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Who also appears in tons of Dungeons you're in in most cases. That was my point. They fit the game series just fine. They aren't proof of anything.
I was just pointing out because you were arguing as if they were normal enemies. Don't really know what you two are arguing over but I guess it's kind of an OCD for me to see something I know isn't right and having to correct it. I'd bet there's a name for that but I wouldn't be aware of it.
Well, my bigger point was that the genre doesn't care much about that anyway. Enemies appear on stages all the time. Bosses or otherwise.
I think it depends on just what's more memorable. I mean, Slime is a common enemy but it's more well known than any other DQ boss.
It itself can't fill out the stage alone. Because it's most memorable, I feel an AT(if it's not playable) fits better. There's tons of other enemies and bosses alone that would work otherwise. The Mascot being a minor cameo seems silly. He's pretty much the most notable character in the series. Giving it a bigger role makes sense.
I know that but DLC won't get assists which is why Slime would certainly appear in a DQ stage if it had any cameos. I think mainly of the most recent 3rd Party stages who have all been full of cameos, even Midgar despite the known issues with Square.
We don't know that DLC won't get assists, actually. Slime being added separately is still possible. Not as part of that pack, but I don't see it not being in a bigger role. It's too important to reduce to a tiny stage cameo. It's probably going to be part of the taunts/victory screens then if Erdrick is in. It just sounds too small for the mascot. Midgar is kind of a different thing. It just has some known summons from FFVII, and one uses its FFVIII design(Ifrit). None of those summons are major characters or the de facto mascot of the series, so, they're easy cameos.
They're definitely not releasing new assist trophies.
There's nothing to suggest they aren't releasing new AT's. Sorry, but that's just a silly assumption.
I don't think it's too silly honestly
We also have no rules for DLC because we had one time. We also have quite a few cut AT's that probably will come back for DLC anyway(free most likely). The game was rushed. Some things weren't finished yet. We also had Mii costumes cut for no reason other than the possibility the 3rd parties want more on it.
I didn't say Spirits wouldn't be happening because they definitely are. They're just not gameplay representation.
LST unrelated but I've seen you mention that the game was rushed; whaddya mean by that?
That's a sentiment I've seen shared around due to some rough presentation such as all the character glitches and "missing" content.
I didn't even say it would be part of the Fighter Packs. I said it could happen separately, and it'd make sense.
Anybody who wants everything. People buy Mii costumes for the same reason. And other stuff separately. Throw in anything like that, and it will see sales. That said, possibly not as much as Mii costumes.
Just that. Ultimate is heavily rushed. It's really really buggy, full of glitches, has tons of stuff that needed to be removed to make the deadline. Spirits aren't just there because they can add more alone, it's because it was the only way to add tons of content. The game is only barely finished, and as the bugs show, has a lot of issues functioning properly at times. Some of the modes weren't cut just cause. They had no time. It's no coincidence that Robin's FS isn't changed. It's not just the fact it still works, but it's not like they remotely had time to change it up at all.
"A lot" and "certain" is a big statement.
DQ is known for random enemy encounters, but it doesn't make sense to use the Castlevania stage as an example despite the fact that the enemy encounters on that stage are random? It doesn't make sense for DQ monsters to randomly appear on a DQ stage despite the fact that it's what DQ enemies are known for?
You're basing the argument around what the series is known for and how it should be represented because of what it's known for. Whether it's FF or DQ, if the core of your argument is "They would or should do things this way because that's what the series s known for/ That's the standard this RPG series set", then it's exactly like that point.
What was the point here? When you say stages, did you mean that Smash stage or the levels from their game? I hope you meant the levels from their games since that would justify the statement, kinda. Not really. Not after bringing up RPGs or action games. Not after saying that it would make sense not to fight the cameo monsters in Smash despite the fact that you fight those monsters in Castlevania. Not after saying that it wouldn't make sense to have DQ enemies become harmless cameos on a DQ stage. And definitely not after understanding that Castlevania monsters are always on screen and yet these monsters just randomly appear as cameos.
Again, it's what you want to see vs. what would more likely happen... If it happens. Assuming we get a DQ rep at all. Heck for all we know, we might just end up with an un-eventful castle town or something of that nature. I don't know and I don't care, all I DO know is that Smash bros. has clear-cut examples of 3rd party stages having enemies harmlessly appearing in the background and that the same could easily happen to a Dragon Quest stage, and that would still count as properly representing the series.
Vergeben is apparently leaning towards Erdrick like everyone else.
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Zubat related PTSD is very common with Gen I players... it creates a high level of anxiety and anger towards random encounters in unrelated video games...
Well except for this one 
Hmmmm Interesting. What a wild ride this Square Rep has been. Going from 'Who knows' to 'There were 7 being heard of!?' 'Yo I could see Crono' 'Its between Sephiroth and Geno' 'Wait, that was a troll!' 'Oh its Erdrick!? Cool?' 'Wait Joker is not player ready?' 'That leak is dead!?'
It's mentally exhausting is what it is haha.
Yeeeeah I get ya Madam Prez.
Nekoo
I would welcome any Square Rep with open arms.
...Because that's not what they're known for. No, bosses are known for being visible in the castles. Honestly, I don't think you're reading what I actually mean here whatsoever.
No, that's not what I mean. Are they known for showing up on the battlefield in Bayonetta as well? Because that's what I was confused by. I don't get the example because you didn't explain how it applies similarly in representing how the demons show up in Bayonetta itself.
I didn't realize that a FF game, which did not set up things to come, is the same as DQ, which did. No, doesn't work that way. You can't use examples and say they apply when they blatantly don't. FF isn't being represented that way nor has random enemies show up just for the sake of it. That's not what Midgar is. What happens is monster that are Summons only get Summoned. Just like the actual series. It's only an example if you're talking about being hard faithful.
Yeah, at this point you aren't even trying to understand the argument in any way.
I never once suggested it was the most likely to happen. Which is why that's not even remotely related to my argument. You can keep comparing them to other 3rd party stages, but that's an extreme generalization that ignores the actual argument being made and frankly doesn't explain why they chose them that way. Thus? I don't see the argument as valid because it doesn't do anything to invalidate why Bosses from DQ, who are important to the series respectively, don't make good stage hazards. You haven't given an actual reasoning why it wouldn't work at all. "It doesn't because other 3rd party stages don't do it" isn't real reasoning. Following patterns for the sake of it isn't a great idea. Besides that, all those stages work differently. Some strictly use bosses. Some strictly don't use either enemies or bosses. Some don't use either. They don't share the same narrative for the 3rd party stages. The cameos they have all vary because tons of thought was put into it.
This is how I felt catching up lol.
Eh, it's more like it picks a game with the most popular mascot instead. It doesn't just pick protagonists in general. Every single one that is the first representative of the series is a mascot of the series or its own game. This is why they should never pick protagonists for the sake of it. They need to be important characters to represent their series well. The mascot has always made sure of that.
Joker is...not really the mascot.
Of P5 or Persona in general? Cause there's a difference in that.
I feel like Joker is more of a mascot than Yu is. While Persona 5 has less sales it has only been out for 2 years and it has almost outsold Persona 4 (original) and P4G altogether. Persona 4 has been out for 10 years and persona 5 pretty much took the throne in 2 years.
Persona. P5, yea, indisputably the mascot but not the series.
Well there ya go
You might've missed some of my message then. I said the first character has always been the mascot of the series or of their own game.
Favorite game in the entire M&L franchise and a game I hope they take some cues from in terms of characters for the upcoming Mario movie that Illumination does
Stated before that I find Sephiroth most likely and I stand by it. I think it's too many cooks in the kitchen and one snobby one (Akira Toriyama said to be a "my creation takes front and center.. and with several things proving towards it and nothing that really disprove that rumor I'm firm to believe that) at that for Dragon Quest to happen so easily as some claims. Sephiroth biggest hurdles unless I've missed anything is a sick composer which shouldn't be that hard to work with. I would have said, Geno if it wasn't for that Spirit he had which makes me a sceptic of his chances no matter who the Square characters....
In every case, the protagonist of that game is also the mascot of the series or game in question.
