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[SPOILER ALERT] - The Sevens Squares. - A Square-Enix general support threads.

Who do you think is the most likely possible Square-Enix Newcomer? (Two Choices possibles)


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TheCJBrine

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Is this because of the Joker/Granblue VS leak, or is there more to it?
I think the well-known leakers and maybe insiders agree with the leak.

Makes me disappointed in no Geno if it's true, but I'm also interested in Dragon Quest plus I feel the DLC is what it is anyway; I won't really care in the long run, even if I get disappointed in the lack of my favorite characters that are yet to be included.
 
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Is this because of the Joker/Granblue VS leak, or is there more to it?
I mean, that is what initiated it. The contention itself comes from things outside the leak, like move set potential, which is the current topic of discussion in the thread right now.
 

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Smashboards: "We'd be okay with any Square Enix character."
>Erdrick suddenly becomes the most likely character
Also Smashboards: "NO ONE LIKES DRAGON QUEST AND IF ERDRICK GETS IN I HOPE SQUARE ENIX FAILS BECAUSE OF THEIR CORPORATE GREED."

I'm laughing at the idea that Erdrick would be a Robin clone and that's a point against him. Just because people here aren't imaginative enough to come up with a moveset for Erdrick doesn't mean that one can't exist. Surely you're forgetting that this is the team that made a moveset for a Plant, a Dog who only laughs at you in the source material, a character who only shows up outside of a car in an anime that released after his appearance in Smash Bros., and more.
DLC shouldn't be like loot crates.

I'll also say that we've kind of hit peak irony with the topic of Erdrick's uniqueness when the argument for it has become "you'd understand how unique he'd be if you read these encyclopedia pages." That's a bit esoteric and, like Sakurai talked about at GDC 08, kind of flies in the face of his "three word philosophy."
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There's one of many three word summaries for Erdrick. I'm not Sakurai nor a member of his team, but it took me less than a minute to come up with this. I'm sure that given months of prep time Sakurai and his team can find something.

They derived Third-Party Cover Fire from Duck Hunt Dog; They can derive something unique and original from Erdrick, despite what you may personally believe.
 
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Smashboards: "We'd be okay with any Square Enix character."
>Erdrick suddenly becomes the most likely character
Also Smashboards: "NO ONE LIKES DRAGON QUEST AND IF ERDRICK GETS IN I HOPE SQUARE ENIX FAILS BECAUSE OF THEIR CORPORATE GREED."

I'm laughing at the idea that Erdrick would be a Robin clone and that's what why he shouldn't be in. Just because people here aren't imaginative enough to come up with a moveset for Erdrick doesn't mean that one can't exist. Surely you're forgetting that this is the team that made a moveset for a Plant, a Dog who only laughs at you in the source material, a character who only shows up outside of a car in an anime that released after his appearance in Smash Bros., and more.

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There's one of many three word summaries for Erdrick.

They derived from Duck Hunt Dog, Third-Party Cover Fire. They can derive something unique and original from Erdrick, despite what you may personally believe.
To be fair, those examples you listed mostly suffer from having very little source-material to work with, which in-turn gave the smash team more freedom with the moveset. Erdrick has enough source material so the comparison kinda falls there. Other points are fine though.
 
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Smashboards: "We'd be okay with any Square Enix character."
>Erdrick suddenly becomes the most likely character
Also Smashboards: "NO ONE LIKES DRAGON QUEST AND IF ERDRICK GETS IN I HOPE SQUARE ENIX FAILS BECAUSE OF THEIR CORPORATE GREED."

I'm laughing at the idea that Erdrick would be a Robin clone and that's what why he shouldn't be in. Just because people here aren't imaginative enough to come up with a moveset for Erdrick doesn't mean that one can't exist. Surely you're forgetting that this is the team that made a moveset for a Plant, a Dog who only laughs at you in the source material, a character who only shows up outside of a car in an anime that released after his appearance in Smash Bros., and more.

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There's one of many three word summaries for Erdrick.

They derived from Duck Hunt Dog, Third-Party Cover Fire. They can derive something unique and original from Erdrick, despite what you may personally believe.
When Erdrick's potential moveset is described it feels like some people are just sticking their heads in the ground like ostriches. Multiple people have described how it can be completely unique, yet the "ROBIN CLONE" thing is still there.
 

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To be fair, I think its about half and half right now. Theres plenty of people who do want Erdick as well as not want.
 

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To be fair, those examples you listed mostly suffer from having very little source-material to work with, which in-turn gave the smash team more freedom with the moveset. Erdrick has enough source material so the comparison kinda falls there. Other points are fine though.
Here's a better example then:
Cloud could've easily been another "magic swordfighter" similar to Robin. He has a sword, and he uses magic in his source material. Therefore, he HAS to play similar to Robin, right?

Wrong. He's a unique character completely different from Robin, as will Erdrick if he gets in.

There are valid points against Dragon Quest but a lack of moveset potential isn't one of them. At this point people are grasping at straws to exclude Dragon Quest and that isn't a valid argument.
 
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I mean, that is what initiated it. The contention itself comes from things outside the leak, like move set potential, which is the current topic of discussion in the thread right now.
Huh... That's actually kind of surprising to me.
I though more contention would come from the validity of the leak itself.
Moveset-wise, I don't really see a problem.
To be honest I feel like the biggest plus/minus (depending on how you look at it) to their inclusion is that they'll probably be compared to a Goku look alike w/ a sword to the audience who doesn't know DQ.
 

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Well, I just realized one thing about Erdick; we'd be getting Gohan/Goku...sort-of.

Was watching some of a recent vid by Blocked Content, and he showed a side-by-side comparison between Erdick and young Gohan; their faces are literally the same, the hair at least still being black and spiked.
 
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Here's a better example then:
Cloud could've easily been another "magic swordfighter" similar to Robin. He has a sword, and he uses magic in his source material. Therefore, he HAS to play similar to Robin, right?

Wrong. He's a unique character completely different from Robin, as will Erdrick if he gets in.

There are valid points against Dragon Quest but a lack of moveset potential isn't one of them. At this point people are grasping at straws to exclude Dragon Quest.
I was gonna complain about that example too but I realised that your point is pretty much valid so whatever.


Honestly at this point but I’d be fine with most square reps, including the ones on the list, even if I would like Geno the most. Except Sora. He can be left out.
 

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Huh... That's actually kind of surprising to me.
I though more contention would come from the validity of the leak itself.
Moveset-wise, I don't really see a problem.
To be honest I feel like the biggest plus/minus (depending on how you look at it) to their inclusion is that they'll probably be compared to a Goku look alike w/ a sword to the audience who doesn't know DQ.
I mean, we have discussed that sort of stuff already, this is just where we are at now in the conversation. To me at least, the biggest problem for a DQ rep is the legal hurdles it will take to get even the bare minimum for the DLC. There is a reason DQ has never appeared in a game not developed by Square in it's three decade life span.
 
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As a compilation, so far:

-the Japanese Erdrick leak exists
-Xenother is all in on Erdrick
-Hitagi is all in on Erdrick
-Verge is leaning to Erdrick but doesn't want to go all in on him yet
-I'm leaning to Erdrick but not going 100% in until my source hears Erdrick personally.
 
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I mean, we have discussed that sort of stuff already, this is just where we are at now in the conversation. To me at least, the biggest problem for a DQ rep is the legal hurdles it will take to get even the bear minimum for the DLC. There is a reason DQ has never appeared in a game not developed by Square in it's three decade life span.
I'm not sure if it would be that big of a deal... Nintendo has historically had a close relationship to the DQ brand, publishing every game that released on their consoles in the West, plus the existence of Fortune Street.
But, it is still something to take into consideration.
 

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Smashboards: "We'd be okay with any Square Enix character."
>Erdrick suddenly becomes the most likely character
Also Smashboards: "NO ONE LIKES DRAGON QUEST AND IF ERDRICK GETS IN I HOPE SQUARE ENIX FAILS BECAUSE OF THEIR CORPORATE GREED."
Dude, the answer is obvious.

It will STING with the fact that Geno, Sora, or the other characters (though mostly Geno and Sora since they have the most support) could’ve potentially been considered for the first time and were heard, only for them to not get in and be used as bait.

I mean the fact that Geno is potentially a red herring hurts super hard when you realize that SE knows at this point that Geno is popular.

That’s where most of the pessimism comes from. And it sucks that this list was leaked since it got the hopes of those fan bases only for what is potentially the least wanted character of the bunch get in, especially those who have been supporting for their inclusion for a long time.
 
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Well, I just realized one thing about Erdick; we'd be getting Gohan/Goku...sort-of.

Was watching some of a recent vid by Blocked Content, and he showed a side-by-side comparison between Erdick and young Gohan; their faces are literally the same, the hair at least still being black and spiked.
That's just a staple of Akira Toriyama's work. Only six faces and all that.
 
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Dude, the answer is obvious.

It will STING with the fact that Geno, Sora, Orr the other characters (though mostly Geno and Sora since they have the most support and going for) could’ve potentially been considered for the first time and were heard, only for them to not get in and be used as bait.

I mean the fact that Geno is potentially a red herring hurts super hard when you realize that SE knows at this point that Geno is popular.

That’s where most of the pessimism comes from. And it sucks that this list was leaked since it got the hopes of those fan bases only for what is potentially the least wanted character of the bunch get in, especially those who have been supporting for their inclusion for a long time.
I will say... I know that sting. When Sakurai said that Bartz was actually considered before choosing Cloud as the FF rep, I FELT that sting.
But it's just part of what all this is. You aren't guaranteed to get what you want and that's the end of it.
 

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Here's a better example then:
Cloud could've easily been another "magic swordfighter" similar to Robin. He has a sword, and he uses magic in his source material. Therefore, he HAS to play similar to Robin, right?

Wrong. He's a unique character completely different from Robin, as will Erdrick if he gets in.

There are valid points against Dragon Quest but a lack of moveset potential isn't one of them. At this point people are grasping at straws to exclude Dragon Quest.
The Limit System is not estoteric and you could pretty much understand it by looking at a single screenshot. It's literally a meter. Plus, the magic is not the standard RPG elementals like Earth, wind, fire, water, and air so it's already inherently different from Robin's magic.

Add in:

"Erdrick's not a shill."

*Later*

"Fans shouldn't assume everyone who got in as DLC was due to fan demand."

This thread, man...
 
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waitaminute.

If Hitagi has personally heard Erdick, and it comes true...and Hitagi knew about the new Granblue game...then, since Hitagi is still adamant about Steve...

...( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 

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waitaminute.

If Hitagi has personally heard Erdick, and it comes true...and Hitagi knew about the new Granblue game...then, since Hitagi is still adamant about Steve...

...( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
And just like that, cynicism over this leak just skyrocketed tenfold.
 
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Hitagi has been so inconsistent I really don't give them the time of day, least of all when it comes to Smash. This is the same person that was adamant forever about Katalina.

Erdrick getting in wouldn't really give Hitagi any credit.
 
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Hitagi has been so inconsistent I really don't give them the time of day, least of all when it comes to Smash. This is the same person that was adamant forever about Katalina.

Erdrick getting in wouldn't really give Hitagi any credit.
But we found out Hitagi was right about Katalina, the info was just about the Granblue Versus game. They originally thought it was Smash. Regardless it proves that their ties are legit, their info wasn't clear at that point.
 

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I will say... I know that sting. When Sakurai said that Bartz was actually considered before choosing Cloud as the FF rep, I FELT that sting.
But it's just part of what all this is. You aren't guaranteed to get what you want and that's the end of it.
That’s true, I’m mostly neutral, but seeing all these fan bases and how some have had hopes up only for them to start coming down is one of the hardest parts here.
 
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But we found out Hitagi was right about Katalina, the info was just about the Granblue Versus game. They originally thought it was Smash. Regardless it proves that their ties are legit, their info wasn't clear at that point.
That's quite the chain of data to screw up, though. There are no sure things in text leaks.
 

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As for me, my hype skyrocketed instead.

Now, if we don't get Steve nor Banjo-Kazooie, my hype train dies and I cry while playing my Skull Kid and Geno miis online.
But there is not Geno Mii costume in the game to play online with.
 

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waitaminute.

If Hitagi has personally heard Erdick, and it comes true...and Hitagi knew about the new Granblue game...then, since Hitagi is still adamant about Steve...

...( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Dear God. I can already see the gigantic meltdown people will have once Steve and the Minecraft boss are revealed.
 

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Senjougahara_Hitagi said:
If you guys don't think I'm credible, then you have no reason to be asking me any questions. Thread's closed, DM's open as usual.
Also, to those wondering why I keep saying I will release more info later, there's a reason why Vergeben and I have been kind of quiet lately. There's a time and place for people to talk about stuff right now, and Nintendo is on really high alert, so don't expect a lot of news right now from me, because quite frankly, I don't want to get in trouble along with getting more people fired.
I don't care much about what Hitagi says. Going through his profile it looks a lot like some guy who got information from somebody and he's pretending to be in the industry when he's really not. But if he is in the industry according to his posts he's gotten people fired or people have been fired for posting leaks.

He's probably just good at collecting information and making good guesses based on that mistake he made regarding Katalina.
 

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Which makes it worse unless the costume comes with Erdick.
Plot twist, it's the other way around.

Anyway, I would actually not be mad at Steve at all, at least compared to most others. Heck, part of my username originated from an in joke I had with my friends while we were playing Minecraft.
 

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waitaminute.

If Hitagi has personally heard Erdick, and it comes true...and Hitagi knew about the new Granblue game...then, since Hitagi is still adamant about Steve...

...( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Most leakers have been saying they don't have any proof that Erdrick is in, just that it's a name they've heard a lot, along with other names, it matches up perfectly. No one has seen the character in action (except this 2chan leak which I don't really believe personally but whatever).

My problem with the Steve info is that it is WAY too precise for DLC at the moment. Leakers didn't know about Joker, they only know about Erdrick because he was one of the 7 names Square Enix is giving out, but Steve has been in development since June and people have played him and seen his boss? That's ignoring the other 2 pieces of DLC where theres so little info out there that a name can't even be formed.

Of course I don't think it's impossible, but Steve is an outlier here with the DLC. Personally I see more pointing against Microsoft getting a rep but that's just my opinion. I could be wrong of course.
 

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But we found out Hitagi was right about Katalina, the info was just about the Granblue Versus game. They originally thought it was Smash. Regardless it proves that their ties are legit, their info wasn't clear at that point.
Wait a minute... didn't Hitagi mention that Nintendo was in negotiations with Cygames for something (which is where Katalina came in)?
If I recall correctly, Granblue Versus is only confirmed to be coming to PS4 at this point, not Switch.
So... where does that put us?
 
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Like literally some of these leakers could be taking advantage of the fact that they leaked something knowing it would come out, and then for giggles they said that spongebob would be a character.
 

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Most leakers have been saying they don't have any proof that Erdrick is in, just that it's a name they've heard a lot, along with other names, it matches up perfectly. No one has seen the character in action (except this 2chan leak which I don't really believe personally but whatever).

My problem with the Steve info is that it is WAY too precise for DLC at the moment. Leakers didn't know about Joker, they only know about Erdrick because he was one of the 7 names Square Enix is giving out, but Steve has been in development since June and people have played him and seen his boss? That's ignoring the other 2 pieces of DLC where theres so little info out there that a name can't even be formed.

Of course I don't think it's impossible, but Steve is an outlier here with the DLC. Personally I see more pointing against Microsoft getting a rep but that's just my opinion. I could be wrong of course.
PapaGenos's Banjo-Kazooie source at least gives me hope; his source's source was only ever sure about Incineroar with Banjo-Kazooie being DLC, the Grinch Leak confusing him.

Plus the strings for Jet Force Gemini and Blast Corps in Ultimate's code at least make B-K seem likely.

Wait... didn't Hitagi mention that Nintendo was in negotiations with Cygames for something (which is where Katalina came in)?
If I recall correctly, Granblue Versus is only confirmed to be coming to PS4 at this point, not Switch.
So... where does that put us?
Is Dragalia Lost made by/with Cygames?

If not that, then idk; tbh I think Hitagi said the negotiations were for Katalina so *shrug*
 
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Most leakers have been saying they don't have any proof that Erdrick is in, just that it's a name they've heard a lot, along with other names, it matches up perfectly. No one has seen the character in action (except this 2chan leak which I don't really believe personally but whatever).

My problem with the Steve info is that it is WAY too precise for DLC at the moment. Leakers didn't know about Joker, they only know about Erdrick because he was one of the 7 names Square Enix is giving out, but Steve has been in development since June and people have played him and seen his boss? That's ignoring the other 2 pieces of DLC where theres so little info out there that a name can't even be formed.

Of course I don't think it's impossible, but Steve is an outlier here with the DLC. Personally I see more pointing against Microsoft getting a rep but that's just my opinion. I could be wrong of course.
Well, if it's any useful for you, Vergeben knew that Base Goku and Vegeta would come to DBFZ two months prior to the game's release, and those characters came very late this year.
And also, pictures with data of most characters in MvCI popped up in May 2017, which included Venom and Winter Soldier, characters that didn't come to the game until December.
Characters being in development as early as June this year could easily be a case here.
 

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Like literally some of these leakers could be taking advantage of the fact that they leaked something knowing it would come out, and then for giggles they said that spongebob would be a character.
That's why I'm still not believing this new leak at all.
Granblue Versus has been rumored for a bit prior to this new leak popping up, so that adds nothing in terms of credibility for me.
The only way I'll take it seriously is if the info on Joker's stage being Mementos comes true.
 

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Well, if it's any useful for you, Vergeben knew that Base Goku and Vegeta would come to DBFZ two months prior to the game's release, and those characters came very late this year.
And also, pictures with data of most characters in MvCI popped up in May 2017, which included Venom and Winter Soldier, characters that didn't come to the game until December.
Characters being in development as early as June this year could easily be a case here.
The problem is, Joker has just started development, and a verified leak said Piranha Plant was the only DLC character in the build he played back around the time the people pushing for Steve said they heard he was tested.

If Steve is in, it'll be very weird, and the circumstances surrounding his leak will be really strange (if the leak was real and not just a coincidence anyways).
 
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That's why I'm still not believing this new leak at all.
Granblue Versus has been rumored for a bit prior to this new leak popping up, so that adds nothing in terms of credibility for me.
The only way I'll take it seriously is if the info on Joker's stage being Mementos comes true.
That is a good point actually, if Mementos is not the stage, then this leak gets wounded. And even then, that is one of the more obvious, if boring, potential stages. So luckily, we wont have to wait till the secound character reveal to find out if this has any physical legitimacy or not.
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if Steve being in development since June was fake, or if they didn't want to show Joker models and gameplay stuff the night before Ultimate's release because "umg planned paid-DLC that's being worked on before the game is even out NINTENDO IS BAD!!!1!!1!1"

Hitagi's Steve info is possible either way, though; either because of a build that a play-tester got with access only to specific characters, or because his source got info from negotiation stuffs.
 

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The fact that the 2chan leak claims to know Joker's moveset and stage when he's so early in development he doesn't even have a render makes me totally doubt it.
Still think Erdrick is happening though as he makes the most sense to me.
I don't think any DLC is going to leak personally, none did for Smash 4 because I don't think they outsource the playtesting for DLC characters. Cloud was the only leak, less than a day before the reveal, Ryu got leaked by Nintendo but no one had leaked him before that point.
 
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