Some rules I followed to get better, by LunInSpectra

[Samochan]

What are you talking about ? I ko peach all the time down there. ( infact i play there all the time, I have never been koed by a peach, that may be one of your perosnal problems with against peach players, but openly admitting something like is kinda embrassesing, I have never lost a peach player preiod in my life. but if think you can prove me wrong than by all means for for it )Any advance player can by pass any level trickery, and if you cant its your own personal fault, you shouldnt blame the level, every character have advantages and disadvantages on certains levels. Like i said a good player knows his strentghs and his weaknesses but a great will find away around them ( by around i mean the weaknesses ) You should remember that. But thanks for you input. if you would said something little more inteligent, you would hit the two cent mark. ill put your penny in the bag for trying tho.

Then for some reason the peach player you're playing doesn't know how to take full advantage of the stage. :/ I used to play on Hyrule temple because it was a huge stage, but I was very much at disadvantage against Peach, since you cannot KO her horizonaly due to her recovery (and a good player can tech at the ceiling so as to not get bounced down due to flight path) and any vertical KO's are prevented by the ceiling. Peach can fthrow and bthrow for easy kills, not to mention dsmash at right places sends the opponent plummeting down at high speed with no means of recovering. She can spam turnips on the left side when others are on the right side and the little platform on the bottom right is like created for peach and her dsmash/usmash. Btw, I used Pikachu at that time and I did use the stage to my advantage as well, via bthrowing peach and stagespiking her on the right side, usmashing when she was under the opening on the roof, teching as many attacks as possible, ect. So you should not come and tell me I have problems with Peach. I've been matching against one for 5 years, so if anything, I know how to fight peaches. I wasn't admitting anything, I never had any problems vs Peach on temple even with Pika and peach's bazillion advantages on that level vs my character, just commenting how I have experience on these things and why the stages are banned and why they should stay banned even on friendlies. Money matches are quite serious you know, 70$ is a big amount of money.

Edit: Yes, every stage has an edge of some kind. Be it stage boundaries or just a stage edge. I did not express it clearly enough though, but most stages do have a ledge where every character can edgeguard to some degree. Fox can shinespike on at least half of the stages and waveshine on the rest.

 

[Dread101]

Lunin!! i challenge u to a 5cent money match! do u accept?

 

[Mr.C]

Sora hyrule and greatbay are banned because of Fox

if your a smash player then you follow the professional (MLG,STATE) rules

u also have a tiny peenis

ty

 

[Brookman]

lol I hope you end up playing on termina bay and get back thrown stage spiked every single stock LOL.


15 second match!

 

[emerican]

really good post lunin. made alot of really good points.

 

[Cort]

I officially declare Sora Keyblade Master one gigantic joke. I almost had a shred of respect for him up until his hilarious last post. =(

 

[Aiser]

This thread stopped being funny a long time ago, noob hating should only be done in moderation. =[

I wish I could be arrogant and have pros come to my house and **** me T_T

 

[HugS]

What the hell are you talking about ? I clearly said i didnt have the money. Man i swear, dont act as if you know me, and dont assume **** unless you know it. Die-hard fans think they know everything. why would i back down, when i already gave him the adress ? Not to mention i said next saturday.

I once arranged to play someone for 1000 dollars. He also gave me the address and the date. The date kept changing because of BS reasons, and when I finally got him to play me, he left the house while I was on the freeway. So when I arrived, I only found his friends saying "he left because he thought you wouldn't show up" despite me calling him 15 minutes prior as I was on the way. So i played his friends for 400 bucks, the wager was then dropped to 200 after they realized they weren't going to beat me. They then only gave me 180 anyways.

He was also a bit of a hypocrite as he tried to impose HIS rules into the match up while accusing me of only being good enough to play under "MY" rules. Does this sound familiar to you?

You need to understand that these are MLG rules not ours. They were created by the biggest national console tournament organization and they are seen as the most fair way of deciding the better player in the match up by the majority of the professional smash community. You want to play on broken stages? Fine. I hope FLT decides to be a real **** that day and shows you exactly why those stages are banned. If you two agreed to it then whatever. The main problem I have about it is that you just don't understand the reasoning for our rules. That's all.

Sorry if I came off a bit harsh, but you need to understand that I've seen this all before. You are pretty much following the noob stereotype action by action. You'll end up recieving the same result as all the others in the end.

I don't understand what you meant by being a Die hard fan. A fan of who or what? A fan of FLT? Not necessarily. I have tons of respect for his skill. Is that what you mean by fan?

Every new post you leave leads me to believe that you really are clueless on the way this game works. You lack knowledge in many ways and you reject simple reasoning time after time. You lack knowledge in stages and character capabilities. I wont get specific because you'll just try to counter it with arguments based on strategies you use on your horribly skilled friends/game store tournaments.

Also, Is it that hard to fathom that perhaps players who have been in tournaments amongst the best in the world may actually know more than you/be better than you? It's obvious that you won't listen to anything until you get your *** handed to you. So next saturday is it? I guess sunday morning you'll wake up with your reality check. Good luck.

FLT seems like a nice guy. He seems like he'd be willing to go a bit easy on you if he sees that the bet is already won.

You're lucky it's not me your fighting, I'll tell you that much.

 

[dcx1287]

I once arranged to play someone for 1000 dollars. He also gave me the address and the date. The date kept changing because of BS reasons, and when I finally got him to play me, he left the house while I was on the freeway. So when I arrived, I only found his friends saying "he left because he thought you wouldn't show up" despite me calling him 15 minutes prior as I was on the way. So i played his friends for 400 bucks, the wager was then dropped to 200 after they realized they weren't going to beat me. They then only gave me 180 anyways.

****, that is noob regulating at its finest. Nice work.

Fine. I hope FLT decides to be a real **** that day and shows you exactly why those stages are banned. If you two agreed to it then whatever.

The surprise is spoiled! I figured it would be funnier to let him know after the match but it's all good.

I wanted him to realize the irony of what he is saying - he does not want only "neutral" stages because they "give fox an advantage." Instead, he wants to include stages like hyrule and termina bay.

I also agree with the comment with regards to the term "die-hard fan." Nobody in this topic is a "die-hard" fan in the sense that this game consumes their lives.

Anyways Sora you gave us two options - September 30th and October 10th. The match will 100% go down on one of these two days. I'd like it if you post the rules that will be used during the money match.

I'm guessing you want all levels. Is 4 stock, 8 minute time limit ok? Is advanced slob pick ok?

Advanced slob pick:

players 1 and 2 play game 1; player 1 wins.
Player 2 declares the stage to be played in game 2. Player 1 may switch his/her character or stay. Player 2 now gets the luxury to pick his/her character after seeing player 1's pick.

Advanced slob pick gives the loser the advantage of stage and character, but not at the same time.

 

[Samochan]

Good stuff HugS. I can only hope Sora realises what mess he has caught himself into before it's too late. If my memory serves me correcly, doesn't FLT use Fox ? (don't sue me if my memory phailed) Termina Bay is gonna be fun.

 

[DoH]

FLT generally uses Fox and Marth in tournament play.

I want to play Sora with my Peach...

 

[ashestoashes500]

gotta beat the people to prove em u will win

 

[HugS]

AshestoAshes500, talk to me on AIM @ Johnyontheguitar and we can talk about our money match.

 

[h1roshi]

dang...now i have to wait another week for this fest to go down ...jeez....i just wanna know if hes gonna like... 4-stock him...or 3-stock him in most of the matches...oh well..guess i'll have to wait a bit longer...peace

-hiroshi

 

[Brookman]

it doesn't matter how many stocks he has left , what matters is how well he suicides with them for ridiculously flashy kills

 

[Ultra Nova]

For those of you involved in the Sora vs. FLT wager, this is the address where it will take place: 1929 Lyle Ave.
Date still isn't confirmed yet though.

 

[Sora Keyblade Master]

I once arranged to play someone for 1000 dollars. He also gave me the address and the date. The date kept changing because of BS reasons, and when I finally got him to play me, he left the house while I was on the freeway. So when I arrived, I only found his friends saying "he left because he thought you wouldn't show up" despite me calling him 15 minutes prior as I was on the way. So i played his friends for 400 bucks, the wager was then dropped to 200 after they realized they weren't going to beat me. They then only gave me 180 anyways.

He was also a bit of a hypocrite as he tried to impose HIS rules into the match up while accusing me of only being good enough to play under "MY" rules. Does this sound familiar to you?

You need to understand that these are MLG rules not ours. They were created by the biggest national console tournament organization and they are seen as the most fair way of deciding the better player in the match up by the majority of the professional smash community. You want to play on broken stages? Fine. I hope FLT decides to be a real **** that day and shows you exactly why those stages are banned. If you two agreed to it then whatever. The main problem I have about it is that you just don't understand the reasoning for our rules. That's all.

Sorry if I came off a bit harsh, but you need to understand that I've seen this all before. You are pretty much following the noob stereotype action by action. You'll end up recieving the same result as all the others in the end.

I don't understand what you meant by being a Die hard fan. A fan of who or what? A fan of FLT? Not necessarily. I have tons of respect for his skill. Is that what you mean by fan?

Every new post you leave leads me to believe that you really are clueless on the way this game works. You lack knowledge in many ways and you reject simple reasoning time after time. You lack knowledge in stages and character capabilities. I wont get specific because you'll just try to counter it with arguments based on strategies you use on your horribly skilled friends/game store tournaments.

Also, Is it that hard to fathom that perhaps players who have been in tournaments amongst the best in the world may actually know more than you/be better than you? It's obvious that you won't listen to anything until you get your *** handed to you. So next saturday is it? I guess sunday morning you'll wake up with your reality check. Good luck.

FLT seems like a nice guy. He seems like he'd be willing to go a bit easy on you if he sees that the bet is already won.

You're lucky it's not me your fighting, I'll tell you that much.

i see the point you were trying to make with your story, but i cleary stated my reson why, and it has yet to change so your story doesnt apply to me or anyone on my team. You didnt sound harsh at all, just annoying. And you need to understand ive been through this before. And im lucky that im not fighting you ? Dude, dont make me laugh. how many times have i heard that before. You all say you've seen my scenario happen tons of times over. I agree with you, this has happen to me tons of times over. people saying the same old bs. you wanna know the top lines a newcomer hears the most ?

4. Your baby tournys are nothing
3. go to a real tourny ( go play in somones basement ), you'll be *****
2. go play such n such, and then prove yourself.
1. Ahh... blah blah blah. your lucky your not playing me. Ill inpregnate you from rapeing you so hard.

so you'll have to forgive me if i give what you say a big lol. Man i swear, i wish you stayed somewhere close to texas, you could really just put me in place, Man i love to see you try. you talk big evening useing such a cliched story. If your ever in texas make sure you look me up. Anyways you guys dont seem to understand i been threw this same scenario over and over. A when i say diehard fans, i mean people like you thats stuck on the samething. acting as if you know everything, useing the same lines that no longer evoke interest or any genuine meaning because they have been so overused.....I would have called you a "Fanboy" if i ment your love for him. Hmm, I thought those levels were banned because the were hazardous. But now you say its because foxs himself -.- hmmm whatevere the reasons are,i could careless.

Hmm you say every new post i leave makes you believe have no ideal of how the game works. Ive been playing the game for 4 years now, i know every nook and cranny there is to know. i mean, you need to be clear with yourself. Level bans werent programmed into the game itself. so that has nothing to do with the game. that was an opinon from MLG. Unless you had other reasons for saying that. You really should have put, i have no ideal on how mlg works. Personally i dont really give rats *** of what your problem is with me. because nothing you say will change they i think,act or respond to you or anyone else. if you really have problem with me, and you think i should learn a lesson. Then maybe you should come and teach me first hand. You say alot of things but what can you prove ? thats the real qusetion. i know you stay like a million miles away , like i said. look me up if you ever drop by texas.

 

[Ultra Nova]

Took you long enough to show up. Schools almost over so this might be my only other post.

 

[Aiser]

Hmm you say every new post i leave makes you believe have no ideal of how the game works. Ive been playing the game for 4 years now, i know every nook and cranny there is to know. i mean, you need to be clear with yourself. Level bans werent programmed into the game itself. so that has nothing to do with the game. that was an opinon from MLG. Unless you had other reasons for saying that. You really should have put, i have no ideal on how mlg works. Personally i dont really give rats *** of what your problem is with me. because nothing you say will change they i think,act or respond to you or anyone else. if you really have problem with me, and you think i should learn a lesson. Then maybe you should come and teach me first hand. You say alot of things but what can you prove ? thats the real qusetion. i know you stay like a million miles away , like i said. look me up if you ever drop by texas.

You can ban stages for random select. that leaves me to believe that they tried to incorperate level bans.

You should really care about MLG rules since they've been the standard rule set for god knows how long. If you don't its your loss really, since almost ever player in competive smash plays this way lol.

 

[Ultra Nova]

So Aiser I was just wondering how you compare against FLT?

 

[Sora Keyblade Master]

500th post, baby.

Due to it being #500, I would like to remove my humble attitude and be straight forward.

Sora:

I'm alright with people being confident in what they can do/who they are/what they believe in, and I don't mind if they believe what they know to be the best thing. If you believe red apples taste like pizza I won't stop you. But when you say, "Lunin dosen't eat apples because it tastes like pizza", it will piss.me.off.

Don't call Hugs a die-hard fan for what he says. He knows more about apples & pizza than you.

Honestly, by the way you talk, how you word your subjects, and by the way you bring up subjects, I can tell you haven't been to any competitive tournament. Sora, this is YOU:

Mike P. Talking Smack

And as EVERYBODY has been saying, you are displaying attributes of the typical noob. Don't feel left out, practically everybody was like you.



That statement right there tells me you think about TECHNIQUES. You obviously don't have the 7 mental habits in your mind. You SHOULD be worried about what he likes to do most and how you would counter it (even though thinking about that isn't God-tier).

I don't want you to get hurt or anything, but you will lose to FLT. Beating FLT is like hoping for an apple to taste like a pizza. Everybody here wants to prove you wrong, to let you know where you actually do stand in the community. You're actually very lucky/very infortunate to have someone as good as FLT come to your house to play you.

That really is a lot of money man, you're basically playing FLT for $70. You may not believe me now and consider me a die-hard fan or what not, but trust me, I'm not a die-hard fan. I'd quit smash if any event calls for it. I'm ONLY POSTING THIS TO CUSHION YOUR FALL. I don't mind if you hate me or anything, just warning you while I can.

If you want to sustain a confident smashing experience, I say you back out while you can. But if you really can't grasp the concept that you are below average competition in ALL MLG tournies AND your parents are rich, maybe it'd be a good idea for you to play him.

No hard-feelings or anything, just posting what I believe.

-LunInSpectra

Luin dude, calm down you act as if i have lowself esteem or something. its kinda funny, you treating my like little kid and stuff, sugar coating what you really want to say, so that you dont hurt my feelings. and the apples and pizza analogy. but you kinda confused me on this part. "Lunin dosen't eat apples because it tastes like pizza", it will piss.me.off." are you saying that your pissed off about something i said dude? I mean join in with everyone else whos here, im sure i pissed alot of people off but i dont lose any sleep over it.

Ok lemme get this straight. your upset i called hugs a i diehard fan. being a diehard fan isnt bad thing you know . And i didnt call him that because he said he knows more about apples. i called him that because he thought i was going back out or come up with some bs reason. but i already stated why it couldnt be done. We on the same page here ? And you keep saying dont feel leftout. Dude i just want you to know i dont feel leftout. Im not trying to fit in anywhere either. Oh and no i was just letting him know of what i thought about his level section. I dont care how he plays, nore do i care about what i should do to counter it.. I can do all that within seconds of playing. Why should worry about things i dont know of ? When i could be focusing on what i do know, and what i can change. Actually that was my plan from the begining to have someone like him to come and play. i got exactly what i wanted. Lunin dude.. thanks for your sentimental pep talk........ your a true friend. Is that what you want me to say ? Thanks but save it for someone who needs it. Dude for the last time i dont hate you. i dont hate anyone here. there just some annoying people. but your not one of them dude.

Everyone has the right to opinon. But you want to know what gets me ? That fact that you diehard fans. Truly believe that no underground player could be better than anyone on your site. How you all assume that all newcomers are below MLG. Its kinda funny to me. but not just you. But everyone here believe it also. everyone has the right to their opinon dude. no hard feelings here. your still cool in my book

You can ban stages for random select. that leaves me to believe that they tried to incorperate level bans.

You should really care about MLG rules since they've been the standard rule set for god knows how long. If you don't its your loss really, since almost ever player in competive smash plays this way lol.

I guess i should have been more specfic. when i said level bans i ment the mlg levels bans werent programmed into the game. for the mlg reasons. i guess i should have seen that one comeing

 

[ashestoashes500]

i add u, u know when the registration is gonna be open? cuz it keeps saying under construction

 

[Aiser]

I guess i should have been more specfic. when i said level bans i ment the mlg levels bans werent programmed into the game. for the mlg reasons. i guess i should have seen that one comeing

Thats because the programers didn't expect the game to really take off like they did. besides I doubt they would even know which stages to ban, I mean they ahve debug mode yes but if they actually took the time toplay the game it would be far more balanced.

Sorry but they did take level bans into consideration, regaurdless if its as specific as you want it they did.

edit: @Ultronova: I don't know, he's ranked so he'd probably wreck me. <_<

 

[dcx1287]

so you'll have to forgive me if i give what you say a big lol. Man i swear, i wish you stayed somewhere close to texas, you could really just put me in place, Man i love to see you try. you talk big evening useing such a cliched story. If your ever in texas make sure you look me up.

it won't be necessary lol, hugs will defeat you vicariously through FLT.

take a look at the power rankings:

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=83821

13. HugS
21. FastLikeTree

If you don't beat FLT, you won't beat HugS.

Anyways, refer to my last post - is 4 stock with an 8 minute time limit all stages ok with you?

And, is "advanced slob picks" ok with you? loser picks stage, winner picks character (or stays), loser picks character..in that order. that's how ASP works in a nutshell.

edit: thanks for the address ultra nova

 

[Sora Keyblade Master]

****, that is noob regulating at its finest. Nice work.



The surprise is spoiled! I figured it would be funnier to let him know after the match but it's all good.

I wanted him to realize the irony of what he is saying - he does not want only "neutral" stages because they "give fox an advantage." Instead, he wants to include stages like hyrule and termina bay.

I also agree with the comment with regards to the term "die-hard fan." Nobody in this topic is a "die-hard" fan in the sense that this game consumes their lives.

Anyways Sora you gave us two options - September 30th and October 10th. The match will 100% go down on one of these two days. I'd like it if you post the rules that will be used during the money match.

I'm guessing you want all levels. Is 4 stock, 8 minute time limit ok? Is advanced slob pick ok?

Advanced slob pick:

players 1 and 2 play game 1; player 1 wins.
Player 2 declares the stage to be played in game 2. Player 1 may switch his/her character or stay. Player 2 now gets the luxury to pick his/her character after seeing player 1's pick.

Advanced slob pick gives the loser the advantage of stage and character, but not at the same time.

Ok then dude, october 10th will do.
Rules:
1.all levels, no slobs, the munny battle will be: Nova wants in sinces hes pitching in, 2 on 2 battle. me and nova, against you and tree.
2. 3 out 5 rounds wins.
3.aftherwards me and tree can still go 1 on 1 for the camera sake.
4. but the main event will be the two on two. wager changes. if we win you both retire. but if not then we leave and whatever. If anyone else wants in just to put me in my place feel free to come by. ill be waiting 1929 Lyle Ave. location. remember october 10th.
5. we do 6 stock, no time limit

 

[dcx1287]

Rules: all levels, no slobs, the munny battle will be: Nova wants in sinces hes pitching in, 2 on 2 battle. me and nova, against you and tree. 3 out 5 rounds wins.

what on earth. i am not participating in the battle. it is Tree vs you, 1 vs 1

that was the original money match. you can't change it to 2 v 2.

if you want an ADDITIONAL 2 v 2 money match, you can money match tree and Xelic.


once again, it is a 1 v 1 Tree vs you for $70.

then, if you want to do an additional 2 v 2 for money that's fine.



Edit:

So here will be the rules:

1. This is a 1 v 1 between you and tree for $70
2. All stages are on
3. No slob picks. Random stage each time.
4. No items
5. 6 stock
6. Best 3 of 5 rounds

one last thing...if the wager invovles flt quitting if he loses, then you have to do something if you lose as well (not just "run away" from smashboards forever). if you lose, you have to come onto smashboards and admit to everyone you were wrong.

I think that's a VERY lenient wager. nobody is even asking you to quit the game.

 

[Brookman]

something tells me sora is your stereotypical RED-NECK honky

sounds like mr. bush, except not as smart, and 3 times as thick headed

 

[FASTLIKETREE]

Oh man, pitiful. Sora go mow a couple lawns or come roof my apartment, I don't give a ****. You need to get your 70 dollars and play me 1v1. I am not driving to Waco for 35 bucks, what a joke.

Since you are going to win the match tell your mom to lend you the cash, you will return the money to her promptly after you get my 70.

If you want to play a 2v2 you can put up some of the 70 your going to win from the 1v1.


Smash noobs, backing out since December 3rd, 2001.

 

[Brookman]

FLT noobs have been backing out since the dawn of man lol, 2001 is silly.

 

[nublet06]

LoL this tread has gone to hell

 

[HugS]

And you need to understand ive been through this before. And im lucky that im not fighting you ? Dude, dont make me laugh. how many times have i heard that before. You all say you've seen my scenario happen tons of times over. I agree with you, this has happen to me tons of times over. people saying the same old bs. you wanna know the top lines a newcomer hears the most ?

4. Your baby tournys are nothing
3. go to a real tourny ( go play in somones basement ), you'll be *****
2. go play such n such, and then prove yourself.
1. Ahh... blah blah blah. your lucky your not playing me. Ill inpregnate you from rapeing you so hard.

so you'll have to forgive me if i give what you say a big lol.

Blah blah blah blah blah
Blah blah blah blah blah
Blah blah blah blah blah
Blah blah blah blah blah

Haha. Quit acting like you are the "Pro" in this scenario. Don't act like you have gone through this scenario before. What Pro have you played before? Who is he? Yeah, you played a nobody who knew how to wavedash. Good job. Get *****.

We've been playing vs randoms like you (who haven't even played vs a real pro or in a real tournament) for years, and we have taken their money everytime. You haven't ever played a real pro. So, it's quite simple.

We've been through this before. You haven't.

The rest of what you said is just a bunch of bull**** about how i need to go to texas to prove myself. I've been to texas several times. And I have yet to see you at any of these major tournaments. I don't need to prove myself to some guy named Sora in texas.

Yeah, I think ur the one who needs to prove himself to an entire gaming community after talking so much crap. Good luck.

Quit changing rules. Pay FLT his freakin money already! Get it over with. Ur done.

Now I'm just waiting for you to come in with some BS excuse about how you won't be able to play for 70 cuz ur friend wont spot you unless he gets in on it.

Typical...

 

[Cra$hman]

I Hate N00bs!!!!!!

 

[KadZ]

Uh Wow...im sure most ppl use insticnts when playing but.....wow

 

[Brookman]

**** hugs, you read that noob like a uh...noob...I guess. LOL you called that **** like 3 pages back gg.

 

[Flamestar666]

LOL sora is officially a n00b.... he quoted me! ME!!!!

but seriously,
Sora, simply shut up....
put up or shut up.

And don't be going like "(oh this guys in cali, i'll never see him) MM me then and i'll show you blah blah blah blah blah"

i'll be in texas in december. so if you want to play me, i'll gladly play you

 

[Overswarm]

I would laugh so hard if Sora was just an alternate account made by Ken to make some quick cash. That'd be something for the books.

 

[LunInSpectra]

Sora, if the next thing you post is stupid I'm putting on my front page:

"DISREGARD SORA KEYBLADE MASTER THE BOY WHO FITS THE STEREOTYPICAL NOOB"

Mmkay? Got it? I join the rest of the group because I gave you 3 chances to be humble. Now you just piss me off. Negative Rep Sora KeyBlade Master, for he, is a gay.

Like it that way pe.nis? Hmm? Want me to ridicule you even more?

Your vocabulary and sentence structure is sickening.
The topics you oh so believe to be relevant make you look stupid.

I can't wait to have your little egocentric mind ****ed up.

You wanna know why I don't want you to feel left out? Because when you get owned, you will probably feel like running the hot tub water and slitting the wrists. You've never been so wrong in your life.

You are stuck within the egocentric path of childhood, typically those aged around 3 or 4. No one's opinion exists outside of your head, and all you can truly believe is yourself.

Grow up. Be a man.




--Lunin

Like that better Sora?

 

[Jeveras]

O_ o Did you just say everystage has an edge ? * shakes head some* So stages like the "Onett" you can edgegaurd on ? Hmm you know what.... Imma end it on that one.. imma need you to take sometime to go think about what you just said. Thats like saying all heartless are black. -_-

And brook i ment recovery wise, His up and you can gain the most distants with. And if you dont agree tothat then you dont know what your talking about it. i know what im talking about.... now stop harrasing me and find a life. and stop sending me pms too.. dang -.-

i havent posted here in a while but man are you stupid. fox does not have the best recovery. not even in terms of distance. jigglypuff and samus easily beat fox in distance. if you are talking about up b distance, then ice climbers beat fox's.

 

[FastFox]

This is Smashboards, not LETS-RIP-SOMEONE'S-THREAD-APART-BECAUSE-I DON'T-AGREE-WITH-ITboards.

 

[LunInSpectra]

Sorrry. But seriously, after a while I'd really like my thread to get back on track with 90% discussion 10% noob.