both action like good townies. Furthermore, they're buddying (which I suspect is going to give me hell later if one of them flips, and I pray they're both town). Obviously, this isn't a tell, because scums whole job is to act like a standard townie, and that's really easy to do on day one, especially if you have obnoxiously obvious targets.

Mafia normally isn't this . . . easy. Do I have a good scumdar? Maybe, I have an OKAY one, I think. However, to me, the paths seem too obvious, and I feel like making the obvious votes on day one is just walking into a trap.

O_O what? when did I say that

quote pls

 

[Rajam]

RR? I was talking about what you said about Shaya



If he was do you think he would reveal that fact?



Why did you bold underling?



@MOD I really don't want to talk against the game mod or anything, but last game I played you hosted OS literally 95% of the vote counts you made were wrong. This is EXTREMELY hurtful to players.



Not much anything? This is the second day of the game.



Nothing I don't like really yet. Though on the flip side nothing screams wow town to me. I was ok with the list, and one reason for that was him pointing out me being town. I'm actually semi-serious about this actually. Everyone knows they can make an easy lynch out of me, but for the group of people who can read me legit and have caught onto my style (Pierce being one of them who I've seen predict my role in most games I'm in that he's read or been in, Poke Mafia being the most recent), them actually continuing said reads on me and not going for an easy lynch looks more town than scum to me.

--

I'm incredibly confused by Rajam. His excuse for some things being RVS and some not I feel like I don't know what is what. Afaik there is still no explanation for any of the votes he did, I don't know what questions are legit, and he's using it to mask up any action that people don't seem to like. Seems pretty scummy (since it's misleading town), or at the least AWFUL town play that I don't want to deal with. Currently my top lynch choice of the day.

so, what plan would you make if you were scum this game? you still haven't answered that afaik

 

[Pierce7d]

@ Rajam, reading back, I could see how I misinterpreted the comment where you said it was the ultimate trolling strategy as being also part of your utter foolishness.

My question is, did you honestly not believe you would come under heavy suspicion due to the course of your actions?

 

[T-block]

@T-block: because I didn't get anything from your interaction with RR, and Raziek+Omni interventions. For me it was still pretty much RVS

I hope nobody buys this. Even if you don't get anything, you can ask other players what they thought, bring up other things, etc.

The reason this justification is bull**** is that you could have just sat back and done NOTHING and waited for something real to comment on. Not only would you be under less suspicion now, but you would also be less of a hindrance to town.

 

[T-block]

EBWOP: Let me rephrase that last sentence...tenses are funny:

The reason this justification is bull**** is that you could have just sat back and done NOTHING and waited for something substantial to comment on or pursue. Then, not only would you have been under less suspicion now, but you also would have been less of a hindrance to town.

 

[Rajam]

Interesting to know who is still calling me scum based purely on RVS shenanigans

vote: T-block

 

[Rajam]

^^^ That was because of T-block pushing still for stupid RVS details btw.

 

[Krystedez]

EBWOP: Let me rephrase that last sentence...tenses are funny:

The reason this justification is bull**** is that you could have just sat back and done NOTHING and waited for something substantial to comment on or pursue. Then, not only would you have been under less suspicion now, but you also would have been less of a hindrance to town.

I was actually going to say that earlier. :/

It would also have not made me think about this whole connection between RR and Rajam.

I would like Hilt and Chibo to comment on these happenings. What is your suggested course of action? Vote up Rajam until he's ready to be hammered, then let RR hammer him? Vote off RR? Or is there someone else who's more of a candidate / a better course of action?

I think the activity has died down a bit...

 

[T-block]

lol

Rajam, your shenanigans were anti-town, no doubt about it. You can't just pass them off as RVS. Plus, you haven't given a reasonable explanation for it.

For the record, it's not a strong scum read on you at the moment, but it's the strongest one I have. My read on Krystedez is pretty weak atm.

Your vote on me smells like OMGUS imo. I think you're trying to threaten people out of focusing on your RVS.

I would like to see you answer Pierce's question as to whether you thought you could do this without falling under suspicion.

 

[Rajam]

Also, @T-block:

Hilt, Zac, Zigsta: all of them also did nothing during RVS and past my last RVS post. Didn't you noted that?

 

[Pierce7d]

I definitely with you T-Block. I don't buy it for a second. The only reason I'm not really drilling into Rajam is because I feel like we as Town on a whole don't seem to know how we want to precede from here. Like I said before, some of us want a claim, some of us don't. Most of us feel it's too early to lynch.

I feel like the Rajam interrogation is pretty much over. We can try and ask other people how they feel about him, generate more connections, and gather more data, but as far as I'm concerned, Rajam hasn't done anything that makes me feel he should live the day out.

I don't want to lynch him yet, because there's still plenty of things worth investigating. I'm getting more and more suspicious of Krystedez again. His last walls of posts did not blow over with me at all.

And now Rajam is OMGUSing T-Block, trying to claim that there should be no pressure on him, when he is still the scummiest target of the day, and at L-2. I PERSONALLY FEEL ENDANGERED, because I have NOT voting for him, and I think he's going to flip scum (but obviously it would be scummy to push him too close to a hammer, or hammer him, and this leaves me with a predicament if he does indeed flip scum).

That being said, LOL RAJAM, 5 people and at one point 6 people are voting for you right now, and you're OMGUSing T-Block right now?!

FOS: Rajam

 

[T-block]

@Rajam: Noted, and as I said, I prefer that to what you did because it wasn't distracting. If you are town, look at what you've done: a lot of the day has been dedicated to discussing your actions, and if you get lynched, we just lost a townie. Zac hasn't done much, but he hasn't hindered us apart from being inactive.

@Pierce: If I gave the impression that I wanted to quick lynch him, know that I don't. I agree there's not much point in questioning his RVS any further, because he's made his story pretty clear. I don't think my questioning was excessive though, and we can proceed now knowing he has made a clear statement about the intentions of his early posts.

I still think a name claim is a good idea because of the potential to clear up this confusion, but I can understand if others don't want to go for it.

 

[Rajam]

lol

Rajam, your shenanigans were anti-town, no doubt about it. You can't just pass them off as RVS. Plus, you haven't given a reasonable explanation for it.

For the record, it's not a strong scum read on you at the moment, but it's the strongest one I have. My read on Krystedez is pretty weak atm.

Your vote on me smells like OMGUS imo. I think you're trying to threaten people out of focusing on your RVS.

I would like to see you answer Pierce's question as to whether you thought you could do this without falling under suspicion.

Reasonable explanation? I've said several times there isn't. just RVS trollin, obvious dumb ideas, random votes. Distracting? that was so obviously non-serious that whoever got distracted by it is a noob.

Healthy pressure was expected, but also it would give scum the perfect excuse of "easy lynch", for whoever got into that too much and didn't let go. You're doing that. Hence you're scum.

 

[T-block]

@Rajam: What are your thoughts on Pierce, Krystedez, Omni and Chibo?

Most of us were distracted by it exactly because it was obviously non-serious =P