[SPOILER ALERT] - The Sevens Squares. - A Square-Enix general support threads.

[Deleted member]

I always expected a DQ rep, but it would be funny if square was just taking these leakers for a ride with the rep being from DQ. If the claim that square is a paranoid company that spreads leak bait habitually is actually true, then I hardly think DQ is lock at this point.

Nah, that just means the truth is that it's SLIME TIME! lol

 

[-Coco-]

I feel like we should find a way to make this atmosphere a little better though. I don't exactly want this thread to have a sub-purpose of catching negativity from the individual support threads. On the Geno thread at least, we would often share our history with SMRPG or what we liked when it came to certain things as a way to make the group more tight knit or to just distract from possible flame wars. Maybe we should share why we support the character we support rather than trying to tear down other's. At the very least, I feel the thread at large will come to a better understanding of it's members and be a bit more civil in the future. I am certainly curious how some people here got into a game series as niche in the west as Dragon Quest.

Oh boy storytime. So I was dating this girl on and off for 2 and a half years, absolutely toxic relationship both physically (Let's just say she would hit me a lot) and mentally (in the end she cheated but that's w.e). The one thing her and I used to do together was play/talk about Mario games. So once the fallout of the relationship happened I found myself unable to touch/play any of the games I used to when i was in a relationship. Me being massively into gaming found myself yearning to play something so I picked up DQ 1 after hearing its influence on the genre through a hardcore gaming 101 article. It was the only series I could touch through all my depressive episodes and here we are. Attached is an image of me with Yuji Horii (I'm dressed as the protag from DQ5.) I took a flight out to Cali just for the opportunity. Been a die hard fan since.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I'll go ahead and say it. If someone asks for something that's not backed by leakers, it gets policed pretty hard. This whole speculation cycle has been particularly bad and it's been an ongoing thing since Smash 4. "Did Vergeben/Hitagi say it would be in the game? No? Yeah, I'll just kindly ask you to, uh, *smacks lips* KYS at your earliest convenience, s'il vous plait." Even K. Rool fans were getting dumped on for awhile because of this. That's why one of the best moments of Smash 4's speculation was the fall of the Gematsu leak because "nope, if it's not on the list, it's not in the game" was on repeat for months until that happened. Leakers aren't bad people and I feel like this is an unintended consequence but we have a nasty habit of just assuming leakers with good track records are always right and squashing anything that's outside of it. I feel this explains the current landscape and why it's honestly a downer. The Decidueye fanbase practically dissolved overnight once Vergeben said boo. He was right but they just flat out gave up at that point and similar scenarios have happened an uncomfortable amount this cycle.

 

[Icewolff92]

Oh boy storytime. So I was dating this girl on and off for 2 and a half years, absolutely toxic relationship both physically (Let's just say she would hit me a lot) and mentally (in the end she cheated but that's w.e). The one thing her and I used to do together was play/talk about Mario games. So once the fallout of the relationship happened I found myself unable to touch/play any of the games I used to when i was in a relationship. Me being massively into gaming found myself yearning to play something so I picked up DQ 1 after hearing its influence on the genre through a hardcore gaming 101 article. It was the only series I could touch through all my depressive episodes and here we are. Attached is an image of me with Yuji Horii (I'm dressed as the protag from DQ5.) I took a flight out to Cali just for the opportunity. Been a die hard fan since.

As someone that currently lives with PTSD, I hope it'it's all solved with the depression now. Sorry to hear all that, but awesome that you found something to help you through

 

[EarlTamm]

Oh boy storytime. So I was dating this girl on and off for 2 and a half years, absolutely toxic relationship both physically (Let's just say she would hit me a lot) and mentally (in the end she cheated but that's w.e). The one thing her and I used to do together was play/talk about Mario games. So once the fallout of the relationship happened I found myself unable to touch/play any of the games I used to when i was in a relationship. Me being massively into gaming found myself yearning to play something so I picked up DQ 1 after hearing its influence on the genre through a hardcore gaming 101 article. It was the only series I could touch through all my depressive episodes and here we are. Attached is an image of me with Yuji Horii (I'm dressed as the protag from DQ5. I took a flight out to Cali just for the opportunity. Been a die hard fan since.

Well, I am glad the series got you through that time in your life. Can't say I know Yuji Horii beyond the quick Google search I did, but I imagine it was rather amazing to meet the guy as a DQ fan.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh boy storytime. So I was dating this girl on and off for 2 and a half years, absolutely toxic relationship both physically (Let's just say she would hit me a lot) and mentally (in the end she cheated but that's w.e). The one thing her and I used to do together was play/talk about Mario games. So once the fallout of the relationship happened I found myself unable to touch/play any of the games I used to when i was in a relationship. Me being massively into gaming found myself yearning to play something so I picked up DQ 1 after hearing its influence on the genre through a hardcore gaming 101 article. It was the only series I could touch through all my depressive episodes and here we are. Attached is an image of me with Yuji Horii (I'm dressed as the protag from DQ5.) I took a flight out to Cali just for the opportunity. Been a die hard fan since.

That's good that you could get out of that situation. And, your cosplay is awesome!

 

[StormC]

I'll go ahead and say it. If someone asks for something that's not backed by leakers, it gets policed pretty hard. This whole speculation cycle has been particularly bad and it's been an ongoing thing since Smash 4. "Did Vergeben/Hitagi say it would be in the game? No? Yeah, I'll just kindly ask you to, uh, *smacks lips* KYS at your earliest convenience, s'il vous plait." Even K. Rool fans were getting dumped on for awhile because of this. That's why one of the best moments of Smash 4's speculation was the fall of the Gematsu leak because "nope, if it's not on the list, it's not in the game" was on repeat for months until that happened. Leakers aren't bad people and I feel like this is an unintended consequence but we have a nasty habit of just assuming leakers with good track records are always right and squashing anything that's outside of it. I feel this explains the current landscape and why it's honestly a downer. The Decidueye fanbase practically dissolved overnight once Vergeben said boo. He was right but they just flat out gave up at that point and similar scenarios have happened an uncomfortable amount this cycle.

I agree that leakers are crappy. They generate cult of personalities and, well, spoil what could have been so many pleasant surprises. I don't know why people sometimes encourage them, especially when they come to this site. I don't want stuff to leak. I want every reveal to be unexpected. I'd be pretty disappointed if K. Rool was leaked, honestly.

It's become a thing now where you try to get "in" with the insiders for, uh... internet social clout.

 

[Deleted member]

I'll go ahead and say it. If someone asks for something that's not backed by leakers, it gets policed pretty hard. This whole speculation cycle has been particularly bad and it's been an ongoing thing since Smash 4. "Did Vergeben/Hitagi say it would be in the game? No? Yeah, I'll just kindly ask you to, uh, *smacks lips* KYS at your earliest convenience, s'il vous plait." Even K. Rool fans were getting dumped on for awhile because of this. That's why one of the best moments of Smash 4's speculation was the fall of the Gematsu leak because "nope, if it's not on the list, it's not in the game" was on repeat for months until that happened. Leakers aren't bad people and I feel like this is an unintended consequence but we have a nasty habit of just assuming leakers with good track records are always right and squashing anything that's outside of it. I feel this explains the current landscape and why it's honestly a downer. The Decidueye fanbase practically dissolved overnight once Vergeben said boo. He was right but they just flat out gave up at that point and similar scenarios have happened an uncomfortable amount this cycle.

This. Discussion feels so stifled because it always comes down to “ Oh you’re talking about this character that isn’t on a big leak? That’s cute. Now back to Incineroar...”. I wish conversation could be more free for lack of a better term.

 

[-Coco-]

As someone that currently lives with PTSD, I hope it'it's all solved with the depression now. Sorry to hear all that, but awesome that you found something to help you through

It's getting there. It runs in my family so it's a process.

Well, I am glad the series got you through that time in your life. Can't say I know Yuji Horii beyond the quick Google search I did, but I imagine it was rather amazing to meet the guy as a DQ fan.

He's honestly just a really humble guy. Dude was just walking around the con floor casually without any security or anything. He also asked if I married bianca when I showed him my cosplay. (Bianca is one of three wives you can Marry in DQ5.) I highly recommend watching this video when you can. It shows exactly the kind of person he is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZV...k2O9fwZEirTqyw033TX6uFDa5YuzgI9kaR6e1Y4_uxR7w just make sure subs are on.

That's good that you could get out of that situation. And, your cosplay is awesome!

Thanks!

 

[Deleted member]

I agree that leakers are crappy. They generate cult of personalities and, well, spoil what could have been so many pleasant surprises. I don't know why people sometimes encourage them, especially when they come to this site. I don't want stuff to leak. I want every reveal to be unexpected. I'd be pretty disappointed if K. Rool was leaked, honestly.

It's become a thing now where you try to get "in" with the insiders for, uh... internet social clout.

I also feel like there's a degree of... insincerity that's mixed in too. Certainly not on Smashboards (that I've seen at least) but in other places on the internet, it's not really about backing characters you genuinely want but just sticking to whoever's been leaked.
I guess that puts me in a lucky position but at the same time it gives me pretty mixed feelings.

 

[Hydrualic Hydra]

I personally attribute no weight to any insider claims about DLC until something of actual value is uncovered or something turns out to actually be true. Not even two weeks ago the narrative was 'Geno and Sephiroth are absolutely the furthest along in the running', and the consensus was 'the VGAs will either have no Smash and Metroid, or the SE rep', and now it's switched to 'everyone is mos def in agreeance it's Erdrick' and it was made clear nobody really had any idea what was going on at the VGAs.

I'm inclined to believe Verge, given he was 100% right about base game, but his DLC claims grow increasingly shaky and reek of trying to lead people on like loz18 did way back after he ran out of good info (plus, Verge 'knowing' Minecraft all the way back in June makes less and less sense the longer we go without any kind of info). The only original claim Hitagi has ever made was Katalina, and that only proved they had inside information with another game, not Smash. I'm willing to give xenother the benefit of the doubt in regards to 'it may or may not be the 22nd' and won't turn on him if nothing happens, but at the same time have no stock in it, it's an (almost purposedly) ambiguous statement.

We don't have nearly enough concrete information to actually say we know for certain who the Square Enix character is. Hell, if the VGA blowout taught us ANYTHING, there may not even BE one. I got grinched hard enough to know that the only thing that should be believed is irrefutable, overwhelming evidence of in-game content.

The existence of this topic is great, this is a topic that should be debated, but how so many can act like the future is already set in stone in regards to who the SE character is (or if there even is one at this point) when the VGAs proved everyone knew a lot less than they let on is beyond me.

 

[Nemuresu]

I'll go ahead and say it. If someone asks for something that's not backed by leakers, it gets policed pretty hard. This whole speculation cycle has been particularly bad and it's been an ongoing thing since Smash 4. "Did Vergeben/Hitagi say it would be in the game? No? Yeah, I'll just kindly ask you to, uh, *smacks lips* KYS at your earliest convenience, s'il vous plait." Even K. Rool fans were getting dumped on for awhile because of this. That's why one of the best moments of Smash 4's speculation was the fall of the Gematsu leak because "nope, if it's not on the list, it's not in the game" was on repeat for months until that happened. Leakers aren't bad people and I feel like this is an unintended consequence but we have a nasty habit of just assuming leakers with good track records are always right and squashing anything that's outside of it. I feel this explains the current landscape and why it's honestly a downer. The Decidueye fanbase practically dissolved overnight once Vergeben said boo. He was right but they just flat out gave up at that point and similar scenarios have happened an uncomfortable amount this cycle.

I mean, yeah, leakers are taken too seriously at times, but many just seem to view them in black and white ideals, if they don't say an specific detail, they start to act like everything they said was a ruse. I remember running into people on-site and off-site about that: the original E3 announcement, Simon, Isabelle, Incineroar, all were discredited for what I'd call really petty reasons (not saying "everyone is back", not mentioning Richter or K. Rool, not being part of the Grinch ruse or any speculative theory like the Music Theory, and sometimes even twisting events that are either erroneous or simply don't have anything to do with the leaks, like claiming Vergeben said no DK newcomers or the list with Noctis, which he said was bull**** before it could even debunk itself). So no, wanting them to be wrong doesn't change things that much, which is why I don't bother dealing with users like SmashChu anymore, they're too adamant to view things from a wider perspective instead of playing the (not quite) objectivist way.
Also, I remember going back and forth between /v/ and /vp/, the Decidueye fanbase got quite hotheaded with the Grinch leak being so impossible to debunk that they dedicated threads to themselves quite often. So no, they didn't dissolve until Incineroar got announced.

 

[beans]

I personally attribute no weight to any insider claims about DLC until something of actual value is uncovered or something turns out to actually be true. Not even two weeks ago the narrative was 'Geno and Sephiroth are absolutely the furthest along in the running', and the consensus was 'the VGAs will either have no Smash and Metroid, or the SE rep', and now it's switched to 'everyone is mos def in agreeance it's Erdrick' and it was made clear nobody really had any idea what was going on at the VGAs.

I'm inclined to believe Verge, given he was 100% right about base game, but his DLC claims grow increasingly shaky and reek of trying to lead people on like loz18 did way back after he ran out of good info (plus, Verge 'knowing' Minecraft all the way back in June makes less and less sense the longer we go without any kind of info). The only original claim Hitagi has ever made was Katalina, and that only proved they had inside information with another game, not Smash. I'm willing to give xenother the benefit of the doubt in regards to 'it may or may not be the 22nd' and won't turn on him if nothing happens, but at the same time have no stock in it, it's an (almost purposedly) ambiguous statement.

We don't have nearly enough concrete information to actually say we know for certain who the Square Enix character is. Hell, if the VGA blowout taught us ANYTHING, there may not even BE one. I got grinched hard enough to know that the only thing that should be believed is irrefutable, overwhelming evidence of in-game content.

The existence of this topic is great, this is a topic that should be debated, but how so many can act like the future is already set in stone in regards to who the SE character is (or if there even is one at this point) when the VGAs proved everyone knew a lot less than they let on is beyond me.

There is something really interesting for me about Minecraft state in the leak scenario

Reset era guy-I-dont-Know-the-Name says that Verge shouldnt know anything about Minecraft, because that info would have already reached him before hitting the public, and that Verge was the only one claiming such info exists.

Hitagi put his chips in Steve as a fighter for sure. He is certain of it last time I checked and probally has something really convincing for he to be so sure bout it.

Verge however hasnt made his moves in a statement. The most solid thing he said is that it's coming and the latest statement from his preferred source was "Minecraft representation is a boss"

Verge and Hitagi are know to crosscheck info, since they share some sources but still have different ones.

Why do Verge and Hitagi not share the same opinions?
What makes Hitagi sure about it? Is it something Verge knows but doesnt believe or new info to him?
Why was Reset Era Guy sure that Verge shouldnt have the info before him?

By the looks of it there are just big discrepancies about the Minecraft info and that the insiders dont have the full picture about it, even assuming that the bits we have are real.

 

[Icewolff92]

I personally attribute no weight to any insider claims about DLC until something of actual value is uncovered or something turns out to actually be true. Not even two weeks ago the narrative was 'Geno and Sephiroth are absolutely the furthest along in the running', and the consensus was 'the VGAs will either have no Smash and Metroid, or the SE rep', and now it's switched to 'everyone is mos def in agreeance it's Erdrick' and it was made clear nobody really had any idea what was going on at the VGAs.

I'm inclined to believe Verge, given he was 100% right about base game, but his DLC claims grow increasingly shaky and reek of trying to lead people on like loz18 did way back after he ran out of good info (plus, Verge 'knowing' Minecraft all the way back in June makes less and less sense the longer we go without any kind of info). The only original claim Hitagi has ever made was Katalina, and that only proved they had inside information with another game, not Smash. I'm willing to give xenother the benefit of the doubt in regards to 'it may or may not be the 22nd' and won't turn on him if nothing happens, but at the same time have no stock in it, it's an (almost purposedly) ambiguous statement.

We don't have nearly enough concrete information to actually say we know for certain who the Square Enix character is. Hell, if the VGA blowout taught us ANYTHING, there may not even BE one. I got grinched hard enough to know that the only thing that should be believed is irrefutable, overwhelming evidence of in-game content.

The existence of this topic is great, this is a topic that should be debated, but how so many can act like the future is already set in stone in regards to who the SE character is (or if there even is one at this point) when the VGAs proved everyone knew a lot less than they let on is beyond me.

Agreed

 

[PolarPanda]

I personally attribute no weight to any insider claims about DLC until something of actual value is uncovered or something turns out to actually be true. Not even two weeks ago the narrative was 'Geno and Sephiroth are absolutely the furthest along in the running', and the consensus was 'the VGAs will either have no Smash and Metroid, or the SE rep', and now it's switched to 'everyone is mos def in agreeance it's Erdrick' and it was made clear nobody really had any idea what was going on at the VGAs.

I'm inclined to believe Verge, given he was 100% right about base game, but his DLC claims grow increasingly shaky and reek of trying to lead people on like loz18 did way back after he ran out of good info (plus, Verge 'knowing' Minecraft all the way back in June makes less and less sense the longer we go without any kind of info). The only original claim Hitagi has ever made was Katalina, and that only proved they had inside information with another game, not Smash. I'm willing to give xenother the benefit of the doubt in regards to 'it may or may not be the 22nd' and won't turn on him if nothing happens, but at the same time have no stock in it, it's an (almost purposedly) ambiguous statement.

We don't have nearly enough concrete information to actually say we know for certain who the Square Enix character is. Hell, if the VGA blowout taught us ANYTHING, there may not even BE one. I got grinched hard enough to know that the only thing that should be believed is irrefutable, overwhelming evidence of in-game content.

The existence of this topic is great, this is a topic that should be debated, but how so many can act like the future is already set in stone in regards to who the SE character is (or if there even is one at this point) when the VGAs proved everyone knew a lot less than they let on is beyond me.

What?? No insiders were saying Geno and Sephiroth were the furthest in the running, at least not anybody noteworthy. Verge, Hitagi and Xenother have been pretty upfront about Erdrick being the most heard, with Crono and Sephi just behind. They've consistently had those views for over a month now.

 

[Flyboy]

I agree that leakers are crappy. They generate cult of personalities and, well, spoil what could have been so many pleasant surprises. I don't know why people sometimes encourage them, especially when they come to this site. I don't want stuff to leak. I want every reveal to be unexpected. I'd be pretty disappointed if K. Rool was leaked, honestly.

It's become a thing now where you try to get "in" with the insiders for, uh... internet social clout.

I'm with you. The worst part is how boring it makes what should be a fun game, speculating and dreaming about your faves. The Joker reveal was so huge for fans of his because he seemed impossible so we never got our hopes up but still had a good time in the thread dreaming of his moveset and costumes despite knowing it was impossible.

And, well, yknow, that happened. But we had to endure too much "he's not Nintendo and not Steve/Katalina/a Square rep!!!". It's as if you're shamed for daring to even consider anyone else for fun hypothetical reasons. We never for a second thought he'd get in. We just wanted to enjoy talking about a character we love getting into a game we love.

I've said it time and time again but for as much fun as I'm having being a full time part of the Smash fandom if I never hear the words "Edelgard" or "Sylux" or "Gen 8 Pokemon" or "shill pick" or "do Spirits deconfirm" again it'll be too soon.

 

[Nemuresu]

I've said it time and time again but for as much fun as I'm having being a full time part of the Smash fandom if I never hear the words "Edelgard" or "Sylux" or "Gen 8 Pokemon" or "shill pick" or "do Spirits deconfirm" again it'll be too soon.

That's the main reason why I hope for not a single Nintendo character to be in the Pass. People seriously thought that only promotional characters could join the game, when it's clear that Smash isn't meant to be an advertisement for Nintendo's new games, or anyone's for the matter being, which is just a ludicrous and I dare say, quite selfish ideal. I don't care how much many here say that Erdrick is a "shill character", he comes from a historically powerful franchise that never touched Smash prior to this, and that's what should matter here, but no, apparently, if someone is in Smash, it's because you want people to buy the game they come from, not to bring possible new fans to try yours.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm with you. The worst part is how boring it makes what should be a fun game, speculating and dreaming about your faves. The Joker reveal was so huge for fans of his because he seemed impossible so we never got our hopes up but still had a good time in the thread dreaming of his moveset and costumes despite knowing it was impossible.

And, well, yknow, that happened. But we had to endure too much "he's not Nintendo and not Steve/Katalina/a Square rep!!!". It's as if you're shamed for daring to even consider anyone else for fun hypothetical reasons. We never for a second thought he'd get in. We just wanted to enjoy talking about a character we love getting into a game we love.

I've said it time and time again but for as much fun as I'm having being a full time part of the Smash fandom if I never hear the words "Edelgard" or "Sylux" or "Gen 8 Pokemon" or "shill pick" or "do Spirits deconfirm" again it'll be too soon.

So what’s the name of that Hunter who Tanabe said was gonna have an important role in the future? Seelox?

 

[RandomAce]

What?? No insiders were saying Geno and Sephiroth were the furthest in the running, at least not anybody noteworthy. Verge, Hitagi and Xenother have been pretty upfront about Erdrick being the most heard, with Crono and Sephi just behind. They've consistently had those views for over a month now.

It was just conclusions that people made based on the insider info that was shared into the public at the time. Erdrick didn’t really become a bigger name here in discussion until recently.

Btw, is the whole situation with a character being immediately disregarded and there being three characters that Nintendo brought up still up in the air? Or has it been debunked?

 

[Icewolff92]

apparently, if someone is in Smash, it's because you want people to buy the game they come from, not to bring possible new fans to try yours.

Since when did not bring possible new fans to a series not = try and buy a game? Your statement contradicts itself.

 

[PolarPanda]

It was just conclusions that people made based on the insider info that was shared into the public at the time. Erdrick didn’t really become a bigger name here in discussion until recently.

Btw, is the whole situation with a character being immediately disregarded and there being three characters that Nintendo brought up still up in the air? Or has it been debunked?

I would know because I was the one who made Verge's list public and was the one who heard "Sephi and Geno are the finalists" originally. It was just some BS spread by a guy on discord, not any credible leaker. That's why it was being discussed so heavily. I put emphasis on it being incredibly unlikely considering the 'source' who said it came out of nowhere and only gave a LinkedIn as proof. I can account that Xenother, Hitagi, and Verge have been consistent about hearing DQ the most ever since I started talking to them, especially Xenother. They have not wavered. xenother can attest.

The 'characters Nintendo discarded' came from the same guy as the 'Geno and Sephiroth are finalists' came from. I personally put 0% faith in him. After the Grinch leak, we've seen how little LinkedIn profiles mean for leaks. And the guy started making ridiculous claims, like Elma as DLC out of nowhere because he 'knew Xenoblade VAs'. Also claimed to have known Joker but didn't say anything. Pfftt

 

[TheCJBrine]

What if it's not Erdick who summons Slime, but it's Slime who summons different DQ heroes?

 

[Deleted member]

What if it's not Erdick who summons Slime, but it's Slime who summons different DQ heroes?

A metal slime who brings in all the different heroes to try and kill them but just flees. Pay me, Nintendo!

 

[SSGuy]

I always expected a DQ rep, but it would be funny if square was just taking these leakers for a ride with the rep being from DQ. If the claim that square is a paranoid company that spreads leak bait habitually is actually true, then I hardly think DQ is lock at this point.

That is kind of the thing I have been skeptical about. What narrative do we follow at this point? How does the same company that no one had any clue about their involvement in Smash Bros go from dropping the biggest name of all time to having 7 names revealed from internal sources around the company?

From what it seems like, Erdrick is the hot ticket for insider information. But as Sabi did mention, he did hear water cooler talk regarding Geno within Nintendo of America. While this isn't concrete or have as much evidence like Erdrick, it is at least worth placing him in the number two spot in the running with Erdrick still leading as the most likely SE character.

It's all so confusing. Why is this company such a mystery? lol

 

[Icewolff92]

I would know because I was the one who made Verge's list public and was the one who heard "Sephi and Geno are the finalists" originally. It was just some BS spread by a guy on discord, not any credible leaker. That's why it was being discussed so heavily. I put emphasis on it being incredibly unlikely considering the 'source' who said it came out of nowhere and only gave a LinkedIn as proof. I can account that Xenother, Hitagi, and Verge have been consistent about hearing DQ the most ever since I started talking to them, especially Xenother. They have not wavered. xenother can attest.

The 'characters Nintendo discarded' came from the same guy as the 'Geno and Sephiroth are finalists' came from. I personally put 0% faith in him. After the Grinch leak, we've seen how little LinkedIn profiles mean for leaks. And the guy started making ridiculous claims, like Elma as DLC out of nowhere because he 'knew Xenoblade VAs'. Also claimed to have known Joker but didn't say anything. Pfftt

Are you talking about the same person that claims that Zack Fair is going to be in because of Fire Emblem heroes voice actors?

 

[Nemuresu]

Since when did not bring possible new fans to a series not = try and buy a game? Your statement contradicts itself.

There's a difference between "expanding the tastes of your current userbase" and "expanding your userbase itself". If Nintendo followed the former, then Cloud and Joker would've never been included in Smash.

 

[Flyboy]

So what’s the name of that Hunter who Tanabe said was gonna have an important role in the future? Seelox?

Smash fans discussibg reasons why a character that died in Metroid Prime Hunters should be in Smash:

 

[PolarPanda]

Are you talking about the same person that claims that Zack Fair is going to be an echo because of Fire Emblem heroes voice actors?

No lol. Isn't that somebody on GameFAQs?

Smash fans discussibg reasons why a character that died in Metroid Prime Hunters should be in Smash:

I would think him dying in MPH is irrelevant considering he's a starring role in the next Metroid Prime game, both being a surprise reveal at the end of Federation Force's secret ending, and him tailing Samus at the end of Prime 3, with the directors saying he will be 'very important' in the next game(s).

 

[Deleted member]

Smash fans discussibg reasons why a character that died in Metroid Prime Hunters should be in Smash:
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I know you’re joking, buuuuut
Sylux appears in the endings of Prime 3 and Federation Force, both of which take place after hunters, meaning he’s definitely still alive.

 

[Flyboy]

I know you’re joking, buuuuut
Sylux appears in the endings of Prime 3 and Federation Force, both of which take place after hunters, meaning he’s definitely still alive.

I knoooow and even if I hadn't the smash fandom sure would have let me know please let me have this one I spent like twenty minutes googling for that image

 

[Deleted member]

I knoooow and even if I hadn't the smash fandom sure would have let me know please let me have this one I spent like twenty minutes googling for that image

You can’t escape. The smash fandom will track you down to the ends of the earth.

 

[Flyboy]

You can’t escape. The smash fandom will track you down to the ends of the earth.

You exaggerate one thing as a joke and the entire Smash fandom descends upon you like a swarm of harpies who can only say "BUT THE INTERVIEWS"

 

[Deleted member]

You exaggerate one thing as a joke and the entire Smash fandom descends upon you like a swarm of harpies who can only say "BUT THE INTERVIEWS"

As I’ve said before, no fun allowed here bub. The internet is serious business.

 

[Icewolff92]

There's a difference between "expanding the tastes of your current userbase" and "expanding your userbase itself". If Nintendo followed the former, then Cloud and Joker would've never been included in Smash.

True, but even with that in mind. How would Edrick be anything different then Corrin who everyone agrees upon being a promotional material for Fates, considering Fates had only been out in Japan, how is Edrick nothing but a shillpick considering Dragon Quest is basically a "who" series for 95% of the Smash fanbase while also being something that Square wants to push more than ever here in the west? Call me a cynic, but that's pretty much how it feels all things considered. If Dragon Quest was more well known WW I would more then likely not have the same viewpoint. Especially when they have someone more highly demanded as Sora that is extremely wanted worldwide.

 

[Untouch]

I think if the rep isn't on the list, Eight (DQ8) makes the most sense to me.
It's the second highest rated DQ game in Japan and the highest in the West. Luminary has an Eight costume in DQ11, and you could do something interesting with the Monster battle mechanic.

 

[Icewolff92]

No lol. Isn't that somebody on GameFAQs?

I would think him dying in MPH is irrelevant considering he's a starring role in the next Metroid Prime game, both being a surprise reveal at the end of Federation Force's secret ending, and him tailing Samus at the end of Prime 3, with the directors saying he will be 'very important' in the next game(s).

Jupp.

 

[beans]

I have somewhat of a theory about the sources of leaks.

The only way somebody would know about the deals for characters would be if you work with the papers, is a higher up, or knows one of the two previous with a loose mouth. All of these possible sources sound really impossible, why would someone with such a good job in the company risk it by releasing confidential information?
The only possible way for information about characters or mechanics leaking are by people with direct acess to builds that are in an expendable position and are somewhat unhappy with their jobs.
So Playtesters.

As shown with Pirana, some of them can be quite "vengeful" in relation to their superiors, so leaking out of spite isnt an impossibility, if it is to assume they are somewhat similar between each other. I can see them not closing their mouth in relation to their job if their boss is a pain or they can afford to leave.
Echoes dont leak because of their similarities with the original fighters, so testing them is not really necessary.

This is a really big maybe now but what if:
Joker didnt leak, because it isnt being worked on yet. The only thing there is of him is Sakurai's own private work on him and the trailer.
The SE list we have now simply being a compilation of water cooler talk: DQs coming from Japan, since its popularity is major there, and the rest comes from America as just popular characters (Crono from a cult hit, Geno having popularity with core comunity, Sephiroth being from FF7, and Sora being Sora)

This is a really big IF because it would need:
-Sakurai to get only the essential crew for a trailer, as to announce the characters before having the work started as to not show it to too many people and risk a leak
-All the DLC rumors being crazy talk that came to the leakers trough a broken telephone game

 

[Untouch]

I have somewhat of a theory about the sources of leaks.

The only way somebody would know about the deals for characters would be if you work with the papers, is a higher up, or knows one of the two previous with a loose mouth. All of these possible sources sound really impossible, why would someone with such a good job in the company risk it by releasing confidential information?
The only possible way for information about characters or mechanics leaking are by people with direct acess to builds that are in an expendable position and are somewhat unhappy with their jobs.
So Playtesters.

As shown with Pirana, some of them can be quite "vengeful" in relation to their superiors, so leaking out of spite isnt an impossibility, if it is to assume they are somewhat similar between each other. I can see them not closing their mouth in relation to their job if their boss is a pain or they can afford to leave.
Echoes dont leak because of their similarities with the original fighters, so testing them is not really necessary.

This is a really big maybe now but what if:
Joker didnt leak, because it isnt being worked on yet. The only thing there is of him is Sakurai's own private work on him and the trailer.
The SE list we have now simply being a compilation of water cooler talk: DQs coming from Japan, since its popularity is major there, and the rest comes from America as just popular characters (Crono from a cult hit, Geno having popularity with core comunity, Sephiroth being from FF7, and Sora being Sora)

Leaks nearly always come from Playtesters and Translators. (Pokemon SM and IIRC LGPE were leaked by chinese translators).
Since DLC is probably going to be developed and tested inhouse, leaks will probably not happen.

 

[Icewolff92]

I have somewhat of a theory about the sources of leaks.

The only way somebody would know about the deals for characters would be if you work with the papers, is a higher up, or knows one of the two previous with a loose mouth. All of these possible sources sound really impossible, why would someone with such a good job in the company risk it by releasing confidential information?
The only possible way for information about characters or mechanics leaking are by people with direct acess to builds that are in an expendable position and are somewhat unhappy with their jobs.
So Playtesters.

As shown with Pirana, some of them can be quite "vengeful" in relation to their superiors, so leaking out of spite isnt an impossibility, if it is to assume they are somewhat similar between each other. I can see them not closing their mouth in relation to their job if their boss is a pain or they can afford to leave.
Echoes dont leak because of their similarities with the original fighters, so testing them is not really necessary.

This is a really big maybe now but what if:
Joker didnt leak, because it isnt being worked on yet. The only thing there is of him is Sakurai's own private work on him and the trailer.
The SE list we have now simply being a compilation of water cooler talk: DQs coming from Japan, since its popularity is major there, and the rest comes from America as just popular characters (Crono from a cult hit, Geno having popularity with core comunity, Sephiroth being from FF7, and Sora being Sora)

That theory would only work if the square rep or Steve was shown first

 

[StormC]

Ken also leaked despite being an echo.