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SlickWylde said:
I heard a rumor that the new Smash Bros will not be exlusive anymore (Since obviously because Nintendo is having a bad year, it means they're completely doomed, according to the interenet, and will be making games for other companies within the month) and that it will be Smash Bros Vs Playstation All Stars.
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Come on, this one makes too much sense when you think about it. Start with Smash, add item pickup button combination and maybe a third attack button (or B-smashes for everything), include gauge attacks without making them all and only OHKOs and you have a system that satisfies everybody. No way this is going to happen. Now Smash Bros. vs. Capcom sounds fairly more plausible as something that Sakurai would allow.
 
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8-peacock-8 said:
Nope. Just that a lot of them said no. (Kojima wanted Raiden instead of Snake and Capcom wanted Donte instead of Old Dante) But the ones that said they would love to have characters in (Companies that had characters relevant to Playstation history mind you) were ignored. (Oddworld Inhabitants being the big one)
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That is crazy to me... Like. It literally boggles the mind haha.
 
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8-peacock-8 said:
There's also this. The fact that Microsoft would ignore most of their own first party characters also. (They actually have a lot of these)

it's a good thing PSASBR was about a console history instead of a companies. So third parties were justified.....I WANT TO PLAY AS A BLUE RAY DISK NOW! GOD DAMN IT!
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It's astonishing that even with the third parties, they leave out Crash Bandicoot. What is with Sony and ditching their mascots all the time?
 
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Superyoshiom said:
It's astonishing that even with the third parties, they leave out Crash Bandicoot. What is with Sony and ditching their mascots all the time?
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They didn't leave him out intentionally. Activision said no to them. In fact, Superbot made it quite clear that they tried to get Crash and Spyro but couldn't. (A famous quote they said during an interview, "It takes two to tango")
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That is crazy to me... Like. It literally boggles the mind haha.
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Yeah. Superbot made a lot of bad decisions. But they at least tried to make a game. it was a decent first game in all honesty.

Fun Fact: Crystal Dynamics actually said they would love to have Lara Croft in the game but wanted the new Tomb Raider to come out first. (Sony and Superbot actually went to them to get Lara) So she was purposely held back by her company. So all the other NEEDED third parties were denied for the most part.
 
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8-peacock-8 said:
They didn't leave him out intentionally. Activision said no to them. In fact, Superbot made it quite clear that they tried to get Crash and Spyro but couldn't. (A famous quote they said during an interview, "It takes two to tango")

Yeah. Superbot made a lot of bad decisions. But they at least tried to make a game. it was a decent first game in all honesty.

Fun Fact: Crystal Dynamics actually said they would love to have Lara Croft in the game but wanted the new Tomb Raider to come out first. (Sony and Superbot actually went to them to get Lara) So she was purposely held back by her company.
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That was the problem. And one of the reason I feel bad for them.
Many of the choices they picked we're mostly due to being screwed over by the other companies (Raiden instead of Snake? Kojima. Dante using his infamous new look? Capcom).
 
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MisterVideoGaming said:
That was the problem. And one of the reason I feel bad for them.
Many of the choices they picked we're mostly due to being screwed over by the other companies (Raiden instead of Snake? Kojima. Dante using his infamous new look? Capcom).
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Pretty much.

Here's the game was SUPPOSE to look like.

http://community.us.playstation.com...OM-PSASBR/m-p/41824327/highlight/true#M486977

Oh and the ORIGINAL roster. No third parties but they probably had them planned.

 
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CosmicKirby said:
Why does this work SO much better with Mario?
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Probably because Mario's never really had a major reimagining. There are the Paper Mario games but they weren't meant as a reboot. In regards to this picture and 3D World, I hope these four become a team again in future games. It just works so well that it's a shame there was a 20+ year hiatus between them teaming up in a canon game.
 
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Fatmanonice said:
Probably because Mario's never really had a major reimagining. There are the Paper Mario games but they weren't meant as a reboot. In regards to this picture and 3D World, I hope these four become a team again in future games. It just works so well that it's a shame there was a 20+ year hiatus between them teaming up in a canon game.
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Well, the other thing about Paper Mario is that they kept the same character designs--and just flattened them. Mario characters are rarely if ever redesigned these days--they sometimes get new details or something, but it's not like they give Peach a scantily-clad, JRPG-esque outfit.
 
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All this PSASBR talk really makes me appreciate the unity experienced between Sakurai and Nintendo as far as Smash goes... he made some questionable calls and was probably forced in some instances to make calls he wouldn't otherwise, but compared to the experience over at Sony, it's damn near miraculous.
 
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Okay guys, seriously. None of this pertains to rumors or leaks. Take the Sonic/PSASBR/other off-topic talk elsewhere.
 
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Opossum said:
Okay guys, seriously. None of this pertains to rumors or leaks. Take the Sonic/PSASBR/other off-topic talk elsewhere.
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Well, let's face it. There's not much else to talk about.
...Unless you have something in mind?...
 
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MisterVideoGaming said:
Well, let's face it. There's not much else to talk about.
...Unless you have something in mind?...
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Simple solution: if there's no leak or rumor to talk about, don't post in this thread. It's common sense. You don't need to post here if it's unwarranted.
 
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Fatmanonice said:
Probably because Mario's never really had a major reimagining. There are the Paper Mario games but they weren't meant as a reboot. In regards to this picture and 3D World, I hope these four become a team again in future games. It just works so well that it's a shame there was a 20+ year hiatus between them teaming up in a canon game.
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When Super Mario 3D World was first announced at E3 2013, I was so happy because it was finally happening... that Nintendo is finally making a new platformer game that includes the original heroes from SMB2, complete with their unique abilities... it was what I was always requesting for whenever I was filling out Club Nintendo surveys after registering Mario games.
 
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The Drilling Juggernaut said:
What is this? Are there leaks mixed in with the sonic stuff? I missed them.
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Pretty sure that was just a joke, considering 4 newcomers have already been revealed.
I don't believe there were any other leaks mixed in with sonic boom stuff.

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Journalist Leak - Comprised of a "final roster" without Rosalina or Toon Link.
Reddit Leak - Claims that Rosalina is an Assist Trophy.
ThatWasPeachy False Leak - Self-explanatory.
Wegenbarth False Leak - See above.
APC99 False Leak - See above.
Occopicus Leak - Fortanono fake.
60 Character Roster Leak - Someone in this thread (don't remember) confessed to making it.
splat False Leak - Self-explanatory.
MisterVideoGaming False Leak - See above.
Competitive Arsehole Friend Leak - Clever analysis by Groose indicates that numbers-based poster username spells out "'Tis Fake!"
Early February 2013 Crap Leak - Claims that "Mega Man is off the table."
Smashboardian Leak That I Think Fortanono Made Leak - I was correct.
legendofrob1 False Leak - Self-explanatory.
Illiterate Leak (#2) - Said that Captain Falcon would be revealed on January 21st.
Toots Leak - Leaker admitted it was fake
Character Model Leak - Some models were incorrect (I think)
Mr. Prediction Leak - Said that Shulk would be revealed on January 30th.
Hanafuda Leak - Said Lucario was cut.
Basty Leak - Also said that Lucario was cut.
Sandbag Leak - Said that Sandbag would be revealed on January 31st.
Really Short Leak - Lucario was revealed before Captain Falcon.
Frostwraith Leak - Self-explanatory.
Sakura Leak - Says that "Smash 5" is already in development by a different studio, when Sakurai has stated that SSBU and SSB3DS are Smash 4 and 5.
Sesquin Leak - Stated that Spear Pillar would return, but Palkia (major stage element of Spear Pillar) has been confirmed as a pokeball Pokemon.

Live:

Jumpman Leak
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  • Exclusion of Mewtwo, Dixie, Mii, Jumpman, ROB or Lucario
  • Inclusion of Snake
  • Roster exceeding "around 40 characters"
  • Exclusion of Bowser Jr. Assist Trophy
  • Exclusion of Cannon Box item

Betternet Roster Leak
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  • Inclusion of Ike, Lucas, Wolf, Snake, Pokemon Trainer with Brawl Pokemon
  • Inclusion of newcomer who is not Dixie, Toon Zelda, Palutena, Krystal, Chrom & Lucina, Mii, Little Mac, Takamaru, or Pacman
  • Exclusion of any non-listed Brawl veteran or Mewtwo
  • Mewtwo using a Mega Form, not using "Psycho Break" Final Smash
  • Zelda/Sheik or Samus/ZSS transformations being changed
  • Pokemon Trainer's Final Smash not being "Tri-Pledge" or "Triple Pledge"
  • Pacman and/or Ganondorf not being shown at an E3 2014 Nintendo Direct
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GameFAQs PM Leak *
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  • Exclusion of "Super Amazing Wagon Adventure U" stage
  • Exclusion of "Buffalo Buffalo Buffalo Buffalo Buffalo Buffalo Buffalo Buffalo" Assist Trophy
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NotSakurai Leak *
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  • Exclusion of Barrel Cannon, Tiki's Tear, or Baby Yoshi items
  • Exclusion of Lor Starcutter (Wii U), Pokemon World Tournament (3DS), Chimera Factory (3DS), 8-Bit Ice Climber (Wii U and 3DS), Prison Island (Wii U) stages
  • Inclusion of any Melee stage aside from Battlefield and Final Destination
  • Exclusion of Sallya, Tails or Magnus Assist Trophies
  • Exclusion of My Unit, Shulk, or Ridley
  • Inclusion of Pokemon who is not playable in Brawl or Mewtwo, or Roy or Young Link
  • Inclusion of another Mario character
  • Exclusion of Dr. Mario skin for Mario
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Four Revealed Newcomer Info Leak
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  • Any listed move for Villager, WFT, Mega Man and Rosalina behaving opposite to description
  • Exclusion of Sheik transformation
  • Phantom being anything but an Assist Trophy
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Illiterate Leak (#1) *
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  • Exclusion of Lor Starcutter (Wii U), Pokemon World Tournament (3DS), or Prison Island (Wii U) stages
  • Exclusion of Rosalina (lol), Little Mac, Mii, Shulk, Anna, Pacman, Palutena, Mewtwo, Ness, Dedede (lol), Jigglypuff, Yoshi, Ganondorf or Falco
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Generic Short New Namco Leak
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  • Exclusion of Mii, Ike, Ness, ROB, Little Mac, K. Rool, Mewtwo
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New Nintendo Direct Stuff Leak
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  • Disconfirmation of existence of or details about listed game titles
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Neoseeker Leak (#1)
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  • Disconfirmation of Ridley, Little Mac
  • Disconfirmation of Metroid, Anthony Higgs, Nabbit, Toadsworth, Kamek, Cranky, Tingle, Beedle, Tom Nook, or Hector Assist Trophies
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Neogaf Rumor
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  • Target release date that is not spring
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Supposed ChaosZero Leak
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  • Inclusion of Ridley as anything but a stage hazard
  • Inclusion of Dixie as a partner of Diddy
  • Inclusion of King K Rool
  • Online mode without the ability to host rooms with certain items enable/disabled
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Spacechannel5 Leak
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  • Exclusion of Mii, Dixie Kong, Toon Zelda/Tetra, Bayonetta, Pac-Man, and Chrom as characters
  • Inclusion of Ridley as anything but a stage hazard
  • Exclusion of Falco, Ness, Lucas, Jigglypuff, Yoshi, or Ike
  • Inclusion of Snake or Jigglypuff
  • Exclusion of Audino as a pokeball and Lucina as an assist trophy
  • Planned release date that is not June
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Naryol Leak
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  • Inclusion of Geno or Goku
  • Roster with more or less than 42 characters
  • More or less than 3 third parties
  • Inclusion of Ridley, King K Rool, or Bowser Jr. as playable characters
  • Exclusion of Lucario or R.O.B
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E Gadd Leak
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  • Exclusion of Professor E Gadd, Tingle, and Dixie Kong (as her own character)
  • Exclusion of Zero Suit Samus, Sheik, and Ganondorf
  • Exclusion of Bowser Jr, King Boo, Hammer Bro, Waluigi, Kat & Ana, Kamek, Cranky Kong, Midna and Wolf Link, Beedle, and Metroid assist trophies
  • Inclusion of Lakitu assist trophy
  • Inclusion of Ridley as anything but a boss
  • Inclusion of King K Rool as anything but a stage element
  • Exclusion of Gangplank Galleon stage
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Three Post Leak/Tabuu Leak
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  • More or less than 59 characters in the game (including transformations)
  • More or less than 53 character slots on the roster
  • Exclusion of any Brawl Character
  • Zero Suit Samus not able to be selected at the character select screen
  • Jigglypuff not having a moveset with elements from her new Fairy type
  • Snake not being revealed in a Nintendo Direct that will announce a Metal Gear Wii U game.
  • Inclusion of Pokemon Trainer whose Pokemon do not include Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Blaziken.
  • Inclusion of stamina for the Pokemon Trainer
  • Exclusion of Dr. Mario, Roy, Mewtwo, and Pichu
  • Exclusion of a Dr. Luigi alt for Dr. Mario
  • Exclusion of Drawing Link/Young Link, Charizard/Mega Charizard X, King K Rool, RIdley, Palutena, Robin/Avatar, Little Mac, Mii, Pac-Man, or Tabuu
  • Exclusion of female alt for Robin/Avatar
  • Exclusion of Sakurai, Iwata, Miyamoto, and Reggie default Miis.
  • Exclusion of Shulk assist trophy
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Souta Satou Leak
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  • Exclusion of Captain Falcon, Diddy Kong, Falco, Ness, Ganondorf, Ice Climbers, Meta Knight, Mewtwo, Mr. Game and Watch, Wario, or Yoshi
  • Exclusion of Palutena, Jill, Little Mac, Charizard (as own character), Ridley, Chrom, Shulk, or Dixie Kong
  • Inclusion of Ike, Wolf, Snake, Jigglypuff, Pokemon Trainer, Lucas, or R.O.B
  • Inclusion of a newcomer not mentioned above
  • Exclusion of Zelda's transformation
  • More or less than 40 characters
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Glass Joe Leak
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  • Exclusion of Waluigi, Tingle, Midna, Magolor, Andross, Medusa, Glass Joe, Chibi Robo, or Isaac assist trophy.
  • Exclusion of Ganondorf, Mewtwo, Jigglypuff, Diddy and Dixie, Meta Knight, Falco, Palutena, Chrom, Little Mac, Ness, and Captain Falcon.
  • Inclusion of King K Rool, Pokemon Trainer, Ridley (as anything but a stage hazard), Wolf, Ike, and Lucas.
  • Inclusion of the Mr. Saturn item.
  • Exclusion of a Kirby's Epic Yarn stage.
  • Diddy Kong not being reveal on February 13th
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GaeozHero Leak
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  • Exclusion of Diddy Kong and Palutena.
  • Exclusion of a Minecart Madness (Wii U) stage.
  • Exclusion of "Ms. Tetris" (character apparently uses Tetris blocks and other puzzle related things to fight).
  • Diddy Kong and Ms. Tetris not being revealed this month.
  • Exclusion of a Master Ball and Lip's Stick item.
  • Exclusion of Shadow Moses Island.
  • Adventure mode not having a desert level, a factory level, and a volcano level.
  • Zelda not being able to summon a controllable helper.
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IGN Leak (#1)
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  • Exclusion of Jigglypuff, My Unit from Fire Emblem, Ridley, Blaziken, Isaac, and Palutena
  • Diddy Kong not being revealed on February 13th
  • Ike not being revealed "around February 22nd"
  • Exclusion of Lyn, Gaius, Idenn, and Bandanna Dee assist trophies.
  • Lucario not having his Mega Evolution in his moveset
  • Exclusion of Goodra, Talonflame, Flabebe, Espurr, and Xerneas pokeball pokemon
  • Exclusion of five person play on the Wii U version
  • Inclusion of "cloned" final smashes
  • Roster with less than 50 characters
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Sound Guy Leak
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  • Characters (other than maybe Meta Knight...unclear) getting unique victory themes
  • Exclusion of Yoshi, Wario, Ice Climbers, Game & Watch, R.O.B., Captain Falcon, or Snake
  • Addition of a newcomer from any of the above veterans' series
  • Exclusion of a character from Punch Out!!, Nazo no Murasame Jo or Chibi-Robo (Little Mac, Takamaru, and Chibi-Robo, most likely)
  • Exclusion of Ike or Chrom
  • Inclusion of Roy
  • Chrom not being revealed in mid-April around Fire Emblem's anniversary
  • Exclusion of Ridley, Palutena, or K. Rool
  • K. Rool not being revealed at E3 2014
  • Exclusion of Falco or Wolf
  • Falco not getting reworked (possibly with an Arwing Final Smash...unclear)
  • Exclusion of Home-Run Contest, Break the Targets, or Board the Platforms
  • Different announcers between Wii U and 3DS
  • Exclusion of Mewtwo
  • Inclusion of Waluigi or Andross as anything other than Assist Trophies
  • Diddy not being the next revealed character
  • Exclusion of a talking Lucina
  • Exclusion of Drake Redcrest's theme, Champion Battle (XY), or Bumpy March as BGMs
  • Inclusion of Shulk as anything other than an Assist Trophy
  • Exclusion of Xenoblade stage on the Wii U
  • A newcomer not being revealed in February ("most likely" Palutena)
  • Game & Watch not being the next veteran revealed after Diddy
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Every time someone describes a playable Ridley as "amazing" in a leak, I just kind of don't understand it.

It's pretty damn obvious what one would have to do to make him playable, I don't see why people think it's so unfathomable to imagine without seeing it. Maybe that's just me though.
 
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Palutena using pit's staff moves? Sounds horrible along with Toon Zelda. Yeah, not much needs to be said here, but at least it is something to spur a little more on topic conversation for a short time
 
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