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Morbi

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I don't see why no leak has Isaac in it. I know I won't shut up about him but I still feel its realistic to say he has a bigger chance compared to other newcomers.
Ultimately, the leaker's goal is to make the list believable. The more recognizable the characters on the list, the more likely the leak is real. I mean trust me, if I leaked a list that had...

Black Shadow, Meowth, Lucina, Bandanna Dee, Hades, Waluigi, Krystal, and Tingle... nobody would believe it.

Ridley, K. Rool, Dixie Kong, Little Mac, Palutena, Mewtwo, Shulk, and Takamaru... more people believe it, even if some notice that it is blatantly fake as it is too fan orientated.

So Isaac, while being a character that I also believe to be fairly likely, isn't going to incite anyone to believe your cause. So they don't add him as he doesn't contribute. Sometimes they will try to add more obscure characters in an attempt to make the list more plausible. Again, Isaac isn't an obscure character that is entirely unlikely. So he gets no love.
 

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This will probably be an unpopular opinion, but...

The reason I don't think Isaac is likely, is because I get the feeling Sakurai probably doesn't see GS, and a lot of other series suggested here (Such as S&P and Dillon's Rolling Western) as playable material.

Look at Starfy for example. He has a good five games, a bit more so than series like Pikmin and Kid Icarus. And yet, it's been confirmed that all he will be is an AT in Smash 4 (Meanwhile, SF has about the same amount of games and has gotten three whoppin' characters haha), just as he was in Brawl. What I'm driving to here is that, what it seems like to me is that Sakurai wants more low key second party series like GS and S&P represented through ATs, while keeping the main playable roster dedicated to major first party series (Some exceptions of course, such as Pokemon, but that's also among Nintendo's biggest success stories). But that's just my feeling.
 

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Its getting awfully close to the 30th, and still no word on a Nintendo Direct. Think Nintendo will skip January and wait for February?
 

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Even if shulk has actually been revealed on the 30th, I still wouldn't have believed this "Mr. Preiction" guy . But Miis being playable, sounds like something dumb that Sakurai would actually do.
 

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Even if shulk has actually been revealed on the 30th, I still wouldn't have believed this "Mr. Preiction" guy . But Miis being playable, sounds like something dumb that Sakurai would actually do.
Am I the only one that swears that I've heard or seen an interview where it's explained why Mii is a bad choice? I might have just made this conclusion up after hearing criteria of adding a character or something, I dunno.
 

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Am I the only one that swears that I've heard or seen an interview where it's explained why Mii is a bad choice? I might have just made this conclusion up after hearing criteria of adding a character or something, I dunno.
In that same interview, Sakurai stated why Villager was a bad choice.

His mind has changed.
 

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Am I the only one that swears that I've heard or seen an interview where it's explained why Mii is a bad choice? I might have just made this conclusion up after hearing criteria of adding a character or something, I dunno.
Who knows, I just very recently started following smash news again, so I most likely have missed many important details. Unless there was some standardized size for the Miis, then I figure that they wouldn't work very well at all either.

Edit: damn swamp ninja
 

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Hm, predictor said Takamaru's symbol was a katana. But I would assume they would just use the throwing star symbol from nintendoland since its been establish and will help with the connection for casuals.
 

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Hm, predictor said Takamaru's symbol was a katana. But I would assume they would just use the throwing star symbol from nintendoland since its been establish and will help with the connection for casuals.
Casuals aren't stupid...

Oh neat, would you happen to have a link?
Thinking back. I was incorrect. It wasn't the same interview. Still... He has changed his mind about Villager, I'd imagine the same for Miis.
 

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Groose and Curmudgeon helped compile the following list.
KEY:
  • GREEN - Confirmed true
  • RED - Confirmed fake
  • YELLOW - Special cases
  • CYAN- Pending confirmation
1) Neogaf E3 Unknown Leaker
Claims:

  • Wii Fit Trainer, Little Mac, "Animal Crossing Guy", Pac-Man, Mega Man, and Miis were to be shown at E3 2013. (Villager, Megaman and Wii Fit Trainer were announced at E3, half of it was wrong though.)
2) InfiniteGTX
Claims:
1st Post:
  • Little Mac will be a playable character
  • Break the Targets courses divided per franchise
  • Home-Run contest, Event Matches and Adventure Mode will return
  • Home-Run contest and Event Matches will stay relatively the same
  • Adventure Mode will lean closer to Melee's version
  • Adventure Mode will have a much heavier character involvement than Melee's
  • Adventure Mode will be more important on the 3DS
2nd Post:
  • The dev team is working on Mewtwo (This info. can't be proved)
  • Psystrike will probably be Mewtwo's final smash (Leaker wasn't specific)
  • Mewtwo can change to his Awakened form during battle
  • Changing modes will alter Mewtwo's speed, weight, mobility and damage
  • Lucario will probably return (Leaker wasn't specific)
  • A Pokémon rep will be the next character update on the Smash Bros. website (Luigi was updated on the website before the supposed Pokémon rep)
3rd Post:
  • Dixie Kong will be the third and final playable character from the DK franchise
  • Dixie won't be paired with Diddy nor she will be a clone, she's a unique character
  • Dixie has a floating mechanic similar to Peach's
  • King K. Rool will be a boss in Adventure Mode
  • K. Rool will be encountered multiple times as his various personalities
  • K. Rool is treated as a "less serious boss"
  • Fire Emblem will have 3 character slots: Marth, Ike and the duo, Chrom & Lucina
  • Chrom and Lucina have the most unique moveset out of any
  • Their specials will include each other but they have separate specials and a separate final smash
  • Roy won't be returning
  • Ice Climbers will stay
  • Board the Platforms will return and will be divided per franchise as Break the Targets
  • Stage Builder will return with huge upgrades, now you can edit the Z-plane
Notes: InfiniteGTX had an account on some forums with the same username where he created various blogs with pre-Brawl 2008 fake leaks. Among some other false things the leaks said that Krystal was going to be playable in Brawl and that Ganondorf will use his sword on his moveset. InfiniteGTX himself has confirmed that it is indeed his account but he said they were just blogs he saved from various popular rumours at the time to keep track of their validity.

InfiniteGTX's posts:
22 June 2013

This is an old GameFAQs account which I reactivated today. I don't believe I've posted often around here, but I want to clarify that I didn't just create this account all willy-nilly. I am close friends with a developer in Namco Bandai, the team which is helping develop the new Super Smash Bros. game to be released on Nintendo 3DS and Wii U next year. Super Smash Bros. has always held a special place in my heart for nostalgic reasons, so I made an effort to pry some information. Unfortunately, I don't have very much on characters, but what I was able to find out, I will share. Do not expect any form of validation or proof from my end, as that will put my friend's career at considerable risk.

I approached by asking if the wide-spread rumor regarding Little Mac, Mii, and Pac-Man was true; despite my repeated asking, he was only able to tell me that Little Mac is a definite playable character. He kept laughing and sighing when I asked about the other two. (This wasn't an in-person conversation, so I wasn't able to infer any non-verbal hints or clues.) Sorry, but I don't have any more on characters than that. I do, however, have a bit about some single player modes: Break the Targets will be making a comeback, and it will be handled in a compromised fashion to that of Brawl's style and its predecessors. What I mean by this is that the level designs will be broken up by franchise, and each character within that franchise will share that stage. He gave me the following example: "For instance, the Super Mario Bros. series might have a stage based on the Mushroom Kingdom, and both he and Bowser would share that stage." I asked him about characters who were stand-alone representatives for their games, and his only response was that he "couldn't say". I also asked if these stages would have varying levels of difficulty like in Brawl, to which he said, "At this point, there is only one difficulty setting."

Home-Run Contest, Event Matches, and Adventure Mode will also be returning. He had little to say about the first two (they will stay relatively the same as in previous installments), and he could not share much on Adventure Mode other than it leans closer to the style of Melee's version. Part of the reason he couldn't elaborate much on Adventure Mode--disregarding an obvious need for subtlety--is because the roster is "still being tweaked", implying much heavier character involvement as far as the story goes. Also, Adventure Mode will hold more importance on the 3DS version than on the home console. Not too sure what that entails, but I did get confirmation that it can still be accessed on both versions.

That's pretty much all the information I have. I don't have any confirmation on veteran characters, even the obvious ones. I asked him, "Why didn't they show Yoshi in the reveal trailer?" to which he only said, "I wonder!" Please keep in mind that my friend isn't exactly a high-up in the development team, but he's definitely in a position to where he'd be in the know. That said--judging from his tone of voice and scrupulous phrasing--I'd say there's still quite some bit that is unknown even to him. Take from that what you will. (I won't be making any replies, because I know how hectic topics like this can get. I'll post sometime later if I learn more, although that probably won't be for quite some time, if at all.)

19 July 2013

Previously, I made a post on this board containing some new information I learned from a close friend in the know: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u/66540992. (I am posting this here as to make it easier on you fellas to keep track of what's been said.) I promised that any new information I get I would share with you guys. Although I don't expect to be consistently fed information, as my friend and I rarely keep in touch, I managed to arrange a Skype call with him today, and I have some news.

Apparently the development team was just very recently given the go to start work on Mewtwo. Concept designs involve both his original and Awakened forms, the latter of which not being set as his Final Smash, contrary to popular speculation. (Right now, they are throwing around the idea of Psystrike being his Final Smash--a single-targeting attack.) Changing forms will not alter his moveset but rather his speed, weight, mobility, and damage. This concept is not finalized, as the development team is still seeking approval/counsel from GameFreak.

My friend finished our discussion on Mewtwo by saying, "His inclusion has nothing to do with Lucariobeing a playable character." I took that to mean thatLucario will be a returning character, despite both his and Mewtwo's neutral specials being the same. In hindsight, I probably should have nudged for some definite in-or-out clarification, but from the way things sound, Lucario will most likely stay for the new game.

Considering all of this, I asked if he could help me try and prove my credibility to you fellas. I thought a good way to do this would be for him to tell me the upcoming Miiverse photo to be revealed by Sakurai, but he said that Sakurai usually takes the photos the night before or the morning of, and so it usually cannot be predicted. Character updates, however, are all planned ahead of time: he said that a Pokemon representative would be the next character update on the Smash Bros. website. For some reason, he wouldn't tell me who, which leads me to believe that it is neither Lucario nor Mewtwo who will be the upcoming reveal. "Just wait and see!"

That's all that I have for the time being. As I mentioned beforehand, I'm not expecting to learn more on a frequent basis, but whenever I do manage to get a slice of information here and there, I will be sure to post. Like before, I will not be making any replies, because I know how posts like this are viewed in these kinds of communities.

4 August 2013
New information, new thread. To keep track of what's been said already, please read the previous two topics I've made on this board (http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u/66776281). It just so happens that the day I come to make a new post, GameFAQs is having a field day with trolls and supposed prophets. Because of that, maybe this isn't the best time to make a thread, but I'll be driving to Washington for a week tomorrow evening, so I figured I'd just get this out of the way.

I'm going to make this cut and dry, for the most part. I'd like to preface by stating clearly that I don't know everything about the game. I get my information from casual conversations with a friend, and that's it. I'm saying this because I've been getting private messages requesting I "make a nudge for [X] as a playable character" and asking I spill the details on certain franchise representation. Absolutely everything that I know up until this point is shared in my threads. (That's part of the reason I won't be making replies--I quite seriously have no additional information to provide.) That said, let's cut to the chase.

Dixie Kong will be the third and final playable character from the Donkey Kong franchise. She is not paired with Diddy Kong--nor is she a clone of him--but is her own, unique character. She has a jump mechanic similar to Peach's in that holding the jump button will cause her hair to twirl and will provide gradual vertical progression for a short time. From there you can keep holding the jump button to stall your fall time as you twirl. K. Rool is also in the game, but as a boss character. After being defeated the first time as King K. Rool, he returns a couple more times in Adventure mode as Kaptain K. Rool and then Baron K. Roolenstein. Despite how I feel about it, apparently he is treated as a less serious boss.

Fire Emblem will have not one, not two, but three individual character slots: Marth, Ike, and Chrom & Lucina. "There were less cuts than you think," is what I was told after hearing this. Regarding the latter, I was told that their moveset is "most unique out of any". Every time you use any one of your specials, that character will call upon the other, and the two will execute a simple combo; after the animation is done, the original character pulls back, and the supporter takes the reins. They both have their own separate set of standard moves, and they both have their own separate Final Smash. To clarify, their special moves are different from each other, but both will include the other in some way before switching them in. Further regarding the Fire Emblem franchise, I can--unfortunately--confirm that Roy will not be returning from Melee.

Now, I'm a big lurker, and I've also been reading the forums daily as the DOJO updates to see how the community responds. I noticed that a lot of you are concerned that Ice Climbers may be cut due to the expressed hardware limitations of the 3DS. Firstly, I'll just confirm for you that they're in. Secondly, I'd like to ease your mind with your concerns of the 3DS. The hardware isn't as limited as some people are making it out to be, and it has not had quite the dramatic effect on characters as some people are imagining. From what I've been told, the real and only true problem with the 3DS regarding characters is its small screens. Ice Climbers and Olimar, especially, have been tricky to handle due to how scrambled things appear on the screen with multiples of those characters. The game is still turning out fantastically, and any sort of character reduction will be mostly aesthetic.

Board the Platforms is returning, and precisely like how they've handled Break the Targets this time around, the levels will be divided per franchise. Stage Builderreturns from Brawl, too, with huge upgrades. You can now apparently place tiles in the Z-plane, not just the X- and Y-planes. There are three layers to the former plane, the furthest and nearest being purely anesthetic placements. These two layers will have their own set of tiles to choose from. The background can be changed, the tiles come in many different textures and shades, and the editor in a whole is "just a huge improvement all around." I'm still trying to learn more about other modes and features. That's all I have for the time being. If there's anything you'd like me to find out about, post about it in a reply and I'll try to bring it up next time I catch a conversation with my friend. See you around the boards.

Oh right, I almost forgot. Ridl--


3) WiiLuvU
Claims:
1st Post:
  • Dixie Kong would've been a Diddy Kong clone in Brawl (This info. can't be proved)
  • Toon Zelda and Tetra would've been a Zelda and Sheik clone in Brawl (This info. can't be proved)
  • Plusle and Minun would've been Ice Climbers clones in Brawl with electric-based attacks (This info. can't be proved)
  • The only character from the "Forbidden 7" that's been worked on is Dixie Kong
  • He bets Dixie will be revealed during the release of DKC: Tropical Freeze (February 2014)
  • Yellow Devil will be a stage hazard on Dr. Wily's castle
  • Wii Fit Trainer started as a joke between the creator of Wii Fit and Sakurai (This info. can't be proved)
  • Villager was requested to be the first character revealed at E3 in promotion of AC: New Leaf (This info. can't be proved)
  • The dev team wanted to reveal first Little Mac to showcase the game's speed (This info. can't be proved)
  • Little Mac's playstyle is very quick
  • The boxing ring stage is Little Mac's home stage
  • King Hippo from Punch-Out!! will be an assist trophy
  • The 3DS and Wii U versions will feature different assist trophies
  • There will be move customization where you can edit skills at the expense of other moves
  • The story mode will be halfway between Melee's mode and Brawl's Subspace Emissary
  • Each character does the same Adventure Mode
  • Bosses will return, Medusa from Kid Icarus will be a Boss
  • The game won't include any major DLC such as new characters and stages
  • There's a small chance Mewtwo won't make it into the game (Leaker wasn't specific)
2nd Post
  • The roster is going to be around 40 characters not counting transformations unless they delay the game
  • There are veterans that have low priority on the character list and popular characters that aren't even included
3rd Post
  • Ridley won't be playable again, too tough to balance, not even included in the initial list
  • King K. Rool is low priority among the newcomers, doesn't add anything unique
  • Dog and Hunter (from Duck Hunt) will be playable, you can't actually see the Hunter, he will attack with the zapper from the 4th wall
  • Paper Mario will be playable
  • Snake will be cut
  • Jigglypuff will be cut too
4th Post
  • Jigglypuff is being cut because her playstyle is too similar to the Villager's
  • Dixie Kong and Diddy Kong are now a tag team, similar to Zelda and Sheik
  • Dixie is lighter while Diddy is a bit heavier
  • Wii Fit Trainer is the most well-rounded character
  • Paper Mario's moveset is inspired by the Thousand-Year Door
  • Paper Mario is very light
  • Paper Mario will use a star rod in his final smash
  • Dog and Hunter will have an interactive duck-based moveset
Notes: There was a guy on the IGN boards with the username that said that the Wii U will come packed with Wii Sports U and Pikmin 3 will be titled Pikmin: Universe HD, among other false stuff. This guy had the same username as this leaker (WiiLuvU) and registered the same day 1 year apart the GameFAQs guy did. WiiLuvU has said the they are not the same person. Additionaly, InfiniteGTX (another leaker), has said WiiLuvU is a false leaker.

WiiLuvU's posts:
4 August 2013

You know, I've kept pretty quiet while waiting for this game. And honestly it's getting boring.

Where are the leaks? Where are the prophets? The trolls?

Even if they didn't turn out to be true, there were TONS during Brawl and it was always interesting to see who was right and who was wrong. It was especially fun for me because I knew a couple of things about the game and saw people who were blatantly lying. I didn't know everything though, and it was cool to see who was right and who was wrong.

Well. I'm in a position where I know a few things. And I'm thinking it's time I shook things up a bit. So, hey. It's my first day here. How's it going? Consider me the first real "leak" of Smash 4, commenting on some of the speculation I've seen. I'm totally a prophet. Totally a leaker. Here's what I know that they haven't told you yet about Smash Wii U/3DS:

First, there were absolutely plans to include the 'Forbidden Seven' in Brawl; however, they would have all ended up being clones with the exception of the Melee veterans. Under pressure from Nintendo, the team decided to include Sonic as opposed to including more characters around September/October 2007. Dixie Kong would have been a Diddy clone, Toon Zelda/Tetra a Zelda/Sheik clone, and Plusle/Minun an Ice Climbers clone. Wolf was originally part of this collective, but he was far along enough so that he was included anyways.

As far as I am aware, the only one of the above that will be appearing in Smash 4 as a playable character is Dixie Kong. I would bet money that she'll be revealed around the release of Tropical Freeze.

Yellow Devil in the Mega Man stage is actually one of the stage obstacles. He's not a boss, nor is he part of Mega Man's Final Smash.

Wii Fit Trainer started as a joke between Hiroshi Matsunaga, Wii Fit creator, and Sakurai, discussing what it would be like if the next Smash Bros. was played using a Balance Board. That's how he got the idea of the trainer being a character.

Villager was requested to be the first character revealed at E3 in promotion of the new Animal Crossing. However, the team wanted to reveal another character first instead--Little Mac--to showcase the faster speed of the game. Little Mac's play style is very quick, focusing on many hits in short-range combat with few truly 'powerful' moves. He would have fit very well in Melee.

The boxing ring stage is--as you would have guessed--Little Mac's 'home stage.' King Hippo will also be an Assist Trophy. By the way, similarly to the stages, the 3DS and the Wii U versions will feature some different Assist Trophies.

On character customization: move sets. The moves stay fundamentally the same, but with different tweaks similarly to how Ness and Lucas had the same moves but with different styles of play. These moves do not vary in power, but add different advantages. Fox's laser blaster is a good example: you can make his blaster fire more quickly, in different directions, longer, etc., but at the expense of other skills.

On story mode: think halfway between Melee's Adventure Mode and Subspace Emissary: each character does the same Adventure Mode. Bosses return, but one of the challenges has been picking bosses that each character would be okay with battling. In that vein, Medusa is a boss, but count out Bowser Jr as a boss since Bowser would never fight against him.

On DLC: the game will not include any major DLC content such as new characters or stages. The team intends to put out the game as close to finished as possible.

Finally, on Mewtwo: Mewtwo's on the short list. The way the roster works is they make an unrealistically long list of characters, then prioritize the ones they want in. The runoff usually make the next installment. For example, had there not been clones in Melee, Dedede would have been in. Mewtwo ranks pretty well, but there's still a small chance he won't make it.

That's all I got. (Raises shield)

Anyways, sorry, I was, as someone said, at dinner. I'm allowed to eat...does anyone want a picture of my dinner to confirm? :D

I'll comment on some other stuff--I know nothing about the website, so I can't tell you what's going to be revealed when. Also, you really want characters? I'd be careful. I can tell that they're not going for popularity/requests and more going for game balance.

I'll give you that crazy weird detail you wanted, but you're not going to like it...didn't want to share for a reason...

The roster is probably only going to be around 40 characters not counting transformations, maybe 1 or 2 more than that. I say this because it's not 100% who's made the cut and who hasn't yet--it all depends on how many are in before a hard deadline (unless they delay the game.) And there ARE some veterans who are pretty low priority. There are also a lot of characters that have strong followings that aren't even on the roster list, but I don't want to ruin anyone's good time this early before the game is released. People WILL be disappointed--it's a lot like how Sakurai said they're trying to keep as many veterans as they can but they just can't promise all of them.

So I can give characters, but you're not going to like it.

As for Plusle + Minun as Ice Climbers clones, I mean that in the sense that they had a very similar moveset, which could still be done without hammers. They were very light, some moves more powerful, others less powerful, and very fast. Any stunning moves were now electric-based and caused damage within their radius of attack. Think Pichu but actually usable and unable to damage itself.

Okay...at your own risk...

No Ridley again. Too tough to balance, not even listed.
K. Rool is pretty low priority. Doesn't add much unique.
Dog and Hunter (from Duck Hunt,) Paper Mario are in.
Snake is out. So is Jigglypuff.

11 August 2013

Don't expect anything else from me.
Apparently this is how some of the new characters play in Smash:

-Jigglypuff is being cut because her balance contribution is fairly similar to, believe it or not, Villager. Villager is powerful but easy to KO--also, his Up-B involves balloons and gives him a pretty decent flight time. Consider Balloon Fighter de-confirmed, in that case.

-What Mega Man lacks in speed and jump height he makes up for with an incredibly diverse move set (his main gimmick, if you will;) some moves have good range but low power, other moves are short-range and powerful, others are defensive, others are more offensive, etc.

-Dixie and Diddy are now a tag team; both have a similar move set but depending on who's leading, the impact of their moves will vary. Dixie's moves have a lighter, airy feel while Diddy's are more weighted. Diddy does not keep his entire moveset from Brawl.

-Wii Fit Trainer is the most well-rounded character in the game, being even in just about everything. She is a good character for beginners but is by no means a low-level difficulty character.

-Paper Mario's move set is largely inspired by The Thousand-Year Door, utilizing the paper airplane, roll-up paper tube, and more. He's SUPER light, but has a few moves that allow him to dodge other characters and become hard to hit. Not an easy character to master, but if you get him down, he's a tough one to beat. Final Smash involves using the Star Rod from the first game.

-Dog and Hunter works like this; Hunter is used to shoot down ducks, Dog uses them to attack. The player ultimately controls the dog and NOT the hunter. Neutral-B involves the hunter shooting down a duck for Dog to use; Dog can hold up to two ducks at a time. The number of ducks Dog has (zero, one, or two) affects his moves. Some moves are best with two ducks, others with one, and others with none. Dog can lose the ducks at times, which is why the Hunter exists. Not sure if this is exact, but it's close to this idea.



InfiniteGTX's post about WiiLuvU:

K. Rool is in the game as a boss character. The whole "low priority" side comment shows he's not aware how the character has already been used. To be honest, I actually logged on today to make another post, cause I've learned some new stuff. But when I logged on I saw all these leak threads and joke threads attributing them, and so I got kind of discouraged. When I read this guy's post, some parts of what he said were truth, which intrigued me. And to be completely honest, there's a lot about the game I don't know, so if I could validate his claims, then I could use him to fill some gaps in my own knowledge. That's what I was thinking.

I'll post later when things have simmered down on FAQs. Although I don't respond in my own threads, I do read every reply, and it's tiring to read the mockery. Seeing as there's several joke threads on "prophets" on the front page at this very moment, I think it's best I wait until tomorrow to post, or something.

Anyway, this guy's false. I'm not even going to comment on the "Dog & Hunter" thing.


4) Halibuton
Claims:

1st Post

  • The anniversary of Brawl's release date in Japan will have a special Nintendo Direct focused on Smash 4 (Nothing happened on Brawl's anniversary)
  • Little Mac and Takamaru will appear as playable characters
  • King K. Rool and Ridley will also appear as playable characters
  • K. Rool will have a new design made by Retro
  • New Donkey Kong Country on the horizon (Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze was announced at E3 2013)
  • Ridley's playstyle will involve Other M's evolutions
  • Shulk, Dillon and Ghirahim are being worked on to be playable
  • Platinum Games is interested in including a character, will probably be from the Wonderful 101.
  • Starship Mario, Giant Chasm (Pokémon), Pushmo Park, and Cookie Country (Kirby) are levels that have been worked on. (Mario Galaxy has been confirmed as a stage, and Starship Mario is a background element, with Lubba as the pilot.)
  • There will be a second Yoshi representative who has yet to be introduced and will appear in a new game coming out soon, it's apparently Yoshi's new partner, another dinosaur character
2nd Post
  • Link, Marth and Ike will return and include their Skyward Sword and Awakening designs, respectively, adjusted for Smash. (Link's design appears to be the Twilight Princess outfit, except with the color scheme and a few details of the Skyward Sword outfit) (Marth has gained his appearance from the Japan-only Fire Emblem: New Mystery of the Emblem, Heroes of Light and Shadow.)
  • Namco Bandai will have a playable character in the game
  • Sega and Konami want more reps from other of their series in Smash
3rd Post

  • Kalas from Baten Kaitos won't be playable
  • The view on Animal Crossing as characters hasn't changed, there won't be any character playable (The Villager from Animal Crossing was announced on Smash Bros. 4's E3 2013 trailer)
  • Sukapon won't be playable, probably
  • Geno from Super Mario RPG won't be playable
  • Level 5 hasn't been contacted by Sakurai regarding Professor Layton
  • Bowser Jr. is now seen as part of the Koopalings interfering with his playability in Smash Bros. 4
  • There are no plans to include Dixie Kong, Toon Zelda/Tetra and Plusle & Minun
4th Post
  • Waluigi wasn't planned to be playable at any point in Brawl
  • Capcom wants a character in the new Smash, but not from Resident Evil (Capcom's Mega Man was announced on Smash Bros. 4's E3 2013 trailer)
  • Chrom from Fire Emblem: Awakening hasn't been considered since he's too "Marth-like"
  • Impa from The Legend of Zelda won't be playable
  • Sheik will be redesigned, drawing inspiration from Impa's design in Skyward Sword
Halibuton's post:

December 12, 2012

I work at Bandai-Namco, specifically in PR regarding their various fighting-game series (currently I am involved in helping deal with some licensing issues regarding a popular manga fighter that Namco-Bandai is hoping to release in the West...), and have learned various bits and tidbits of early info from coworkers involved in the Smash 4 development. Nothing super-concrete, and all this info is subject to change, but here is what I have learned.

* The Anniversary of Brawl's release in Japan will have a special Nintendo Direct focused on Smash 4. I don't think it will have a trailer included, but I am not sure. From what my friends have speculated, it may just be a retrospective on the Smash Series as a whole with a sliver of new info released.

* Little Mac and Takamaru were two of the first characters chosen for Smash 4, both being classic characters that have since experienced a revival via Punch Out Wii/Nintendo Land and are fan favorites. They also represent West vs. East, which Sakurai is aiming for after the previous series strayed too much towards Eastern characters like Fire Emblem and Mother.

* King K. Rool and Ridley are also two characters that are being given priority as they too have a lot of requests. King K. Rool's design is said to have a new design that Retro contributed to (perhaps a new Donkey Kong Country is on the horizon?), and Ridley will apparently have a style of game-play that involves the evolution seen in Other M.

* Shulk, Dillon, and Ghirahim are currently set to be included, but they haven't been finalized like the four above.

* Platinum Games is interested in including a character, yet nothing has been finalized yet. Will probably be from Wonderful 101, but nothing is decided upon.

* Starship Mario, Giant Chasm (Pokemon BW2), Pushmo Park, and Cookie Country (Kirby) are levels that have been worked on.

* There's a second Yoshi representative who has yet to be introduced and will apparently be appearing in a new game coming out soon that Nintendo asked to be included. The rumored Yoshi Land Wii U? It's apparently Yoshi's new partner another dinosaur character. The name "Debu" has been thrown around, but I'm not sure if that's it's name or a nickname since that just means "fat" in Japanese.

December 13, 2012

I got a Private Message from Snakey asking for some additional details, mainly involving 3rd Party, and I replied to him with some info about that that I feel safe posting here.

Most of the 3rd Party characters are still being mulled over and such, and there's been interest from Konami and Sega regarding the inclusion of other series characters, although there's been much debate over this. NiGHTS, Monkey Ball, Goemon, Castlevania, and Twinbee are all series I've heard have been brought up, but personally I doubt we'll actually see any of those make it in. I'd assume that Snake and Sonic are set to return.

Namco will include a character, but nothing has been set. I don't think they want to use Tekken because it's a more "realistic" fighter and it would be weird seeing those characters in Smash, and I think the fact Tales is mainly an Eastern series is hurting it, though. But minds could change.

Link, Marth, and Ike will be using there new styles from SS/Awakening, but adjusted for Smash. Pit will also greatly draw from Kid Icarus Uprising, I'm guessing he'll be much more talkative now. All the other characters as far as I know from Brawl are coming back.

Interest in bringing back dropped characters has been shown, specifically for Mewtwo. Chances for Roy seem lower, but possible. Dr. Mario, Pichu, and Young Link probably less.

arvilino posted...
"few early roster tidbits"? of 10 possible new characters? That''s almost nearing the number of new characters Brawl had. That isn't a few by large margin this is all pretty doubtlessly false.

Only 4 of the characters (Ridley, K. Rool, Takamaru, and Little Mac) are definite as far as I know. That's 1 less than Brawl debuted with. The other four are merely being considered and are strong contenders.

Ghirahim may or may not make it in, the big factor for his inclusion apparently lies in the what goes on with the Zelda Series. If a new, main game comes out before Smash, Ghirahim may be dropped unless he appears as he'll be considered "old". Personally, I don't see a new mainline Zelda coming out that soon.

Shulk's inclusion apparently came about due to the strong showing in the UK and US, as it showed that Xenoblade resonated with a larger global audience. Apparently, before Xenoblade came about and gained steam, Kalas from Baten Kaitos was considered as a possibility, but I don't think it went anywhere beyond that.

Dillon and "Debu" are being considered due to Nintendo wishing to use the next Smash to help boost some series. I think one can assume that, like Pit in Brawl, they may wish to expand Dillon's series in the future.

The "Debu" character, as mentioned before, Nintendo wants to promote. Why such a push? I'm not quite sure. The only thing I know is that he's Yoshi's new dinosaur buddy, he's red, he's presumably large, and he seems to play like Yoshi. The first clone confirmed? I don't know the extent of his similarities, information about him has been very sparse.

December 14, 2012

A poster asked me about the possibility of some other characters making the roster and why things are of course subject to chance, there are a few characters who I am quite certain will not make it to playable status based on what I've heard and a few of my own observations.

*As I said before, Kalas was considered before Shulk and Xenoblade took off, but since Shulk will likely make it in, Kalas is pretty much out of luck. At best we can hope that Sakurai can include some of Baten Kaitos' stellar soundtrack.

*Level 5 as far as I know has not been contacted or contacted Sakurai in regards to Professor Layton.

*I don't think the view on Animal Crossing characters as fighters has changed. Unless there's some sort of underground fight club that Resetti runs in the new Animal Crossing, I don't think that will change so no playable Tom Nook.

*Square-Enix is surprisingly protective of Mario RPG characters, which is why all we've seen is Geno in SuperStar Saga as a cameo. I've heard rumors that it goes further than Smash...Nintendo apparently wanted to use him and other RPG characters in the Mario x SE games (like Sports Mix) but Square Enix wanted their well-known Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest characters instead and wouldn't let them.

* Bowser Jr. is now considered by Nintendo more or less as part of the Koopalings. Apparently that interferes with him being included, as he's been considered prior to the Koopalings returning, but now there's worry that including him and not the others isn't a good choice.

* No Sukapon, probably. Sakurai doesn't want to include Japanese-only characters unless they're known enough and have potential among Western audiences. The reason Takamaru is getting in is due to Nintendo Land, which is apparently the beginning of Nintendo's aim to introduce him to the west. I'd expect we'll see a 3D Classics Nazo no Murasame Jo released for the 3DS in the near future as part of this aim. Takamaru's character (a classic samurai) is also considered to be far more recognizable to foreign audiences than Sukapon.

* There's no plans to finish Toon Zelda, Tetra, Dixie, or Plusle and Minun, mostly revolving around the fact that their time has come, more or less, and they're dated. They were at once seriously considered, but dropped once the majority of the actual development began because they were expendable being less popular.

December 14, 2012

I believe Waluigi was chosen to be an AT for Brawl because he fit that role so well...it's his character to be "just good enough", you could say. He was never considered playable at any point for Brawl, and that hasn't changed.

I know Capcom does want a character in, but I doubt Resident Evil is what they're aiming for.

I don't think a new Fire Emblem character is going to happen. Krom isn't likely as he's considered too Marth-like in terms of his character and how that would translate into gameplay.

scottwritten posted...
@TC, Note, this is a test.

What have you heard in regards to Impa (Legend of Zelda)?

Is the test judging my knowledge of the Zelda-verse, in which we have old woman Impa in Zelda II, Muscular Impa in Ocarina, Fat Impa in Oracle, and two Impa, young and old, in Skyward Sword (and Impaz in Twilight Princess)? :p

I'm pretty sure there won't be an additional Zelda character if Ghirahim makes it, and if he doesn't, then it certainly won't be a character from Skyward Sword like Impa. Sheik will probably be redesigned and, yes, I'd say that they may draw inspiration from Impa for her new look.


5) Diddy Dedede Leak

Claims:

  • King Dedede will be revealed as a returning veteran on January 10th, 2014 to coincide with the Japanese release of Kirby Triple Deluxe. (Indeed, we predicted this before the rumor surfaced, but Dedede was revealed)
  • Diddy Kong will be revealed as a returning veteran on February 13th, 2014 to coincide with the Japanese release of Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze.
  • The unknown scrolling stage for the 3DS featured in the first trailer. It scrolls to the right, but will occasionally go diagonally.
  • There are some Donkey Kong Land tracks featured on this stage.
  • A generic Donkey Kong Country Returns stage will appear on the Wii U version, no relation to Tropical Freeze. Rambi and a few Tikis appear in the background.
  • There are music tracks from all main Donkey Kong Country games, and possibly Donkey Kong 64 featured on this stage.
  • Orange Grenades from Donkey Kong 64 appear as a new item. They bounce off the floor and will then explode momentarily.
  • A Funky Kong Assist Trophy will appear, but it's currently in the debugging process. (This info. can't be proved)
  • Dr. Mario appears in the game in some form.
  • The Lor Starcutter, from Kirby's Return to Dream Land, is a stage. It acts similar to Corneria from Melee, but has a different layout. You fly through several locations, including other dimensions.
  • Music from Kirby Air Ride and Return to Dream Land are featured on this stage.
  • The amount of music is significantly higher than Brawl's.
  • However, most of the music is ports from the games instead of remixes.
  • There are many tracks on Mario Galaxy & Dr. Wily's Castle.

Original Leaker's Post:
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I know I'm going to get flamed for this but I know some information about Super Smash Bros for Wii U and Super Smash Bros for 3DS. I'm not a prophet. I'm not a troll. And I will ignore everyone who calls me one. I'm just a real big fan of the series who has some insider info to share. Now that that's out of the way, I will tell you some tidbits.
King Dedede will be revealed on January 10. The day before Kirby Triple Deluxe is released in Japan.
Diddy Kong will be revealed on February 13th. The day of Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze's release in Japan.
There is a DKCR3D stage in the 3DS version. This was seen in the 1st trailer. It's a scrolling stage that constantly scrolls to the right. However, sometimes goes in diagonal directions. It's a real interesting stage and so far, it's the only one in Smash history to act like it! The music is to die for as well. It even has a couple of tracks from the Donkey Kong Land games!
The Wii U will have a generic DKCR stage that takes no physical cues from Tropical Freeze. However, there is talk on getting music from that game. We already have music from all main DKC games that have been released so far on this stage though. We even have a couple of tracks from DK64 It is a standard stage with no stage hazards. Rambi makes a background cameo though. As do a couple of Tikis. Graphically, it's looks stunning. I'm sure it's gonna be a favorite.
Orange Grenades are a new explosive item. They bounce on the ground when thrown and explode after a certain amount of time! There is a Funky Kong AT as well. He's still in the debugging process though, so he may be changed up a bit.
Dr. Mario is in the game somehow. I won't give out specifics just yet, but it's a lot of fun! I really enjoy the decision.
The Lorr Starcutter is a stage on the Wii U version. It works kind of like Coneria. It's layout and functionality is much different but the basic concept is the same. The background is stunning though. You fly through several locations from Return to Dreamland. You even fly to Another Dimension! Lots of Kirby Air Ride and Kirby's Return to Dreamland music plays on it.
While I'm talking about music, the number of songs is significantly higher than Brawl's. However, most of the songs are direct ports of songs from games instead of new remixes. This is very noticeable when looking at Mario Galaxy and Dr. Wily's Castle. Don't worry though. There are a LOT of songs on Mario Galaxy and Dr. Wily's Castle.
Well, there ya have it. That should tide you over. And to answer future questions.
Yes. Yes, I do know more.
But I don't plan on sharing it. Not now at least. Hope you have fun anticipating this stuff! :D [/collapse]

The Translator Leak (1/10/14)

Claims:
  • Rosalina is the only Mario newcomer.
  • Waluigi and Toad were at once considered, but Waluigi remains an Assist Trophy, and Toad a move for Peach. (There is no way of proving this information)
  • Bowser Junior, Paper Mario and Daisy were never considered. Bowser Junior was planned to be an Assist Trophy, but was scrapped. (There is no way of proving this information)
  • Fawful is a new Mario Assist Trophy. He acts like Mr. Resetti, but will attack opponents at random.
  • The Hammer Brother Assist Trophy has been scrapped.
  • Diddy Kong will be the next revealed veteran, to coincide with Tropical Freeze’s release date.
  • Diddy is paired with Dixie Kong as a tag-team, similar to Zelda and Sheik. Dixie has a separate moveset from Diddy, but it’s still being worked on. (There is no way of proving this information)
  • King K. Rool is a newcomer, the heaviest character on the roster. He is powerful and can KO light characters with 2 good Smash Attacks. His final smash has him use the blunderbuss and fire cannonballs from the top of the screen while they fly in from the sides as well.
  • Gangplank Galleon is a stage.
  • There is a new Zelda character, although it’s kept a secret so far. The names heard most often are Tingle and Ghirahim. (There is no way of proving this information.)
  • Ganondorf will be buffed, although he still retains some of C. Falcon’s moves. He can equip a sword using his Down Special.
  • Chrom is a Fire Emblem necomer. He wields the Falchion, and does not replace Ike.
  • Chrom is expected to be revealed to celebrate the anniversary of the first Fire Emblem.
  • Lyn’s Assist Trophy from Brawl has been scrapped.
  • King Gangrel and Aversa are the new Fire Emblem Assist Trophy. Gangrel runs around slicing with his sword, while Aversa flies above using Aversa’s Night.
  • No newcomers for Yoshi or Wario.
  • Wario’s overalls are now his default attire.
  • The Kat & Ana Assist Trophy has been scrapped.
  • Ashley from WarioWare is a new Assist Trophy. (On Januray 15th, 2014, Sakurai revealed Ashley as an Assist Trophy)
  • Ridley is a newcomer, and is scaled down a bit. It was a major feat on the development team.
  • No new Star Fox characters.
  • Falco is farther away from being a Fox clone.
  • Wolf is no longer a semi-clone.
  • Villager has a female costume.
  • Mr. Resetti returns as an Assist Trophy.
  • Tom Nook is a new Assist Trophy. He apparently drops bells across the stage, which causes opponents to trip. (Due to Sakurai saying tripping is removed, it’s unknown if forced tripping, like this and Diddy’s bananas will return, or if only accidental tripping is removed.)
  • Palutena is a newcomer, with her moves based directly off Uprising.
  • Magnus is a new Assist Trophy, and acts similarly to Little Mac in Brawl.
  • All Pokemon veterans from Brawl return.
  • Mewtwo returns.
  • Mewtwo and Lucario have very different movesets.
  • No new Kirby characters.
  • Meta Knight will be revealed sometime in the summer of 2014.
  • No changes made to the EarthBound series.
  • All misc. characters return (Mr. Game & Watch, R.O.B., Ice Climbers)
  • Little Mac is a newcomer. He has the look from the Punch-Out!! reboot for the Wii.
  • The Male Wii Fit Trainer is indeed an alt. for Wii Fit Trainer.
  • Wii Fit Trainer has a butt attack. It is replaced by a headbutt for the male costume.
  • King Hippo is an Assist Trophy.
  • The Ghosts from Luigi’s Mansion are an Assist Trophy.
  • Snake returns.
  • Pac-Man will be the final newcomer. He is a secret character.
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Oh look! I'm not a new account! Yeah, I've been here a while. If you can grasp that fact, I come baring news. I recently got into some money and for that, I chose to travel to Japan. I hired a translator and visited Mr. Sakurai as Smash Bros. is one of my favorite series of all time. I told him if he could give me any news on the series and he reluctantly agreed.
He told me to expect quite a few newcomers and some surprises. Go ahead and take it with a grain of salt but when I get everything right, I will be the one laughing all the way to...uh...my...house.

MARIO

*Rosalina is the first and only Mario newcomer for the game.

*There were plans Waluigi to be playable but he was scrapped and his Assist has been greatly updated and is more devastating than ever before. After Waluigi, the plan was originally to have Toad playable but he was later decided to remain as Peach's B move.

*There were never any plans for Bowser Jr., Paper Mario and Daisy to be playable. The former was considered to be an Assist Trophy, but that idea was quickly rid of in favor of a cult favorite Mario character.

*Fawful is the new Mario Assist Trophy, he replaces Hammer Bro. Fawful is kind-of like this game's Mr. Resetti and he flies around the screen talking in his amazingly hilarious voice and will attack players at random.

DONKEY KONG

*The next character revealed will be Diddy Kong for Tropical Freeze's JP release date.

*There will be a DK newcomer, though. It's King K. Rool...AND Dixie Kong. K. Rool is a standalone player and the heaviest fighter on the roster. Since he is heavy, he is also very powerful and is capable of launching fighters like Kirby and Olimar off the screen with two heavy Smash attacks. He does use the blunderbuss as his final smash. He jumps in the air and releases cannonballs from the top of the screen while launching mini-cannonballs from the side of the screen. Gangplank Galleon is confirmed to be a stage.

*Dixie Kong will be paired with Diddy Kong. Although, they'll play more like Zelda/Shiek than the Ice Climbers. Dixie has her own separate moveset but her moves are not confirmed as she not fully worked on yet.

ZELDA

*There is a Zelda newcomer but who that is, I do not know. They are keeping it a real secret. I did hear the Japanese names for Ghirahim and Tingle but if they're playable, I do not know.

*Ganondorf will retain some of C. Falcon's moveset but he has been buffed. His moveset now includes his sword. The sword can be equipped by crouching down and pressing B.

FIRE EMBLEM

*The newcomer for Fire Emblem is Chrom. As if it wasn't obvious enough, he uses the Falchion as his main attack and does NOT replace Ike. Marth, Ike and Chrom are the Fire Emblem characters. Chrom is planned to be revealed to celebrate the anniversary of the very first game.

*The Assist Trophy for the series is now King Gangrel and Aversa, actually. Lyn does not return. Gangrel runs fast across the stage using his Levin Sword while Aversa flies in the air using her 'Aversa's Night' as an attack. They are considered by Sakurai to be the most "unexpected" additions.

WARIO & YOSHI

*There are no major changes but Wario's classic attire is his default attire. I dunno if movesets are changed or not.

*Ashley is Wario's Assist Trophy and replaces Kat & Ana.

METROID

*Ridley is Metroid's newcomer. They scaled him down to size. Remember that Brawl video showcasing him against the PT Trainer? He looks almost exactly like that. What they did is amazSTAR FOX

*There are no major changes but Falco is further away from being a Fox clone and Wolf is no longer a semi-clone.

ANIMAL CROSSING

*Villager does have a female alt but nothing is changed.

*Tom Nook is the Assist Trophy alongside Mr. Resetti. He will go around randomly dropping bells, causing players to slip.

KID ICARUS

*Palutena is a newcomer. Her arsenal is almost entirely based from Uprising, is what I heard.

*Magnus is the KI Assist Trophy. He goes around swinging a sword and plays similar to Little Mac: fast, strong, but at times, suicidal.

POKEMON

*Mewtwo returns.

*Jigglypuff returns

*No cuts are made.

*Mewtwo and Lucario are not clones and their movesets barely resemble each others'.

KIRBY

*No newcomers for the Kirby series.

*Meta Knight will be revealed in the Summer of 2014, is what I remember.

MOTHER

*There are no major changes made to the Mother series.

RANDOM SERIES

*All misc. characters return with the addition of Little Mac. He looks like he does in the Wii reboot of Punch-Out!!

*WFT's male alt plays almost exactly like the female WFT.

*Yes, WFT does have a butt attack. HFT is given a headbutt instead.

*King Hippo and the Ghosts from Luigi's Mansion are Assist Trophies.

*I may have left out a few more veterans and stuff, but I am only retelling what I was told.

THIRD-PARTY

*We have Sonic and Mega Man in the third party slot.

*Snake does indeed return.

*Pac-Man will be the final newcomer revealed. Well, he won't be revealed...he'll be a secret character.

Go ahead and don't believe me. I know it's a lot to swallow but trust me, I know what I'm doing.ing according to Sakurai. [/collapse]


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Am I the only one that swears that I've heard or seen an interview where it's explained why Mii is a bad choice? I might have just made this conclusion up after hearing criteria of adding a character or something, I dunno.
Sakurai lies more than I do, don't take anything he says at face value.

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Last words of "the predicter" just before he stopped posting and presumably disappeared.
What were his last words

And my edit

Correct me if in wrong everyone but wasen't the smart phone thing going to be on the 31st before?

A little something to throw out the diddy kong next rumor is at the next anchor point 30th ice climbers anniversary but I would highly recommend to not look into anniversary's
 

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Not trying to beat a dead horse,but the Palutena leak still is bugging me. Yaknow how it's easy to tell KIU Pit from SSB4 Pit? The very first thing everybody thought was that it was KIU Palutena.
 

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Sakurai lies more than I do, don't take anything he says at face value.

I'm a gril btw
'Tis a great thing to see! don't be intimidated im not your typical guy. if anything, I'll be the one in the kitchen :D


I thought the nintendoom meeting was a fake btw?
 

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I hope Mr. Predictions is right so most of you guys look stupid. Especially the dude with the King k Rool avatar. That irrelevant character will never be in smash.

Only sad part about mr predictions leak is No Ghirahim or Shadow. Also the removal of falco but it's fine.



Also having someone do a leak like this and answer most questions properly unlike other leakers is better than nothing. Learn to have fun and not cry about everything. If IF..shulk is revealed 29-31 that list is 100 percent real. Let's see.
 

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I hope Mr. Predictions is right so most of you guys look stupid. Especially the dude with the King k Rool avatar. That irrelevant character will never be in smash.

Only sad part about mr predictions leak is No Ghirahim or Shadow. Also the removal of falco but it's fine.



Also having someone do a leak like this and answer most questions properly unlike other leakers is better than nothing. Learn to have fun and not cry about everything. If IF..shulk is revealed 29-31 that list is 100 percent real. Let's see.
shut these lies. K. Rool will be in smash or you can pic my avatar.
 

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I hope Mr. Predictions is right so most of you guys look stupid. Especially the dude with the King k Rool avatar. That irrelevant character will never be in smash.

Only sad part about mr predictions leak is No Ghirahim or Shadow. Also the removal of falco but it's fine.



Also having someone do a leak like this and answer most questions properly unlike other leakers is better than nothing. Learn to have fun and not cry about everything. If IF..shulk is revealed 29-31 that list is 100 percent real. Let's see.
All you can do is hope. and imagine. Because there is no way that this guy is legit. I hope your post was a joke its hard to read sarcasm. Talking about Ghirahim and Shadow makes me think that your post is a joke. I'd rather have K.Rool take up four character slots than Ghirahim and Shadow make it into smash as playable characters.
 
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Ghirahim more relevant?


Excuse me while I go laugh so hard that the neighbors call the cops.
 

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Ghirahim is much more interesting and relevant than King k rool. Shadow is just a personal fav of mine.
Yea Ghirahim and Shadow are cool I'll give you that. But as full characters? Idk about that. I think the best you can hope for with Shadow is a modded Sonic and Ghirahim a modded Gannon.

I also have the feels for falco being left out of the leak. so sad... so sad...
 

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Also, are my glasses clear? Ghirahim?
Well, knowing Sakurai, he is gonna be in. I didn't think Rosalina would be so I'm basically questioning everything now.
 
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And when he's inevitably proven wrong, you'll be leaving with your tail between your legs, right?
 

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Yea Ghirahim and Shadow are cool I'll give you that. But as full characters? Idk about that. I think the best you can hope for with Shadow is a modded Sonic and Ghirahim a modded Gannon.

I also have the feels for falco being left out of the leak. so sad... so sad...
Not true I mean well actually maybe because of how lazy sakurai and the dev team are (3 landmasters etc) but honestly Shadow with chaos control etc would be really cool. Imagine chaos control combos! but they would prob mess it up. Falco is the OG that would really suck if he got cut but what could you do =/ The thing that would make me hype about this leak if the fact that Red has turned into the pokemon master lol
 

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Ah, Shadow fan boys make me understand why I don't like Shadow. Well, most of them. Some of them are cool.
 
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What leak are you looking at?
"Mr. Prediction" says that there is a "Pokémon Trainer" and a "Pokémon Master".
That alone discredits the entire "prediction".
 
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