Sonic The Hedgehog: Community Matchup thread

[Col. Stauffenberg]

kinzer i wouldnt really suggest going to the lucario irc, they REALLY dont like sonic in there and wont be of any help. hence that silly pic with lucario + sonic high five'ing, it annoys them

*I* like you.

****it DJ, stop posting lol.

Lucario boards are conceited.

They think they're better than everyone else.

No.

*Walks back out*

 

[Kinzer]

I knew it, Cat you're awful.

Also Sonic boards, report to the Steak Break Room, we have something that needs to be attended too...

 

[ShadowLink84]

I left the SBR so meh.
I would like to go into the lucaro IRC and speak with them. Its rather disgusting how little input we have been receiving .

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

Well a lot of Sonic's pissed them off. I approached them asking for help. They don't want to put up with our bull****.

 

[ShadowLink84]

Well a lot of Sonic's pissed them off. I approached them asking for help. They don't want to put up with our bull****.

Not our problem if they get pissed off.
If they cannot give us the necessary input so that we acan have a solid ratio, then simply leave the match at 50-5- until they do.

 

[phi1ny3]

Well a lot of Sonic's pissed them off. I approached them asking for help. They don't want to put up with our bull****.

lol, when did that happen? I remember a lot of contempt for sonic boards, but not specifically flaming, though they might do that on IRC, they will hardly do that on SWF.

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

Umm... a topic on the Lucario boards was talking about the Sonic matchup. Then a few Sonic's busted in saying it was even. Then Samuelson made a topic HERE that descended into flaming. Over food memes. >.>

I <3 you guys though. ^_^

If you mean when did I APPROACH you guys it was in the IRC chat. I got a lot of.... negative feedback about the Sonic boards in general. Although me, DJ and a couple of Lucario's are sick of the crap.

 

[phi1ny3]

Umm... a topic on the Lucario boards was talking about the Sonic matchup. Then a few Sonic's busted in saying it was even. Then Samuelson made a topic HERE that descended into flaming. Over food memes. >.>

I <3 you guys though. ^_^

If you mean when did I APPROACH you guys it was in the IRC chat. I got a lot of.... negative feedback about the Sonic boards in general. Although me, DJ and a couple of Lucario's are sick of the crap.

Several of our congregation hath violated the order of lucario. We must bringeth them thither into penitence, and correct them of flaming, for it sayeth in the order, "thou shall not flame, for thoe belonging to the flaming-pawed one have flame enough."

 

[ShadowLink84]

Several of our congregation hath violated the order of lucario. We must bringeth them thither into penitence, and correct them of flaming, for it sayeth in the order, "thou shall not flame, for thoe belonging to the flaming-pawed one have flame enough."

*gives you steak*
This won the day.

 

[Chis]

I realized somthing

I really need more info if I'm expected to complete this.

Pit - Character Matchup 24

Introduction

He's gay.

A character with a bad reputation attached to him due to his common use one wifi. Spamage. Arrows, mirror like shield, forward B, forward smash. He's a spam machine casual gamers...

Behaviour:

watch out for arrow loops and wingdashing,

and if he knocks you off and up bs on the stage, than slides across the stage and than flys out to try and hit you, he can use his wings again in the air, its sexy as hell.

It sucks hard when you lose your momentum if the Pit player happens to get lucky or something... because once they do, it takes sometime to get back the momemtum, and that's assuming it's a training dummy, usually Pit is going to start to gain the momentum.

More information guys...

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Commonly Used Moves:

Arrows

Sonic's Spin dash roll travels under Pit's arrows. However don't relie on it since a down tilted arrow should be able to reach you in 1/4 of Final destination or less. How ever, it they miss, you're free to tak e advantage of the lag with a free spin roll combo

Nair

More information guys...

:/

Down tilt

Normal used as a combo stater and a shield poker. Tilt your shield diagonally towards and below him.

I variate everything, you use ur B moves to make people guess what you may do,where you might go, i might Wingdash and change up my movement, and either move up or back off, using an arrows or F-tilt or something...
At 1st i thought Pits Dair was useless but it is a good combo starter for getting someone off the ground into the air, Some of his attacks may seem uselss but its just something you have to adjust to...

How to Win:

More information guys...

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Recommended Stages:


More information guys...

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Matchup Summary:


50:50 Even

 

[ShadowLink84]

I thought we had a big discussion or am I mistaken?

 

[Kinzer]

Pit needs more Uair for Commonly used moves against Sonic.

He ain't got nothing to answer to it.

Just trying to help you Chis.

What about Lucario though? This thread has been dying as of late.

 

[Chis]

We have one more character to cover after this.

Sonic.

 

[Kinzer]

I believe all you have to do to beat yourself is just be the first to DTilt spam.

No seriously, don't even get me started on how complicated of a ditto match is to go over, and how it is much more important go over some other things.

I recall none of us implying that we are done with Lucario yet, am I right?

 

[Chis]

No Kinzer, we have to cover every character that you'll face in a tourny. And that includes Sonic.

 

[Kinzer]

Steak dittos?

My head already hurts... and I fear how we will have to argue amongst ourselves, saying things like how do we approach ourselves, asking how do we mindgame one who has the same tools as we do, and even going as far to analyze player-dependent attributes because things like CPing stages don't have any match determining attributes other than personal preference.

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

And I though Peach dittos were bad xD

At least you know it's 50:50

Seriously though, just talk about how you can counter certain moves with other moves. For example, talk about what Sonic can do to stop spindashes

I understand this will be hard since trying to factor punishment and trickery into match ups is horrible but do your best

 

[Kinzer]

Here ya go Rick.

If you want a surefire way of countering a direct SDR, use your own SDR, what either happens is the two clank, or you both get hit out of your SDRs.

I HATE ditto matches, the only reason I would say otherwise is because the other Sonic plays a fast-paced style.

You can't mindgame or be affected by mindgames if you know your own character (in this case, Sonic), because you should know what your own character is capable of and their own weaknesses to exploit, but the stupid thing is your opponent is essentially you and they will know that they have to mask their weaknesses. God I'm not even sure if I'm explaining this right!

It should be very hard to land hits, because both opponents are at the peak of their game, and they should know what part of certain moves connect and what their purpose is, so you can't be using the same moves you would use universally like you would in some other matches. Take for example Hyphened-USmashes... you should know how long you have to shield that move, and when to take advantage of Sonic's dead frames... however why would your opponent want to use this attack if he knows to expect you to fully shield his attack? He might just do something entirely different, which is at the same time discouraged because your opponent knows counters... and sometimes even counters to counters! Nothing is guaranteed in a ditto matchup, and nobody wants to make an attack because every move you make will put you at the disadvantegeous position!

Edit: we're on page 300... Dis... Iz... METAGAME!!!!!!!

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

You can't mindgame or be affected by mindgames if you know your own character (in this case, Sonic), because you should know what your own character is capable of and their own weaknesses to exploit, but the stupid thing is your opponent is essentially you and they will know that they have to mask their weaknesses. God I'm not even sure if I'm explaining this right!

You don't have to explain it right Tenki did that a while ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiEwmiPSmto

 

[ShadowLink84]

Sonic=100:0 No matter what you do, Sonic will win

 

[Browny]

what if they both start spamming dtilt?

 

[JayBee]

the the first one to realize that its stupid wins.
STRRRRRANGE ISN'T IT?!

 

[Sagen du Smash]

*sniff* I'm so proud of you guys ripping into Sagen for Bowser ignorance.

Okay okay can we move on? I do feel Bowser is underestimated, but I've almost never played against a really good Bowser. I'll go 50-50, but that's as far as I can see it going.

 

[phi1ny3]

Let's see, numbers for lucario? And I guess stages while we're at it?

 

[Tenki]

I don't trust any numbers as of late.

Interboard participation was at a low.

Lucario should be advantaged, but as to what point, I can't say.

 

[Chis]

50:50 or 55:45 Lucario or something like that.

 

[Browny]

:/

40:60 at best for sonic on a neutral imo

 

[phi1ny3]

:/

40:60 at best for sonic on a neutral imo

I agree with this guy, tho I will say that 60:40 is going to lean more typical than "at best", meaning I think sonic has a little more chance and that player skill is still largely part of this matchup.

 

[ShadowLink84]

:/

40:60 at best for sonic on a neutral imo

This.

@above poster Player skill is not a factor since we assume high evel paly, and that both characters are being played at the max of their potential.

 

[phi1ny3]

This.

@above poster Player skill is not a factor since we assume high evel paly, and that both characters are being played at the max of their potential.

But I'm saying that your chances of winning are more reliant on skill in this number more than character attributes, I'm not saying that this number is based on player skill, just what this number says.

 

[ShadowLink84]

Ah okay I understand now.

 

[iSpiN]

You need to update this, especially the matchup <.<

 

[Browny]

Well we would... if greenstreet ever decides to come here again

 

[iSpiN]

Well we would... if greenstreet ever decides to come here again

Eventual new thread?

 

[thecatinthehat]

ZOMG, iSpin's here!?!?

<3

nice entrance.

 

[iSpiN]

Aw tanks, but yeah, other sites are now quoting this thread and its making Sonic look like a douche.

 

[ShadowLink84]

Aw tanks, but yeah, other sites are now quoting this thread and its making Sonic look like a douche.

Not our problem that they aren't dealing with lies half the time. *nod nod*
If they feel like we are douches for knowing our characters and correcting the inconsistencies, well then its nt our problem.

 

[Xiivi]

If someone shows the initiative and wants to make a new thread, then please PM me so I know you are making one and I'll sticky it when you get the new one complete and de-sticky this one.

 

[Browny]

awww but this one has so much... history. 4.5k posts lol does any other character board even come close?
Would there be a way to like, delete the OP so the second poster becomes the thread owner? or just any way to give control of the title/OP to anyone else?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I agree with this guy, tho I will say that 60:40 is going to lean more typical than "at best", meaning I think sonic has a little more chance and that player skill is still largely part of this matchup.

What he said.

Reason, D-tilt.
We outrange and outprioritize Sonic, even with our after lag or start up lag.