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[SPOILER ALERT] - The Sevens Squares. - A Square-Enix general support threads.

Who do you think is the most likely possible Square-Enix Newcomer? (Two Choices possibles)


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perfectchaos83

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And that’s as far as it goes tbh. Can Luminary even work as an alternate for Erdrick though?
Yes he can. Everything Erdrick can do, the Luminary can also do. Though, the Luminary DOES do some things that Erdrick can't. Quadraslash being one such thing.
 
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A question to you guys:
Trying to use the info we have and slight speculation, what would be the S-E rep if Erdrick wasn't the S-E rep in the end?
My wish would be Hero from Dragon Quest 8.

But i see either Sora, Sephiroth, Slime or Geno as more likely picks.
 
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A little personal fact.

It's thanks to Bowser's inside story that I became such a fan of DQ.

I was burnt out of jRPGs, when I felt like giving that game a go, in order to complete the M&L Trilogy (at that point).
I loved it SO MUCH. That it single handedly reinvigorated my love for the genre. Permanently I think. I even gave FF3 (nes/DS) one of my least favorites in the series, another chance. And I finished it, becoming one of my favorites.

So yeah. Really cool game. And using Bowser was my favorite part of the whole game. And I usually don't do villains, but now I appreciate them as well.
I really wish the remake was for the Switch instead of the 3DS. I still need to play the original though
 

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A question to you guys:
Trying to use the info we have and slight speculation, what would be the S-E rep if Erdrick wasn't the S-E rep in the end?
Quite frankly?
As much as I think he isn't our rep?

Geno.
Still by far the easiest to nab for a character spot compared to all the others.
Still has prominent Nintendo history.
Is easily the most requested for Smash overall on the list of the 7.
He's in a very weird space where some leakers think he may be out of the running but others still sometimes hear his name.

I'm sure I'm biased, though.
 

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You would think if they would work as an Echo they'd work as an alt costume
I mean they could... but they didn’t with Richter and they made him seperate and gave him some cosmetic differences like different taunts, poses, etc.

But it’s less that, and more on how similar Luminary and Erdrick are to one another. I don’t know, it seems off when you have
potentially FOUR seperate characters all in one spot and the female variants and Alunicia as well.

EDIT: I know Bowser Jr. is a thing, but I kinda give them a pass since they are the KOOPALINGS and they all have somethings in common to consider it. Where as Alunica and Luminary are totally seperate.
 
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A question to you guys:
Trying to use the info we have and slight speculation, what would be the S-E rep if Erdrick wasn't the S-E rep in the end?
Does Luminary count? If so, them. If not, I'd lean towards Geno (hope my bias isn't showing) and then Sephiroth.

I feel that after over a decade of people like Fatmanonice not breaking stride and campaigning for Geno (enough that Sakurai noticed) then it'd be genuinely fantastic to see him back in the spotlight. I see him as more likely due to bias and lack of rights issues. Sephiroth falls under those categories but the FF composer is on hiatus currently and isn't as requested as Geno to my knowledge.
 
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Quite frankly?
As much as I think he isn't our rep?

Geno.
Still by far the easiest to nab for a character spot compared to all the others.
Still has prominent Nintendo history.
Is easily the most requested for Smash overall on the list of the 7.
He's in a very weird space where some leakers think he may be out of the running but others still sometimes hear his name.

I'm sure I'm biased, though.
Honestly, as much as I doubt we'll get a second Square rep this pass, if we did, I could only ever see it being Geno because of how easy it'd be to get him, should Square allow it. It also makes his chances so insanely high for misc. DLC or a second season, if such a thing comes to pass, but that's all very hypothetical.

And that is my very biased post for the day. :dr^_^:
 
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A question to you guys:
Trying to use the info we have and slight speculation, what would be the S-E rep if Erdrick wasn't the S-E rep in the end?
Either Geno or Sora (look at me giving non-answers). Sora because he’s such a huge name and get that it would make sense if they really wanna sell the DLC, or Geno cause his rights would likely be easy to get and he’s a big fan-favourite that would be fitting after dropping a bombshell character like The Joker.
 

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Either Geno or Sora (look at me giving non-answers). Sora because he’s such a huge name and get that it would make sense if they really wanna sell the DLC, or Geno cause his rights would likely be easy to get and he’s a big fan-favourite that would be fitting after dropping a bombshell character like The Joker.
Geno is definitely one of the biggest fan-favorites remaining, and-
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You're exhausting me, my dude.

1: I wasn't necessarily suggesting that the monsters be stage hazards, but rather background elements you see walking and whatnot. Sure some of them could hop out and attack you, but the point is that you face these monsters along your journey, so having them represented within DQ's stage just makes the most sense for their roles in actual DQ games. They're monsters that roam dungeons and overworlds, so seeing them in the stage would actually be pretty cool.
Too inaccurate. They rarely appear outside of bosses. The normal Monsters make only sense as some kind of summon or appearing in things like Taunts.

2: There are plenty of ways. The monsters could be spirits, Slime could be DQ's symbol, they can appear in the stage, maybe Slime could appear in Erdrick's moveset in someway (I don't like this idea, but whatever), maybe Slime could be in one of Erdrick's victories or taunts, etc. They don't have to be playable to be represented.
I mentioned the taunts. I could say the same thing as Erdrick. He could make just as much sense. That's the point I'm making. Slime does all that stuff very accurately and all the other Heroes and Monsters work fine. You haven't shown why Erdrick or any Hero legitimate outshines Slime at all for a single crossover choice. You also still ignore the point that was made. The reason why Link worked is because he's the mascot of the Zelda series, not because he was the Hero. This is why Mario was chosen, not just because he was the Hero, but the Mascot. So far, the Mascot has actually been more important.

3: Are you seriously telling me that Link is the best choice to represent the Zelda series with? If we could only get one Zelda character in Smash, would Link not be the one best suited for the role? The heroes of DQ are like what Link is to the Zelda series; the main heroes that we play as in every game. Erdrick represents the heroes the best, so he should be the one to represent DQ in terms of being a playable character, in my opinion. Especially since we can only get one playable rep at this time.
I... think you need to read your paragraph a bit more. Sure, but I would not dare to represent it with Link alone. But again, Pokemon proves it wrong that the generic hero is not actually always the best option. And sad to say, Erdrick is kind of meant to be generic. That's actually the point of the heroes. They aren't meant to be major stand-outs, just have enough of a strong design to feel like a hero. Besides that, Link in the series Mascot too. Not just the hero. Most of the time, the heroes are also the mascots. DQ isn't the same way. Slime is still the de facto mascot of the series as a whole. Erdrick absolutely is doing better than he used to be, where he wasn't nearly as known. But he isn't the actual series mascot either. He's just the most known hero. Both Slime and Erdrick have tons of gaming legacy. The problem with Erdrick is the legacy is pretty much not very known worldwide and doesn't really have much better legacy than the first game's hero when it comes to impact RPG's in the way DQ1 did. Slime meanwhile absolutely impacted RPG's to come. The bots in the Zelda series? Slime. They've been in rpg's to come. They aren't just a mook, they're the most well known monster in gaming history. The particular Slime managed to get its own spin-off series, and take the role as the PIkachu of the series as a whole more than once. That's why he's definitely a strong choice.

4: As for the rest, you literally claimed that the heroes are never used in spin-offs. I was just showing you that they were.
I never made that claim. I asked if they had spin-off presence. Huge difference. Because I didn't know. You need to really read closer. I also noticed you made some typos on your explanation of Link. I knew what you meant "Would you really choose someone other than him", instead of what you said.

The heroes don't need their own spin-offs, their games are the main series games.
To stand out compared to any other hero? They kind of do. There's no reason to choose Erdrick over any other if they all stand out pretty much the same in itself. The only reason Erdrick is even chose is because he's the only one heavily known overseas. That's all he has that separates him from the other heroes, who are all meant to be similar. Which is logical, cause that how Toriyama wants it. It's why the heroes of the DB series are very similar designs to Goku. It makes sense.

The video was just showing the hero of DQ1 making an appearance in a spin-off game called "Dragon Quest Rivals". That was all.
So... an eh thing. I don't see how any Hero stands out from the other then. Sounds like they're all pretty much equal. But I know you can't choose tons of alts due to too many different designs, so Erdrick was kind of the only option. Though let's be frank, the point of the hero was to be a mostly generic player avatar in DQ. It even had the bonus of giving you different builds based upon your name. LIke, there's no denying Erdrick is the most known, but the series' mascot he is not.

Every single character was also the mascot of their particular game being represented when added. It didn't matter if they were the main playable character or not. Link, Mario, Pikachu, etc. They were the mascots of their franchise too. Joker is the mascot of Persona 5. Now, I could see Erdrick in as the mascot of Dragon Quest 3. That can absolutely happen. But that's the only game he's the strict mascot of. So it depends if Sakurai wants "mascot of the series" or not. In which case, Slime definitely wins without a doubt.

But the Pokémon ARE the important aspects, it’s even the series namesake.
That's irrelevant. The mascots have always gotten in before the playable character. If a playable character is the mascot, then they get in. This is why Pokemon Trainer didn't come in till Brawl. Same difference. Link got in not because he was the hero, but because he's the de facto mascot of the Zelda series. Cloud is the actual FFVII mascot at that point. I could go on, but it was always the mascot first and foremost. If a player character gets in, they're either the strict mascot of the series or the mascot of their particular game.

This isn’t the case with DQ. This time, the Heroes and party members are the main focus, not the creatures.
This isn't really true either. There weren't party members at first. That's a later thing when the series involved. It's a misinterpretation of the game that actually influenced tons of games to come. It's why tons of RPG's don't care about party members, but care about the player character being key. And them gaining equipment, items, levels, some kind of actual ability/skill/magic, and fighting creatures. Every single aspect is what mattered. Well, story too, sometimes, when it exists. They're all extremely important to what makes an rpg an rpg. This focus doesn't really exist in the way you think it does. If only party members matters, why did they add tons of rpg's that only star one character? That's clearly not the case and just an option that some games have. Party members is not a key rpg criteria. Never was, never will be. Hell, equipment isn't either. Items and skills/abilities/magic, as well as the main playable character, some kind of story, and the enemies they fight are what makes an rpg an rpg. Level ups can vary, though.

Tbh, I see a lot of flaws with your arguements on why Slime is on the same level as Erdrick. You can argue about how the lore doesn’t matter in Smash, but it doesn’t change the fact that series protagonists were always chosen in Smash because the lore and stories told in games shape them up to be the important aspects in the first place, and in the case of Pokémon, the main character was a slateless avatar to insert yourself since the game is mainly about the experiences you have with the Pokémon you meet and it’s centered around them.
Lol, no. They were also the mascots first and foremost. Story didn't really ever transfer over to Smash at all. There was no reason to. All-Stars is about the character's recognizabilities. The Mascots. This is why they got in first and foremost. Every single one was the mascot of the series or their own game. There is no exceptions to that at all. You can't find one. The first of the series was the original mascot in some way.

You bring up spin offs and how Slime appears constantly in all the games, but that’s simply because Slime is a common enemy that was marketable due to it’s cutesy aesthetic for it be a mascot. And even then the DQ cast does appear in a lot of spin offs as well so that isn’t unqiue solely to Slime.
And this is why he's the mascot. He's the most marketable and recognizable, never mind has been part of the logo for centuries to come. You aren't going to easily market someone who didn't even appear yet. Erdrick is very important to the story, but you don't have a story if you don't have the monsters, so they will always matter.

To be honest, I really doubt Slime was something Sakurai considered for DQ. If anything, it’s the Heroes he would’ve looked at since they are what are central to the games, and Erdrick is the biggest over all the others and would most likely be the one chosen. If anything, I honestly think Sakurai and his team would’ve wanted to work on Erdrick more than Slime.
I don't see this as remotely true. Otherwise they would've never chosen Pikachu over Pokemon Trainer. They would've had him still in the game, even if it was him controlling Pikachu. They chose the mascot, even if they're not the player character, because they are the most known in the franchise. In some cases, the mascot is the player character, or a mascot of a particular game. Erdrick is not the mascot of anything but DQ3 proper. If he wants to hard represent the game, that makes sense. However, that game is very hard to find worldwide due to SE not translating a lot of games. People know the first two games the most. It makes more sense to use the most recognize hero worldwide, which is Erdrick's Descendant, if you want to stick with just the whole player protagonist thing on itself. That's the one people know more. He's not a literal who for many. He's more accurately the Marth of the series in some ways. The first real protagonist we ever meet. The one that showed up worldwide and influenced tons of games to come. Erdrick is awesome, but he wasn't the one that impacted games to come. His impact is not much outside of DQ in itself. He deserves credit for that, but when it comes to gaming history, it should be someone from the first game, since that's the one that mattered the most. It's part of why I want Slime, since he's the de facto character from the first game that had the most influence... and actually had an official name. I still find it weird that there is no name proper for Erdrick's Descendant, but here we are.
 

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You don't see this in the games. You see NPC's. Monsters aren't about appearing randomly in stages. They're summons. AT's I could see make some sense to represent them correctly. But they're awful as Stage Hazards alone. Not actual main series bosses make sense like Dragonlord. Or Dragon showing up if it's a Dungeon-place.
The Castlevania and Bayonetta stages both had random enemy appearances. They weren't even stage hazards either. We also have a Mario stage that has normal enemy hazards that work fine. And if we count the smash series as a whole, we also have the 3DS Pac-man stage which also shows us what's possible with hazardous enemies.
 

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A question to you guys:
Trying to use the info we have and slight speculation, what would be the S-E rep if Erdrick wasn't the S-E rep in the end?
If it doesn't end up being a Dragon Quest character in the end of all of this, the only other characters I can see it being, especially if you want the "go big or go home angle," especially with the whole expect some unexpected fighters thing from Reggie, are Sora and Sephiroth. They are the ones from the list that would be crazy enough reveals, that most people would be on board with them. They are both popular and relevant enough for Square to want to put in, and they would definitely sell well on their even without promotion. The only other after them would be Geno, from this list those 3 are the ones I see, if it's not someone from Dragon Quest.
 
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If it doesn't end up being a Dragon Quest character in the end of all of this, the only other characters I can see it being, especially if you want the "go big or go home angle," especially with the whole expect some unexpected fighters thing from Reggie, are Sora and Sephiroth. They are the ones from the list that would be crazy enough reveals, that most people would be on board with them. They are both popular and relevant enough for Square to want to put in, and they would definitely sell well. The only other after them would be Geno, from this list those 3 are the ones I see, if it's not someone from Dragon Quest.
Cannot stop laughing because this is literally just the list except "**** Crono"
 

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The Castlevania and Bayonetta stages both had random enemy appearances. They weren't even stage hazards either. We also have a Mario stage that has normal enemy hazards that work fine. And if we count the smash series as a whole, we also have the 3DS Pac-man stage which also shows us what's possible with hazardous enemies.
Those series aren't also about an influential RPG where it had a pretty set way of doing things. It's not the same thing. The monsters and how they appeared in the game are a huge part of what makes the game work. It's also why we have Random Encounters. So it's a lot more important to be accurate here because it's part of what they gave to gaming history.

That said, RNG encounters within the stage could be interesting. But I honestly think it makes way more sense that monsters don't randomly appear. It's not really how the game works and is honestly inaccurate. Cameos should not be for the sake of it. They should be faithful as much as possible. There's a ton of bosses(and a tiny slew of mini-bosses, or elite mooks if you will) that have on-world sprites that make way more sense than just enemies in general. They already work fine and represent it accurately. That's why AT's and Spirits exist. We can put the rest in there, where they would be more faithful.

...Casltevania monsters appear on stages all the time, though? I can't speak on Bayonetta, but when is that game about random encounters? Cause that was the point. AT's represent the random encounter aspect that's integral to DQ's gameplay better than just any old stage hazard.
 
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What's the general consensus on PP getting a stage? Yes or no?
They would have shown it off in his reveal trailer if he had one. We might get some mario music though, or the original Underground theme that isn’t accessible for some reason.
 
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If it was up to me, I'd choose Slime over any other DQ character without a second thought. Sakurai has always insisted on prioritizing playable characters first(even when they're not the protagonist, such as Pikachu, they're still a "main" playable character and this is how it has been with all new franchises), however, it's not him making the calls this time. It all just boils down to who Nintendo thinks is more profitable.
Maybe I'm just hopeful for a good ol' Slime but part of me believes Nintendo would see an iconic enemy as a more marketable and recognizable symbol for the franchise.
god i really like slime datta, huh
On that note I am totally naming my Joker amiibo "RISE UP". Anyone have any other good amiibo nicknames?
Name your Piranha Plant "Peepee"
 

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Too inaccurate. They rarely appear outside of bosses. The normal Monsters make only sense as some kind of summon or appearing in things like Taunts.


I mentioned the taunts. I could say the same thing as Erdrick. He could make just as much sense. That's the point I'm making. Slime does all that stuff very accurately and all the other Heroes and Monsters work fine. You haven't shown why Erdrick or any Hero legitimate outshines Slime at all for a single crossover choice. You also still ignore the point that was made. The reason why Link worked is because he's the mascot of the Zelda series, not because he was the Hero. This is why Mario was chosen, not just because he was the Hero, but the Mascot. So far, the Mascot has actually been more important.


I... think you need to read your paragraph a bit more. Sure, but I would not dare to represent it with Link alone. But again, Pokemon proves it wrong that the generic hero is not actually always the best option. And sad to say, Erdrick is kind of meant to be generic. That's actually the point of the heroes. They aren't meant to be major stand-outs, just have enough of a strong design to feel like a hero. Besides that, Link in the series Mascot too. Not just the hero. Most of the time, the heroes are also the mascots. DQ isn't the same way. Slime is still the de facto mascot of the series as a whole. Erdrick absolutely is doing better than he used to be, where he wasn't nearly as known. But he isn't the actual series mascot either. He's just the most known hero. Both Slime and Erdrick have tons of gaming legacy. The problem with Erdrick is the legacy is pretty much not very known worldwide and doesn't really have much better legacy than the first game's hero when it comes to impact RPG's in the way DQ1 did. Slime meanwhile absolutely impacted RPG's to come. The bots in the Zelda series? Slime. They've been in rpg's to come. They aren't just a mook, they're the most well known monster in gaming history. The particular Slime managed to get its own spin-off series, and take the role as the PIkachu of the series as a whole more than once. That's why he's definitely a strong choice.


I never made that claim. I asked if they had spin-off presence. Huge difference. Because I didn't know. You need to really read closer. I also noticed you made some typos on your explanation of Link. I knew what you meant "Would you really choose someone other than him", instead of what you said.


To stand out compared to any other hero? They kind of do. There's no reason to choose Erdrick over any other if they all stand out pretty much the same in itself. The only reason Erdrick is even chose is because he's the only one heavily known overseas. That's all he has that separates him from the other heroes, who are all meant to be similar. Which is logical, cause that how Toriyama wants it. It's why the heroes of the DB series are very similar designs to Goku. It makes sense.


So... an eh thing. I don't see how any Hero stands out from the other then. Sounds like they're all pretty much equal. But I know you can't choose tons of alts due to too many different designs, so Erdrick was kind of the only option. Though let's be frank, the point of the hero was to be a mostly generic player avatar in DQ. It even had the bonus of giving you different builds based upon your name. LIke, there's no denying Erdrick is the most known, but the series' mascot he is not.

Every single character was also the mascot of their particular game being represented when added. It didn't matter if they were the main playable character or not. Link, Mario, Pikachu, etc. They were the mascots of their franchise too. Joker is the mascot of Persona 5. Now, I could see Erdrick in as the mascot of Dragon Quest 3. That can absolutely happen. But that's the only game he's the strict mascot of. So it depends if Sakurai wants "mascot of the series" or not. In which case, Slime definitely wins without a doubt.


That's irrelevant. The mascots have always gotten in before the playable character. If a playable character is the mascot, then they get in. This is why Pokemon Trainer didn't come in till Brawl. Same difference. Link got in not because he was the hero, but because he's the de facto mascot of the Zelda series. Cloud is the actual FFVII mascot at that point. I could go on, but it was always the mascot first and foremost. If a player character gets in, they're either the strict mascot of the series or the mascot of their particular game.


This isn't really true either. There weren't party members at first. That's a later thing when the series involved. It's a misinterpretation of the game that actually influenced tons of games to come. It's why tons of RPG's don't care about party members, but care about the player character being key. And them gaining equipment, items, levels, some kind of actual ability/skill/magic, and fighting creatures. Every single aspect is what mattered. Well, story too, sometimes, when it exists. They're all extremely important to what makes an rpg an rpg. This focus doesn't really exist in the way you think it does. If only party members matters, why did they add tons of rpg's that only star one character? That's clearly not the case and just an option that some games have. Party members is not a key rpg criteria. Never was, never will be. Hell, equipment isn't either. Items and skills/abilities/magic, as well as the main playable character, some kind of story, and the enemies they fight are what makes an rpg an rpg. Level ups can vary, though.
This post is soooooo long, my dude. I don't feel like reading through any of this nonsense anymore. Have you ever seen DQ11 or the 3DS remakes of DQ7 and DQ8? You can see the monsters roaming the world. They would work great being in the background of DQ's stage.

Like Ness represented Earthbound/Mother as the series' first playable character, I think Erdrick should do that for DQ. He's the favorite and most iconic hero in the series, it just makes sense. You don't have to agree, and you clearly don't, but I'm not going to drag this on with you. I have things that I want to do today.

Also, I'm writing pretty fast, so please forgive me if my wording is a little messed up. People make mistakes.

I think Erdrick is the best DQ rep. You think Slime is the best DQ rep. We're not going to agree on this, so let's just drop it here, please.
 
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I just made a breakthrough. Piranha plant, or PP, is our first DLC character right? Well if we’re getting PP, we need PooPoo to go along with it. Guess what Square character on the list happens to look like literal ****. Yeah, I’m thinking SLIME’S IN BABY.
 

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I just made a breakthrough. Piranha plant, or PP, is our first DLC character right? Well if we’re getting PP, we need PooPoo to go along with it. Guess what Square character on the list happens to look like literal ****. Yeah, I’m thinking SLIME’S IN BABY.
Great Mighty Poo from Conker confirmed?!?!?!?!?
 

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Cannot stop laughing because this is literally just the list except "**** Crono"
I did say earlier in this thread, that I like Chrono Trigger the game, I just don't like the protagonist himself. If I had pick someone from Chrono Trigger it would really be Lucca. Alas, Smash don't go for side characters for third parties to start with.
 

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DaybreakHorizon DaybreakHorizon I understand you don't like me; but must you be so nitpicky? It really serves nothing to the conversation but to seemingly try to rile me up; and that's already hard enough to prevent as it is. Don't do it for me; do it for the rest of the thread. Please?
I believe at one point you called myself or another out for "concern trolling," defined as:
the action or practice of disingenuously expressing concern about an issue in order to undermine or derail genuine discussion.
That seems to be what you're doing, yes? Especially because you completely ignored my main point. Other users have pointed out the hypocrisy in statement better than I can, but I find it funny that when you bash others it's okay, but when I correct you (not even bashing) it's a concern for the entire thread. I only give the respect that is given to me; You disrespect the users in this thread, and you can expect similar treatment from me.

Look, I'm sorry if I riled you up. That's never my intent, but I'm acting the same as ever; you're not the only person I've corrected, nor will you ever be. I don't have any sort of grudge against you or anything like that. I don't really have time for that. You're far from the worst I've seen here, so I have no reason to go out of my way to go after you.
Well, it's funny to see you complain about a comment detailing something you have mistaken bc of your lack of knowledge of a particular series and fanbase (which is harmless in itself), when you've acted so much worse in this thread. The guy is not harrassing you. He is correcting you and arguing his point. People have the right to disagree and call you out on what they think might have been a misstep from your part.
Thank you MajoraMan28 MajoraMan28 for conveying my point here. Yes, I'm pedantic and I focus on small details, but it's the small stuff that matters. Improper grammar undermines what could be a serious point. For example, I have two sentences with different grammar:
Sakurai didn't say "its x, y, z," he said "its a, b, c."
Sakurai didn't say "it's x, y, z"; he said "it's a, b, c".
Same point, but one looks much better and is taken much more seriously. Using proper grammar, even in an informal setting such as this, is important.
A question to you guys:
Trying to use the info we have and slight speculation, what would be the S-E rep if Erdrick wasn't the S-E rep in the end?
I'd give it to Geno, Sora, or Neku.
  • Geno is Square Enix wants it easy
  • Sora if Square Enix wants to go above and beyond
  • Neku if Square Enix wants to take the middle road
Are the cops coming?
They're already here.

 
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