PB&J
Smash Hero
its almost the same for icy's mains too but i dont really main ivy's anymore...hbox is beast he beasted on sat..cant wait til genesis for all the hype to finally be here
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Stuff About Puff
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dudutsai
Smash Lord
If your stupid and mispace your aerials he can do it oos.
If he shields your fsmash he can do it easily.
If you miss a rest your dead
But to compensate for these things, you can combo roy into rest SUPER EASILY
Plus he can't really space
It's supposed to be 50-50 but I think its in Puff's favor
idea
Smash Master
roy sucks. don't worry about him. if you happen to fight a really good one, be more careful than usual...which shouldn't be too bad, most characters have to play that way against a puff anyway.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
puff is fine vs roy, if you di or cc his up+b reverse won't ko you and unless you lag stupidly a lot then you'll be fine.
Cia
das kwl
RestInPeace
Smash Ace
Idea, is Afro Chris uploading anymore of those tournament videos? I would love to see some PKMVodka Jiggs. Also, who took out Kage, and at which point?
idea
Smash Master
he better be <_< there's tons of good footage recorded. i think raynex said he was gonna be putting up some of it too but i'm not sure.
http://www.youtube.com/user/RaynEX1719
yeah, looks like he's already started, but it's kind of disorganized right now.
and...i think vwins knocked out kage. results thread:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=232618
http://www.youtube.com/user/RaynEX1719
yeah, looks like he's already started, but it's kind of disorganized right now.
and...i think vwins knocked out kage. results thread:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=232618
RestInPeace
Smash Ace
I see. I saw the GF matches already. Awesome stuff from RaynEX... So intelligent with the game. And its RaynEX that took out Kage.
Also, who was in your pools?
Also, who was in your pools?
soap
Smash Hero
so i was thinking of picking up jigglypuff
and i decided to check out the jiggs boards
u guys have no threads :embarrass
what is some cool stuff to practice with this thing?
and i decided to check out the jiggs boards
u guys have no threads :embarrass
what is some cool stuff to practice with this thing?
idea
Smash Master
bair
and...fair
and upthings to rest. and shield to rest.
and you know that irritating edgeguarding? with jiggs you can do that to other people.
and...fair
and upthings to rest. and shield to rest.
and you know that irritating edgeguarding? with jiggs you can do that to other people.
soap
Smash Hero
hmm, i know about that stuff. I was talking about random trixies and the like, and tricky float patterns for approaching or whatever.
ill have to do this the old fashioned way, watch vids and make **** up
ill have to do this the old fashioned way, watch vids and make **** up
idea
Smash Master
oh, okay. off the top of my head...
- attack near them but not at them. kind of like sheik's nair. you just let the priority do its work =D any videos of hungrybox show this really well, cause he always throws out bairs near people but not right at them, until he's hit them once and is comboing.
- if marth fsmashes, you have a 12-frame window in which you can roll on top of him and rest him in the lag. (actually, jiggs can do lots of stuff surprisingly fast out of her roll and techroll...like crouch...under people's grabs...)
- if you upthrow a fox or falco below a platform, upair them, and when they fall from that and hit the platform they'll probably miss the tech, and you can rest. for some reason people miss this tech very often. i guess you'd have to ask a spacies main why. maybe they're trying to time the tech for the upthrow alone?
- floating back and forth = aerial dash dancing
- edgeguard with fair, generally, keeping in mind that jiggs is kind of slow. you can't just grab the ledge and bair like with sheik, you could miss =P
- wavedashing is actually pretty useful...say if you hit their shield, land behind them, and want to get away from them before they can hit you. she's crouching while she wds so it sometimes feels better than jumping again.
- if you're trying to hit with falling upair, try using it as your second aerial rather than jumping right at them with it (since it doesn't really cover you well if they jump out with ultra top-tier aerials). so for example, bair, hit their shield, float behind them and upair (without having to jump again). and if that hits their shield too, i dunno, that's when you start making stuff up. sometimes i uptilt at that point. or you could try grabbing.
- oh yeah, that reminds me - when fox or falco jump at you with an aerial, sometimes you can wd away, then back toward them a little (where they missed) and grab. this makes more sense in videos.
haha, that wasn't really the top of my head. i think i just didn't want to get back to my essay too soon. also i might try to learn sheik soon.
oh yeah, and anyone else here correct me if i'm wrong about any of that =P
- attack near them but not at them. kind of like sheik's nair. you just let the priority do its work =D any videos of hungrybox show this really well, cause he always throws out bairs near people but not right at them, until he's hit them once and is comboing.
- if marth fsmashes, you have a 12-frame window in which you can roll on top of him and rest him in the lag. (actually, jiggs can do lots of stuff surprisingly fast out of her roll and techroll...like crouch...under people's grabs...)
- if you upthrow a fox or falco below a platform, upair them, and when they fall from that and hit the platform they'll probably miss the tech, and you can rest. for some reason people miss this tech very often. i guess you'd have to ask a spacies main why. maybe they're trying to time the tech for the upthrow alone?
- floating back and forth = aerial dash dancing
- edgeguard with fair, generally, keeping in mind that jiggs is kind of slow. you can't just grab the ledge and bair like with sheik, you could miss =P
- wavedashing is actually pretty useful...say if you hit their shield, land behind them, and want to get away from them before they can hit you. she's crouching while she wds so it sometimes feels better than jumping again.
- if you're trying to hit with falling upair, try using it as your second aerial rather than jumping right at them with it (since it doesn't really cover you well if they jump out with ultra top-tier aerials). so for example, bair, hit their shield, float behind them and upair (without having to jump again). and if that hits their shield too, i dunno, that's when you start making stuff up. sometimes i uptilt at that point. or you could try grabbing.
- oh yeah, that reminds me - when fox or falco jump at you with an aerial, sometimes you can wd away, then back toward them a little (where they missed) and grab. this makes more sense in videos.
haha, that wasn't really the top of my head. i think i just didn't want to get back to my essay too soon. also i might try to learn sheik soon.
oh yeah, and anyone else here correct me if i'm wrong about any of that =P
Binx
Smash Master
Umm Jiggs is a really strait forward character, just space fairs and bairs and nairs, remember nairs auto cancel, mix WoP's with short hop nairs and stuff, empty short hops fast falled to grab is ****.
Most times you could shine a person as Fox you can rest them with Jiggs, its just riskier, so just learn when you can hop out of shield with it. The hitbox for rest is right about between her eyes and is retardedly small.
I basically just watched a handfull of Mango vids and Hbox vids, oh and The King did basically everything Jiggs can do also. You can safely use rollout on some characters on mute city during certain parts of the track. (>^_^)>
Most times you could shine a person as Fox you can rest them with Jiggs, its just riskier, so just learn when you can hop out of shield with it. The hitbox for rest is right about between her eyes and is retardedly small.
I basically just watched a handfull of Mango vids and Hbox vids, oh and The King did basically everything Jiggs can do also. You can safely use rollout on some characters on mute city during certain parts of the track. (>^_^)>
soap
Smash Hero
roll into a rest, i will remember that.
I was practicing and kept trying to wavedash out of my down B. Its all that shine muscle memory
I was practicing and kept trying to wavedash out of my down B. Its all that shine muscle memory
Tamoo
Smash Master
OK, quick question you guys
Whats the best way to deal with Captain Falcons,
Its just that I have virtually no match up experience against him apart from my friends feeble attempts to be 'manly' or whatever, and it looks like a lot of the top players in the UK are starting to pick him up.
Whats the best way to deal with Captain Falcons,
Its just that I have virtually no match up experience against him apart from my friends feeble attempts to be 'manly' or whatever, and it looks like a lot of the top players in the UK are starting to pick him up.
idea
Smash Master
ooh i like that matchup =)
uptilt-rest. uptilt beats his moves now and then, but reliably beats dair, and he's right above you when he uses that.
upair rest. cause he's heavy.
you can duck under his grab. falcons grab a lot.
pressure him a lot if you can, cause what is falcon gonna do out of shield? but if he has space to run around, be careful, cause knee is good. dthrow-knee works on you too, so watch out for that, but if he mistimes it you can rest him out of his dthrow =P i keep forgetting to do that.
spacing bairs works, big surprise there <_<
edgeguarding is pretty easy cause his up-b is so predictable. grab the edge, when he goes onstage, rest...or bair if you wanna be safer. if he's recovering low, you can just jump out with fairs. it only gets trickier when he goes higher up and has a platform or something.
other than that...watch out for nair and upair, cause they can actually hit you with those. if rest isn't working, space stuff and edgeguard. if it is, you're probably winning (see sliq vs. darkrain =P).
hey, wait a sec. sliq, why don't you ever post here?
uptilt-rest. uptilt beats his moves now and then, but reliably beats dair, and he's right above you when he uses that.
upair rest. cause he's heavy.
you can duck under his grab. falcons grab a lot.
pressure him a lot if you can, cause what is falcon gonna do out of shield? but if he has space to run around, be careful, cause knee is good. dthrow-knee works on you too, so watch out for that, but if he mistimes it you can rest him out of his dthrow =P i keep forgetting to do that.
spacing bairs works, big surprise there <_<
edgeguarding is pretty easy cause his up-b is so predictable. grab the edge, when he goes onstage, rest...or bair if you wanna be safer. if he's recovering low, you can just jump out with fairs. it only gets trickier when he goes higher up and has a platform or something.
other than that...watch out for nair and upair, cause they can actually hit you with those. if rest isn't working, space stuff and edgeguard. if it is, you're probably winning (see sliq vs. darkrain =P).
hey, wait a sec. sliq, why don't you ever post here?
Tamoo
Smash Master
OK cheers Idea, ill be sure to work these tips into my game
and that match was jokes, i didnt think sliq had a chance after that first match
and that match was jokes, i didnt think sliq had a chance after that first match
dudutsai
Smash Lord
-Darc-
Heir to the Monado
I quit Jigglypuff You quoted this and you now know I'm joking
dudutsai
Smash Lord
Why? For who?
idea
Smash Master
that's what he gets for shielding
man, girls are so pretty. how the hell do they do that? .......and mindgames
Sliq
Smash Master
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Darkrains amazing and I'm simply above average. No reason why every match shouldn't be like the first match.
PB&J
Smash Hero
i was playing puff yesterday...im getting there...and i used puff before icys so i know what im doing a little bit
dudutsai
Smash Lord
Which way do you DI falcon's dtilt to not get kneed?
Tamoo
Smash Master
In the same vain as the question from dudutsai, where should I di the dthrow to not get kneed? Or at least reduce the chance
dudutsai
Smash Lord
Falcon's dthrow is basically 50-50
If you don't DI at all, it's a very easy knee. What you gotta do is either DI away and down, or up and into him.
That way he has to guess correctly which one, because both ways require you to input commands immediately.
So just switch it up
I will say though, that if you DI down and away and he lands the first knee, it is easier for him to continue running and combo with a second or even third knee.
If you don't DI at all, it's a very easy knee. What you gotta do is either DI away and down, or up and into him.
That way he has to guess correctly which one, because both ways require you to input commands immediately.
So just switch it up
I will say though, that if you DI down and away and he lands the first knee, it is easier for him to continue running and combo with a second or even third knee.
Tamoo
Smash Master
Yeah, up to now, ive basically been diing up and towards on low percents, and down and away at higher percents, so i just wanted to make sure I wasn't diing it horribly wrong.
RestInPeace
Smash Ace
If the Falcon catches onto that DI pattern, you're screwed.
idea
Smash Master
with falcon i kind of guess. survival DI (up+toward him) seems to work better most of the time, since you're kind of awkwardly above his head.
dudutsai
Smash Lord
Not anymore LOL
Also I was thinking about it, and couldn't a faster falcon dash dance backwards when you DI up and towards and uair you? I haven't seen it, but I think it's possible....
It's probably better to DI up and towards anyway because mostly they will expect away and down
Also I was thinking about it, and couldn't a faster falcon dash dance backwards when you DI up and towards and uair you? I haven't seen it, but I think it's possible....
It's probably better to DI up and towards anyway because mostly they will expect away and down
idea
Smash Master
i'm very talkative when people ask me direct questions =P
generally, falcon can hit you no matter where you di. there are probably some very low or very high percents where he can't, but pretty much expect him to be able to hit you if he reads it right.
but he still has to time it correctly after the throw. and falcons are used to moving horizontally...they don't have as much practice hitting things right above their head.
and yeah. they'll probably expect away and down.
generally, falcon can hit you no matter where you di. there are probably some very low or very high percents where he can't, but pretty much expect him to be able to hit you if he reads it right.
but he still has to time it correctly after the throw. and falcons are used to moving horizontally...they don't have as much practice hitting things right above their head.
and yeah. they'll probably expect away and down.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
don't get grabbed by falcon
he can hurt you
he can hurt you
thataintflaco1338
Smash Journeyman
His falcon punch will fist you so hard you won't know what happened, and you'll be coming in seconds.
HT F8
Hostile Takeover
Double stick tech'd. ^_^
you have 2 sticks? o_0
Tamoo
Smash Master
You only have one??!
Binx
Smash Master
Up and towards and rest his face when he hops up to knee you (should only work once haha.)
RestInPeace
Smash Ace
Shouldn't it work everytime he reads the wrong DI?
PB&J
Smash Hero
so mango about gensis..um pm me or something
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