[SPOILER ALERT] - The Sevens Squares. - A Square-Enix general support threads.

[NoOtherPersona]

Least exciting Squenix pick?

Geno: My most wanted character in general. I've tried to become a big advocate for him. If you can't tell, I want him.
Sora: KH is a great series, great moveset potential, would make my friends like TPC and irl friends happy.
Erdrick: ...I mean, I guess. Lol. I can respect his iconicness in regards to DQ. Don't want him, but I've come to terms, lol. Happy for his fans.
Slime: Very cute, very iconic, hilarious pick. Don't want him, but out of Erdrick/Luminary/Slime he's the one I'd want most by far.
Sephiroth: It's ****ing Sephiroth I can't get too mad. Would be rightfully pissed FF7 is the only FF with content in Smash but Seph is one of THE villains of gaming. Would still be disgruntled but IT'S SEPHIROTH.
Crono: I respect this guy. Iconic, neat design, highly-regarded game. Would be pretty okay.

Luminary: **** this guy, if you're a Luminary fan I am sorry and you've put up with a lot this cycle but god damn, the ULTIMATE shill pick. The least exciting and most upsetting Squenix 7 pick for me.

I respect what you have to say about luminary

 

[Luigi The President]

I respect what you have to say about luminary

And thank you for that. If you want Luminary I genuinely respect that. He's been roasted quite a bit this cycle.
I would just rather Erdrick get in then Luminary; Erdrick is like Marth, and Luminary would be Corrin. Does that make sense? Iconic first face vs. a mostly promo pick.
I am positive Luminary would bring awesome things to the table though.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I'm going to also be honest; I don't see how Erdrick can represent Dragon Quest any better than Slime can. The lore is beyond irrelevant in Smash. Trophies are gone. Any stage works that's part of Dragon Quest as is.

Slime's abilities represent the tons of magic and skills that are very important to the DQ series. Erdrick can't represent monster skills nearly as well, but can represent armor and weapons. Basically? They're equal in how they can work. There's nothing special one does that outweighs the other in what they can bring. They're both highly important to the series in different ways, but still work fine.

I also highly doubt Luminary is getting in, outside of an Alt. He doesn't have the recognizability. Erdrick feels possible, but he's also got to compete with the series mascot, who has a lot more going for him in what Smash can represent. Overall, Slime is at an advantage. The only thing Erdrick even has going for him is he's heard by more people. Though that could be a case he's leakbait too(though to be honest, I think Luminary is very likely to be leakbait. Both of them could be, mind you. Slime I don't think is, mostly cause he would be heard by way more if he was meant to be bait. Even Geno is heard way more often, which says something).

 

[Deleted member]

If we're gonna have someone from DQ11 why not the real star of the show?

Spoiler

YOU RANG, HONEY?

Sylv would be the best DQ11 rep change my mind

Actually him or Erik

 

[Luigi The President]

I'm going to also be honest; I don't see how Erdrick can represent Dragon Quest any better than Slime can. The lore is beyond irrelevant in Smash. Trophies are gone. Any stage works that's part of Dragon Quest as is.

Slime's abilities represent the tons of magic and skills that are very important to the DQ series. Erdrick can't represent monster skills nearly as well, but can represent armor and weapons. Basically? They're equal in how they can work. There's nothing special one does that outweighs the other in what they can bring. They're both highly important to the series in different ways, but still work fine.

I also highly doubt Luminary is getting in, outside of an Alt. He doesn't have the recognizability. Erdrick feels possible, but he's also got to compete with the series mascot, who has a lot more going for him in what Smash can represent. Overall, Slime is at an advantage. The only thing Erdrick even has going for him is he's heard by more people. Though that could be a case he's leakbait too(though to be honest, I think Luminary is very likely to be leakbait. Both of them could be, mind you. Slime I don't think is, mostly cause he would be heard by way more if he was meant to be bait. Even Geno is heard way more often, which says something).

I mean, I don't think the series mascot argument is viable anymore.
We got Cloud, not Moogle or Chocobo.
We got Joker, not Jack Frost.

If we're gonna have someone from DQ11 why not the real star of the show?

Spoiler

View attachment 184873YOU RANG, HONEY?

Sylv would be the best DQ11 rep change my mind

Actually him or Erik

Now, a guy like this, I can respect a guy like this

 

[Potatu]

The least hype SE character for me is probably Luminary or Sephiroth. Luminary because, in my opinion, there's almost nothing to him and Sephiroth, because he'd be wasted potential. I feel like Terra would be better, she's one of the most popular FF protagonists.

 

[Deleted member]

Sephiroth isn't my least wanted mostly because of my villain bias.

I would say Slime, mostly because i prefer Erdrick.

 

[NoOtherPersona]

And thank you for that. If you want Luminary I genuinely respect that. He's been roasted quite a bit this cycle.
I would just rather Erdrick get in then Luminary; Erdrick is like Marth, and Luminary would be Corrin. Does that make sense? Iconic first face vs. a mostly promo pick.
I am positive Luminary would bring awesome things to the table though.

Most certainly but I guess I don't see lumi like you do because I like all dragon quest protagonists even tho there husks equally so I've got nothing bad to say about any of them lol

 

[GoodGrief741]

Considering how Cloud was almost cut from Ultimate and there was no Final Fantasy spirits in the final game, I don't think there's a Square newcomer coming. I think Cloud was the rumored Square "newcomer" all along. I don't think Sakurai would want to ask Square for a newcomer after fighting to bring a veteran back to have the "Everyone is Here" tagline for Ultimate. And if I'm wrong and there is a Square newcomer, it won't be Geno because he's already a spirit. And even if it was a similar case to the Mewtwo and Lucas trophies in Smash 4, we already got enough Mario characters and stages in the game and I don't want the Fighter Pass wasted on overrepped series. Sora is partially owned Disney and we know how Sakurai feels about going to a movie studio to ask about a character's inclusion in his video game crossover. That's why support threads for Goku and Mickey Mouse are banned on Smash Boards. Sephiroth is Final Fantasy and I believe the fighter pass would have fighters from unrepped series. Crono was created by the same guy who made Goku. The characters with the best chance would be the Dragon Quest reps.

Cloud almost being cut is just a rumor though.

To get back on topic after Granblue discussion, what would the least hype out of the Seven be for you and why?

I'd probably pick Slime because I hate the idea of a generic enemy with (iirc) no character overshadowing the massive requests of the Starsend Saviour and the Kid with the Keyblade.

Katalina or Saber would definitely be next after Steve.

Edit: I dunno what my brain read there, it would probably be Luminary because I haven’t played 11 yet.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I mean, I don't think the series mascot argument is viable anymore.
We got Cloud, not Moogle or Chocobo.
We got Joker, not Jack Frost.

Actually, Cloud is their true mascot. Nobody knows him better. Slime isn't the same as those either. He's far more significant to Dragon Quest. And still more recognizable too. The thing is, it's not just about mascot status, it's also about recognizability. Slime is just far more recognizable than any Hero. Not nearly as wanted, but he's definitely the mascot over them.

Jack Frost is the mascot of Shin Megami Tensei, not so much Persona in itself. It's a different situation since its a double franchise of sorts. It's like with the Yoshi series. Mario isn't the mascot of the Yoshi games either. It might seem like a strange example, but we know who is the mascot of that set of games. Mascots can be divided up. If you want another example, Soul Calibur is mainly based upon the story of the Calibur and Edge. Nightmare is the mascot, but sometimes isn't even the antagonist. That doesn't change his status. Also, we got Pikachu in, who is pretty much the same level as Slime is for Dragon Quest. Erdrick is pretty much Red in this case. But he's not as popular or as recognizable as Slime is(note, when I say popularity, I mean as a whole. That does not mean the same thing as "wanted for Smash"). If you take a look at a previous poll in this thread, Slime was right up there by Erdrick as well. He is definitely a major contender and they want him for Smash as well.

So I'd still say they're really in the same boat. Especially when one realizes mascots have gotten in before the player character.

 

[Deleted member]

And thank you for that. If you want Luminary I genuinely respect that. He's been roasted quite a bit this cycle.
I would just rather Erdrick get in then Luminary; Erdrick is like Marth, and Luminary would be Corrin. Does that make sense? Iconic first face vs. a mostly promo pick.
I am positive Luminary would bring awesome things to the table though.

Honestly I'm all for the roasting with that hairstyle
but, I don't think he would be as bad as Corrin since his game has already been out worldwide for some time, and was (from what I've seen at least) a lot better recieved than FE fates was

 

[shinhed-echi]

I don't get the hate for Luminary. It feels like it came out of nowhere, because let's Face it, nobody talked about DQ here except for the few dedicated threads.

I know the general consensus is that either Erdrick or Eight should be the frontrunners, because of iconic factor, and popularity. But I find Luminary to be a solid pick regardless. I mean, yes, I get he'd be promotional material, and I agree that the spot should go to someone that is pretty much the nexus of the whole DQ lore.

But to downright hate the character for being the new guy?
I get that his design isn't everybody's cup of tea. I personally like that he seems based off Eight in his attire.
(Besides, purple is criminally underrated).

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

If we're gonna have someone from DQ11 why not the real star of the show?

Spoiler

View attachment 184873YOU RANG, HONEY?

Sylv would be the best DQ11 rep change my mind

Actually him or Erik

Nah, I want this guy:

Rab would be the best Dragon Quest representative.

 

[Sean Wheeler]

If we are getting a new Square Enix rep, I hope it's a Dragon Quest character just so that Smash Wiki can replace one of it's interwiki symbols with an official series symbol for Dragon Quest Wiki. Hey, if Dragon Quest has a place on the Nintendo Independent Wiki Alliance and it crossed over with Mario before, it must be Nintendo enough to have a place in Smash, right? I mean, why did NIWA let that wiki join them if it wasn't a Nintendo wiki?

 

[Ovaltine]

I don't get the hate for Luminary. It feels like it came out of nowhere, because let's Face it, nobody talked about DQ here except for the few dedicated threads.

I know the general consensus is that either Erdrick or Eight should be the frontrunners, because of iconic factor, and popularity. But I find Luminary to be a solid pick regardless. I mean, yes, I get he'd be promotional material, and I agree that the spot should go to someone that is pretty much the nexus of the whole DQ lore.

But to downright hate the character for being the new guy?
I get that his design isn't everybody's cup of tea. I personally like that he seems based off Eight in his attire.
(Besides, purple is criminally underrated).

Aw, I hope my posting didn't come off that way. I'm honestly joking. I think Luminary has merits, in all seriousness. I just like taking digs at his hair.

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

I don't get the hate for Luminary. It feels like it came out of nowhere, because let's Face it, nobody talked about DQ here except for the few dedicated threads.

I know the general consensus is that either Erdrick or Eight should be the frontrunners, because of iconic factor, and popularity. But I find Luminary to be a solid pick regardless. I mean, yes, I get he'd be promotional material, and I agree that the spot should go to someone that is pretty much the nexus of the whole DQ lore.

But to downright hate the character for being the new guy?
I get that his design isn't everybody's cup of tea. I personally like that he seems based off Eight in his attire.
(Besides, purple is criminally underrated).

Luminary is the most blatant example of what I think bringing DQ to smash would represent IMO. The other picks can at least pretend to be due to it's history or because of it's legacy. Retro rep's; so to speak.

 

[NoOtherPersona]

I don't get the hate for Luminary. It feels like it came out of nowhere, because let's Face it, nobody talked about DQ here except for the few dedicated threads.

I know the general consensus is that either Erdrick or Eight should be the frontrunners, because of iconic factor, and popularity. But I find Luminary to be a solid pick regardless. I mean, yes, I get he'd be promotional material, and I agree that the spot should go to someone that is pretty much the nexus of the whole DQ lore.

But to downright hate the character for being the new guy?
I get that his design isn't everybody's cup of tea. I personally like that he seems based off Eight in his attire.
(Besides, purple is criminally underrated).

To be honest when it comes to DQ he has the weakest design in my opinion him and 7s protagonist

 

[Dr. Jojo Phantasma]

Nah, I want this guy:



Rab would be the best Dragon Quest representative.

Are you kidding, boi? We need Sylvando in there.

Spoiler

 

[Luigi The President]

I don't get the hate for Luminary. It feels like it came out of nowhere, because let's Face it, nobody talked about DQ here except for the few dedicated threads.

I know the general consensus is that either Erdrick or Eight should be the frontrunners, because of iconic factor, and popularity. But I find Luminary to be a solid pick regardless. I mean, yes, I get he'd be promotional material, and I agree that the spot should go to someone that is pretty much the nexus of the whole DQ lore.

But to downright hate the character for being the new guy?
I get that his design isn't everybody's cup of tea. I personally like that he seems based off Eight in his attire.
(Besides, purple is criminally underrated).

I'm sure he's a fine young man outside of Smash speculation; just don't like the idea of him joining Smash.
Luminary the DQ guy and Luminary the potential Smash DLC are different characters in my mind.

 

[Deleted member]

Nah, I want this guy:

Rab would be the best Dragon Quest representative.

Only if one of his taunts is him dropping a dirty magazine from his bag.

 

[RandomAce]

I'm going to also be honest; I don't see how Erdrick can represent Dragon Quest any better than Slime can. The lore is beyond irrelevant in Smash. Trophies are gone. Any stage works that's part of Dragon Quest as is.

Slime's abilities represent the tons of magic and skills that are very important to the DQ series. Erdrick can't represent monster skills nearly as well, but can represent armor and weapons. Basically? They're equal in how they can work. There's nothing special one does that outweighs the other in what they can bring. They're both highly important to the series in different ways, but still work fine.

I also highly doubt Luminary is getting in, outside of an Alt. He doesn't have the recognizability. Erdrick feels possible, but he's also got to compete with the series mascot, who has a lot more going for him in what Smash can represent. Overall, Slime is at an advantage. The only thing Erdrick even has going for him is he's heard by more people. Though that could be a case he's leakbait too(though to be honest, I think Luminary is very likely to be leakbait. Both of them could be, mind you. Slime I don't think is, mostly cause he would be heard by way more if he was meant to be bait. Even Geno is heard way more often, which says something).

As LTP said, there are times where the mascot hasn’t been chosen when it comes to new franchises as seen with Moogle and Jack Frost.

Slime are in a similar situation where, although they are popular and became faces of the series, aren’t overall important to the overall series. Slime is just a generic enemy in the grand scheme of things that SE was able to market well.

Now compare that to Erdrick, who was the main protagonist of a game’s whose lore went to be a part of multiple games in the series and even most recently DQ11, and Erdrick has become sort of like the Cloud of DQ where he is essentially the Protagonist to represent the series.

And Erdrick doesn’t fail in what his moveset could be. Since he is apart of the Hero Class (or something like that), he has a wide variety of spells, weapons, and types of attacks to use that can make him unqiue. (And I believe he was to introduce the concept, but I have to learn more).

In my opinion, I think Erdrick has the upper hand on why he would be chosen to be playable from DQ. Erdrick is more important than the series compared to Slime, and can have a unique moveset due to his class that gives him access to all sorts of abilities. Slime is a mascot and has become synonymous with the series, but aside from that and maybe a moveset that they can bring, that’s where it really ends.

At least that’s how I see it.

 

[Deleted member]

My dream pick for the Dragon Quest rep is Hero from 8.

He is the one who i know the most, since i played that game a lot as a kid.

 

[ZenythSmash]

Think you're misunderstanding my point
What I'm trying to say is Xenother's credibility AS A WHOLE has taken a hit
Xenother's credibility when it comes to Erdrick is relatively unchanged, if that's what you mean

okay NOW i'm understanding what you mean
but again, a single wrong piece of rumor wouldn't do much to a insider. they can tank in hits, yeah. if they keep on getting continuously wrong rumors like Marcus Sellars, there's no way their credibility can be salvaged here
meanwhile we had people like Emily Rogers and Verge getting out of anything they fell into and out. its also mostly the fact they keep running into multiple sources and stick with who's more right most of the time.

right now Xenother met with his first incorrect piece of rumor, now we have to see how things play out for the other rumors now that similar rumors are popping up quick in favor now.

 

[PrettyIvyPearls22]

Least exciting Squenix pick?

Geno: My most wanted character in general. I've tried to become a big advocate for him. If you can't tell, I want him.
Sora: KH is a great series, great moveset potential, would make my friends like TPC and irl friends happy.
Erdrick: ...I mean, I guess. Lol. I can respect his iconicness in regards to DQ. Don't want him, but I've come to terms, lol. Happy for his fans.
Slime: Very cute, very iconic, hilarious pick. Don't want him, but out of Erdrick/Luminary/Slime he's the one I'd want most by far.
Sephiroth: It's ****ing Sephiroth I can't get too mad. Would be rightfully pissed FF7 is the only FF with content in Smash but Seph is one of THE villains of gaming. Would still be disgruntled but IT'S SEPHIROTH.
Crono: I respect this guy. Iconic, neat design, highly-regarded game. Would be pretty okay.

Luminary: **** this guy, if you're a Luminary fan I am sorry and you've put up with a lot this cycle but god damn, the ULTIMATE shill pick. The least exciting and most upsetting Squenix 7 pick for me.

Surprised that this kind of discussion has never been bought up on this thread until now, Square has so many characters that would make a good bit of people happy to being completely hyped for them. From exciting to least exciting characterL

Sora: I've been a fan of Kingdom Hearts since the first game, and I would be completely shooketh if Sora were to make it in and I would probably cry, I cried a good bit with Ultimate's character reveals. Simon, K.Rool, Isabelle, and Joker. Joker was my ultimate reaction though, Sora would top it tenfold.

Erdrick: Hey, I love Dragon Quest and even if he's been rumored at this point, I would still be in awe over him. DQ has become one of my favorite RPG series within the past couple of years. I may not have a complete fond of it as I do with Kingdom Hearts, but I completely appreciate it, I'm still new to Dragon Quest and I'm learning about the series, but I would be completely rooting for Erdrick if he got revealed.

Slime: Just like with Erdrick, would be completly rooting for him. If anything; I'd be like "take that all you generic enemy haters" if Pirnah Plant is anything to go off by,

Sephiroth: Final Fantasy VII is not my favorite Final Fantasy, BUT Sephiroth is one of my favorite villains from the series, and if anything the reason I would want him in, is to see how they would handle his freaking sword! Also, you can never go wrong with adding another villain in Smash!

Geno: I may not be a fan of the character, but honestly I'd be happy for so many people if he really did make it. After so many years of requesting, most of the fandom would rejoice and it would be another K. Rool and Ridley moment, like "Woo-hoo we did it, he's finally here!" kind of deal!

Chrono: Another RPG character I completely appreciate, and it's sad that Square doesn't acknowledge the game much just like with Super Mario RPG. I love the game Chrono Trigger, but he wouldn't really do much for me, it's probably because Chrono isn't really my favorite character from that game, but I get it, Smash goes for the main star for third party franchises, not side characters, unless the series is important enought to get a side character.

Luminary: The most boring protag DQ has ever developed, I get that it's the most recent hero but please no. He'd be a literal who, even more so than Erdrick. If they were to get someone from 11, at least let it be Jade.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Aw, I hope my posting didn't come off that way. I'm honestly joking. I think Luminary has merits, in all seriousness. I just like taking digs at his hair.

No worries! I wasn't targetting anyone in particular. And I did notice when he became the ... (lol)... butt of the joke, particularly due to his fabulous hair.

But yes, I admit Erdrick is just a better pick in every way. (It's just that I wouldn't be too upset if it was Luminary who got in instead. I like them almost equally).

I'm one of the rare type who would have loved one different protagonist per color swap slot.

 

[ZenythSmash]

i recently saw a moveset mock-up for Slime and i have to say again, having all his aerials do healing damage is quite scary
imagine trying to score a stock with Incineroar but they manage to survive that fatal attack after stealing a percentage or 2
would cheese a lot of matches and spirit battles

 

[Nekoo]

I'm going to also be honest; I don't see how Erdrick can represent Dragon Quest any better than Slime can. The lore is beyond irrelevant in Smash. Trophies are gone. Any stage works that's part of Dragon Quest as is.

Slime's abilities represent the tons of magic and skills that are very important to the DQ series. Erdrick can't represent monster skills nearly as well, but can represent armor and weapons. Basically? They're equal in how they can work. There's nothing special one does that outweighs the other in what they can bring. They're both highly important to the series in different ways, but still work fine.

I also highly doubt Luminary is getting in, outside of an Alt. He doesn't have the recognizability. Erdrick feels possible, but he's also got to compete with the series mascot, who has a lot more going for him in what Smash can represent. Overall, Slime is at an advantage. The only thing Erdrick even has going for him is he's heard by more people. Though that could be a case he's leakbait too(though to be honest, I think Luminary is very likely to be leakbait. Both of them could be, mind you. Slime I don't think is, mostly cause he would be heard by way more if he was meant to be bait. Even Geno is heard way more often, which says something).

I mean, lore being irrelevant or not, Erdrick himself left such a mark on Dragon Quest's world, that the Series will be either the "DQ" logo like FF or straight up Erdrick's insigna.
You can't compare him to final fantasy, where each games are another complete deal without any connection or at best easter eggs between each game.
Erdrick though? He's the red string in the DQ World.

 

[Calane]

I'm going to also be honest; I don't see how Erdrick can represent Dragon Quest any better than Slime can. The lore is beyond irrelevant in Smash. Trophies are gone. Any stage works that's part of Dragon Quest as is.

Slime's abilities represent the tons of magic and skills that are very important to the DQ series. Erdrick can't represent monster skills nearly as well, but can represent armor and weapons. Basically? They're equal in how they can work. There's nothing special one does that outweighs the other in what they can bring. They're both highly important to the series in different ways, but still work fine.

I also highly doubt Luminary is getting in, outside of an Alt. He doesn't have the recognizability. Erdrick feels possible, but he's also got to compete with the series mascot, who has a lot more going for him in what Smash can represent. Overall, Slime is at an advantage. The only thing Erdrick even has going for him is he's heard by more people. Though that could be a case he's leakbait too(though to be honest, I think Luminary is very likely to be leakbait. Both of them could be, mind you. Slime I don't think is, mostly cause he would be heard by way more if he was meant to be bait. Even Geno is heard way more often, which says something).

Basically, Dragon Quest is not about Slime. In the main series, Slime is mostly nothing but a random enemy encounter. He may be the mascot, but DQ is actually about the Heroes, their party members, and the adventures they go on. If someone were to try and accurately represent DQ in a game like Smash, Erdrick does a far better job at capturing the spirit of DQ and what the main games are about. It also helps that Erdrick is one of the most iconic figures in the series, but has the benefit of being an actual character and the protagonist of what is probably DQ's most important game.

I don't dislike Slime, but it just doesn't represent the main series and what the games are actually about by itself. It'd do well to represent the monsters, but it could do that just fine being in DQ's stage or whatever else. I just don't think it makes much sense being DQ's only playable rep, but that's just me.

I hope this didn't come off as rude, and I apologize if it did. I respect your opinion and would be happy for you if Slime actually got in.

 

[shinhed-echi]

I always thought that although Slime could stand on his own rather well, although quite stretching (no pun intended) the margin of what he can do, I feel that if we're going to have Slime... Why not have a little help from other DQ monsters?

Like, for example, have Dracky act as a "hand" to grab ítems such as a Beam sword. Have those mudhands be the "grab opponent" animation. Have a Madgopher be a downsmash, chimera being the Up+B, etc.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Luminary is the most blatant example of what I think bringing DQ to smash would represent IMO. The other picks can at least pretend to be due to it's history or because of it's legacy. Retro rep's; so to speak.

On this episode of OptimisticStrifer hates Dragon Quest, he disregards the legacy of a series that's been firmly established and uses apostrophes and semi-colons incorrectly. More news at 11.

Just saying that if Joker can represent the legacy of Shin Megami Tensei, Luminary could represent the legacy of Dragon Quest in the same way.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

The Phoenix Wright Trilogy is 1:1 with 3DS.

Actually, the 3DS version looks better and has then slightly touched up and functioning better than the god awful IOS trilogy. *shudder*

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

As LTP said, there are times where the mascot hasn’t been chosen when it comes to new franchises as seen with Moogle and Jack Frost.

Slime are in a similar situation where, although they are popular and became faces of the series, aren’t overall important to the overall series. Slime is just a generic enemy in the grand scheme of things that SE was able to market well.

Now compare that to Erdrick, who was the main protagonist of a game’s whose lore went to be a part of multiple games in the series and even most recently DQ11, and Erdrick has become sort of like the Cloud of DQ where he is essentially the Protagonist to represent the series.

And Erdrick doesn’t fail in what his moveset could be. Since he is apart of the Hero Class (or something like that), he has a wide variety of spells, weapons, and types of attacks to use that can make him unqiue. (And I believe he was to introduce the concept, but I have to learn more).

In my opinion, I think Erdrick has the upper hand on why he would be chosen to be playable from DQ. Erdrick is more important than the series compared to Slime, and can have a unique moveset due to his class that gives him access to all sorts of abilities. Slime is a mascot and has become synonymous with the series, but aside from that and maybe a moveset that they can bring, that’s where it really ends.

At least that’s how I see it.

Slime is the one in spin-offs, get his own series alone, is the main partner in the Dragon Quest Monsters games too. He's the Pikachu of the series is is still very important. Calling him just a mook is incorrect. Simple Mooks like that also aren't gaming icons who are everywhere(you do not see Moogle nor Chocobo on the cover of most games, nor are they close to the level Slime is at as a gaming icon by any means). Let's not forget that Slime also is pretty important to gaming as it pretty much is what created the style of slime monsters that tons of games use. It influenced tons of gaming on its own merits. Erdrick didn't in the same way as the general hero of DQ1 did, mind you. Erdrick isn't too comparable to Cloud in the same way. He's just not as known as Cloud is to FF. He's actually more like what Moogle and Chocobo are. Absolutely have importance, no denying that. But also don't stand up to the actual bigger gun in the longrun.

Erdrick is a bit overrated importance once. Does Erdrick or any Hero have their own spin-offs? Are they often in spin-offs either? Most of these characters in any spin-offs starring DQ characters are still the big Monsters, because they also are extremely influential in RPG's as well. A lot of those monsters see re-use in some way because they're important too. Reality is, Dragon Quest is about spells, equipment, items,, heroes, lore, and monsters. They all are very important to what makes the game iconic. Not just one part of it.

Also, he's not really correct about the mascot thing. Shin Megami Tensei and Persona are different related series. Jack Frost is the mascot of one. Cloud is considered the real mascot for the series because he's the big gun. Being the animal doesn't make you the mascot alone. Chocobo nor Moogle are really specifically mascots so much as more like secondary Mascots to Cloud in general. They aren't on his level by any means.

I mean, lore being irrelevant or not, Erdrick himself left such a mark on Dragon Quest's world, that the Series will be either the "DQ" logo like FF or straight up Erdrick's insigna.
You can't compare him to final fantasy, where each games are another complete deal without any connection or at best easter eggs between each game.
Erdrick though? He's the red string in the DQ World.

I absolutely can. Erdrick isn't any more the red string than the monsters are. The lore does not get translated to Smash at all. There's no way to do so. Lore only could matter with Trophies. Guess what's not there. As I just said above, Dragon Quest has influence in gaming not because of Erdrick, but because of the basic Hero Class, The Spells, The Items, The Equipment, The Monsters, and The Lore. All matter and what influences video games. Take away any of those and it's vastly inaccurate.

Basically, Dragon Quest is not about Slime. In the main series, Slime is mostly nothing but a random enemy encounter. He may be the mascot, but DQ is actually about the Heroes, their party members, and the adventures they go on. If someone were to try and accurately represent DQ in a game like Smash, Erdrick does a far better job at capturing the spirit of DQ and what the main games are about. It also helps that Erdrick is one of the most iconic figures in the series, but has the benefit of being an actual character and the protagonist of what is probably DQ's most important game.

I don't dislike Slime, but it just doesn't represent the main series and what the games are actually about by itself. It'd do well to represent the monsters, but it could do that just fine being in DQ's stage or whatever else. I just don't think it makes much sense being DQ's only playable rep, but that's just me.

I hope this didn't come off as rude, and I apologize if it did. I respect your opinion and would be happy for you if Slime actually got in.

It's not about Erdrick either. It's not about one little thing. Honestly, the lore just doesn't translate to Smash. You need way more than that. Slime isn't just the mascot but a huge representation of the series too because yes, it does matter. A lot. The game is meaningless without monsters. The adventures mean nothing without the antagonists or who they face in general. The spells matter too. The items and equipment are extremely important to the accuracy just as much. You can translate everything but lore to Smash these days. What that means? Remove the lore, see how you can translate the entire series well and represent the franchise. And then you realize Edrick and Slime are on 100% equal grounds in doing that. You can also cannot represent the party members in Smash very well either in gameplay. Either they're spirits or final smashes. The hero, whoever may be chosen, can't even properly have alts of other heroes due to too many different designs. Erdrick somewhat decently represents it, but he can't bring all you ask. Not any better than Slime can. Slime can do everything he can but have equipment, that is actually relevant. People need to stop acting like the lore will matter. It won't. You can't represent lore through the spirits any better regardless of the playable choice. It doesn't work that way. As long as Trophies are gone, things like party members and lore are pretty worthless in trying to represent correctly. And for the record, DQ wasn't about party members in the first place. That didn't matter. It was all 1-on-1. That's a newer thing that isn't what made DQ take the world by storm anyway. What actually made it matter is that it took the style of DnD and translated it into a game with sprites and pictures, but it also capitalized on every important aspect of DQ. Saying the monsters aren't important(which is beyond ridiculous) is completely taking away why people cared about it. Everything mattered. Every. Little. Thing.

 

[Luigi The President]

All I'm saying is Geno is indisputably the most iconic SMRPG original character so he wouldn't have this problem

 

[Deleted member]

All I'm saying is Geno is indisputably the most iconic SMRPG original character so he wouldn't have this problem

Mallow is close, imo.

 

[Luigi The President]

Mallow is close, imo.

L. Literally how.
I like Mallow but...no

 

[Deleted member]

All I'm saying is Geno is indisputably the most iconic SMRPG original character so he wouldn't have this problem

Ahem... I think you forgot someone

Spoiler

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

All I'm saying is Geno is indisputably the most iconic SMRPG original character so he wouldn't have this problem

That's true.

That said, Erdrick or Slime should definitely show up in the other one's Victory Screens. They're both iconic and important to DQ as is. Leaving one out is hearsay, really.

 

[Deleted member]

L. Literally how.
I like Mallow but...no

Mallow has a bigger impact on the plot, at least as far as i got in the game at the moment.

 

[Luigi The President]

Mallow has a bigger impact on the plot, at least as far as i got in the game at the moment.

I don't know about that. Geno helps drive the plot quite a bit. Mallow and Geno are both important to the plot.
But that absolutely does not matter in terms of iconicness or how loved they are.
Geno is indisputably far more iconic and loved then Mallow, mostly due to his over a decade of Smash advocation.
...though I do love the tadpole boy.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't know about that. Geno helps drive the plot quite a bit. Mallow and Geno are both important to the plot.
But that absolutely does not matter in terms of iconicness or how loved they are.
Geno is indisputably far more iconic and loved then Mallow, mostly due to his over a decade of Smash advocation.
...though I do love the tadpole boy.

It's alright.

I agree that Geno is more popular in regards to Smash, doh.