Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

[Isaac4SmashUltimate]

Nintendo Robot Wars when?

I wish I could give you more likes because that would be so epic. : D

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Nintendo Robot Wars when?

Full of never-ever, but it would be great.

And you can bet that the ROB they'd use is the post-plot Brawl one.

 

[Jupiter Ivan]

The miis also have their own numbers. So why would anyone use the smashdown mode to prove the remaining cast of the game?

Because with how the mode works, it greys out characters that have been used per fight until the entire roster has been used. So in order to make it work with 2, 3 or 4 players the final roster would need to be 72 or 84 IIRC. The scary part is because of that, that 72 is lookin kinda probable...

 

[Billybae10K]

Well, it seems that we've taken the lead in the poll. Given they shared the poll on the Kirby reddit, I shared the poll on my twitter and in my discord, so hopefully Isaac gets a few extra votes in. Normally I wouldn't ask people to specifically vote on a character as it skews results, but as they made the first move in the Kirby reddit, it's only fair.

 

[Confirmation]

Isaac is still going close what is my life

 

[THE TemporaryFool]

Because with the mode works, it greys out characters that have been used per fight until the entire roster has been used. So in order to make it work with 2, 3 or 4 players the final roster would need to be 72 or 84 IRC. The scary part is because of that, that 72 is lookin kinda probable...

Even then, the pokemon trainer is three characters in one. And the potential unkown amount of dlc characters. How will smashdown work then?

 

[smashkirby]

Nintendo Robot Wars when?

My GOD, this looks GORGEOUS! Where did you find this?? Seriously, I never knew I wanted something like this until now!

 

[Flynn.Scifo]

Just asked some help from Baguette, (JeuxVideo.com) buts it's like 12 45 AM in France. Maybe they can get us the missing 1%.

Just gave my french vote, not like it will change much but I am a good citizen

 

[Fire Tactician]

What if Isaac’s reveal was only cut from the September Direct because it contained an earthquake? It could’ve been seen as insensitive to leave that in.

It sure is possible, though Isabelle's tie-in with Animal Crossing 2019 couldn't have worked at any other time, so that was probably always planned. Whether or not we were supposed to get two characters that Direct though is anyone's guess.

 

[LegendOfDragoon]

Isaac is up by 2 VOTES RIGHT NOW

 

[THE 6r]

Ok, I like Hat Goomba because he's adorable and represents both the Sakurai Kirby games and Modern Kirby. He's also my adorable SSF2 main (tbh I mostly want him because that means there's a chance of his wave taunt making it in). Don't worry, guys, I also use Isaac in the rare chances I get to play the game (considering my busy schedule).

 

[Zalaresh]

Personally, I'd like Bandana Dee to get a place in the roster to complete the modern Kirby set of playable characters. He's been in enough games now and shown his importance to the series that I think he's really earned his spot. I'm also quite a fan of spear-based movesets so slight weapon bias from me. Not to mention Dedede and Meta-Knight both technically are villain reps so to speak, or at least they've assumed an antagonistic role before, so having another Hero character from the Kirby franchise would be quite a difference and balance the cast out.

Yeah I suppose having another hero character matters for that series. I wouldn't mind a spear user in the game. A long time ago I wanted Ephriam from Fire Emblem in the game, but after all of the clones and more modern characters, I realized his relevance was pretty much gone. He's only now building popularity, because Fire Emblem Hero's. Although if we go by who deserves to get in, that's really hard to support. It would all be dependent on if your into modern, old, or retro games from Nintendo. I mean Ice climbers haven't got another character sense they arrived. I say we need to start a new pole for the Polar Bear in sunglasses from their game.

 

[Jupiter Ivan]

THE TemporaryFool Well Pokemon Trainer is simple. When he loses a poke he loses a stock. When his stock is depleted he’s out.

As for DLC, they’ll probably be excluded from the mode like the Miis are.

 

[Confirmation]

Folks who haven't voted (or friendly Guests, love you guys), here's the link yet again. https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/9gw3no/day_2234vote_using_google_forms_randomized_smash/

Thread is moving pretty fast so sorry if me posting this a lot seems spammy. Just want people to have an easy time accessing the poll

 

[jweb23]

The miis also have their own numbers. So why would anyone use the smashdown mode to prove the remaining cast of the game?

Because if you go by the direct from August it clearly shows the Miis are not there so take away 3 from the playable roster in that mode plus Pokémon Trainer being counted as 1 instead of 3 so take away another 2. With all that in mind we have 69 playable characters for that mode!

Due to how the mode was presented it’s safe to say that it limits you to 4 players at once especially when you consider 8-player Smash was it’s own mode in the last game and might be again. There is also the possibility of being forced to play with 4 characters every time. Some people like myself believe the roster will smoothly fit this mode with a proper number, meaning a multiple of 4 or assuming you can play it with 2 or 3 players...a multiple of 3 as well. If multiples of just 4 is true then the roster could end up with 72, 76, 80, 84 or more characters. If the multiple of 4 and 3 is true then the roster would be 72 or 84.

It’s just another theory out there that some believe.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Because with how the mode works, it greys out characters that have been used per fight until the entire roster has been used. So in order to make it work with 2, 3 or 4 players the final roster would need to be 72 or 84 IIRC. The scary part is because of that, that 72 is lookin kinda probable...

And people continue to argue the mode means ANYTHING... WHY?


There's nothing at all to suggest that the mode can't just end when there's not enough characters for every active player. And its very unlikely the mode is only available with all characters unlocked. People need to get that mode out of there heads, because I guarantee its going to mean jack ****. We're probably NOT going to have an "even number" of fighters for that mode.

 

[LegendOfDragoon]

Because if you go by the direct from August it clearly shows the Miis are not there so take away 3 from the playable roster in that mode plus Pokémon Trainer being counted as 1 instead of 3 so take away another 2. With all that in mind we have 69 playable characters for that mode!

Due to how the mode was presented it’s safe to say that it limits you to 4 players at once especially when you consider 8-player Smash was it’s own mode in the last game and might be again. There is also the possibility of being forced to play with 4 characters every time. Some people like myself believe the roster will smoothly fit this mode with a proper number, meaning a multiple of 4 or assuming you can play it with 2 or 3 players...a multiple of 3 as well. If multiples of just 4 is true then the roster could end up with 72, 76, 80, 84 or more characters. If the multiple of 4 and 3 is true then the roster would be 72 or 84.

It’s just another theory out there that some believe.

Yeah, I don't really believe in Smashdown theory. I think it'll just end if you don't have enough characters to play another round (Or maybe you can set a number of rounds and it won't matter. Even if we use the roster we have now, that would be 23 rounds of 3 player smashdown. That's a little unwieldly,

If I had to subscribe to a fan theory it would be Blog theory that predicts 6-8 more newcomers (echoes included in that count)

 

[Gioka]

Even then, the pokemon trainer is three characters in one. And the potential unkown amount of dlc characters. How will smashdown work then?

I am still skeptical about the Smashdown theory because we didn't see the mii Fighters there and because of things like echoes and Pkmn trainer. Granted they could still aim for the divisible thing but idk, seems like a stretch. And if anything we would be at 69 characters right now counting the echos separately, getting rid of Mii and counting PT as one character

 

[Luigifan18]

8-Player Smash is not its own mode this time...

 

[jweb23]

And people continue to argue the mode means ANYTHING... WHY?


There's nothing at all to suggest that the mode can't just end when there's not enough characters for every active player. And its very unlikely the mode is only available with all characters unlocked. People need to get that mode out of there heads, because I guarantee its going to mean jack ****. We're probably NOT going to have an "even number" of fighters for that mode.

It’s silly to completely dismiss the theory because we don’t have enough information. It’s very possible the mode is unlocked by getting all the characters. It’s also very possible the base roster falls into place with the mode.

It’s just like how we don’t have enough info to disprove the box theory or the blog post theory. Everything will straighten itself out eventually. Dismissing any of these possibilities is silly.

 

[LegendOfDragoon]

Also we got 10 pages in a day, like what even is this.

 

[Rethuic]

Oh boy, let's see if it's true
(EDIT) Warning, it IS from 4chan

 

[N3ON]

The season pass was revealed before release, but nothing was known about it and there was no data in-game for it at all.


Kirby's content updates were planned as free content updates, and again, they were found at launch and were literally just data. That's why I said now is too soon. By November? Yes, I can imagine DLC plans starting to be worked on. I can only imagine fighters coming soon after release if they're Echo Fighters, though.

Sure, but the point was they existed and could be subject to leaks. Those simply didn't leak, much as the DLC plans may not. But that doesn't mean there's no current DLC plan in motion. Obviously the closer we get to reveal, the more people catch wind and the greater chance a leak occurs, but leaks can arise at almost any stage.

And yeah, your theory is a plausible outcome. But it's not alone in plausibility, we can't dismiss other plausible outcomes simply because they don't coincide with a sole hypothesis at the DLC roadmap. Should we receive an original DLC character shortly after release, itself another plausible outcome (there's no guarantee DLC will mirror the rollout of Smash 4 - it probably won't), that character currently being deep in development and liable to leaking makes sense too.

 

[mynameisBlade]

Because with how the mode works, it greys out characters that have been used per fight until the entire roster has been used. So in order to make it work with 2, 3 or 4 players the final roster would need to be 72 or 84 IIRC. The scary part is because of that, that 72 is lookin kinda probable...

Smashdown theory is just bad. Sakurai would never design the roster # for a single game mode.....smh. Also, two people cannot pick the same character. Sakurai clearly stated in the August Direct that you can pick a character your friends are good with before they can pick them. (Means no mirror picks in Smashdown)

Let it die. We will be able to play Smashdown with 2 to 8 players. The mode will probably end when there are not an equal # of players to fighters left. Simple as that.

 

[Gurein]

I've been thinking, what kind of trailer would you want Isaac to have? High quality CGI as usual? In game recreation? Or an animated one like Palutena's ? I'm pretty sure a Golden Sun anime was the dream of a lot of us back in the day

 

[LegendOfDragoon]

I've been thinking, what kind of trailer would you want Isaac to have? High quality CGI as usual? In game recreation? Or an animated one like Palutena's ? I'm pretty sure a Golden Sun anime was the dream of a lot of us back in the day

It it's high quality like the ones we've had I want it to go like this:

Captain Falcon is cracking his knuckles. After soundly defeating Chrom, Lucina, and Robin, he's received the right to take on a super tough enemy. He's seen in the middle of combat with Bowser. They appear evenly matched, trading blows regularly. Bowser Jr however doesn't like this and aids his father in some way. with the new advantage he takes the advantage and with one final blow sends the captain flying. his helmet skitters across the ground and lands in front of a set of double doors. Bowser turns to start leaving when there's a loud bang. They turn back to the door. Another bang and the door noticably moves. A third bang and the doors fly open, showing a psynergy fist disappearing. Isaac steps out from the shadows.

ISAAC JOINS THE PARTY (roll gameplay)

Afterwards an earth Djinn is standing on top of Captain Falcon while Isaac casts revive.

If it's Anime, then a fight against Rathalos featuring Link Shulk and Marth is perfect.

 

[Gioka]

Oh boy, let's see if it's true
(EDIT) Warning, it IS from 4chan

Very interesting. I like this outcome specially (aside from Isaac of course) because of the online option for Spirits because that would be Hella cool!

 

[Luigifan18]

It it's high quality like the ones we've had I want it to go like this:

Captain Falcon is cracking his knuckles. After soundly defeating Chrom, Lucina, and Robin, he's received the right to take on a super tough enemy. He's seen in the middle of combat with Bowser. They appear evenly matched, trading blows regularly. Bowser Jr however doesn't like this and aids his father in some way. with the new advantage he takes the advantage and with one final blow sends the captain flying. his helmet skitters across the ground and lands in front of a set of double doors. Bowser turns to start leaving when there's a loud bang. They turn back to the door. Another bang and the door noticably moves. A third bang and the doors fly open, showing a psynergy fist disappearing. Isaac steps out from the shadows.

ISAAC JOINS THE PARTY (roll gameplay)

Afterwards an earth Djinn is standing on top of Captain Falcon while Isaac casts revive.

If it's Anime, then a fight against Rathalos featuring Link Shulk and Marth is perfect.

We have a trailer thread. FYI.

 

[Jupiter Ivan]

I've been thinking, what kind of trailer would you want Isaac to have? High quality CGI as usual? In game recreation? Or an animated one like Palutena's ? I'm pretty sure a Golden Sun anime was the dream of a lot of us back in the day

I don’t think we have had a trailer that isn’t CGI yet for Ultimate(not counting Isabelle’s). So it’ll probably be CGI, and I’m alright with that. I just wonder how they’ll go about it. Who else would be featured in it? Would they use Venus Lighthouse as the trailer setting? Or a generic, not Golden Sun area? Kinda like how Ridelys trailer featured a pretty basic derelict ship. I mean I guess it’s supposed to be a Space Pirate ship.

I kinda feel like Venus Lighthouse is so memorable for us that, as soon as the trailer starts we’d know lol. I almost want it to be a wasteland battlefield with a bunch of characters fighting in a rainstorm. And then, amongst the chaos the sky clears. The sun shines through, and on the horizon, a figure stands, the sun obscuring him. The scene cuts to the character and with a violent flap of his scarf it’s revealed as Isaac, ready to Brawl.

 

[TempestSurge]

I probably shouldn't but thinking about that mech tweet Sakurai made worries me. If he made a tweet like that that long ago and it's amounted to nothing yet it makes me feel like the Rathalos tweet will be seen the same.

If we're going with comparisons the Monado tweet is a better match. Both made after the new Smash game was announced during the midst of the news/speculation period and ended up being a hint/tease to Shulk's eventual reveal. Sakurai didn't make this reference years ago, he made it recently in the midst of newcomer speculation so him being conscious of what he tweets, seems kind of counter productive to tweet a picture reminiscent of the game of a highly requested character since Brawl days.

 

[Fire Tactician]

Oh boy, let's see if it's true
(EDIT) Warning, it IS from 4chan

• I doubt that a localizer would reveal their position so directly- that puts a target on their back and they don't have the job security to keep a localizing job at Nintendo if there was an issue like that. I'm also pretty sure they don't outsource important translation work like Directs, so I'd be shocked if someone more intimate at Nintendo wasn't used for something as sensitive as Smash stuff.
• Isaac would be hype.
• Dixie and Shadow would be aight. I don't personally care about them, but I'd be okay with their inclusion.
• Geno is aight. I wouldn't be excited, but he'd be a fine final reveal. I'm especially okay with him if we get Isaac, since I think they kinda come from similar places, though I think that Isaac has a much stronger claim.
• Test Smash makes sense.
• I'd be suspicious of it ending with an announcement of a test smash rather than a character. That seems like, while hype-inducing, anti-climactic.
• All-in-all, I think fake.

 

[Clumsyzephyr]

Do you guys think that lack of relevancy would have an effect on if he got an echo or not?

 

[LegendOfDragoon]

We have a trailer thread. FYI.

Shhh, I only leave here to go to other newcomer threads to spread well wishes.

 

[MeatOfJustice]

So they don't want to spoil Spirits for us but they're okay with releasing a datamine-able demo? It would ruin the big plans after Geno, too.

 

[Nossnitro102]

Rip me trying to catch up at this point. XD I have no clue what the current topic is right now either seeing as I'm still at page 440 something.

 

[LegendOfDragoon]

So they don't want to spoil Spirits for us but they're okay with releasing a datamine-able demo? It would ruin the big plans after Geno, too.

IF this leak were legit (It's probably not) they could very well have all the characters announced right before the test smash drops.

 

[Fire Tactician]

Do you guys think that lack of relevancy would have an effect on if he got an echo or not?

I think that, unfortunately, it might. While both Felix and Matthew make a ton of sense, I could see prioritizing Echos that would be bigger fan favorites over them. The likes of Shadow, Tails, Dixie Kong, most FE characters, and Ken give the GS Echoes tons of problems.

 

[SuperNintendoKid]

Oh boy, let's see if it's true
(EDIT) Warning, it IS from 4chan

this is a more sensible leak and would actually be great if true!

 

[Luigifan18]

I have no idea whether or not it's already been posted here, but here's an Isaac moveset from Delzethin.

 

[LegendOfDragoon]

I think that, unfortunately, it might. While both Felix and Matthew make a ton of sense, I could see prioritizing Echos that would be bigger fan favorites over them. The likes of Shadow, Tails, Dixie Kong, most FE characters, and Ken give the GS Echoes tons of problems.

The ONLY reason I still have hope for Felix is because something in my gut says they won't do newcomer + echo only once.