Sponsorship vs pot size

[Redact]

Ok so based on the interest generated by having an ultra pot, I'm starting to look another way.

Pretty much, which tournament do you think could attract more overseas attendance? Having say 1k-1.5k 1st prize for both melee and brawl, or would it be safer to inject that money into some overseas attendants to make sure we get who we want?

I'm sure we would get some more interested in reloaded if it wasnt on the same weekend as genesis 2, and seeing as bam doesnt conflict with anything major, maybe its an idea to boost bam pot to that level too?

Also are people willing to donate to make a pot bigger? I know people are willing to donate to get their favourite players over, but are people willing to donate to a prize pool?

Questions questions, now answer them please (8

 

[Dekar289]

mm i think donating towards a pot is a smarter way to go
get it up and going early, attract pros, pot rises, attract more pros, event goes huge
we'd want at least 2 internationals so we don't get a repeat of m2k snore finals right? that's a lot of money to sponsor 2 internationals, if that money went into a prize pool... dayum, bam = genesis 5

 

[Aussierob123]

It's dangerous though, cuz if you decide to boost the pot and no overseas players show interest were just boosting a pot for our people here which is all good and stuff, but some of the players less likely to win may be more inclined to donate so that they can see an overseas pro rather than boosting the winnings for the people that already beat us here (not that that is a bad thing put it depends on what the people want). Just a thought, I'm not sure if it would or wouldn't play out that way.

 

[Redact]

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[Corpsecreate]

I think a larger pot has the potential to attract a larger number of international players. Sure, you could donate to sponsor ONE person which would guarantee at least one sponsor, but a large pot would attract any international pro. By having a large pot, you basically migrate some of the top players to aus for one tournament.

And as dekar said, you'd need to get this started early for it to work.

 

[Splice]

+1 for big pot

 

[Dekar289]

v3ctorman has expressed interest...
surely if we go with the pot boost option and wave this tournament around at internationals we can attract at least a couple

 

[Ghostbone]

Imo, increasing the pot size is the way to go, if we promise large payouts, that will attract a lot of international attention,and we could possibly set it up so that people get part of their donations to the pot back if we get enough money through entry fees.

 

[Leisha]

Increasing pot size is better, pretty much would say the same as corpse so.

Yeah, do that.

 

[xXArrowXx]

not to be rude or anything.. but i dont want the sponsor to make a profit out of winnings from the pot.
since it would be like we are paying him to take more of our money.

i am split on sponsoring someone cool just to play some matches and hang out.

or boosting the pot and advertising for american players to come take the pot. even then they wouldn't make much of a profit or not even. but I think their attendance would be part holiday part supporting the community, which imo is an attractive offer..
i guess they could be scared of actually losing though lol.

 

[luke_atyeo]

what I'd like to see, is 2 of the best aussie players who go really even, duke it out in grandfinals.

so...

you could sponser 2 good international players here, and not let them compete in the bracket but instead they each are assigned to 1 of the afore mentioned aussie players and get to train them for X amount of time, and then if their player wins they get a cut of the money.

so rather then come here and **** us, they come here and be coaches and ****, which means they are still here to bring hype, they are still here for people to money match or friendly against, but most importantly, they will be bringing the skill level in australia up somewhat.


still... pretty far fetched idea, probs wouldnt work very well in practice.

 

[swordsaint]

i actually...REALLY like that idea luke.

 

[Redact]

Well mango is already doing what youre saying for melee, if he comes that is.

as for a brawler... well idk hey whatever you guys can source/who you want.



The key thing here is for sponsoring vs pot size:

Will people donate to make a bigger pot?

 

[Dekar289]

does donating to the pot means the total pot including brawl? if so, brawlers would obviously prefer that to just donating towards mango's flights.
even melee players would prefer to donate to a pot inflation since that is working towards attracting more than 1 international.
if you're gunna go with that option, better set up the paypal and start spreading the word early...

 

[Redact]

I've already set up the pay pal and put it in the first post of the BAM thread, I guess ill just put it in the topic since its obvious people don't read it or something.

Either way I'd personally prefer to donate towards a specific player, not a pot inflation. Mostly so I can not only guarantee getting the players i want (id rather get just mango here than getting vectorman+leemartin+hungrybox+m2k+chudat+lain+shroomed or some ****, its about the specific players to me, not the quantity) but also because i prefer to not have any americans in singles bracket personally

 

[Splice]

Tournament run by redacts for redacts

and not for anybody else

 

[luke_atyeo]

oh man how can you not want shroomed?

 

[Redact]

I'm not going to stop you from putting your money into the game. But for me to inject any money into the pot myself = the tournament would be run how I want.

This money isn't coming from some third neutral party splice, its coming from me.

Whatever money people donate will be used how they wish for it to be used, but no one's put in anything so far (which i expect to change after reloaded/tax returns)

 

[Zxv]

I vote for sponsorship. Purely because having M2K over here was the second most educational experience for me (Melee) that I've ever experienced. First being http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n4s5yB7ZkE (obviously)

I guess I'd vote for Luke's idea then, because that makes me [very] happy, but also doesn't ruin the bracket which is what we all want to avoid.

 

[Splice]

Do any other smash communities not allow international players to enter because they so bad?

:C

Honestly Redact if I win Reloaded I'll sponsor someone myself
If I come 2nd or 3rd I'll also contribute but not as much obviously

 

[Redact]

Are any other international communities even this bad in the first place?

 

[luke_atyeo]

excellent point

 

[Splice]

Are any other international communities even this bad in the first place?

Nope, but either way not allowing internationals to enter the bracket is pretty pathetic. <___<

 

[Redact]

it may be pathetic, but the community prefers it

 

[Splice]

Meh, guess I am satisfied with this.

 

[xXArrowXx]

well i am happy for anyone to play... just not gonna pay their bills to take the pot... >.>

 

[T.REX]

bigger pot,
yanks can get ****ed