Squirtle Squad (General Disc.)

[Bad Cupboard]

I think he could be top tier. He has great mobility, great edgeguarding and gimping, safe recoveries, and his turn around can do so much stuff it's unbelievable

 

[DoH]

I feel like his recovery is ****, like Doc bad

 

[Translucent]

i don't think his recovery is terrible, he recovers very well high with side-b. I think it's around average.

 

[GunBlaze]

I feel like his recovery is ****, like Doc bad

Take that back, please.

 

[Kudzu]

I think he could be top tier. He has great mobility, great edgeguarding and gimping, safe recoveries, and his turn around can do so much stuff it's unbelievable

I agree with this. Although it's far too early to tell what tier he's going to fall in, I do believe for these reasons (and more!) that Squirtle will be in one of the higher tiers.

Don't forget that he's also a slippery son of ***** that's tiny and hard to hit.

He's got kill moves up the wazoo. He can chase characters off the ledge. He can effectively guard the ledge. He can combo. He's hard to hit. Honestly, I think he's too strong. In the right hands and with a lot of practice he can really be trouble. (assuming you don't accidently kill yourself with side b!)

 

[FRENUM]

You can short hop watergun with squirtle ^__^ great for baiting and poking. Short hop bubble to grounded bubble is a great setup too. I feel I have a very good understanding of squirtles physics and metagame (due to hours and hours of practice in training mode) and I will hopefully be posting a some matches in the next couple of days. Should be pretty entertaining

 

[Life]

You can do a mini-Waterfall straight out of sideB. And I do mean MINI. Like it's the tiniest jump ever. I SD'd a couple times out of the blue until I figured out what was going on.

Just a random observation, don't mind me.

 

[dettadeus]

You can do a mini-Waterfall straight out of sideB. And I do mean MINI. Like it's the tiniest jump ever. I SD'd a couple times out of the blue until I figured out what was going on.

Just a random observation, don't mind me.

That's Aqua Jet.

 

[Translucent]

When you do the up B out of side B, if you land it correctly, it has a bunch of killing power.

Also, I love short hopping bubble because I love the angle and space it covers.

<3 Squirtle.

 

[Soft Serve]

I've tried to aqua jet too fast before and I've just jetted right downward. Has this happened to anyone else?

 

[cmart]

If you can reproduce this reliably, I'll look into it.

 

[dettadeus]

i'd be willing to bet he just input it in the 6 frames of startup and the input wasn't read due to lack of buffer

 

[Dubforce]

Maybe he just didn't press up-b and instead pressed neutral b and just got out of withdraw.

 

[SpiderMad]

I will hopefully be posting a some matches in the next couple of days. Should be pretty entertaining

Super hype

Create another new technique that makes him fly plz. Oh wait did they take away TL's SAGT'ing in 2.5?

 

[standardtoaster]

that was a glitch and yes it was fixed

 

[Dubforce]

SAGT? Is that different than AGT?

 

[MonkUnit]

Super aerial glide toss. It was a glitch in 2.1 that resulted in a huge amount of momentum AGTing directly out of wiggling out of hitstun.

 

[dettadeus]

and i actually found it months before anyone else but never posted something big about it, just noted it in a big rob info dump

;c

also it wasn't TLink specific but it was easier to do it with him than any other char because he could put himself into hitstun with a bomb

 

[Dubforce]

Interesting. Too bad it got removed, since TLink is boss in 2.5.

 

[Translucent]

When would a good time be to start a matchup thread for Squirtle?

 

[MonkUnit]

I was just about to ask the same thing so I could ask about the Marth MU, lol.

 

[Translucent]

I could make it, but I'm not good with updating things on the OP or making it super fancy...

 

[Jonny Westside]

So why does a fully charged water gun get cancelled out when you jump during withdraw? I played around a little bit with this "mechanic" and there doesn't seem to be any beneficial qualities to this. It doesn't appear to extend withdraw's duration or heighten the jump distance.

 

[standardtoaster]

It's just a glitch. There's no specific benefit to it, lol.

 

[Jonny Westside]

It's just a glitch. There's no specific benefit to it, lol.

Awww....that's a bummer. On a side note, I realized that shield grabbing with squirtle isn't really a viable defensive option since he's a slippery little bugger xp

 

[RaphaelRobo]

How do you guys edgeguard with Squirtle? I feel like my Squirtle is pretty bad at it.

Also, for recovery, I assume you SideB when up high, and UpB when low? Are there any options I'm missing? SideB too low causes you to die, and UpB up high doesn't seem to have any benefits over SideB.

Also, I'm planning to smash with Stingers on Friday once we're back at University, so if you guys want, I can upload videos of my Squirtle (as well as my ROB and Ganon) being terrible. It'd probably just be a long video with all of our playing rather than each match uploaded separately, though, since I don't have the time to do that.

 

[standardtoaster]

I don't think upb when low is actually a good idea. It's super easy to just hit him out of that even when he's trying to sweetspot.

 

[RaphaelRobo]

I agree about it being easy to hit him out of it, but is there anything else that he can use to recover when low? I suppose he could aqua jet if he's close enough, but to my knowledge there isn't anything else that lets him go up.

And now you have an avatar from Haruhi? If I hadn't just switched to this one of Black Lotus, I'd have to switch to the long haired ponytail Haruhi from Disappearance.

 

[Translucent]

On characters with predictable recoveries, bubble can do wonders against them. Short hop then bubble at edge, or drop down and bubble is pretty good. Fair and Bair can also do pretty well off the stage sometimes.
While recovering, I love Side B then the up B thing out of it because it can go pretty far and be a bit unpredictable.

 

[dettadeus]

Waterfall has like, no hitbox directly above squirtle, so it's easy to get hit out of it (see: shine)

Trying to overshoot the ledge and then fall onto it seems to be the better option if you have to recover low.

 

[Dubforce]

Yeah, **** shine.

 

[RaphaelRobo]

Waterfall has like, no hitbox directly above squirtle, so it's easy to get hit out of it (see: shine)

Trying to overshoot the ledge and then fall onto it seems to be the better option if you have to recover low.

Yeah, that's what I've been going for as well (assuming I have the option of recovering from that high). As a Ganon main, I can imagine plenty of different ways to hit Squirtle out of his UpB. Although just a simple stomp seems like it'd be pretty effective, there's nothing better than a suicide flame choke.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, I wonder if Ganon could connect with a Wizard's foot? That would be pretty awesome.

 

[dettadeus]

k, now we have a video and a matchup thread

i'll keep them updated if people keep posting in them

 

[MonkUnit]

Thanks for doing that, dettadeus!

 

[McNinja]

Somebody said Squirtle is bad at edgeguarding? I thought he was relatively excellent at gimping.

His Nair sends enemies at a very low angle. His water gun can steal jumps and has tons of priority.

Oh and bubble. Nuff said.
Squirtle and Pit = best gimpers?

 

[dettadeus]

Squirtle and Pit = best gimpers?

ROB is better than both :3

 

[cannedbread]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksd6XaLWlNM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

discuss

 

[RaphaelRobo]

When I was playing with my friends yesterday, at certain percents I could juggle them pretty easily with 2-3 Usmashes. Was this just because my friends aren't that good at this game, or is it a viable tactic?

 

[MonkUnit]

Is that on wifi or offline?

SideB looks way better than I thought. I need to use it more, lol.

Edit: Was that at low % and/or against fast fallers?

 

[dettadeus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksd6XaLWlNM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

discuss

2:12

this is why i don't use withdraw

also the link player thought he was toon link, dthrow > upb all day

looked good other than that

also people should use the full jab combo more, free like 11%, refreshes moves, jab1 still comes out like frame 1 so it's hard to deal with
and squirtle doesn't have a spacie jab so he can't true combo anything out of jab1 ;c