SSB4 Rumours and Leaks

[Johnknight1]

Sakurai said he'd only add in Miis if it was a casual game.

Sakurai never said that. Also, Miis are literally all but confirmed. You can deny it all you want, but the evidence says otherwise:
1. The E3 rumor is probably legit.
2. The Find Mii stage.
3. The Miis are the most well known Nintendo characters left (and the only S-tier Nintendo characters not playable in a Smash Bros. game yet) seals the deal.

Edit: Also, the only practically guaranteed characters for Brawl (in the pre-Brawl days) were Pit, Meta Knight, Wario, Diddy Kong, King Dedede, and Olimar.

I'dd add Lucario and Sonic (the latter after Snake was confirmed at least). Also, was some little iffiness on Meta Knight and Pit before the reveal trailer, but not a ton.

I still can't forgive how they ruined Ninja Gaiden's fast-reaction based platformey gameplay.

The 1st remake game I liked and I gave them a pass. The 2nd one I kinda give them a pass. The 3rd=??? Burn that heretic AT THE STAKE!!!

I just don't like it when so many games try to be Devil May Cry.

More like a poor man's poor wanna be Devil May Cry.

 

[Golden Icarus]

Takamaru is pretty much the poster boy for retro Nintendo games at this point.

I don't think any retro Nintendo character is more of a "poster boy" than this guy.

 

[DraginHikari]

I don't think any retro Nintendo character is more of a "poster boy" than this guy.

No he's just the one we wanted to beat up on the most, big difference. >>

 

[SirGalvan]

Was looking at the op didn't know we were considering the E3 Leak as dead

 

[lightdasher]

Sakurai never said that. Also, Miis are literally all but confirmed. You can deny it all you want, but the evidence says otherwise:
1. The E3 rumor is probably legit.
2. The Find Mii stage.
3. The Miis are the most well known Nintendo characters left (and the only S-tier Nintendo characters not playable in a Smash Bros. game yet) seals the deal.

1. What E3 Rumor? Elaborate this more please, not everyone knows every rumour
2. I guess that meant that Villager was playable in Brawl then because of the Smashville stage.
3. They're not a character, they're an online avatar for yourself like many other things.

I couldn't find the interview in which Sakurai said he wouldn't add miis, because I just keep getting the Palutena leak for some reason, stupid Google, but I found this http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/wii/wiiparty/0/1

 

[dezeray112]

1. What E3 Rumor? Elaborate this more please, not everyone knows every rumour
2. I guess that meant that Villager was playable in Brawl then because of the Smashville stage.
3. They're not a character, they're an online avatar for yourself like many other things.

I couldn't find the interview in which Sakurai said he wouldn't add miis, because I just keep getting the Palutena leak for some reason, stupid Google, but I found this http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/wii/wiiparty/0/1

I think this is referring to the rumor with Little Mac, Pacman and Mii supposed to be shown. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[lightdasher]

I think this is referring to the rumor with Little Mac, Pacman and Mii supposed to be shown. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Text or an image?

 

[Deleted member]

Think about the timeframe prior to Brawl's "finalization" on the roster (July 2005). Now think of today.

There's a huge difference in how Miis were handled back then compared to now. With that in mind, Sakurai's viewpoints on them could have easily changed to reflect what's true today as opposed to back then.


On another note, wasn't there that one "leak" that said we'd get Sandbag tomorrow?

If it hadn't been discredited already, smells like we got another leak discrediting coming soon....

 

[dezeray112]

Text or an image?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=62304489&postcount=2996

"Last week, Gematsu was tipped off about Nintendo’s E3 character reveals for Super Smash Bros. But since we were unable to confirm the validity of our source, we refrained from posting the information. Of the six characters we were told would be revealed, three have been confirmed: Mega Man, Animal Crossing Villager, and Wii Fit Trainer. The three left remaining are Little Mac, Pac-Man, and your Mii."

Source: http://gematsu.com/2013/06/wii-fit-trainer-joins-super-smash-bros

Is this the rumor you're referring to?

 

[lightdasher]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=62304489&postcount=2996

"Last week, Gematsu was tipped off about Nintendo’s E3 character reveals for Super Smash Bros. But since we were unable to confirm the validity of our source, we refrained from posting the information. Of the six characters we were told would be revealed, three have been confirmed: Mega Man, Animal Crossing Villager, and Wii Fit Trainer. The three left remaining are Little Mac, Pac-Man, and your Mii."

Source: http://gematsu.com/2013/06/wii-fit-trainer-joins-super-smash-bros

Someones guess counts as a leak?

 

[_fiercedeity]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=62304489&postcount=2996

"Last week, Gematsu was tipped off about Nintendo’s E3 character reveals for Super Smash Bros. But since we were unable to confirm the validity of our source, we refrained from posting the information. Of the six characters we were told would be revealed, three have been confirmed: Mega Man, Animal Crossing Villager, and Wii Fit Trainer. The three left remaining are Little Mac, Pac-Man, and your Mii."

Source: http://gematsu.com/2013/06/wii-fit-trainer-joins-super-smash-bros

The thing that makes that leak still credible was that it included Wii Fit Trainer. Who could've guessed she would be playable?

 

[SirGalvan]

Text or an image?

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The only image rumor that has held up in any way is the Palutena rumor

 

[Dinoman96]

Someones guess counts as a leak?

Wii Fit Trainer is a pretty damn hard thing to guess. And MM and Villager weren't hugely likely either.

 

[Deleted member]

The thing that makes that leak still credible was that it inckuded Wii Fit Trainer. Who could've gussed she would be playable?

Not just Wii Fit Trainer, the fact he literally "guessed" half of those characters.
And the fact Villager was one of them, after what Sakurai said in regards to Animal Crossing characters in Brawl.

Wii Fit Trainer was already a hard sale; combining Villager and even Mega Man (not to say he was hard to believe as well, but to correctly "guess" him ALONG with the other two)? That's more than coincidence. At least how I see it.

 

[lightdasher]

Wii Fit Trainer is a pretty damn hard thing to guess. And MM and Villager weren't hugely likely either.

Winning the lottery is a pretty damn hard thing to do as well, but when someone wins you don't assume they knew the numbers do you?

 

[_fiercedeity]

Winning the lottery is a pretty damn hard thing to do as well, but when someone wins you don't assume they knew the numbers do you?

That comparison is a bit of a stretch lol

 

[Deleted member]

There's a difference between winning the lottery and correctly "guessing" two bizarre characters on top of a sketchy third one (at least how I saw Mega Man). Let alone mere hours before it happens.

It's clear he had legit information. However, the only thing we don't know is if said legit info was just Villager/Mega Man/Wii Fit Trainer, or if Little Mac/Pac-Man/Mii is also legit, but not when they would be revealed.

 

[lightdasher]

There's a difference between winning the lottery and correctly "guessing" two bizarre characters on top of a sketchy third one (at least how I saw Mega Man). Let alone mere hours before it happens.

It's clear he had legit information. However, the only thing we don't know is if said legit info was just Villager/Mega Man/Wii Fit Trainer, or if Little Mac/Pac-Man/Mii is also legit, but not when they would be revealed.

So if I just randomly guessed 3 characters and they all turned out to be revealed, would I have legit information? No, because I guessed.

Is there anything else by this person? Did he claim to have information? Because that one post alone wouldn't convince me he knew anything.

 

[Pyra]

Think about the timeframe prior to Brawl's "finalization" on the roster (July 2005). Now think of today.

There's a huge difference in how Miis were handled back then compared to now. With that in mind, Sakurai's viewpoints on them could have easily changed to reflect what's true today as opposed to back then.


On another note, wasn't there that one "leak" that said we'd get Sandbag tomorrow?

If it hadn't been discredited already, smells like we got another leak discrediting coming soon....

If Ultra HD Sandbag is not the next veteran reveal I will refuse to buy the games.

 

[_fiercedeity]

So if I just randomly guessed 3 characters and they all turned out to be revealed, would I have legit information? No, because I guessed.

Is there anything else by this person? Did he claim to have information? Because that one post alone wouldn't convince me he knew anything.

I get your point, but c'mon. This was in no way a coincidence or lucky guess.

 

[Deleted member]

So if I just randomly guessed 3 characters and they all turned out to be revealed, would I have legit information? No, because I guessed.

Is there anything else by this person? Did he claim to have information? Because that one post alone wouldn't convince me he knew anything.

It appears you're missing the big picture.

He didn't just randomly "guess" the characters. Why do you think I kept putting that in quotes?
He had received a tip from an anonymous source weeks prior (established leaker Caw Evolution verifies this is accurate) and, not believing it, posted the list on NeoGaf as his set of "predictions" as a joke. When half ended up being true, he then made the article.

If Ultra HD Sandbag is not the next veteran reveal I will refuse to buy the games.

I guess you're not buying the games then, since Sandbag would be listed as a "Newcomer".

 

[lightdasher]

It appears you're missing the big picture.

He didn't just randomly "guess" the characters. Why do you think I kept putting that in quotes?
He had received a tip from an anonymous source weeks prior (established leaker Caw Evolution verifies this is accurate) and, not believing it, posted the list on NeoGaf as his set of "predictions" as a joke. When half ended up being true, he then made the article.

Any link to this "anonymous source" ?

 

[Wario Bros.]

Just reread the Sandbag on January 31 rumor. It states that Wario will be revealed March 21 "three days before Mario Kart 8 release."

Mario Kart 8 has been confirmed for a May release sooooooooooooooo...

 

[Knight Dude]

Did we get any leaks about specific character release dates? I know that one dude said something about Dedede and Diddy Kong. Which most of us could have guessed ourselves. But I haven't heard much else when it came to the likes of that.

Just reread the Sandbag on January 31 rumor. It states that Wario will be revealed March 21 "three days before Mario Kart 8 release."

Mario Kart 8 has been confirmed for a May release sooooooooooooooo...

Heh. Well that fell flat rather quick, didn't it.

 

[Deleted member]

Any link to this "anonymous source" ?

Do you not know what "anonymous" means?


The only thing that I can give you is CAW Evolution's verification.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u/66442330

 

[Miles Pierre]

Any link to this "anonymous source" ?

Reposting this for you:

I reactivated my account from 6+ years ago just for this.

Because so many people on Smashboards seem a bit ignorant or confused as to what happened I will clarify the events surrounding the E3 leaker.

1. This post was made by Salromano before e3:


2. Sal Romano is an editor on a site called Gematsu. After the E3 reveals he posted this article, here is an excerpt:



That is what happened. The only question is was he lying about being tipped off -- or if the person who tipped them off was a fake. If he was tipped off, they weren't guesses at all. Instead of posting possibly fake rumors on what I'm sure Sal would like to be a legitimate place for gaming news, he opted to post them on Neogaf as a "guess".

You can find his twitter here: https://twitter.com/SalRomano

Anyway I hope that clears up confusion. Kind of frustrating as a lurker seeing people go round and round on this when all it took was a google search of the E3 leaker's Neogaf username.

 

[Deleted member]

Just reread the Sandbag on January 31 rumor. It states that Wario will be revealed March 21 "three days before Mario Kart 8 release."

Mario Kart 8 has been confirmed for a May release sooooooooooooooo...

Well, that settles that. Ironically, this is the 2nd "leak" that was discredited within 2 days prior to the first date that would make or break it.

 

[lightdasher]

Still sounds like one big coincidence to me, supposedly this anonymous said that Mii, Pacman and Little mac would be shown at the reveal as well, and WFT wasn't in the reveal, she was shown after.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Still sounds like one big coincidence to me, supposedly this anonymous said that Mii, Pacman and Little mac would be shown at the reveal as well, and WFT wasn't in the reveal, she was shown after.

He just said they'd be shown at E3, not necessarily the initial reveal trailer.

 

[Deleted member]

Still sounds like one big coincidence to me, supposedly this anonymous said that Mii, Pacman and Little mac would be shown at the reveal as well, and WFT wasn't in the reveal, she was shown after.

It was said that they'd be revealed at E3.
It did not say they would all be revealed at the same time.

 

[Miles Pierre]

Still sounds like one big coincidence to me, supposedly this anonymous said that Mii, Pacman and Little mac would be shown at the reveal as well, and WFT wasn't in the reveal, she was shown after.

Gaf doesn't take too kindly to liars. If he said that he was leaked that information then I'm inclined to believe him. You don't have people on Gaf lying about things like you do here on SmashBoards or Gamefaqs. Mods will perma ban you really quick for that crap. Not to mention he has been a member for a long time, and you need to have a paid email address to even register and you still might not get approved. A gaf account is very valuable and no one's gonna start lying about being tipped off if they weren't. Especially on a long standing account.

Also you may not realize this but Gaf has the most industry insiders I've seen on any site. Cliffy B posts there often. Frank O'Connor (Bungie), even major nelson. And to tell you how serious gaf is they perma banned famous dev dennis dyack and most recently David Jaffe. So yes. When people leak stuff on gaf I listen.

 

[lightdasher]

It was said that they'd be revealed at E3.
It did not say they would all be revealed at the same time.

Well as you can clearly see, E3 has passed, and I don't see Mii, Little Mac or Pacman, unless the leaker, for some reason, meant 2014 E3

 

[Substitution]

Gaf doesn't take too kindly to liars. If he said that he was leaked that information then I'm inclined to believe him. You don't have people on Gaf lying about things like you do here on SmashBoards or Gamefaqs. Mods will perma ban you really quick for that crap. Not to mention he has been a member for a long time, and you need to have a paid email address to even register and you still might not get approved. A gaf account is very valuable and no one's gonna start lying about being tipped off if they weren't. Especially on a long standing account.

Also you may not realize this but Gaf has the most industry insiders I've seen on any site. Cliffy B posts there often. Frank O'Connor (Bungie), even major nelson. And to tell you how serious gaf is they perma banned famous dev dennis dyack and most recently David Jaffe. So yes. When people leak stuff on gaf I listen.

*Implying it just wasn't just a good liar*

 

[BluePikmin11]

Well as you can clearly see, E3 has passed, and I don't see Mii, Little Mac or Pacman, unless the leaker, for some reason, meant 2014 E3

Wasn't the DKC:TF suppose to be revealed at E3 2012?
Remember the Retro game that was scrapped off the conference last minute?
I think it indicates that not everything will be revealed in E3.

 

[Substitution]

Wasn't the DKC:TF suppose to be revealed at E3 2012?
Remember the Retro game that was scrapped off the conference last minute?
I think it indicates that not everything will be revealed in E3.

...Which one?

 

[lightdasher]

Wasn't the DKC:TF suppose to be revealed at E3 2012?
Remember the Retro game that was scrapped off the conference last minute?
I think it indicates that not everything will be revealed in E3.

I don't remember any of these things actually.

 

[Snagrio]

Sandbag will be revealed tomorrow, as an item.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Oh I found the link:
http://www.insidegamingdaily.com/2012/06/07/e3-2012-reggie-on-retro-studios-no-show/

 

[Miles Pierre]

Well as you can clearly see, E3 has passed, and I don't see Mii, Little Mac or Pacman, unless the leaker, for some reason, meant 2014 E3

oh geez ...
There are plenty of articles about the Big 3 doing last minute changes to their presentations. For instance, Microsofts presentation and Sony's presentation last year. It's completely conceivable that Nintendo decided to hold back on the other three and save them for next years event.

 

[Substitution]

Oh I found the link:
http://www.insidegamingdaily.com/2012/06/07/e3-2012-reggie-on-retro-studios-no-show/

...Ah...
Well you never know.
Especially how the Wii U is right now, they might...