[SPOILER ALERT] - The Sevens Squares. - A Square-Enix general support threads.

[Fatmanonice]

Likely not happening. I doubt Nintendo is going to double dip on any third party, let alone Square Enix. Sora might happen, but I'll admit that's me holding futile hope.

Anything thinking that Dragon Quest's inclusion bodes well for another Square Enix character is in for massive disappointment.

What's another log on the fire? The expectations for DLC are already low for most people anyways, might as well let people have something. Like I said earlier, speculation is just kind of cold and joyless now because this is the direction it always goes now.

Like I said earlier, the point of my arguing is just to burn time because if it's a stark inevitability then nothing said will change anything. It's just kind of a mental exercise at this point as we all sit around in a predominantly empty stadium because expectations are simply that low that not a lot of people are really invested anymore.

 

[StormC]

My guess is if you weren't satisfied with the base roster DLC isn't going to change that. Either DLC is a nice bonus or more salt in the wound.

 

[Flyboy]

Speak for yourself dude, I'm having a great time.

Maybe the issue isn't speculating, but your own expectations and desires. For some people it's just neat to see more characters in general.

 

[Deleted member]

Shulk was revealed in a Japanese only 3DS Nintendo Direct, so there's a precedent for a Japanese only reveal. The Game Awards also bodes well for region-focused reveals as it's primarily an American event.

So then what's the point of your argument?

Are you arguing for hope? If so, the pessimistic and cynical tone of your argument doesn't convey that at all, and it seems like you're bashing on Dragon Quest and Square Enix moreso than arguing for any sort of hope.

Are you arguing against hope? If so, why? You said it yourself that expectations are at an all time low, so why beat a dead horse? Regardless, the tone of your argument and use of exaggeration advocates more for despair than against hope. There's a clear difference between the two as one leads to bitter resentment whereas the other leads to realistic expectations, with the latter being preferred.

Low expectations aren't a bad thing; having low expectations leads to low disappointment. The fanbase was on track for that until the Grinch hoax skyrocketed hopes, and fans have similarly looked into Joker's reveal as a scapegoat for their wildest dreams when in reality that's simply not the case.

Surely your argument has to be doing something else because it's not about hope.

I think it would make sense to reveal a character now but not show gameplay like Joker. Having two characters revealed but without gameplay and a release date gives Nintendo the Q1 and Q2 directs to expand on the characters. It'd probably go something like this:

• November 2018: The Plant reveal, gameplay, release date
• December 2018, Joker reveal at TGAs, Erdrick reveal at Jump Festa 2019
• Q1 & Q2 2019: Joker and Erdrick gameplay, release dates
• E3 2019: Fighter 3 and Fighter 4 reveals, Fighter 3 gameplay and release date
• Q3 & Q4 2019: Fighter 4 gameplay and release date, Fighter 5 reveal
• Q1 2020: Fighter 5 gameplay and release date

I wouldn't be surprised if Erdrick comes with gameplay unlike Joker though. There's room for variability in Q1 & Q2 2019 for Erdrick's reveal, gameplay, and release date.

What do you mean "general players?" GameFAQs and 4chan? Those places are salt mines and will never be happy. A couple of trolls and frat boys will be mad about no Goku, but again, that's a minority.

I understand that the Smash Bros. fanbase is one of the most immature of them all, and people would certainly be mad and disappointed, but not for those reasons.

Oh ‘casuals’ certainly want Goku. You mention it yourself when you talk about the smash bubble, but for people who don’t really care about the rules of who can get into smash or care about speculating, Goku would be cool because they like dragon ball and they like smash. Sure the idea’s kind of a meme, but that just means it gets more people thinking ‘You know what Goku in smash would be pretty cool’.

 

[Deleted member]

Speak for yourself dude, I'm having a great time.

Maybe the issue isn't speculating, but your own expectations and desires. For some people it's just neat to see more characters in general.

A lot of people just take this way too seriously. Like, I'm not even that interested in Persona but I can still appreciate Joker's inclusion. It's not always about getting exactly who you want all the time.

 

[Fatmanonice]

My guess is if you weren't satisfied with the base roster DLC isn't going to change that. Either DLC is a nice bonus or more salt in the wound.

Nothing wrong with the base roster but it would be nice to have something I actually care about for DLC. Honestly struck out there for Smash 4 too aside from Lucas to a small degree and the Mii costumes.

 

[GoodGrief741]

How is it stupid to think Eddrick is a shillpick if the biggest reason he gets in is that Square wants to push Dragon Quest? If you want Ederick in, be my guest but yeesh. It's shouldn't be so hard to realize why he would be.



Still doesn't change the fact that you could almost call the "no more anime swordsmen a literal moment" in Smash right now

Like I said earlier in this thread (the previous page to be exact)
"If I got money for each time I've heard "God I'm so sick about these anime swordsmen" during the time of speculating for the base roster, be it at GameStop where I jumped in for time to time, visiting friends outside of my town and go to a GameStop there, local tournaments of Smash 4, being outside the country looking for games etc... I would be a very rich man right now."

Like I said to Good Grief above. If you want Ederick in, more power to you, and I'm happy for you if he will. But look around you and you will see that Ederick wouldn't go over as easy as you seem to think

It is stupid to assume that a character from an NES game would be a shill pick. News flash: every company that puts its characters in Smash is interested in promoting them. Joker gets in Smash while his game is barely two years old, with a bunch of spin-offs and a rumored rerelease upcoming. Simon and Richter get in the same year a Castlevania collection and anime debut. Snake pops up in Brawl with MGS4 content months before MGS4’s debut. And then there’s Bayonetta. You’re being naive if you think companies put their characters into Smash purely out of love for the craft. There’s obviously interest there, and it’s only if there’s nothing but interest when you have a shill pick. Erdrick would represent one of the most important franchises in gaming and would be the most hype reveal imaginable for one of the most important markets in gaming. Mind you, Erdrick would be my last choice out of the seven rumored SE reps, but acting like there’s no reason to add him beyond promotion is nearsighted, and frankly comes off as selfish.

Also, I don’t think ‘looking around me’ is an accurate representation of how Erdrick would be received, considering we’re in the Square Enix thread where most people see him as competition for their preferred pick.

 

[StormC]

The mental exercises of Smash speculation are fun and all but are ultimately trivial. If someone isn't enjoying it, they should probably do other things.

Nobody is forced to post in this thread, let alone come to this forum. I mostly stay out of the General Thread nowadays because I do find modern speculation to be sort of blah, but smaller threads like these can be interesting because of the focus on one specific topic. I think this is a good place to hash out arguments and thought processes, as long as it doesn't get too snippy - easy for me to say though as someone with little investment in Square.

Nothing wrong with the base roster but it would be nice to have something I actually care about for DLC. Honestly struck out there for Smash 4 too aside from Lucas to a small degree and the Mii costumes.

That's sorta the beauty of DLC though, isn't it? You don't have to buy it. Me personally, I bought all the Smash 4 character/stage DLC just because I love Smash and want to have as much (meaningful) content as possible (I didn't buy any of the costumes besides K. Rool and Geno), but the only reveal that really did anything for me was Cloud (not counting the free Mewtwo). Still, I am waiting on the Fighter Pass for a must-have addition before I buy it, although ultimately I probably will get it anyway to have more stages and characters. A Banjo announcement would make me buy it blind, but a combination of something like Joker, Sora and Dante would be enough for me.

Of course it's easy to say this as a K. Rool supporter, but I got tired of being angry and disappointed during Smash 4 speculation. I just want to relax and enjoy the rest of the DLC for what it is. If Banjo doesn't make it (who would be a genuine S tier reveal for me), my reaction would be mostly "oh well," and then move on. It does suck for Geno fans because I think they got their hopes up, and for understandable reasons, but if I was in that spot, I would probably want to not spend the next year being bitter (which isn't necessarily what you're doing, just as a general sentiment). Not that Geno is out of the running or anything, but... well, what's done is done, I guess.

My expectations for DLC are similarly low, but I don't want to be sad or grumpy about it. Just trying to take it in stride.

 

[Deleted member]

I’ve been mostly arguing in favour of Erdrick, but I can easily see why people are disappointed that he’s looking likely. Ultimately if you’re a western person you’re likely to not know who he is, or much about basilisk pursuit in general. Sure people say that DQ is huge in japan, but if you’ve never been to Japan it can just seem like an excuse almost (not sure if that’s the right word).
Characters aren’t really competing with each other, but seeing this random guy you don’t know with a relatively generic design (although it’s understandable for Erdrick’s case considering his age) get in before Geno/Sora/Crono/whoever from square can understandably sting a bit.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

What's another log on the fire? The expectations for DLC are already low for most people anyways, might as well let people have something. Like I said earlier, speculation is just kind of cold and joyless now because this is the direction it always goes now.

What is speculation supposed to be for you then? It's always been like this for as far as I can remember. While I certainly haven't been around as long as you, I've been here for Sm4sh and Ultimate speculation and it's always been people getting their hopes way too high, fighting tooth and nail against leaks that conflict with what they want, and either getting the character they want and moving on or getting their hopes dashed. From what I understand Brawl and Melee speculation were just like this as well.

Smash fans have always had a problem with keeping their expectations in check, and they often count their eggs before they've hatched. The Smash fanbase gets its negative reputation due to the toxicity that results when people expect things that don't happen and lash out at others because of it. Why feed into that behavior?

 

[Deleted member]

What is speculation supposed to be for you then? It's always been like this for as far as I can remember. While I certainly haven't been around as long as you, I've been here for Sm4sh and Ultimate speculation and it's always been people getting their hopes way too high, fighting tooth and nail against leaks that conflict with what they want, and either getting the character they want and moving on or getting their hopes dashed. From what I understand Brawl speculation was just like this as well.

Smash fans have always had a problem with keeping their expectations in check, and they often count their eggs before they've hatched. The Smash fanbase gets its negative reputation due to the toxicity that results when people expect things that don't happen and lash out at others because of it. Why feed into that behavior?

I remember reading ChronoBound (or Snakey technically)’s write up on what Melee speculation was like, and he said that when the roster was leaked people thought it was so bad that there’s no way it could be real, with people challenging others to come up with a worse roster than the leak. When it was proven true, of course anger rised.

 

[Icewolff92]

It is stupid to assume that a character from an NES game would be a shill pick. News flash: every company that puts its characters in Smash is interested in promoting them. Joker gets in Smash while his game is barely two years old, with a bunch of spin-offs and a rumored rerelease upcoming. Simon and Richter get in the same year a Castlevania collection and anime debut. Snake pops up in Brawl with MGS4 content months before MGS4’s debut. And then there’s Bayonetta. You’re being naive if you think companies put their characters into Smash purely out of love for the craft. There’s obviously interest there, and it’s only if there’s nothing but interest when you have a shill pick. Erdrick would represent one of the most important franchises in gaming and would be the most hype reveal imaginable for one of the most important markets in gaming. Mind you, Erdrick would be my last choice out of the seven rumored SE reps, but acting like there’s no reason to add him beyond promotion is nearsighted, and frankly comes off as selfish.

Also, I don’t think ‘looking around me’ is an accurate representation of how Erdrick would be received, considering we’re in the Square Enix thread where most people see him as competition for their preferred pick.

It's not stupid to call it that, because Edrick is sort of in the same boat as Corrin was, only this time change promoting the game to the franchise in general. Therefore, he is a shill pick and a big one at that.

Snake was in only because he was doing a friend a favor. It's commonly known that Snake got in because Kojima asked him since his son wanted to play Snake in Smash Bros.

Sure, Bayonetta and Belmont have something to promote (especially the former), but they are at least known worldwide. Dragon Quest for the majority of the west is a literal who.

I don't think everyone is in because of a love of the craft. But that doesn't make something like Dragon Quest less shill then it is. Especially when Square has someone like Sora who would be more hype worldwide.

I'm not saying that Ederick should not get in. He has fans, and it's awesome for them if he does get in. But acting like the reason that he is in for the fans, all things considered, is what I call naive

 

[Fatmanonice]

Speculation is just mulling at this point because each cycle almost has enforced pragmatism even when the unexpected happens. It's like the snap of a rubber band and the default is now deadpan (or else). Even the implication here is that I'm sending out "negative vibes" by arguing. The Smash fanbase isn't toxic because of arguments made in public forums, it's because people will do things like never stop asking for things even when told by Nintendo employees to stop, death threats, sexual harassment at tournaments, a common problem of lack of hygiene among tournament goers, etc. Me disagreeing is not toxic. I'm not DMing people. I'm not threatening or flaming (is that still common slang?) anyone. I'm not making videos calling anyone out. I'm just being argumentative, not dropping bowling balls on children's birthday cakes. We've gotten to this point where even disagreeing is "bad" and "toxic" when all you have to do is hop over to Game FAQs to get real crash courses on inappropriate online interactions.

 

[StormC]

I’ve been mostly arguing in favour of Erdrick, but I can easily see why people are disappointed that he’s looking likely. Ultimately if you’re a western person you’re likely to not know who he is, or much about basilisk pursuit in general. Sure people say that DQ is huge in japan, but if you’ve never been to Japan it can just seem like an excuse almost (not sure if that’s the right word).
Characters aren’t really competing with each other, but seeing this random guy you don’t know with a relatively generic design (although it’s understandable for Erdrick’s case considering his age) get in before Geno/Sora/Crono/whoever from square can understandably sting a bit.

If Dragon Quest was localized as Basilisk Pursuit, it would have been a surefire hit overseas.

 

[EarlTamm]

If Dragon Quest was localized as Basilisk Pursuit, it would have been a surefire hit overseas.

It is a pretty awesome name.

 

[Icewolff92]

I’ve been mostly arguing in favour of Erdrick, but I can easily see why people are disappointed that he’s looking likely. Ultimately if you’re a western person you’re likely to not know who he is, or much about basilisk pursuit in general. Sure people say that DQ is huge in japan, but if you’ve never been to Japan it can just seem like an excuse almost (not sure if that’s the right word).
Characters aren’t really competing with each other, but seeing this random guy you don’t know with a relatively generic design (although it’s understandable for Erdrick’s case considering his age) get in before Geno/Sora/Crono/whoever from square can understandably sting a bit.

Is he really likely do? I mean.. it's not impossible. But is it really as likely as people claim it is?
We all have the licensing problems that are split between more than just one studio political opinions be dammed.
If Square was so difficult to work with when it comes to getting Cloud back.. what's to say that the rest of the Dragon Quest owners would be co-operative to? If licensing would be as easy as some of you might think. why would Chris Sabat and Sean Schimmel, who has worked with an Akira Toriyama for I don't know how long says that licensing laws there makes Gokus chances (who I'm using as an example because Akira) is like Microsoft and Mac or Coke and Pepsi joining forces on a product? Here is the link to a video where they said that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pht_PjI55UI


Yes, I know that Polar Panda, Xenother, Hitagi, and Vergeben how all heard Ederick the most. But how can we with a straight face saying (with no disrespect for them, because I do believe that they have heard it) it's evidence when no one called The Joker, and Square is known to spread false information in order to cover up leaks? For what we all know Ederick could be the leakbait. I mean, spreading it to the point that the false is heard more than then the real one is a solid tactic. I'm more in line right now that no one really knows the DLC like Polar and Ryces have said before right now

The only real evidence we have is if that leak who mention Ederick who claims to know Jokers stage and moves are right when it comes to the Joker part. Now that's would be something that would point towards him more than anything. At least with Steve/Banjo, there are unused Rare spirits left in the code.

 

[Deleted member]

Is he really likely do? I mean.. it's not impossible. But is it really as likely as people claim it is?
We all have the licensing problems that are split between more than just one studio political opinions be dammed.
If Square was so difficult to work with when it comes to getting Cloud back.. what's to say that the rest of the Dragon Quest owners would be co-operative to? If licensing would be as easy as some of you might think. why would Chris Sabat and Sean Schimmel, who has worked with an Akira Toriyama for I don't know how long says that licensing laws there makes Gokus chances (who I'm using as an example because Akira) is like Microsoft and Mac or Coke and Pepsi joining forces on a product? Here is the link to a video where they said that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pht_PjI55UI


Yes, I know that Polar Panda, Xenother, Hitagi, and Vergeben how all heard Ederick the most. But how can we with a straight face saying (with no disrespect for them, because I do believe that they have heard it) it's evidence when no one called The Joker, and Square is known to spread false information in order to cover up leaks? For what we all know Ederick could be the leakbait. I mean, spreading it to the point that the false is heard more than then the real one is a solid tactic.

The only real evidence we have is if that leak who mention Ederick who claims to know Jokers stage and moves are right when it comes to the Joker part. Now that's would be something that would point towards him more than anything.

I say looking likely because most people here currently seem to think it’s him. It’s why we’re having this discussion in the first place. How likely he actually is isn’t really that relevant.

 

[Icewolff92]

I say looking likely because most people here currently seem to think it’s him. It’s why we’re having this discussion in the first place. How likely he actually is isn’t really that relevant.

I know. But how can we even say "most likely" all things considered? That's what I mean.

 

[StormC]

Speculation is just mulling at this point because each cycle almost has enforced pragmatism even when the unexpected happens. It's like the snap of a rubber band and the default is now deadpan (or else). Even the implication here is that I'm sending out "negative vibes" by arguing. The Smash fanbase isn't toxic because of arguments made in public forums, it's because people will do things like never stop asking for things even when told by Nintendo employees to stop, death threats, sexual harassment at tournaments, a common problem of lack of hygiene among tournament goers, etc. Me disagreeing is not toxic. I'm not DMing people. I'm not threatening or flaming (is that still common slang?) anyone. I'm not making videos calling anyone out. I'm just being argumentative, not dropping bowling balls on children's birthday cakes. We've gotten to this point where even disagreeing is "bad" and "toxic" when all you have to do is hop over to Game FAQs to get real crash courses on inappropriate online interactions.

Personally I just don’t like when speculation becomes “this character sucks, MY character is better!” Which isn’t necessarily what you’re doing in so many words, but that sentiment is kinda in the air of this thread. Which is understandable and a far better place for it than the Geno/Erdrick/Sora/etc. threads, I suppose, but I think some people take it too personally or become defensive.

Like, I don’t want Steve in Smash. I think he wouldn’t be what I want out of a fighter in the series. But that has nothing to do with me wanting Banjo, and if Steve got in and Banjo didn’t, I wouldn’t think “Steve took Banjo’s slot,” it would just mean Banjo didn’t get in and for all we know was never even considered (though the Rare datamine casts that idea into doubt, but still).

I’m glad K. Rool got in before Dixie because if nothing else I would loathe to think how some fans would treat Dixie just because she isn’t K. Rool. Unfortunately the downside of that is that most of the fair weather support for her is gone now that we have a “DK rep” and her role as an anti-K. Rool for detractors is, as they say...irrelevant.

What is this thread about again? Anyway, if this Square character exists, I hope they’re revealed soon so we can put all this behind us.

 

[Deleted member]

I know. But how can we even say "most likely" all things considered? That's what I mean.

Because most ‘evidence’ and thoughts seem to be leaning towards Erdrick. He could still very well not get in or not be as likely as we think. That’s why it’s speculation.

 

[TheCJBrine]

To be fair, you could also say that Erdick being mentioned the most could be because Square is actually planning on him being the DLC.

The only problem I have with this is that it makes Square seem more careless or simply just normal than super paranoid and strict as people have claimed; people getting fired because of Vergeben's info getting out? Yes, I'm sure Nintendo and literally every other company would do the same.

 

[Fatmanonice]

@liquidmetalslime You know I have absolutely nothing against you personally as a person because you like Dragon Quest, right? I want this established right here and now before I'm handcuffed for being a domestic terrorist.

 

[Deleted member]

@liquidmetalslime You know I have absolutely nothing against you personally as a person because you like Dragon Quest, right? I want this established right here and now before I'm handcuffed for being a domestic terrorist.

Too late. I’m taking you in.

 

[Dr. Jojo Phantasma]

Honestly before this week I never thought a Dragon Quest character could bring so much argument and maybe a little drama. Smash speculation sure is something.

 

[Deleted member]

@liquidmetalslime You know I have absolutely nothing against you personally as a person because you like Dragon Quest, right? I want this established right here and now before I'm handcuffed for being a domestic terrorist.

...Did I insinuate that? You never came off as that way lol

 

[Deleted member]

Personally I just don’t like when speculation becomes “this character sucks, MY character is better!” Which isn’t necessarily what you’re doing in so many words, but that sentiment is kinda in the air of this thread. Which is understandable and a far better place for it than the Geno/Erdrick/Sora/etc. threads, I suppose, but I think some people take it too personally or become defensive.

Like, I don’t want Steve in Smash. I think he wouldn’t be what I want out of a fighter in the series. But that has nothing to do with me wanting Banjo, and if Steve got in and Banjo didn’t, I wouldn’t think “Steve took Banjo’s slot,” it would just mean Banjo didn’t get in and for all we know was never even considered (though the Rare datamine casts that idea into doubt, but still).

I’m glad K. Rool got in before Dixie because if nothing else I would loathe to think how some fans would treat Dixie just because she isn’t K. Rool. Unfortunately the downside of that is that most of the fair weather support for her is gone now that we have a “DK rep” and her role as an anti-K. Rool for detractors is, as they say...irrelevant.

What is this thread about again? Anyway, if this Square character exists, I hope they’re revealed soon so we can put all this behind us.

off topic, but what's the Rare datamine?

 

[Icewolff92]

Because most ‘evidence’ and thoughts seem to be leaning towards Erdrick. He could still very well not get in or not be as likely as we think. That’s why it’s speculation.

How is leakers who have yet to be right about a single DLC evidence right now though combined with how Square is known to be? At least with the grinchleak (and I say this as a "TeamFake") there was stuff around it that makes me understand why people would think. Heck as far as we know, the entire list is false and there is no square rep/someone like Nekku, 2B or Noctis

 

[StormC]

off topic, but what's the Rare datamine?

Blast Corps and Jet Force Gemini data was found unused in the game.

 

[Deleted member]

off topic, but what's the Rare datamine?

Data for unused spirits from Jet Force Gemini and Blast Corps. were found in the game

 

[Icewolff92]

off topic, but what's the Rare datamine?

Blast Corps and Jet Force Gemini code have been found, most likely for spirits.

 

[Deleted member]

Honestly before this week I never thought a Dragon Quest character could bring so much argument and maybe a little drama. Smash speculation sure is something.

Like I've said I just wish people could be more open-minded about this. DQ totally deserves to be represented in the game, I do understand people's woes about "shilling" but we don't even know for sure if that's the case. Sakurai himself is a DQ fan and it's likely many of the higher-ups choosing DLC are as well.

 

[EarlTamm]

Personally I just don’t like when speculation becomes “this character sucks, MY character is better!” Which isn’t necessarily what you’re doing in so many words, but that sentiment is kinda in the air of this thread. Which is understandable and a far better place for it than the Geno/Erdrick/Sora/etc. threads, I suppose, but I think some people take it too personally or become defensive.

Like, I don’t want Steve in Smash. I think he wouldn’t be what I want out of a fighter in the series. But that has nothing to do with me wanting Banjo, and if Steve got in and Banjo didn’t, I wouldn’t think “Steve took Banjo’s slot,” it would just mean Banjo didn’t get in and for all we know was never even considered (though the Rare datamine casts that idea into doubt, but still).

I’m glad K. Rool got in before Dixie because if nothing else I would loathe to think how some fans would treat Dixie just because she isn’t K. Rool. Unfortunately the downside of that is that most of the fair weather support for her is gone now that we have a “DK rep” and her role as an anti-K. Rool for detractors is, as they say...irrelevant.

What is this thread about again? Anyway, if this Square character exists, I hope they’re revealed soon so we can put all this behind us.

I feel like we should find a way to make this atmosphere a little better though. I don't exactly want this thread to have a sub-purpose of catching negativity from the individual support threads. On the Geno thread at least, we would often share our history with SMRPG or what we liked when it came to certain things as a way to make the group more tight knit or to just distract from possible flame wars. Maybe we should share why we support the character we support rather than trying to tear down other's. At the very least, I feel the thread at large will come to a better understanding of it's members and be a bit more civil in the future. I am certainly curious how some people here got into a game series as niche in the west as Dragon Quest.

 

[Fatmanonice]

...Did I insinuate that? You never came off as that way lol

No, I'm joking, but my point is that you can outright slam characters and not think bad of the people supporting them. This is a general thread which is why I've said what I've said here. I'm blunt, but I understand etiquette. It's not like I'm kicking the door open of the Erdrick support thread and being like "whaddup ****ers? Who's ready for Uncle Fatman's hot, fresh, and just for you® opinions?" or like personally attacking people. Because this is a reoccurring theme, mods can jump in if they think I'm out of line and need to STFU for the safety and well-being of the Smash/Dragon Quest communities.

 

[Deleted member]

I am certainly curious how some people here got into a game series as niche in the west as Dragon Quest.

I recall a friend of mine a while back giving me their copy of DQ5 on DS after they beat it and it just kind of went from there lol.
Plus in general even if that hadn't happened I've always been a big fan of turn-based JRPGs so it was likely to get to me sooner or later.

 

[beans]

How is leakers who have yet to be right about a single DLC evidence right now though combined with how Square is known to be? At least with the grinchleak (and I say this as a "TeamFake") there was stuff around it that makes me understand why people would think. Heck as far as we know, the entire list is false and there is no square rep/someone like Nekku, 2B or Noctis

The list was the leakbait all along, and to make sure the alternate wouldnt be found out, the actual SE list is
Blue Goku
Red Goku
Gooku
Boshi
Bartz
Shiki with a Shiki costume
and Pink Gold Cloud

 

[StormC]

No, I'm joking, but my point is that you can outright slam characters and not think bad of the people supporting them. This is a general thread which is why I've said what I've said here. I'm blunt, but I understand etiquette. It's not like I'm kicking the door open of the Erdrick support thread and being like "whaddup ****ers? Who's ready for Uncle Fatman's hot, fresh, and just for you® opinions?" or like personally attacking people. Because this is a reoccurring theme, mods can jump in if they think I'm out of line and need to STFU for the safety and well-being of the Smash/Dragon Quest communities.

I think it’s the hyperbole you lean on so often that can make you come off as hostile, even if you aren’t trying to be. Statements like calling yourself a domestic terrorist are a bit much.

I know we got into it before in the Geno thread, but I think one can be argumentative and passionate without taking statements to the extreme as often.

 

[Deleted member]

Bartz

For the love of God, stop playing with my emotions.

 

[Deleted member]

How is leakers who have yet to be right about a single DLC evidence right now though combined with how Square is known to be? At least with the grinchleak (and I say this as a "TeamFake") there was stuff around it that makes me understand why people would think. Heck as far as we know, the entire list is false and there is no square rep/someone like Nekku, 2B or Noctis

Yeah, I just wanted to put my thoughts on the erdrick stuff in a bit.

 

[Icewolff92]

Like I've said I just wish people could be more open-minded about this. DQ totally deserves to be represented in the game, I do understand people's woes about "shilling" but we don't even know for sure if that's the case. Sakurai himself is a DQ fan and it's likely many of the higher-ups choosing DLC are as well.

Like I said before in an earlier post. Would I be hyped towards Edrick? Not really. fI there is any Square rep I am interested in, then it's Geno.
But with that said. Am I against him? Even though it would have some bad taste in my mouth because it's obvious why he would be included, as well as I'm a bit tired of seeing swords making me want to call this game Super Smash Soul Calibur soon, the only one I'm truly against is characters such as Goku.

However, I do that people think Edrick will go over all fine and well, all things considering, knowing the landscape o Smash Bros fandom and what I've noticed first hand is a bit naive. I can't say that I can see Edrick get a fabulous response to say the least, but I hope for his fans would he get in that it wouldn't bee that bad.. but it would have to be a Christmas miracle for that to happen

 

[FLGibsonIII]

I always expected a DQ rep, but it would be funny if square was just taking these leakers for a ride with the rep being from DQ. If the claim that square is a paranoid company that spreads leak bait habitually is actually true, then I hardly think DQ is lock at this point.