Zivilyn Bane
Smash Master
I used to main Samus. And yeah, she's really bad. The Matchup chart are old and wrong. The only reason she was ever 50/50 with Fox is because HugS was so good. Laser and bair make it 70/30 Fox, at best.
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Springfield, MO discussion thread
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Massive
Smash Champion
Truefacts:
Samus and Gannondorf are my 2 least favorite matchups on jiggs.
Samus is also probably my worst matchup, solely because I've played a legit samus maybe 3 times throughout my smash career.
Samus and Gannondorf are my 2 least favorite matchups on jiggs.
Samus is also probably my worst matchup, solely because I've played a legit samus maybe 3 times throughout my smash career.
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Massive is the ****
That makes sense. I have a couple other characters in my pocket to try to keep samus rotated out... unfortunately the only fast character I play half-well is Fox, and I am nowhere near up to speed in my fox skills. My strategy is usually a slow-playing one... in a match against a fast paced character like Falcon, Shiek, Fox etc, I usually draw back and lean on mind games so that I'm not outclassed just based on speed. Doesn't always work, but my speed game sucks, even with Fox.
Is there hope for Samus? Is there hope for me??
It'd be fun to start playing with you guys just so that I could see first-hand what works and what doesn't *wishes for more time or a hyperbolic time chamber or something*
Massive
Smash Champion
Speed isn't even the big deal, it's
- The ability to interrupt air combos/punishes with nair.
- Zoning with projectiles helps as well, combined with a recovery that is exceedingly difficult to punish (go look at the invincibility frames on bombs, it's dumb).
- She can play odd spacing games with fsmash and weak/strong missles and do terrible things to people with just wavedash back > utilt.
- Screw attack out-of-shield can shut down/reset several normally frame-safe spacy approaches (nair > shine, falco pillar).
- Crouch-cancelling permits samus to body people in interesting ways, and dsmash comes out fast enough to punish a lot of weird stuff.
I wish I could play her, mostly because I <3 Samus, but her style seems quite incongruent with my aggressive shield pressure shenanigans.
Wretched
Dankness of Heart
I think the reason you don't like Samus is because you approach with her, Michael.
arbustos
Smash Journeyman
Jack is weaker to ground-based styles or those that particularly punish aerial movement (such as G.Vice's). You have a pretty spaced/grounded style, and I imagine this led to consistent punishes since you were playing Sheik. I can believe Jack dropping a game, or even a full set (like he did to Sinister).
You'd be surprised. Jack has probably explored every kind of shield pressure trick Samus has at like every spacing. Sometimes it doesn't even make sense that a frame trap should exist there. It's very disorienting.
His nonsensical style also places him near the opponent's shield fairly often. He's throwing all kinds of crap at you, and the general instinct is to shield against Samus because lol that grab, but Jack is able to abuse this tendency with pressure.
Thanks guys, I'll have to dig around for some vids of some of that Samus stuff, tho I can visualize most of it. DarkAtma's Samus was also quite ridiculous when I played him the other day. He did the Super Wavedash on command, every time... so jealous.
Zivilyn Bane
Smash Master
Atma is probably (or very close to) a top 25 player nation wide, so yeah be jealous.
Check out his elo.
http://www.ssbpd.com/player/DarkAtma
Makes me feel a lot better about getting beat by him at that one PathwaysAtma is probably (or very close to) a top 25 player nation wide, so yeah be jealous.
Check out his elo.
http://www.ssbpd.com/player/DarkAtma
Jace08
Smash Lord
agreed lol
I wanna play your falcon again Jace.
-Sinister-
Smash Ace
*reads everything about how samus is good*
does not approve.
does not approve.
You play fox instead of sheik now sinister? Your sheik was really legit.*reads everything about how samus is good*
does not approve.
Wretched
Dankness of Heart
*realizes that Sinister plays a hard counter to samus and has a ridiculous amount of matchup experience from playing akuma**reads everything about how samus is good*
does not approve.
Does not approve
arbustos
Smash Journeyman
Hey Ziv, idk if it was you who processed the latest Rolla monthly but teams and singles are reversed in the TIO file. I saw that and decided I didn't have the time to recreate singles to fix it. But yeah, someone processed it with the incorrect data.
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Rolla Monthly V?
freaking karl
freaking karl
Zantetsu
Smash Master
Karl for prez
Jace08
Smash Lord
I wouldn't get too excited, dark beat him in bracket at that tourney
duck is mad good though
duck is mad good though
Zivilyn Bane
Smash Master
Stupid Karl.
I'm the one that processed it though. Last time I have faith in him to do it the right way...
-Sinister-
Smash Ace
except it doesn't matter what character i play ******realizes that Sinister plays a hard counter to samus and has a ridiculous amount of matchup experience from playing akuma*
Does not approve
does not approve
Wretched
Dankness of Heart
I thought Marth was amazing when I mained Luigi
I also thought that ICs were bad when I played Peach for a short period of time.
It is inevitable that we develop a SOMEWHAT biased opinion on the viability of characters in relation to our main. I mean, I can see the bias every time I even consider the tiers.
I also thought that ICs were bad when I played Peach for a short period of time.
It is inevitable that we develop a SOMEWHAT biased opinion on the viability of characters in relation to our main. I mean, I can see the bias every time I even consider the tiers.
_Yes!_
Smash Hero
I heard fox wins games.
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every top tier is stupid
Ultimately I think it boils down to how good a player is with a given character, and how well the opponent knows that character. Remember Bum? He doesn't win this particular match, but the fact that he can even keep up with Mew2King as Donkey Kong is ridiculous. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGWdb0db5yA
I'm not looking to be the best player in the world. I like to play for fun, I like to get better, and at some point I'd like to be competent. That doesn't mean that I need to main with a top tier character.
I'm not looking to be the best player in the world. I like to play for fun, I like to get better, and at some point I'd like to be competent. That doesn't mean that I need to main with a top tier character.
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that's on MY YOUTUBE CHANNEL
and he loses even though he ***** m2k stock 1. ;_;
and he loses even though he ***** m2k stock 1. ;_;
Jace08
Smash Lord
yeah I'm lookin forward to playing that silky smooth ganon as well
_Yes!_
Smash Hero
you're top tier.
Wretched
Dankness of Heart
hey guise im strongbad i like dk
uses fox
But in all seriousness I have never seen that match, but that was great 0-0. I didn't know Bum was THAT good.
uses fox
But in all seriousness I have never seen that match, but that was great 0-0. I didn't know Bum was THAT good.
Zantetsu
Smash Master
Drew tells me that Bum is a pretty big player in the NY Marvel scene. I guess he plays odd characters in that game to.
Bum is just a damn good gamer.
Bum is just a damn good gamer.
>Bert<
Smash Ace
Yo Sinister, confirm this cuz I thought you still mained Sheik too lol
Edit: Ziv, I need to talk to you about my Elo. Can you text or PM me??
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haven't used fox in a singles tourney since december
_Yes!_
Smash Hero
bum is awesome at marvel, but he never travels, so people go to his house and he kicks their ***** in the comfort of his own home. i think his team is haggar/hulk/chris
Zantetsu
Smash Master
I think you basically described everything Drew told me. It seems like he doesn't even have to try at these games, lol.
Zivilyn Bane
Smash Master
Downloaded a ton of texture hacks today for p:m. Highlight of the night was watching Spiderman transform in to nude Zelda LOL.