[SPOILER ALERT] - The Sevens Squares. - A Square-Enix general support threads.

[Nemuresu]

The problem is, Joker has just started development, and a verified leak said Piranha Plant was the only DLC character in the build he played back around the time the people pushing for Steve said they heard he was tested.

If Steve is in, it'll be very weird, and the circumstances surrounding his leak will be really strange (if the leak was real and not just a coincidence anyways).

I don't think Vergeben ever said Steve was being tested at the time. In fact, judging by some comments, it seems that his sources look at trailers (Isaac being an AT) or scripts (Richter lines). Also, we don't know if Joker just started development, for all we can bet, he's probably been worked on for a while now, after all, he is going to be the first DLC pack, so they can't take too long to release him (betting he'll come somewhere around February and April).

 

[PolarPanda]

That's why I'm still not believing this new leak at all.
Granblue Versus has been rumored for a bit prior to this new leak popping up, so that adds nothing in terms of credibility for me.
The only way I'll take it seriously is if the info on Joker's stage being Mementos comes true.

Two things.

1. Granblue Versus is almost 100% coming to Switch (THIS IS NOT A LEAK, PLEASE NOBODY TWIST MY WORDS AGAIN. I AM NOT LEAKING HERE). If only because of how Arcsys is, and considering Nintendo owns a lot of Cygame's shares. Think of Blablue cross, etc. Sometimes it just takes a while, i.e. DBZ Fighters.

2. This leak just prompted Xenother, Hitagi, and (partially) Verge to come forward about hearing Erdrick the most. It isn't necessarily what made everybody sure of him, but it encouraged Xenother (and, additionally Hitagi and Verge) to come forward about Erdrick as well on GameFAQs. It is certainly not what made them say Erdrick, they were already quite sure it was Erdrick to begin with.

 

[Ezclapper]

I don’t know why you all are so worried about Erdrick, just relax and wait for the next character announcement ffs. I doubt anyone knows about dlc especially after joker (no offense to the leakers).

The fact of the matter is the DLC needs to sell, they aren’t going to target specific audiences, they are going for GENERAL appeal. Regardless of what people say about DQs popularity, it doesn’t have that general appeal at all, especially in the west.

Another thing to add is that Reggie on multiple occasions said these will be characters that “can’t be anticipated” during the game awards. People are just saying it’s PR talk but people thought that the “special announcement” was just going to be Metroid at TGA. Guess what? Dragon quest is legit the SAFEST guess for who the possible SE rep could be for DLC (if we are even getting one lol), especially since DQXI is on the switch. I guess we will just have to see, but trust me when I say this. Erdrick doesn’t add up at all, I’m kinda doubting it.

 

[Deleted member]

waitaminute.

If Hitagi has personally heard Erdick, and it comes true...and Hitagi knew about the new Granblue game...then, since Hitagi is still adamant about Steve...

...( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

BEGONE WITH YE FOUL DEMON!
Ok, jokes aside I think he would be alright... I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

I don’t know why you all are so worried about Erdrick, just relax and wait for the next character announcement ffs. I doubt anyone knows about dlc especially after joker (no offense to the leakers).

The fact of the matter is the DLC needs to sell, they aren’t going to target specific audiences, they are going for GENERAL appeal. Regardless of what people say about DQs popularity, it doesn’t have that general appeal at all, especially in the west.

Another thing to add is that Reggie on multiple occasions said these will be characters that can’t be anticipated during the game awards. People are just saying it’s PR talk but people thought that the “special announcement” was just going to be Metroid at TGA. Guess what? Dragon quest is legit the SAFEST guess for who the possible SE rep could be for DLC (if we are even getting one lol), especially since DQXI is on the switch. I guess we will just have to see, but trust me when I say this. Erdrick doesn’t add up at all, I’m kinda doubting it.

It's only the safest guess at this point because of leaks, honestly.

 

[EarlTamm]

I don't think Vergeben ever said Steve was being tested at the time. In fact, judging by some comments, it seems that his sources look at trailers (Isaac being an AT) or scripts (Richter lines). Also, we don't know if Joker just started development, for all we can bet, he's probably been worked on for a while now, after all, he is going to be the first DLC pack, so they can't take too long to release him (betting he'll come somewhere around February and April).

Didn't they say they would not start DLC development untill after the game's release?

 

[StormC]

I don't think Vergeben ever said Steve was being tested at the time. In fact, judging by some comments, it seems that his sources look at trailers (Isaac being an AT) or scripts (Richter lines). Also, we don't know if Joker just started development, for all we can bet, he's probably been worked on for a while now, after all, he is going to be the first DLC pack, so they can't take too long to release him (betting he'll come somewhere around February and April).

The first DLC character is going to be Piranha Plant, likely in February. Doubt we see Joker get released before June.

 

[Deleted member]

The first DLC character is going to be Piranha Plant, likely in February. Doubt we see Joker get released before June.

That seems like a bit of a slow pace. Isnt it all supposed to be out by Feb 2020?

 

[Nemuresu]

Didn't they say they would not start DLC development untill after the game's release?

It can easily be just a PR comment so people don't think they're holding back any content behind a paywall. If they want everyone done by February 2020, then they can't release characters so late, more so when they probably want fans to keep an eye on their announcements.

The first DLC character is going to be Piranha Plant, likely in February. Doubt we see Joker get released before June.

Nah, I bet he's probably going to be released somewhere around April.

 

[REZERO]

I think to keep the player base up they will release characters at a slower pace. The player population is probably growing right now so there is no reason really to release characters so quickly.

 

[childishgamgeno]

Um, that was my point. I was not in any way claiming Falcon was like Mario.

Anyway, you're looking at the spells superficially. Zap falls down from the sky and lands in front of him, unlike Robin's Elthunder.

I would replace Frizz for Sizzle, which would probably act like a wave of fire rolling across the stage.

It's not the element of the spell itself that matters, but how it functions.

There really are a lot of different ways someone could go about creating a moveset for Erdrick, as he leaves quite a bit of room to get creative.

Sounds JUST like a Robin clone if you ask me!

But it...kinda does lmao.

I’m not saying it’s gonna be a 1:1 replication of Robin. More so that Robin is our current sword user with magic character, and Erdrick (in this play style) would boil down to sword user with magic. Plain and simple. Correct me if I’m wrong, lol that’s what Erdrick is essentially. He has armor, uses a variety of weapons and magic. There’s ways you could take this, with Erdrick being less of a zoner and more aggression based, especially if we implement all of his equipment, but yeah, he wouldn’t really bring anything new and unheard of. Not that it’s horrible, it’s just not the strongest choice, moveset wise, in my opinion.

Seeing all these "Erdrick isn't unique, they'd just do what Robin already does!" really makes me wonder what ya'll think of Sora and Crono.

I can tell you couldn't tell what a joke is

Sora would be a much more unique pick, as I’ve said several times. You can take away Sora’s magic and still have plenty at your disposal. Even down to his clothes and weapons. He’s honestly arguably the most unique in this list.

Not sure about Crono tho. Isn’t his element light ? I’m sure that could be interesting.

Smashboards: "We'd be okay with any Square Enix character."
>Erdrick suddenly becomes the most likely character

Also Smashboards: "NO ONE LIKES DRAGON QUEST AND IF ERDRICK GETS IN I HOPE SQUARE ENIX FAILS BECAUSE OF THEIR CORPORATE GREED."

I'm laughing at the idea that Erdrick would be a Robin clone and that's a point against him. Just because people here aren't imaginative enough to come up with a moveset for Erdrick doesn't mean that one can't exist. Surely you're forgetting that this is the team that made a moveset for a Plant, a Dog who only laughs at you in the source material, a character who only shows up outside of a car in an anime that released after his appearance in Smash Bros., and more.

Role-Playing Weapons Specialist

There's one of many three word summaries for Erdrick. I'm not Sakurai nor a member of his team, but it took me less than a minute to come up with this. I'm sure that given months of prep time Sakurai and his team can find something.

They derived Third-Party Cover Fire from Duck Hunt Dog; They can derive something unique and original from Erdrick, despite what you may personally believe.

Erdrick as a Robin clone isn’t a huge point against him from a development standpoint. It’s just what makes him less original than some of the options on this list. We all have to resort to “the team can do it when they try really hard and get super creative”

To be fair, there was no Plant fighter or Dog fighter before PPlant or Duck Hunt Dog. So technically those by definition would automatically be considered more unique and interesting than “Role Playing Weapons Specialist”. Heck, that can describe Link. Link uses like 4 weapons. I’m not saying they CANT do it. I’m not even sure any of us are arguing they can’t, we know they CAN, but it would be likely a mix of things we’ve already seen with some added spice. Which is fine, but not nearly as interesting to me or unique as some other choices here.

Here's a better example then:
Cloud could've easily been another "magic swordfighter" similar to Robin. He has a sword, and he uses magic in his source material. Therefore, he HAS to play similar to Robin, right?

Wrong. He's a unique character completely different from Robin, as will Erdrick if he gets in.

There are valid points against Dragon Quest but a lack of moveset potential isn't one of them. At this point people are grasping at straws to exclude Dragon Quest and that isn't a valid argument.

Yeah but Cloud has a huge sword. That’s alredy a unique trait and already sets him apart from Robin and everyone else, tbh. Plus, as Fatmanonice said, implementing the Limit Break function and actual iconic moves from his games.

waitaminute.

If Hitagi has personally heard Erdick, and it comes true...and Hitagi knew about the new Granblue game...then, since Hitagi is still adamant about Steve...

...( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Add in the fact that the leaker who made the 5chan leak said we were getting Steve as well, and Rayman and Heihachi

 

[StormC]

It can easily be just a PR comment so people don't think they're holding back any content behind a paywall. If they want everyone done by February 2020, then they can't release characters so late, more so when they probably want fans to keep an eye on their announcements.

Nah, I bet he's probably going to be released somewhere around April.

That seems like a bit of a slow pace. Isnt it all supposed to be out by Feb 2020?

Not really a slow pace. Let's look at Smash 4:

Mewtwo: April
Roy/Ryu/Lucas: June
Cloud: December
Corrin/Bayonetta: February

We could see something like:

Piranha Plant: February
Joker/Fighter 2/Fighter 3: June
Fighter 4: November
Fighter 5: February

 

[EarlTamm]

It can easily be just a PR comment so people don't think they're holding back any content behind a paywall. If they want everyone done by February 2020, then they can't release characters so late, more so when they probably want fans to keep an eye on their announcements.

Nah, I bet he's probably going to be released somewhere around April.

I mean, I kind of doubt it's a PR statement, especially when it's coming from Sakurai. We know how hard he works on base game, he is not going to spend any of that time working on something that is supposed to be post release. Heck, I feel PP is evidence of that, as it was supposed to be base game and could not make it, right?

 

[REZERO]

But it...kinda does lmao.

I’m not saying it’s gonna be a 1:1 replication of Robin. More so that Robin is our current sword user with magic character, and Erdrick (in this play style) would boil down to sword user with magic. Plain and simple. Correct me if I’m wrong, lol that’s what Erdrick is essentially. He has armor, uses a variety of weapons and magic. There’s ways you could take this, with Erdrick being less of a zoner and more aggression based, especially if we implement all of his equipment, but yeah, he wouldn’t really bring anything new and unheard of. Not that it’s horrible, it’s just not the strongest choice, moveset wise, in my opinion.

Given that Fire Emblem followed through with strict abilities like luna/sol & ether and the fact that Erdrick is not from FE probably means he's going to have a different moveset than robin. God forbid Nintendo giving him a different moveset because he has to be like Robin, right?

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

The Limit System is not estoteric and you could pretty much understand it by looking at a single screenshot. It's literally a meter. Plus, the magic is not the standard RPG elementals like Earth, wind, fire, water, and air so it's already inherently different from Robin's magic.

So you're just going to ignore my earlier point? I'll quote it:

Role-Playing Weapons Specialist

There's one of many three word summaries for Erdrick. I'm not Sakurai nor a member of his team, but it took me less than a minute to come up with this. I'm sure that given months of prep time Sakurai and his team can find something.

They derived Third-Party Cover Fire from Duck Hunt Dog; They can derive something unique and original from Erdrick, despite what you may personally believe.

You and others here may not be able to come up with an "original" moveset for Erdrick, but that doesn't mean Sakurai and co. can't as well. Have some faith in them. Again, there are valid points against Dragon Quest, but a lack of moveset potential isn't one of them. It's grasping at straws at best, and plain ignorance at worst.

Dude, the answer is obvious.

It will STING with the fact that Geno, Sora, or the other characters (though mostly Geno and Sora since they have the most support) could’ve potentially been considered for the first time and were heard, only for them to not get in and be used as bait.

I mean the fact that Geno is potentially a red herring hurts super hard when you realize that SE knows at this point that Geno is popular.

That’s where most of the pessimism comes from. And it sucks that this list was leaked since it got the hopes of those fan bases only for what is potentially the least wanted character of the bunch get in, especially those who have been supporting for their inclusion for a long time.

And there it is. The underlying reason for all of the vitriol today.

I've said many times that it's okay to be disappointed. Disappointment is a part of the human experience, and if you're never disappointed then I'd be worried for you.

That being said, going through this thread you would think that Square Enix and Dragon Quest kicked babies and burned down entire city blocks with the reactions here.

At the end of the day it's only a game. I don't see the need to despair and bash on Dragon Quest just because it was the one to get in. We don't even know if the other 6 were considered or whether they were thrown in as leakbait either. There's so much we don't know and people are escalating to the worst possible scenario already.

I’m not saying it’s gonna be a 1:1 replication of Robin. More so that Robin is our current sword user with magic character, and Erdrick (in this play style) would boil down to sword user with magic. Plain and simple. Correct me if I’m wrong, lol that’s what Erdrick is essentially. He has armor, uses a variety of weapons and magic. There’s ways you could take this, with Erdrick being less of a zoner and more aggression based, especially if we implement all of his equipment, but yeah, he wouldn’t really bring anything new and unheard of. Not that it’s horrible, it’s just not the strongest choice, moveset wise, in my opinion.

Erdrick as a Robin clone isn’t a huge point against him from a development standpoint. It’s just what makes him less original than some of the options on this list. We all have to resort to “the team can do it when they try really hard and get super creative”

To be fair, there was no Plant fighter or Dog fighter before PPlant or Duck Hunt Dog. So technically those by definition would automatically be considered more unique and interesting than “Role Playing Weapons Specialist”. Heck, that can describe Link. Link uses like 4 weapons. I’m not saying they CANT do it. I’m not even sure any of us are arguing they can’t, we know they CAN, but it would be likely a mix of things we’ve already seen with some added spice. Which is fine, but not nearly as interesting to me or unique as some other choices here.


Yeah but Cloud has a huge sword. That’s alredy a unique trait and already sets him apart from Robin and everyone else, tbh. Plus, as Fatmanonice said, implementing the Limit Break function and actual iconic moves from his games.



Add in the fact that the leaker who made the 5chan leak said we were getting Steve as well, and Rayman and Heihachi

The 5chan leak is unrelated to that leak. Most notably, that one was on 4chan. 4chan=/=5chan

Also, while you may not, people are certainly using "Robin clone" as a point against Erdrick's inclusion when it simply isn't. There's plenty of material to make him unique, and Sakurai and his team can certainly bring that out. It just seems to me that people are desperate for reasons to exclude Erdrick and Dragon Quest and are jumping on moveset potential for that when, again, we don't know how unique Erdrick could be.

 

[Nemuresu]

Not really a slow pace. Let's look at Smash 4:

Mewtwo: April
Roy/Ryu/Lucas: June
Cloud: December
Corrin/Bayonetta: February

We could see something like:

Piranha Plant: February
Joker/Fighter 2/Fighter 3: June
Fighter 4: November
Fighter 5: February

In all fairness, Smash 4 didn't have a planned beginning and end with their DLC. This Pass is meant to be done by early 2020. While Nintendo's announcements and Directs have been rather "erratic", I honestly want to think that they're not going to be so slow and compressed with these characters, more so if they want people to consider them as a must-buy.

I mean, I kind of doubt it's a PR statement, especially when it's coming from Sakurai. We know how hard he works on base game, he is not going to spend any of that time working on something that is supposed to be post release. Heck, I feel PP is evidence of that, as it was supposed to be base game and could not make it, right?

Some things just aren't going to be spilled out. I mean, do you think Ryu was only worked on for two months after Mewtwo got released? If unique characters really take a year to be worked on as Sakurai says (which I honestly doubt considering his comments on Incineroar), then I don't see how is it far fetched to have commenced development on DLC early. Hell, dataminers found out that Bayonetta and Cloud started work weeks after the Ballot commenced, so there's that too.

 

[StormC]

In all fairness, Smash 4 didn't have a planned beginning and end with their DLC. This Pass is meant to be done by early 2020. While Nintendo's announcements and Directs have been rather "erratic", I honestly want to think that they're not going to be so slow and compressed with these characters, more so if they want people to consider them as a must-buy.

The schedule I just laid out is perfectly reasonable. There's no reason it couldn't be met by February 2020. You're overthinking it more than Nintendo is.

 

[Deleted member]

So you're just going to ignore my earlier point? I'll quote it:

You and others here may not be able to come up with an "original" moveset for Erdrick, but that doesn't mean Sakurai and co. can't as well. Have some faith in them. Again, there are valid points against Dragon Quest, but a lack of moveset potential isn't one of them. It's grasping at straws at best, and plain ignorance at worst.

And there it is. The underlying reason for all of the vitriol today.

I've said many times that it's okay to be disappointed. Disappointment is a part of the human experience, and if you're never disappointed then I'd be worried for you.

That being said, going through this thread you would think that Square Enix and Dragon Quest kicked babies and burned down entire city blocks with the reactions here.

At the end of the day it's only a game. I don't see the need to despair and bash on Dragon Quest just because it was the one to get in. We don't even know if the other 6 were considered or whether they were thrown in as leakbait either. There's so much we don't know and people are escalating to the worst possible scenario already.

The 5chan leak is unrelated to that leak. Most notably, that one was on 4chan. 4chan=/=5chan

Also, while you may not, people are certainly using "Robin clone" as a point against Erdrick's inclusion when it simply isn't. There's plenty of material to make him unique, and Sakurai and his team can certainly bring that out. It just seems to me that people are desperate for reasons to exclude Erdrick and Dragon Quest and are jumping on moveset potential for that when, again, we don't know how unique Erdrick could be.

I feel like people are just grasping at straws at this point to make points against Erdrick ("Robin clone" being one of them despite being disproved again again), which I find ironic because there are valid points you could make against him yet barely anyone seems to bring those up.

 

[Ovaltine]

All I'm going to say about this whole fiasco is this:

Frankly, yes, I will be personally disappointed if Erdrick gets in for my own reasons — and, yes, wanting Geno does admittedly add some bias there — but I respect the series and those who love it. If he gets in, congrats to the fans, my dudes.

That being said... I think both sides, pro- or anti-DQ alike, are all presenting their own shows of poor attitude in regards to the whole thing. I think the good bulk of y'all should maybe step back, relax, and take it easy with the bickering. As someone who wants to see speculation without a load of drama from both sides of it, it's one heck of a headache to see. Chill... out. Breathe.

 

[PsySmasher]

Two things.

1. Granblue Versus is almost 100% coming to Switch (THIS IS NOT A LEAK, PLEASE NOBODY TWIST MY WORDS AGAIN. I AM NOT LEAKING HERE). If only because of how Arcsys is, and considering Nintendo owns a lot of Cygame's shares. Think of Blablue cross, etc. Sometimes it just takes a while, i.e. DBZ Fighters.

2. This leak just prompted Xenother, Hitagi, and (partially) Verge to come forward about hearing Erdrick the most. It isn't necessarily what made everybody sure of him, but it encouraged Xenother (and, additionally Hitagi and Verge) to come forward about Erdrick as well on GameFAQs. It is certainly not what made them say Erdrick, they were already quite sure it was Erdrick to begin with.

1. I don't doubt the possibility of a Granblue Versus Switch port. With Dragon Ball Fighterz and Blazblue Cross Tag Battle both getting released on Switch, it's definitely likely that this'll be the case for Granblue.

However, it's not confirmed at this time, so I'm not counting this point in favor of the leak until it comes true. Just because something is incredibly likely, doesn't mean it's gonna happen (the Smash community should know this by now).

2. My main thing against the leak right now is that it hasn't proven anything new that hasn't already been speculated/rumored. For all I know, the leak could've just piggybacked off rumored info and added something new to make it stand out/seem legitimate. That's why I'm very focused on the Mementos portion of the leak.

Someone could just guess that stage and get it right out of sheer coincidence, but I'll give the leak the benefit of the doubt in this case.

I'm not really looking into the Erdrick portion of the leak until we get more info on what content Joker comes with. If the stage doesn't match up, that's a huge point against this leak.

So in my opinion, it's just a matter of waiting until the content gets officially released, since no other major leakers, to my knowledge, know anything related to Joker.

 

[Deleted member]

All I'm going to say about this whole fiasco is this:

Frankly, yes, I will be personally disappointed if Erdrick gets in for my own reasons — and, yes, wanting Geno does admittedly add some bias there — but I respect the series and those who love it. If he gets in, congrats to the fans, my dudes.

That being said... I think both sides, pro- or anti-DQ alike, are all presenting their own shows of poor attitude in regards to the whole thing. I think the good bulk of y'all should maybe step back, relax, and take it easy with the bickering. As someone who wants to see speculation without a load of drama from both sides of it, it's one heck of a headache to see. Chill... out. Breathe.

There really shouldn't be so much vitriol in speculation over a video game. I admit that I have contributed to some degree of it, which i do regret, but you're absolutely right.

 

[EarlTamm]

There really shouldn't be so much vitriol in speculation over a video game. I admit that I have contributed to some degree of it, which i do regret, but you're absolutely right.

I agree that things should calm down, but it's intensity makes sense, even if it is a game. This is sadly the natural escalation of things.

 

[childishgamgeno]

I just think it’s emotional for a lot of us. List any reason why any big supporter of this 7 wants their character and people are gonna throw their emotions in there with it. Crono fans are gonna feel straight up ignored. Sephy fans are gonna feel ignored. Sora fans are gonna feel like Sora was a better pick. Geno fans are gonna feel shafted for the millionth time even after being recognized last game etc etc

 

[GoodGrief741]

The Limit System is not estoteric and you could pretty much understand it by looking at a single screenshot. It's literally a meter. Plus, the magic is not the standard RPG elementals like Earth, wind, fire, water, and air so it's already inherently different from Robin's magic.

Add in:

"Erdrick's not a shill."

*Later*

"Fans shouldn't assume everyone who got in as DLC was due to fan demand."

This thread, man...

Sure, because you’re either a shill or got indie to fan demand, right?

Oh wait... no. We have ****ing Piranha Plant as playable. 75% of the newcomers in Ultimate didn’t get in because of shill (that was solely Incineroar) nor fan demand (K. Rool and Ridley). The main factor for some newcomers was that they were either obvious Nintendo stars that just had to be there (Inkling, Isabelle) or because they were ‘hype’ (Simon, Joker). Why do you gotta be so reductive?

 

[Deleted member]

I just think it’s emotional for a lot of us. List any reason why any big supporter of this 7 wants their character and people are gonna throw their emotions in there with it. Crono fans are gonna feel straight up ignored. Sephy fans are gonna feel ignored. Sora fans are gonna feel like Sora was a better pick. Geno fans are gonna feel shafted for the millionth time even after being recognized last game etc etc

Regardless of who it is, everyone will have to deal with it in their own ways. Like I said before, I know that stinging feeling. But nothing is a guarantee in all of this.

 

[childishgamgeno]

Sure, because you’re either a shill or got indie to fan demand, right?

Oh wait... no. We have ****ing Piranha Plant as playable. 75% of the newcomers in Ultimate didn’t get in because of shill (that was solely Incineroar) nor fan demand (K. Rool and Ridley). The main factor for some newcomers was that they were either obvious Nintendo stars that just had to be there (Inkling, Isabelle) or because they were ‘hype’ (Simon, Joker). Why do you gotta be so reductive?

Piranha Plant is free tho. So can’t be shill. Inkling and Isabelle both definitely had solid fanbases tho. Inkling more so. And none of these characters are added, paid dlc extras btw. Simon is historical tho, being from Castlevania, in a very similar vein to Erdrick. But Simon was base game. This would kind of imply that, yeah, Erdrick is pretty shill. Especially considering considerably less fan demanded than Sora or Geno, at the end of the day it’s promoting DQ, and including a legendary franchise, but if they were super concerned with the legendary franchise inclusion Erdrick would logically be base, and if the argument against that is “SQUARE WANTS MONEY” then that would place Erdrick in shill territory. It’s business

 

[Minik]

I wonder how people took Ryu being added in 4 as DLC, since wasn't requested much, would've probably been called too basic fighting wise and is from the company infamous with DLC, especially street fighter wise.

 

[ZelDan]

Piranha Plant is free tho. So can’t be shill. Inkling and Isabelle both definitely had solid fanbases tho. Inkling more so. And none of these characters are added, paid dlc extras btw. Simon is historical tho, being from Castlevania, in a very similar vein to Erdrick. But Simon was base game. This would kind of imply that, yeah, Erdrick is pretty shill. Especially considering considerably less fan demanded than Sora or Geno, at the end of the day it’s promoting DQ, and including a legendary franchise, but if they were super concerned with the legendary franchise inclusion Erdrick would logically be base, and if the argument against that is “SQUARE WANTS MONEY” then that would place Erdrick in shill territory. It’s business

Wouldn't any SE character be "shill" territory if "SE wanting money" is a factor? It's not like any other SE has made it into the base roster of a Smash game (unless you count Cloud in Ultimate, though he was initially DLC for Smash 4 so even Cloud of all characters started out as a "shill" inclusion)

 

[childishgamgeno]

I wonder how people took Ryu being added in 4 as DLC, since wasn't requested much, would've probably been called too basic fighting wise and is from the company infamous with DLC, especially street fighter wise.

Doubtful. It’s RYU. He’s in like every fighting game ever. That alone is a case against how he would be basic fighting wise.This was also before Capcom’s weird SFV DLC ways.


Speaking of which, I think looking at gameplay of Dragon Quest Heroes can bring some insight on potential move set potential. Again, Nothing too new, but some of those weapons could spice things up

Wouldn't any SE character be "shill" territory if "SE wanting money" is a factor? It's not like any other SE has made it into the base roster of a Smash game (unless you count Cloud in Ultimate, though he was initially DLC for Smash 4 so even Cloud of all characters started out as a "shill" inclusion)

Well technically yes, but at least Cloud had a very strong fan demanded presence. Every DLC honestly with the exception of Corrin (who was the epitome of shill pick) had pretty substantial fan demanded presence.

Dragon Quest doesn’t really fit that bill. DQ doesn’t even place very high on fan polls in JAPAN. And it’s legenardy out there.

 

[NoOtherPersona]

Sure, because you’re either a shill or got indie to fan demand, right?

Oh wait... no. We have ****ing Piranha Plant as playable. 75% of the newcomers in Ultimate didn’t get in because of shill (that was solely Incineroar) nor fan demand (K. Rool and Ridley). The main factor for some newcomers was that they were either obvious Nintendo stars that just had to be there (Inkling, Isabelle) or because they were ‘hype’ (Simon, Joker). Why do you gotta be so reductive?

Honestly I'd say leave him and this subject alone he's a brick wall that isn't gonna change his stance your wasting your time and effort trying to make him see anything

 

[NoOtherPersona]

Plus whatever he says that's just assumption if a DQ rep is ment to be then so be it and we will see what Sakurai can show us what he can make him do with his talent and skills then the limited thinking that comes from a smashboard the arguments with a man who doesn't even like the series is a waste of time lol or if arguments is the wrong word discussion or whatever just stop lol

 

[Icewolff92]

Well, I just realized one thing about Erdick; we'd be getting Gohan/Goku...sort-of.

Was watching some of a recent vid by Blocked Content, and he showed a side-by-side comparison between Erdick and young Gohan; their faces are literally the same, the hair at least still being black and spiked.

That's because Akira Toriyama seems to be unable to make more than a handful amount of designs. I mean Luminary from last Dragon Quest looks like a reused Android 17

 

[SSGuy]

As a compilation, so far:

-the Japanese Erdrick leak exists
-Xenother is all in on Erdrick
-Hitagi is all in on Erdrick
-Verge is leaning to Erdrick but doesn't want to go all in on him yet
-I'm leaning to Erdrick but not going 100% in until my source hears Erdrick personally.

Just an insider question. I guess this also applys to 'Vergeben hearing Incineroar' from months ago.

What is the difference between leaning but not going 100%. Like do you just keep hearing names floating around and speculate until being given full confirmation? Doesnt leaning on a character come off as nothing but speculating?

 

[Fatmanonice]

Honestly I'd say leave him and this subject alone he's a brick wall that isn't gonna change his stance your wasting your time and effort trying to make him see anything

I'm mostly hammering on this because of the mentality of "people will just get over it" like it's 100% necessary for Dragon Quest to even be in Smash. More people have admittedly come into this thread to play Devil's advocate for it than actively support it and even the people that do support it openly admit that there's significantly better choices from the series than Erdrick. That kind of makes my eyes go in two different directions. Imagine being like "yeah, Mario kinda sucks" or "Link makes sense to represent Zelda but..." Brass tacks, everyone just kind of admits he's boring unless you dig deep or make him a composite of all the Heroes and then it just begs the question, who is he even for if Dragon Quest fans themselves just look at him without these addendums and think "well, okay then." Plus, as others have said, none of this matters and its just a way to pass time until the 22nd. If it's a wall we all have to crash into, might as well stomp on the accelerator and "get it over with" like a colonoscopy like everyone keeps insisting.

 

[Dr. Jojo Phantasma]

Yes, I do admit that I rather have Eight if he isn't an alt for Erdrick, but I also would have preferred Azura over Corrin, Terra over Cloud, Decidueye or Mimikyu over Incineroar. But as we have discussed Erdrick is the Marth of the series so most likely it would be him for a DQ rep.

But yeah I definitely can't wait for us to finally know if Erdrick is in or not as we are just going to go around in circles until this limbo period ends.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Plus, there's the fact that 100% of the insiders that are on the Erdrick train outright say that the reasoning was 250% a business move to promote the upcoming Switch ports and, circling back to my very first post on the topic, the whole topic just reeks of cynicism, nevermind everything else chained to this like the musical turd Sugiyama. It's not a tough pill to swallow, it's a pineapple especially if it does wind up being true a year from now that this is what Square ultimately blew its load on for this game.

 

[Icewolff92]

Azura over Corrin

I think most Fire emblem fans would

 

[RetrogamerMax]

The first DLC character is going to be Piranha Plant, likely in February. Doubt we see Joker get released before June.

I'm expecting to see Joker get released either in April or May sometime around right before E3. He's the first out of the 5 DLC characters for the Season Pass, It would make sense for him to came out a couple of mouths after Piranha Plant and a couple of mouths before the next announced DLC character to keep up with the pace with the releases all the way to February of 2020.

That's because Akira Toriyama seems to be unable to make more than a handful amount of designs. I mean Luminary from last Dragon Quest looks like a reused Android 17

Lol! He sure does.

 

[EarlTamm]

You know, I get the sense that whatever Square character we get, there is going to be a ton of meme's about the choice. It's happened to a hilariously high degree with the first 2 DLC character(For Pete's sake, it's practically fanon now that Bayonetta is Joker's mom), it's probably going to be the same for the rest of the DLC.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I'm still on the train of thought that if Erdrick is indeed in, there will be a second Square Enix character later because Square will be half crazed to make some kind of meaningful profit with DLC. As repeated numerous times, Erdrick is a liscensing nightmare, chained downed by 5 IP holders when you put in Sugiyama's music, which he personally owns. Nintendo and Namco (possibly even HAL and SORA too) get cuts too since they actually developed the game meaning it's a 7 way pie at least and Sugiyama gets all royalties for music so theoretically 2 of every 6 dollars for the DLC pack. That means that Square itself is making 14 cents for every dollar spent on DLC for Erdrick so about 56 cents per transaction. Now, I'm no accountant, but that's rough, especially when you throw in Amiibo that probably won't sell outside Japan if even big icons like Ryu collect dust on store shelves so that's its own separate money pit.

I feel like this is why Square often just sells Dragon Quest merch themselves and flat out avoids virtual consoles aside from cell phone ports. If they develop the games, they don't really owe anyone else too much money outside their own circle but bring others in and the value of the brand quickly evaporates because of how many directions it's pulled in. This definitely explains why it's never been liscensed out to another game company on its 32 year history and adding it to Smash Bros "just because" is just kind of irresponsible if there aren't incentives behind like promotion of future games. It's a gambit with little initial payback and that probably makes Square want to pull its hair out.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't get why some of you guys can't just accept it's Erdrick. "Cynicism" or "hope" don't really matter for Smash speculation, our discussions are 100% meaningless at the end of the day, the goal here is to find the most logical outcome based on the info we have to properly set expectations. Arguing on how much you think Erdrick is a boring choice to you, in particular, won't change the fact he's the one that's likely coming.