Starcraft 2 (Info on first post!)

[Omni]

ill be on mostly all evening. maybe i should ladder it up?

 

[Zankoku]

I don't have any interest in playing people better than me at the moment.

 

[Omni]

yeah, ankoku just likes ****** me back and forth with whatever he wants to do.

tho tbh when i play other players in my league later i see a lot more openings and i defend better as well

 

[M@v]

People in your league are supposed to be roughly your skill level, so that means its working

In speaking of eco busts, that reminds me of that jinro game. Seriously I don't see how its possible to stop that unless you have tanks. He had 3 barracks plus other **** behind that and the zerg still rolled through the wall.

 

[Zankoku]

yeah, ankoku just likes ****** me back and forth with whatever he wants to do.

tho tbh when i play other players in my league later i see a lot more openings and i defend better as well

It's not my fault that I did a 1rax FE build and you still had less army than I did with your 1 base stim rush! It was pretty dumb getting Terran when I picked Random lol.

 

[Kenrawr]

i'm glad that i just watched that game or i woulda been really pissed @ mav for the spoilers

yes, i'm a lil behind

 

[ArcNatural]

I just need to make sure I keep playing. I often end up watching streams more. I'm happy with my improvement but it's not enough.

I feel that my progression has been pretty slow due to my lack of effort in playing. Since my break it only took me about a week to go from gold to plat which makes me believe if I simply played more I could make diamond probably easier than I think. As long as I have the desire to play and improve.

If anyone themself or their friends are around my level (gold/plat/lowdiamond) and want to play please let me know. I do not have enough SC2 friends

 

[M@v]

i'm glad that i just watched that game or i woulda been really pissed @ mav for the spoilers

yes, i'm a lil behind

Yeah i thought it was safe to say that; it happened a while ago D:

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Ankoku is right, nobody here really has the authority to talk about balance. Most professional players don't have the base to talk about balance. The fact of the matter is, few players have the perspective of playing against and countering high level builds with good execution. Most of us here deal have weak to moderate execution and the difference between wins and losses in ladder matches is who executes better. If you have less than perfect execution and lose to something, it may be perfectly beatable with better execution. You won't know unless you simply get better.

On top of that even fewer players have perspective of every match-up and how each change effects every match-up. For example, rhan plays terran (right?), and probably sees the infestors killing his marines really fast and preventing them from stimming and running away from banelings. But in professional matches you see terran players poke forward with ghosts and EMP casters so there is no energy during an engagement. The first situation seems like its so OP for zerg, but in the second you can see zerg has no counter for this tactic, and so maybe its OP for terran. But if you change either of those things, it also effects both race's match-ups with protoss.

 

[fkacyan]

I don't think anybody on these boards actually has the authority to say things are underpowered or overpowered in SC2.

It is impossible to understand something if you yourself are incapable of doing it?

Oh Ankoku you so silly.

 

[Omni]

i literally just participated in the most funniest most awesome most stupid comeback *********** in TvT

http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/157154-1v1-terran-slag-pits

 

[Kenrawr]

guys, don't discuss starcraft in the starcraft thread

you don't know anything and aren't allowed to







dunno what's wrong about complaining about stuff. for each complaint 2-3 posts with solutions soon follow!

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

discussing strategy =/= talking about balance

 

[Nasty_Nate]

some people here have more authority to talk about balance then others

its pretty obvious who does

 

[Omni]

okay, new project.

can someone tell me like the fastest/strongest openers with Terran vs. T, Z, and P?

i literally just want to master 1 really strong BO against each race. ive noticed in a lot of matches that early game i move way faster than them because my early game BO is refined very well from practicing on YABOT so much.

so im guessing its like:

vs. Zerg
- some kind of hellion rush
- some kind of bunker rush

vs. Protoss
- some kind of marauder rush

vs. Terran
- i have no idea

 

[Nasty_Nate]

Some terran openers I like are:

vs Zerg
2 rax pressure or expand

vs Protoss
1 rax expand

vs Terran
1 rax expand or banshees

All of these are extremely good builds. The better you get at the game the more often youll be doing expanding builds

 

[Zankoku]

It is impossible to understand something if you yourself are incapable of doing it?

Oh Ankoku you so silly.

The sooner you stop trying to exaggerate what I'm saying to try to make light of my posts and start trying to figure out what I'm actually saying, the sooner what you have to respond with will be actually relevant. But we know that'll never happen, right?

I'm not saying people have no reason to discuss how the game plays, but I can't really agree with rhan picking the patch change of the week to "quit the game until Blizzard fixes it" about. Hell, if, like a lot of people here, you only play one race and only know of the others through observation, I daresay that, yes, you indeed don't understand something that you have zero experience in.

 

[ArcNatural]

The sooner you stop trying to exaggerate what I'm saying to try to make light of my posts and start trying to figure out what I'm actually saying, the sooner what you have to respond with will be actually relevant. But we know that'll never happen, right?

I'm not saying people have no reason to discuss how the game plays, but I can't really agree with rhan picking the patch change of the week to "quit the game until Blizzard fixes it" about. Hell, if, like a lot of people here, you only play one race and only know of the others through observation, I daresay that, yes, you indeed don't understand something that you have zero experience in.

I think Rhan has also done this before to be fair lol. It's just how he comments on things. I find it ironic that a terran of all things is the player to say he is going to stop playing until they fix infestors. Would it hurt you to prep to have good spread before engagements, maybe not mass marine, use ghost like you do v protoss?

I do think the infestor buff is pretty strong. But until I see the stats of zerg winning % over all leagues for a month or 2 I'm not going to use my games or the few pro games I watched as my basis for how balanced a move is when it's first changed. I do kind of wish they kept the second change with it being a projectile spell, would of been a little harder/funner to use, but I guess they must of had issues with flying targets.

Infestors feel more like HT now in a sense. Where they do enough dmg to pay for themselves rather than being more of a defensive unit. Before it just took forever to kill stuff off (not sure if medivacs could heal marines out of 2 fungals back then but I doubt it). I do like that going infestors is a more intriguing option in the zerg standard builds.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Rhan just exaggerates too much. Just because he's done it before doesn't mean it's right haha. I agree with Ankoku, if you have a problem with something at this level of play, you should work to beat it instead of complaining.

 

[M@v]

The only balance thing I even have the issue with is toss late game. Its essentially over if it gets to that point. What I wouldn't mind seeing is amulet bought back, but its more BWish with only some of the energy so its not an insta storm, and colossi damage gets reduced to 10(+5) vs light. 2 attacks, so it would be 20 vs armored now and still full damage vs light. That way it still slaughters the masses of unarmored stuff(marines/hydras/lings/etc.), but its not AS effective vs armored units. It would encourage toss to get more immortals, because once colossi get out you almost never see immortals unless the opponent goes like mass tank or mass thor.

Hts are still good, but colossi are waaaaay better now.
This would also give toss 2 equally good late game tech path choices still.

 

[Omni]

IMO, I think everything is legit especially at our levels. Which is why I agree with Ankoku.

I compare it to things like when low/mid level players complain about Snake in Brawl, or Sagat in SF4. Whereas on the highest level complaints are usually meticulous and specific. SC2 constantly does balanced patches. If something is a bit off I don't think it is so detrimental that it would affect our skill level.

More times than not a player could be improving things about their own gameplay before blaming their lack of ability on gameplay changes.

lmfao @ april fools

Sn.ake in Br.awl

 

[Kenrawr]

i couldn't understand half of omni's post because of april fools

 

[M@v]

use . to get around the filters

 

[Zankoku]

SC2 does get patched a lot, though. I really like how 1.4.11 is looking.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/2568250#blog

 

[Omni]

Awes ome.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

my favorite:
Fixed a bug where Terran players were able to lose a game.

 

[M@v]

Its a true bug! I've been wanting them to fix it for a while now!

 

[Matt07]

Blizzard definitely does some of the best April Fools' Jokes within the gaming industry xD.

 

[victra♥]

rofllll

idra sees 5 halluc voids and 2 collus and ggs immediately vs huk xD

 

[adumbrodeus]

SC2 does get patched a lot, though. I really like how 1.4.11 is looking.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/2568250#blog

Teran's gonna be underpowered.

 

[M@v]

Some1 showed me a pic of what idra said afterwards. Huks like dude, then idras immediately like **** you. Then huk says he hallud everything ;P

 

[Zankoku]

Cynan vs Nasty_Nate has until Tuesday to finish. You know the consequences.

 

[Nasty_Nate]

im leaving SC2 idled

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Aka winning like me


I think i might go back to terran, i fooled around with them a bit in teams and i forgot how good it felt to just macro that hard

maybe ill random sometime soon

 

[Fernandez]

Naniwa is the new armada =D

 

[Matt07]

Naniwa was amazing this tournament, when I followed the MLG stream he went undefeated like 20 matches.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

he went 24-0 until grand finals. he won game one (25-0) then lost 2, then won 1 more to finish the tourney 26-2

 

[Octave]

Should I get this? I almost bought it at launch but decided against it and competitive play is terribly intimidating.

 

[Omni]

Should I get this? I almost bought it at launch but decided against it and competitive play is terribly intimidating.

Definitely.

The competitive play is VERY intimidating. But if you really just go into the game trying to have fun, you'll have a blast. Soak up losses and chaulk it up to experience. Just go into the game just having fun and doing what you want to do. And if you want to improve take things one step at a time. Learn your hotkeys. Learn shortcuts. Learn control groups. Learn how to macro. Learn the maps. And just go at it with an open mind and prepared to lose ALOT.

I've been getting back into the game for the past 3 weeks and I'm starting to see a lot of improvement in my game and it feels really good. But trust me. I had to go through a lot of losses that made me feel really well... bad. And it discouraged me from wanting to play cuz losing is discouraging. But once I stopped trying to just force it and played the game to have fun getting better just automatically came with it.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

^

Omni couldn't have said it better.

You'll enjoy SC2, Octave.

Smooth Criminal