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I agree entirely. You can learn a great deal from watching your matches. It's also the best way to study patterns within your own play which may be tough to notice if your attention is focused on your opponent.^^^^ I agree that you can't conciously think about the game and your strategy during the game. Its too slow, etc. etc. However, i have found that videos and other methods of analysis (via opp. telling you what they noticed, etc.) afterwards help a lot too. My friend and i recorded a few of our matches and went back and looked together. We learned so much about our games by analyzing the videos, because in the game i wasn't thinking, Man how did that u-smash hit me, i was thinking DI left and get away from the u-air which was coming next. Then later, i learned that the u-smash hit because of a specific mindgame that he did that i didn't read.
So analysis during match = death.
Analysis after match = much improvment
Also, great thread/info lunin.
interesting...i will try dat...cuz i do mess up too much...but when i try to fix it whil playing i cant seem to figure exatcly whats wrong...but maybe if i record it...i can analyze whats wrong b4 i go staright into another match....its a very good idea....peaceI agree entirely. You can learn a great deal from watching your matches. It's also the best way to study patterns within your own play which may be tough to notice if your attention is focused on your opponent.
Answer hereI didn't ask which techs you know how to do. I asked which ones you use. If the answer is "none of them," you aren't as good at them as you think, or else you'd recognize their uses.
Talent can't be observed via the Internet. Any novice can come on here and claim to be good based on the results of inconsequential local tournaments. In fact, most of them do.
As I said, the definition of a "pro" put forth by this thread is admittedly vague. Here's what I think Lunin was getting at:
A pro is a player who:
-is a reputable and respected member of the Smash community at large (outside their own town, county, state, et cetera).
-has attended major, national tournaments and placed respectably.
The world consists of more than Texas. Nobody is "tossing johns." They're right to question you.
Nobody is saying that posting on Smashboards makes you good, either.
If such is the case, I would venture to guess that none of your opponents were any good.
You might think I'm just making blind assumptions, but I've heard the same story a hundred times or more.
Answer hereDude, Sora, I'm not after you or anything, but I don't agree with what you're saying. I am quite decent in NorCal. I DO place top 5 in a LOT of the tournaments I have been to, (and those who know me know the tournies I haven't placed top 5 in). And these aren't local tournies man, Isai goes to them, SilentSpectre, Zelgadis, Bob$, Germ, King. You just...don't seem to know much about this stuff so I don't blame you, I was like that too.
Open your mind Sora. Use your keyblade.
dude i only quoted this to show you, that i read your post, what was your goal in this? aside from the mindless bashing, and heavey *** kissing, I mean was this intent on lowering my selfesteem or something ? or were you trying to highten yours ? or were you trying to gain the respect of other members ? Due to your level of idoitism i was just going to ignore you, i but it seemed like you put alot of hard work into it, so i figured i should atleast respond to it.Sora I am going to strongly advise you to just shut up. You keep saying "that dallas tournament" but fail to menton what it was as if you forgot (I have a weird feeling it wasn't MLG Dallas). ZoSo owns you to hell. All you are doing is arguing a point to people who KNOW you are wrong.
Here's the deal. The reason ZoSo is even bothering to argue with your scrub A** is that you are just SOOOO pretencious it hurts to let you keep posting without repercussion (also why I'm posting).
YOU ARE WRONG. You don't know NEARLY as much about the game as anybody you are arguing with. You are making yourself look like a clown. I know that to you it may seem "I can jsut argue these points because I believe they are the truth and everyone is just gonna have to deal with it." But ANYBODY who is playing at even HIGH level of play, much less pro, can tell you are a **** FOOL.
I also agree that professional smasher is a stupid term. Elite is more like it. BUT if you want to define pro, I'll just say it's someone who has signed an MLG contract. How bout that? Seems reasonable. Hence, I'm a pro and I say you should be quiet. now.
Any response other than "I'm sorry Sock I didn't know that's how it was, I'll be good" will be disregarded and automatically render you a mongoloid.
1) I did enter MLG SF & paid $15 to get my butt handed to me.Ok the last 2 tournaments i went to held, between anywhere from 50 to 60 people, and some employees from a local Fx store rented out the building and it was a local tournament, 5 dollar entry fee, first prize $150 dollars, 2nd a gamecube , 3rd a copy of the game. OK i won that tournament, over about 50 people ? Can you tell me something ? if you knew you were a noob at a game, or not verygood ? would enter a tournament and pay 5 dollars ? if you did this obviously you thought you had some skills, no ? And tell me, besides the name, whats differs between this tournament and the ones you attend ? I guess you fight people with contracts, difrent prizes, is their anything else ? I mean, i win tournaments like this. then people say i should goto a smashboards held tourny, in some guys basement, with only about 10 people ?
I'm thinking about quoting this for my sig....way too funny. Unless i'm reading it wrong I think he's suggesting that everything you need to know to be good at this game is covered in "how to play"...this guy's a trip.
You know i really wish you would have quoted my entire post. thats just my point it was well known, and lot of the top compitors did come. austin, houston, and dallas, basicly what your saying, the difrence is advertiseing. i been to afew basment tournaments yes smashheld, there werent all that, most less inpressive than the locals. And your number 5 is matter of oppinon, just like Zoso said, just because your apart of these site does not make you a good player. and ive beaten players form this site so.. yea.1) I did enter MLG SF & paid $15 to get my butt handed to me.
2) The difference between your local tournies and the tournies on smashboards are the fact that the higher-level competitors don't know about it. If your tournies were posted on smashboards, they would get attention from the Top players of Texas.
3) I've seen prizes go up past $2000.
4) You have to know your community, that basement might have 10 people that are way better than you. I go to basement tournies and I'm good. What if you meet someone like me at your basement tourny?
5) (To Clear up #4) Its like this, if you went to a chess tournament that doesn't go into the "World Chess Rankings" type of database thing, you wouldn't be known within the larger community. If you only play with people outside of the community you will never play anyone inside. Something to remember: The SMASH community (smashboards) is MUCH BETTER than the LOCAL community.
The best example I could give to answer ALL of your questions is:
Major League Gaming.
(You'll know what I mean when you go there )
I stated pretty explicitly that talent can't be observed via the Internet. Your skill won't speak for itself here. If you'd made a name for yourself outside of your community, people would probably be more inclined to take you seriously.2. Agreed talent can obesevered trough the internet, that why i say most people here have little to no talent. reason for that: 90 percent of the post i read here, are people asking for help on the basic of gameplay.
I've been to tournaments with 100+ players, all of whom were amateur at best. I knew in advance that there wouldn't be anybody good there. Here's why: They were all local tournaments. The players who participated in these tourneys were, as Lunin put it, "outside of the community."4. Yea i know the world is bigger than texas, ok let me get this straight, do you honestly believe, that all 15 tournaments i went too, the smallest i believe had 30 people, were all not very good ? ill end it here, all noobs at every tournament ? * shakes heads * theres alot of naive people here, i didnt think you would be one of them.
Yeah thanks Whatever makes you happy man. Good stuff beating some peeps in smashboards.No, i was saying that most info here is in the basic "how to play" but the comical part was staged perposely. I was trying to lighten the mood.
You know i really wish you would have quoted my entire post. thats just my point it was well known, and lot of the top compitors did come. austin, houston, and dallas, basicly what your saying, the difrence is advertiseing. i been to afew basment tournaments yes smashheld, there werent all that, most less inpressive than the locals. And your number 5 is matter of oppinon, just like Zoso said, just because your apart of these site does not make you a good player. and ive beaten players form this site so.. yea.
Oh anyway dude congradulations on the thread.. nice work. n stuff
I dont get defensive, I merely respond back to all post with an equivalent reaction. I do like what you said, but how do you all stumble apon the fact, that i think advance tech are useless ? I never said that, you all know that right ?This thread has a lot of potential. Lets not turn it into a flamewar. Even if Sora may be incorrect, nothing will be gained from saying, "Your wrong". His natural reaction will be to get defensive. The better way of dealing with it is being polite. Sora will likely learn for himself that the advanced techniques are vital. You could be the most intelligent person on earth and still lose at this game if you had no tech skill. Why? You'd mess up all the time and press the wrong buttons, even if you could read your opponents moves like a book.
Listen, no rep, I believe i said this once before already, respect especally comeing from people i dont know, means less thing nothing to me. And i know your just saying that to make a point, but go do what i did, And go find 100 people "statewide". beat all of them.Winning a tournament of fifteen known players in somebody's basement will get you more rep than winning a tourney of five thousand novices. Inexperienced players are a dime a dozen. I could probably go out right now, find 100 people from my town who think they're good, and demolish all of them.
And yea, weither or not you believe me is cool too.Yeah thanks Whatever makes you happy man. Good stuff beating some peeps in smashboards.
You said that a player doesn't need advanced techs to be good. If such was the case, I'd consider them to be pretty useless.but how do you all stumble apon the fact, that i think advance tech are useless ? I never said that, you all know that right ?
Okay. You're confident and that's a good thing, but don't expect anybody to listen to you until you've established yourself—especially not if you're going to call yourself "one of the best Link players."Listen, no rep, I believe i said this once before already, respect especally comeing from people i dont know, means less thing nothing to me.
Done. Now, go beat Rob$, Caveman, and FastLikeTree. If you can beat all of them, the community at large will surely stop wave-dashing forever.And i know your just saying that to make a point, but go do what i did, And go find 100 people "statewide". beat all of them.
You mind me asking who the players from this site are that you played and beat? Maybe Rob$ and Caveman were there and you didn't even know it.Sora Keyblade Master said:and ive beaten players form this site so.. yea.
Soras Answer:You said that a player doesn't need advanced techs to be good. If such was the case, I'd consider them to be pretty useless.
No, i didnt say that either. if i did, quote me if im wrong.
I said not all pro-players use advance techs, and that the way he wrote this makes it sound as if all pro-player play very identical to each other, which is not the case.
Okay. You're confident and that's a good thing, but don't expect anybody to listen to you until you've established yourself—especially not if you're going to call yourself "one of the best Link players."
Hmm i didnt say that out-loud, someone else called me that, and i just agreed with them, but weither or not the people of this site care to terms with this or not is of vain, im one of the top 3 ranked playrs in texas. if its known on this site or not i dont care.
Done. Now, go beat Rob$, Caveman, and FastLikeTree. If you can beat all of them, the community at large will surely stop wave-dashing forever.
who are you ? i didnt go to those tournaments because 1 or 2 reasons, 1 didnt know about them, im sure they were listed on smash boards, but as you can i join here only this month, about 2 or 3 weeks ago. or if i did know about them i havent the transportantion at the time. as it clearly states under my name, i live in waco texas.Sora, I live in texas and know alot about the tournament scene here and you have NEVER won a big tourny that one of the austin crew has attended >_>.
Last few big tournaments:
>_>.. Also, if you live in houston then go to HOST. It is tomorrow and people from all over texas and out of state are going to show up.