~Dad~
part time gay dad
Reflex when is Squirtle going to get a gun?
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Squirtle Squad (General Disc.)
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Player -0
Smash Hero
It's pretty much a SS Mooncrawl then?
In brawl people could run forward then backward crawl but with more momentum you reverse more momentum?
In brawl people could run forward then backward crawl but with more momentum you reverse more momentum?
PlateProp
Smash Master
Yeah, Water Gun just doesnt do it. It doesnt actually push anything. Squirtle needs something to replace it :I
Daftatt
"float like a puffball, sting like a knee"
super crawl, or whatever.
Watergun is OP, take their stocks at gunpoint, what are they gonna do bout it? The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a turtle with a gun.
PlateProp
Smash Master
Do you think we could convince the PMBR to have Squirtle pull out an actual water gun?
That fires lasers? 8D
JCOnyx
Smash Ace
You want people to actually fear squirtle, make uncharged water gun land cancelable :D
Seriously though, people should stop sleeping on squirtle. I just went farther than I ever have before in a tournament screwing around with my sub par squirtle. I've decided to start taking my games and practice with him more seriously from now on.
Seriously though, people should stop sleeping on squirtle. I just went farther than I ever have before in a tournament screwing around with my sub par squirtle. I've decided to start taking my games and practice with him more seriously from now on.
PlateProp
Smash Master
I had my first tournament ever yesterday. I lost all but one set in pools, but I took everymatch down to the last stock other than like two or three. I think I did pretty well for someone who's never played against people that actually had skill in P:M xP
But real talk tho, Water gun needs more knockback or something, everytime I use it people just walk through it or it just stops them for a second before they're right back at me.
~Dad~
part time gay dad
In all seriousness water gun is pretty good as is it's just hard to know when to use it. I love water gun.
Daftatt
"float like a puffball, sting like a knee"
The trick to watergun is to use it close enough to get hitstun on the opponent, thereby throwing them off. I use it when someone comes offstage to edgeguard me, blast them in the face and they have to return back to stage or risk a stock. Or when they are waiting above ledge onstage, you can fall past them and watergun them and immediately waterfall, It's a great mixup to allow yourself a safer recovery by throwing your opponent's groove off.
Watergun on stage is mostly an approach tool, not a defensive one, being that squirtle should be flying towards them in the air, they are expecting an aerial to be thrown out, say a marth is my opponent, so he may just F-smash, but I surprise him and watergun, the water hits him much sooner that he was expecting any squirtle aerial to be in range, I then land next to him and grab.
Watergun's distant "push" is only useful in a few situations, such as when a link is trying to bomb jump, you can watergun his bomb away.
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Zwarm
Smash Hero
I only use fully charged water gun as a means to help my recovery, I don't see much of a use for it physically
Uncharged water gun tho, the possibilities are endless
Uncharged water gun tho, the possibilities are endless
Daftatt
"float like a puffball, sting like a knee"
Squirtle is so damn good in doubles. Also if your partner is about to get gimped you can shell-sling off the stage and waterfall scoops him back to safety.
I also like helping with uairs if they're farther out.
I also find that Squirtle is probably one of the better characters to be stuck in a 1 v 2 situation. Good time to be small, quick, and pokey.
Water Gun is quite possibly my favorite move as Squirtle. It's preeeeeetty good...
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Burnsy
Smash Lord
Fully charged watergun actually has a couple good offensive uses. You just can't use it all willy nilly due to the long start-up
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Uncharged Water Gun has solid frame advantage and doesn't push people away when they're hit.
F-Tilt is probably a better move.
That said, I wish crouch canceling didn't do such a number on Squirtle's ground pokes.
That said, I wish crouch canceling didn't do such a number on Squirtle's ground pokes.
It's about picking another option. I'm not sure what percent it is that F-Tilt starts beating CC, but it isn't early.
yea I can't imagine it would be, I usually just try to alternate between ss'ing sh bubbles, dsmashes, and grabs, and then try waveland approaches with the downsmash and grab if they get used to the ss approaches.
I need to work on water gun though since you attest to its wonder and you wouldn't lead me astray.
or would you..
I need to work on water gun though since you attest to its wonder and you wouldn't lead me astray.
or would you..
Zwarm
Smash Hero
Gotta use the good ol' dtilt to crawl attack
I would not! Disrupting an opponent's movement is one of the best ways to find a way in. They have to react to the hit as well as the sudden end of the movement option they were doing. That can be daunting for a number of characters. Pretty good to put things at a quick standstill in neutral.
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Player -0
Smash Hero
Fatality who? What character?
He plays captain falcon, he's got a hell of a punish game. He did play a set with one of our tops, i'll post it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPHE28P-qaw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPHE28P-qaw
Zwarm
Smash Hero
I love using Squirtle, I've just preferred using Wario in tournament lately. I perform so much better in friendlies with Squirtle, since I don't have to care about suicides.
I just like having 4 stocks in tournament
I just like having 4 stocks in tournament
Player -0
Smash Hero
Lol, I played him at the SC IV tournament (I think 4) in pools. He won P:M (I think). I guess he travels a lot. I played really bad that day though.
Daftatt
"float like a puffball, sting like a knee"
Yomi Level 3. The opponent is likely to crouch cancel, punish their predictability to counter squirtle's most glaring flaw. Hydro-grab can punish only but the smallest of ending lag on moves
Hydrograb comes out in something like 30 frames. ~10 frames of initial dash, ~15 frames of shellshift. The best defense (offense?) is often a projectile or a regular grab.
Daftatt
"float like a puffball, sting like a knee"
Yes, I suppose it's certainly not a direct counter to CC. However if you bait out an attack as you go into shellshift, then you're in the money, not that that's new information.
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JCOnyx
Smash Ace
Personally, UpAir is my favorite move of Squirtles. At low percents if you can get them above you they're in for a world of pain. At mid - higher percents falling UpAir is a great combo starter, and on spacies you can just keep on going and going and going till they finally DI far enough away for you to just dash attack them off the stage for the kill (or be fancy and crawl attack to pop them up for another UpAir lol).
I really need to get use to his Dair though. KGB at this last GamesClucks I went to used it pretty effectively when I played against him, and I can see the potential uses, I'm just worried about CC and how it just doesn't work on some characters.
I really need to get use to his Dair though. KGB at this last GamesClucks I went to used it pretty effectively when I played against him, and I can see the potential uses, I'm just worried about CC and how it just doesn't work on some characters.
Burnsy
Smash Lord
Why are you worried about CC with Squirtles dair? The last hit sends straight up and is strong. If they cc it, dont land early and weave away so you can move away from them as soon as the last hit gets them. If anything, it's a move I use to punish CC.
JCOnyx
Smash Ace
That's good to know. I always feared that the last hit wouldn't be strong enough to knock them down/up if they were CCing. Of course them taking all the damage from the Dair would be a bonus, but I thought it would always lead to a punish. I still won't be using it anytime soon on shorter characters though.
Jamwa
Smash Champion
Dair is the best move
It's just Squirtle spinning in the air like he jus don't care
Dair's hits can be punish though with something like shine I'm sure.
Shine reks Lucas' nair
It's just Squirtle spinning in the air like he jus don't care
Dair's hits can be punish though with something like shine I'm sure.
Shine reks Lucas' nair
Zwarm
Smash Hero
Dsmash to dair is like the best low percent combo
JCOnyx
Smash Ace
But... but DSmash to UpAir followed by a dozen more UpAirs. It makes even C.Falcon a little jealous.
Zwarm
Smash Hero
You can still uair after dair, it just adds more damage