[SPOILER ALERT] - The Sevens Squares. - A Square-Enix general support threads.

[NoOtherPersona]

on that front all I can say koichi sugiyama would probably behave better in this thread then you do squidward

 

[Nicnac]

Yes, Sugiyama, NO ONE wants to talk about a single composer as to why a whole franchise shouldn't be in Smash. This conversation from you is gettting tired and petty and it has been for months now. You are literally grasping at straws.

Nuh-uh, because if i buy the entire pass on a whim (which I did) and one of the characters comes from a series that I hate the composer of, that specific character should not get in under any circumstances, disregarding legacy and importance. This makes perfect sense and I shall regurgitate it for months on end.

 

[PsySmasher]

Alright guys, I do have something to ask.

If Brave is used to designate the DQ Hero in English, why did they use the English name instead of the Japanese name 'Yuusha'?

Especially since Piranha Plant's name seems to be in Japanese.

 

[Deleted member]

Alright guys, I do have something to ask.

If Brave is used to designate the DQ Hero in English, why did they use the English name instead of the Japanese name 'Yuusha'?

Especially since Piranha Plant's name seems to be in Japanese.

My guess would to keep it from being more obvious.

 

[NoOtherPersona]

My guess would to keep it from being more obvious.

that's a dangerous game Sakurai and his team is playing cuz smash fans are crazy they probably didn't even think about it and put it in without thinking or something obvious or simple we would have gotten it eventually

 

[waterhasataste]

While it's true that it's harder for his views to leak into his work simply due to the medium; he still get payed for it.

Yes he's getting paid. For composing music. He's not getting paid to have those views nor is he getting paid because he has those views. He's getting paid for doing his job as a composer.

 

[PrettyIvyPearls22]

Alright guys, I do have something to ask.

If Brave is used to designate the DQ Hero in English, why did they use the English name instead of the Japanese name 'Yuusha'?

Especially since Piranha Plant's name seems to be in Japanese.

My guess would to keep it from being more obvious.

I've heard it's because Smash seems to use English names when in data files instead of Japanese, I forget the reason why they prefer to do this, I want to say so its not to confuse characters, but I think this reasoning may be wrong.

 

[Eldrake]

My guess would to keep it from being more obvious.

Yeah, it's to make it harder to figure out who the character is in the event their codename got leaked. Imagine if we heard of "Jack" before Joker's announcement. Few would have guessed Joker (more people would guess Jack Frost than Joker).

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah, it's to make it harder to figure out who the character is in the event their codename got leaked. Imagine if we heard of "Jack" before Joker's announcement. Few would have guessed Joker (more people would guess Jack Frost than Joker).

To be fair guessing Jack Frost would put us on the right track at least

 

[Flyboy]

I'm not really a dataminer but a lot of unusual English terms were used for internal files for Melee back when I used to really dig into debug menus. I remember especially being amused by "giga_boucer".

 

[EricTheGamerman]

It's not purely character or franchise based though. I find DQ just really generic on it's own. It's got a cloud of toxicity surrounding it though.

Jesus dude, I’ve never seen someone so desperate to vilify a game franchise.

You’re allowed to hate Dragon Quest, and you’re allowed to pretty much wish Sugiyama would be turned out on to the streets and defamed all you want. Hating a man for denying war crimes is pretty reasonable. Not wanting to contribute your money toward him is also fine (though you kind of screwed the pooch on that one).

What isn’t fine, is what you’ve been doing for weeks now. Which has been pushing a Dragon Quest is bad narrative for the comments (not even actions) of one employee that unfortunately does have a large presence due to how Game music has been handled in the past. One. Not the entire development team. Not even any other major person. You can’t claim that Dragon Quest has some cloud of toxicity off of that. Such a statement is an extreme hyperbole at best.

What is Square to do? Potentially shoot their own franchise in the foot and cause all kinds of legal issues to try and break from Sugiyama tor a gesture of good will that won’t really benefit them. Or just wait a couple years until he dies of natural causes and move on without causing a **** storm for everyone involved? Because there are lots of good people still involved with the franchise who have their own passions that get discredited immediately in your judgments. And again, I don’t think most of us know how those issues are handled in Japan and what the cultural norms are.

Separating the artist from the Art is a very contentious issue, so don’t be surprised when people don’t agree with you. And constantly whining about it and expecting people to agree with you makes people even less likely to give you the time of day.

And bringing up Polanski is so irrelevant given the fact he’s a director for one and had much more control over projects than Sugiyama, who again is a part of a whole at best. And you know, Polanski’s actions are several degrees of more horrible than just making some ****ty comments.

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

When Sugiyama dies, will you still hate DQ as much as you do?

Of course not.

 

[Deleted member]

“Mortal Kombat is surrounded by a cloud of lies and missinformation because Ed Boon is always trolling his fans and adds too many guest characters.”

 

[Deleted member]

“Mortal Kombat is surrounded by a cloud of lies and missinformation because Ed Boon is always trolling his fans and adds too many guest characters.”

spawn never ever

 

[PsySmasher]

Of course not.

If that's the case, then why in the world are you dragging DQ through the mud if Sugiyama is the only thing you really hate about the series?

Let me guess: Guilty by association?

 

[Nicnac]

If that's the case, then why in the world are you dragging DQ through the mud if Sugiyama is the only thing you really hate about the series?

Let me guess: Guilty by association?

It's apparently "generic" and has a "toxic cloud" around it.

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

Jesus dude, I’ve never seen someone so desperate to vilify a game franchise.

You’re allowed to hate Dragon Quest, and you’re allowed to pretty much wish Sugiyama would be turned out on to the streets and defamed all you want. Hating a man for denying war crimes is pretty reasonable. Not wanting to contribute your money toward him is also fine (though you kind of screwed the pooch on that one).

What isn’t fine, is what you’ve been doing for weeks now. Which has been pushing a Dragon Quest is bad narrative for the comments (not even actions) of one employee that unfortunately does have a large presence due to how Game music has been handled in the past. One. Not the entire development team. Not even any other major person. You can’t claim that Dragon Quest has some cloud of toxicity off of that. Such a statement is an extreme hyperbole at best.

What is Square to do? Potentially shoot their own franchise in the foot and cause all kinds of legal issues to try and break from Sugiyama tor a gesture of good will that won’t really benefit them. Or just wait a couple years until he dies of natural causes and move on without causing a **** storm for everyone involved? Because there are lots of good people still involved with the franchise who have their own passions that get discredited immediately in your judgments. And again, I don’t think most of us know how those issues are handled in Japan and what the cultural norms are.

Separating the artist from the Art is a very contentious issue, so don’t be surprised when people don’t agree with you. And constantly whining about it and expecting people to agree with you makes people even less likely to give you the time of day.

And bringing up Polanski is so irrelevant given the fact he’s a director for one and had much more control over projects than Sugiyama, who again is a part of a whole at best. And you know, Polanski’s actions are several degrees of more horrible than just making some ****ty comments.

I would say integrity is more important than a view more years of revenue and avoiding legal issues; but we all know that's not how business works.

 

[PsySmasher]

It's apparently "generic" and has a "toxic cloud" around it.

So Sugiyama basically.

 

[Deleted member]

I don’t understand these complaints about toxic clouds. Have you not played World of Light yet? Just equip a defogging spirit, you get one pretty early on.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

I would say integrity is more important than a view more years of revenue and avoiding legal issues; but we all know that's not how business works.

And how does including DQ somehow negate integrity? Or are we just gonna pretend that nobody, not even Sakurai likes Dragon Quest now?

 

[Nicnac]

And how does including DQ somehow negate integrity? Or are we just gonna pretend that nobody, not even Sakurai likes Dragon Quest now?

The composer is a bigot so EVERYONE IS A BIGOT AND YOU ARE A PRICK IF YOU SUPPORT THE SUGIYAMA REGIME

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

And how does including DQ somehow negate integrity? Or are we just gonna pretend that nobody, not even Sakurai likes Dragon Quest now?

I mean I was talking about Square firing Sugiyama... this really has nothing to do with what you're quoting.

 

[Deleted member]

And how does including DQ somehow negate integrity? Or are we just gonna pretend that nobody, not even Sakurai likes Dragon Quest now?

No one has ever actually played a Dragon Quest game before, and all 70 million of its series sales were from Square buying their own games back from them.

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

I know they are negative words; but your responses would be better if you did more than glance over them before writing the witty replies.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

I mean I was talking about Square firing Sugiyama... this really has nothing to do with what you're quoting.

Oh really? Despite that being apparently your biggest reason not to include DQ in Smash.

Even if that's true, Sugiyama has his based planted deep in that franchise. He holds heavy rights to it. They fire him, he'd likely take the franchise down with him. And there's far too many good people running that franchise to do something that extreme.

 

[Fatmanonice]

OptimisticStrifer You're allowed to be mad but it's time to move on from this thread. You've made your arguments and the consensus is that most people in this thread don't agree with you. The tides are not going to change here. It's a losing battle and nothing new has been said in a long time. It's just best to bow out at this point. Yes, I realize the indignation is strong but most are just saying you're salty about Geno who may or may not be out of the running so the message is lost. I get what you're trying to get at but you can't force this group to see it your way no matter how long you stay at it. You have to find a different way of going about this than taking it out on the people in this thread.

 

[PsySmasher]

I mean I was talking about Square firing Sugiyama... this really has nothing to do with what you're quoting.

This entire 2 page argument started because you, were trying to make an argument on why DQ shouldn't be in Smash.

This has everything to do with DQ since your entire argument started with why DQ shouldn't be in.

I'm getting really tired of this.

 

[PolarPanda]

Alright guys, I do have something to ask.

If Brave is used to designate the DQ Hero in English, why did they use the English name instead of the Japanese name 'Yuusha'?

Especially since Piranha Plant's name seems to be in Japanese.

They aren't using the straight up names, that's why. They're using codenames. Pirannah was known about before the game was even out. Joker and "Brave" were not, so they are only listed as codenames. "Brave" is merely a hint at who it could be. People connected the dots and saw how specifically related "Brave" is to Erdrick.

 

[Nicnac]

They aren't using the straight up names, that's why. They're using codenames. Pirannah was known about before the game was even out. Joker and "Brave" were not, so they are only listed as codenames. "Brave" is merely a hint at who it could be. People connected the dots and saw how specifically related "Brave" is to Erdrick.

So, PolarPanda, other than Geno, is there anyone you want? Not anything related to leaks, but anyone you want?

 

[Deleted member]

They aren't using the straight up names, that's why. They're using codenames. Pirannah was known about before the game was even out. Joker and "Brave" were not, so they are only listed as codenames. "Brave" is merely a hint at who it could be. People connected the dots and saw how specifically related "Brave" is to Erdrick.

Then weirdos like me saw connections with Eight too, and the website got nuts.

It would be neat if Erdrick was similar to Bowser Jr. in the way that the heroes from the other DQ games are alternate costumes like the Koopalings. At least for me.

 

[PolarPanda]

For reference:

"Brave" Stats
Hash - 0x12a733f9e8
Weight - 101. Either the lightest heavyweight or the heaviest midweight. he's 1 variable lighter than ryu, for context/
Max Walk Speed - 1.28. Pichu walk speed
Max Run Speed - 1.74. Despite his heavyweight status, he's as fast as toon link.
Air Speed - 1.2 Nothing special. Same as donkey kong and mario.
Fall Speed - 1.9 6th fastest faller. Only beaten by Joker, dedede, lil mac, mii brawler, and fox.
Fast Fall Speed - 2.88
Gravity - .09
Jumps - 2
Wall Jump - False
Wall Cling - False C
rawl - False
Tether - False

His size is "medium", around the same as joker or cloud, for reference. He does not have a rapid jab.

 

[Deleted member]

For reference:

"Brave" Stats
Hash - 0x12a733f9e8
Weight - 101. Either the lightest heavyweight or the heaviest midweight. he's 1 variable lighter than ryu, for context/
Max Walk Speed - 1.28. Pichu walk speed
Max Run Speed - 1.74. Despite his heavyweight status, he's as fast as toon link.
Air Speed - 1.2 Nothing special. Same as donkey kong and mario.
Fall Speed - 1.9 6th fastest faller. Only beaten by Joker, dedede, lil mac, mii brawler, and fox.
Fast Fall Speed - 2.88
Gravity - .09
Jumps - 2
Wall Jump - False
Wall Cling - False C
rawl - False
Tether - False

His size is "medium", around the same as joker or cloud, for reference. He does not have a rapid jab.

sounds like a disproportionately large slime to me

 

[Deleted member]

For reference:

"Brave" Stats
Hash - 0x12a733f9e8
Weight - 101. Either the lightest heavyweight or the heaviest midweight. he's 1 variable lighter than ryu, for context/
Max Walk Speed - 1.28. Pichu walk speed
Max Run Speed - 1.74. Despite his heavyweight status, he's as fast as toon link.
Air Speed - 1.2 Nothing special. Same as donkey kong and mario.
Fall Speed - 1.9 6th fastest faller. Only beaten by Joker, dedede, lil mac, mii brawler, and fox.
Fast Fall Speed - 2.88
Gravity - .09
Jumps - 2
Wall Jump - False
Wall Cling - False C
rawl - False
Tether - False

His size is "medium", around the same as joker or cloud, for reference. He does not have a rapid jab.

Nothing that makes me go for one option alone.

I don’t know for sure if it is Erdrick or Eight at the moment.

 

[TheCJBrine]

"Brave" could also be 8 of the DQ Heroes as a default + 7 alts or all of the Heroes in one moveset...somehow...

Also, I was gonna make a joke, but I forgot what it was. Crap.

 

[Deleted member]

sounds like a disproportionately large slime to me

KING SLIME CONFIRMED!

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

sounds like a disproportionately large slime to me

Nah, Slime would probably be able to cling to walls.

 

[Eldrake]

For reference:

"Brave" Stats
Hash - 0x12a733f9e8
Weight - 101. Either the lightest heavyweight or the heaviest midweight. he's 1 variable lighter than ryu, for context/
Max Walk Speed - 1.28. Pichu walk speed
Max Run Speed - 1.74. Despite his heavyweight status, he's as fast as toon link.
Air Speed - 1.2 Nothing special. Same as donkey kong and mario.
Fall Speed - 1.9 6th fastest faller. Only beaten by Joker, dedede, lil mac, mii brawler, and fox.
Fast Fall Speed - 2.88
Gravity - .09
Jumps - 2
Wall Jump - False
Wall Cling - False C
rawl - False
Tether - False

His size is "medium", around the same as joker or cloud, for reference. He does not have a rapid jab.

Sounds like a grown-up Erdrick to me, but I could be wrong.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Just curious. Where did the information that Erdrick would have a party member mechanic come from?

As for the trailer, they could choose many routes.
I admit I love the Goku fake out a lot. Some characters in the DQ universe cast Magic as if they were performing a Kamehameha (Rab from XI) so it would be hillarious if Erdrick would do that as well.

Another trailer involving RPG heroes ganging up on Cloud, and Erdrick coming to his rescue, with the tagline "Erdrick joins the party" or something along those lines, and both Fighting back to back. Ooof... My teen self and my current self would resonante across the ages in pure bliss.

For the love of everything. I hope his nemesis/final boss is included as a boss!

 

[Deleted member]

Sounds like a grown-up Erdrick to me, but I could be wrong.

It also sounds to me like Eight.

And i hope that this rollercoaster of emotions in my brain ends quickly.

 

[PsySmasher]

Then weirdos like me saw connections with Eight too, and the website got nuts.

It would be neat if Erdrick was similar to Bowser Jr. in the way that the heroes from the other DQ games are alternate costumes like the Koopalings. At least for me.

Brave could pretty much reference any hero in DQ, any of the main cast in Bravely Default, Sephiroth etc.

The only reason most people are sticking w/ Erdrick is that he's the most speculated.