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[malva00]

I'm going to sell my extra adaptoid one day it'll be fun!

 

[earthadept]

first offer $5
:D

 

[malva00]

looks like I have the server IP and exact time for the MASTERS CUP 11/29 5AM PST

moyashi said I can p2p if my opponent agrees (I get 4 or 5 normally, or 9 with Hokkaido people)

btw this is my third or fourth time entering one of their online tourneys. I remember for a 3on3 tourney my team lost first round lol it's always single elimination and you have to use the same character for the whole thing. the end matches are usually streamed through windows media player for everyone to watch

alright looks like JAIME can join I just asked we'll see if JAIME still wants to do it. Anyone outside west coast should not join

 

[NixxxoN]

does prince play?
who wouldnt like prince vs malva livestream? xD

 

[Superstar]

I read the economics argument a bit back. I facepalmed multiple times, so I want to bring it up again.

Its been said multiple times, and I"ll say it again, oil prices will go up when they start to run out. People say capitalism will cause all our resources to disappear, but they'll become unaffordable FAR before that ever happens. Then something else like solar power will take the helm, but for now, pfft, you're just promoting inefficiency.

Also, this is where the government can subsidize research and development on Solar Energy, to make it cheaper and more attractive so power companies pick it up on their own.

Oh, and yes, I'm republican. Big woop, doesn't mean we're against the continuation of science, in fact by being very pro-free market (many left are too, the smarter ones) it makes it a lot easier to continue expanding our knowledge. Space colonization presents a lot of opportunities, in fact it would be awesome no matter what side you're on.

 

[hamburglar]

I'm going to sell my extra adaptoid one day it'll be fun!

haha for the seller i'm sure it's always fun. especially when it's your "extra" adaptoid. Let me know if you're thinking about selling anytime soon. I'll most definitely be interested.

 

[SheerMadness]

No I remember p2p'ing some Japanese player a while ago and it wasn't any more than like 8 frames so shows what you guys know.

 

[NixxxoN]

Its been said multiple times, and I"ll say it again, oil prices will go up when they start to run out. People say capitalism will cause all our resources to disappear, but they'll become unaffordable FAR before that ever happens. Then something else like solar power will take the helm, but for now, pfft, you're just promoting inefficiency.

lol, as a US citizen you dont know what is to actually PAY a high price for fuel. Your oil prices are ridiculously low. You guys are lucky.... until oil starts to run out.
Do you know how we have to pay for a full gasoline or gasoil tank of teh car? About 65-70 euros, or $100. I heard in USA you pay the same for a full tank and for a mcdonalds meal.

Also, solar energy is actually not inefficient in the mid-long term. Sorry to say, and with all due respect, lots of republicans have a bunch of dollars as a brain and they only promote "benefit at all costs" propaganda...

Speaking of efficiency, space colonization has like zero chance of being efficient, until we find out how to travel at the speed of light.

 

[malva00]

does prince play?
who wouldnt like prince vs malva livestream? xD

that already happened once OLD

I dunno if he's joining this one

No I remember p2p'ing some Japanese player a while ago and it wasn't any more than like 8 frames so shows what you guys know.

8 frames isn't 7 buddy

 

[hamburglar]

lol, as a US citizen you dont know what is to actually PAY a high price for fuel. Your oil prices are ridiculously low. You guys are lucky.... until oil starts to run out.
Do you know how we have to pay for a full gasoline or gasoil tank of teh car? About 65-70 euros, or $100. I heard in USA you pay the same for a full tank and for a mcdonalds meal.

In America we actually use Mcdonald's meals as currency and the exchange rate usually equals one medium big mac meal with fries and a coke to a tank of gas. It depends on where in the country you are though.


on a more serious note, if our public transportation system was even remotely as efficient as yours then our gas would probably be much more expensive as well.

 

[NixxxoN]

that already happened once OLD

I dunno if he's joining this one

Vids pl0x

on a more serious note, if our public transportation system was even remotely as efficient as yours then our gas would probably be much more expensive as well.

Wouldn't it be the opposite?? More public transportation leads to less oil spent, so the price goes down.
Its just that USA controls a big part of the oil in the world, if i'm not wrong. Lol massive destruction weapons and terrorists @ Irak and Afganistan.

 

[Deleted member]

typical anti-american sentiment for the WRONG reasons

typical anti-REPUBLICAN answers that assume that virtually all republicans are money hoarders

LMAO

I guess fighting for what you think is right automatically makes you a greedy *****, and on the flip side with your logic you can say that ALL democrats are more interested in taxing MORE and spending it on **** government programs. Let's push the money burden onto the people by taxing more heavily for the sake of those in need

should we all just heavily tax everybody and give everyone a far share and punish people for becoming rich and sit on our ***** and freeload? I guess most european countries will opt for laziness. A large number of them are lazy socialists right?

also, traveling at the speed of light, which is pretty much impossible, sounds like it would take so much energy that it would end up being something so inefficient that it's not worth using it

 

[earthadept]

travel at the speed of light would take an infinite amount of energy, and is completely impossible

 

[Superstar]

By inefficiency I mean output/cost, not output/input. Earlier is economic, latter is Physics.

lol, as a US citizen you dont know what is to actually PAY a high price for fuel. Your oil prices are ridiculously low. You guys are lucky.... until oil starts to run out.
Do you know how we have to pay for a full gasoline or gasoil tank of teh car? About 65-70 euros, or $100. I heard in USA you pay the same for a full tank and for a mcdonalds meal.

Yes, and it will keep going up so long as our technology doesn't improve as the oil gets harder to find. There is a lot of oil left, just not cheap oil. You haven't countered anything, you've only helped my argument. Our price of oil is "low" actually either because OPEC is being unfair or because of government subsidies, which is another case of the government interfering with Capitalism.

Well, if McDonalds meals cost $40 you'd be right. We pay about $3 a gallon.

Also, solar energy is actually not inefficient in the mid-long term. Sorry to say, and with all due respect, lots of republicans have a bunch of dollars as a brain and they only promote "benefit at all costs" propaganda...

If you mean it won't be inefficient in the future, well, lol, you didn't counter anything. If you mean forcing companies to use solar energy now is efficient (and our power companies use coal/nuclear primarily anyways), well, I guess we should never intervene in any depression ever because short term losses really don't matter do they?

Also, you snuck in an ad hominem in there. Nice going.

Speaking of efficiency, space colonization has like zero chance of being efficient, until we find out how to travel at the speed of light.

Speed of light wouldn't work anyways. We need to find a way to break that, and I'm pretty sure we will eventually.

Also I hear my physics teacher mention that Einstean proved it would take an infinite amount of energy to make matter travel at the speed of light.

 

[Lovage]

no they're all really expensive unless you get lucky

just get a Mayflash adapter

 

[Superstar]

^ Indeed

Wouldn't it be the opposite?? More public transportation leads to less oil spent, so the price goes down.

More public transport and fuel efficient cars means less demand for gas, which means the price will go up. You learn that near the beginning of the year in either economics.

 

[Blue Yoshi]

Can anyone join the japanese tournament, or do you have to be invited? I'd join if I were allowed. I've played the japanese version quite a bit, enough to know alternate death combos with puff (lol)

Oh, and I live bordering the pacific, so lag will be minimal (relative to North American lag).

 

[ballin4life]

I read the economics argument a bit back. I facepalmed multiple times, so I want to bring it up again.

Its been said multiple times, and I"ll say it again, oil prices will go up when they start to run out. People say capitalism will cause all our resources to disappear, but they'll become unaffordable FAR before that ever happens. Then something else like solar power will take the helm, but for now, pfft, you're just promoting inefficiency.

Also, this is where the government can subsidize research and development on Solar Energy, to make it cheaper and more attractive so power companies pick it up on their own.

Oh, and yes, I'm republican. Big woop, doesn't mean we're against the continuation of science, in fact by being very pro-free market (many left are too, the smarter ones) it makes it a lot easier to continue expanding our knowledge. Space colonization presents a lot of opportunities, in fact it would be awesome no matter what side you're on.

Government subsidizing research is taking resources away from profitable areas and turning it to things that are not (yet) profitable. Although I will say that environmental and medical research are a lot better than just about all the other things that government spends money on.

Also republicans are a bunch of capitalists in name only. When they're out of power they like to say that they are pro market and for cutting taxes and everything, but when they're in power they start wars, run massive defecits, interfere with the economy etc.

 

[ballin4life]

^ Indeed



More public transport and fuel efficient cars means less demand for gas, which means the price will go up. You learn that near the beginning of the year in either economics.

Wat? Lowered demand means lower price.

Prices are probably higher in Europe because supply is low (most of those countries import all their oil I think).

 

[MattNF]

Also I hear my physics teacher mention that Einstean proved it would take an infinite amount of energy to make matter travel at the speed of light.

You can't travel at the speed of light because of the energy = mass relationship (E=MC^2)

As you move faster and faster through space, your mass increases. When you hit the speed of light, your mass would become infinite, and you'd need an infinite amount of energy to move an infinite mass (which is obviously impossible) so therefore you can never actually reach the speed of light, but you could get close.

the only reason light itself can move at that speed is because photons are massless (same with the hypothetical gravitons)

 

[Superstar]

**** it, I failed, lowered demand means lower price. Wee. Yes, probably the argument is a supply side one.

I'm generally not fond of subsidizing at all unless its maybe a market failure, so you know.

I see nothing wrong with running a deficeit during a depression the fed can't fix so well, which collides with what many right people say but whatever. I just prefer stuff that affect the private sector over public despite the certain inefficiences for mostly personal reason. In other words, I prefer tax rebates over government program spending and cutting government spending over raising taxes, despite the argument that people don't spend all of what they get back.

 

[MattNF]

Economics aside though, I'll never vote republican until they get their head out of their *** and stop being so anti-science (AKA anti-reality) and stop putting up joke candidates for election (See: Sarah Palin)

 

[NixxxoN]

The more demand, the higher price. Happens in everything... from oil to adaptoids.

If you mean it won't be inefficient in the future, well, lol, you didn't counter anything. If you mean forcing companies to use solar energy now is efficient (and our power companies use coal/nuclear primarily anyways), well, I guess we should never intervene in any depression ever because short term losses really don't matter do they?
Also, you snuck in an ad hominem in there. Nice going.

My parents have solar energy. It has an initial cost, sure, but you recover all of the money and even you save some money in several years. In Spain we have a law that you sell the energy you dont spend for a higher price than normal electricity and the electricity companies must get it.
Eh, I never said ALL republicans, but LOTS. Also, i've talked with a lot of republicans about polytics and ****, Im shocked for the way they think.
Like... Omg public health must be private because if the poor can't pay it then they can rest in pace, we wont pay for them... Or... why I have to pay for the people who aren't as successful as me and dont work as hard? As if poor people are poor on purpose.

Speed of light wouldn't work anyways. We need to find a way to break that, and I'm pretty sure we will eventually.

Speed of light would work obviously if it was possible. Astronomers have an eye of an earth-like planet in Gliese 581c (7 light years away) that is like twice the size. With the actual speed of our spaceships, it would take centuries to go there instead of 7 years.

 

[ballin4life]

Moving something at the speed of light is impossible but AFAIK there could still be some kind of wormhole method of going FTL. Although I'm not really an expert on this.

 

[ballin4life]

Nixxxon why do you want to TAKE money from the wealthy and give it to the poor? Even disregarding the screwed up incentives (in some welfare schemes it is better to NOT work because your welfare payments will go down), why not let rich people voluntarily give to charities (if they want to).

In my opinion there are some truly poor people that really can't support themselves, and I support helping them through voluntary charity. But many of the so called poor people in the US have homes and TVs. They should have to work to support themselves. But either way, no one is entitled to have money that is taken from others.

 

[SSBPete]

u cant break the speed of light, its maximum speed. its not possible to ever move the speed of light either...i watched a documentory.

 

[DMoogle]

But either way, no one is entitled to have money that is taken from others.

And here we have the fundamental differences in opinions.

 

[MarioReincarnate]

When you narrow these debates down to the money, you miss the point.

Also, wormholes for the win... and gravitons FAIL

ANNNNNDDD maybe we wouldn't have to spend so much on universal healthcare if we spent it all on clean energy sources instead of fossil fuels

Finally, adaptoids shmadaptoids

 

[MattNF]

Nixxxon why do you want to TAKE money from the wealthy and give it to the poor? Even disregarding the screwed up incentives (in some welfare schemes it is better to NOT work because your welfare payments will go down), why not let rich people voluntarily give to charities (if they want to).

In my opinion there are some truly poor people that really can't support themselves, and I support helping them through voluntary charity. But many of the so called poor people in the US have homes and TVs. They should have to work to support themselves. But either way, no one is entitled to have money that is taken from others.

Sorry, but people at the very bottom of the economy need money to get themselves back on track. Your idea of "LOL TOO BAD UR SCREWED" is pretty inhumane. As someone who used to live in extreme poverty, let me say this: You have no idea what you're talking about.

But either way, no one is entitled to have money that is taken from others.

Yeah, it's not fair to take a percent of money from the corporate suits who make tens of millions per year and own 5 cars and 3 houses while other people struggle to get by on minimum wage and wondering if they're going to be evicted next month due to lack of money.

Those evil socialists, always trying to take from the rich and give to the poor, just like Robin Hood! /s

 

[Superstar]

I live in extreme poverty NOW (as far as US people go) and I'm still not up for taking away money, at least not to the degree most people want it. Still, we don't live in a perfect world and I understand there has to be "some" upkeep, but the amount of popularity of "take from the evil businesses and give it to the poor me" is ridiculous.

I'm still pro health care reform though, I just don't think I want government owned universal healthcare.

A home using solar panel isn't the same as an electric company using it. Tell me if I'm wrong, but don't houses with solar power have to buy supplementary power as well? And on the side of companies, they have to dismantle what they already own, install the solar panels, invest in some cooling systems, and won't they need more land to fulfill the same power demands as well?

In Spain we have a law that you sell the energy you dont spend for a higher price than normal electricity and the electricity companies must get it.

Is this the reason why you save money (on house solar panels) or is this an aside?

 

[MattNF]

I live in extreme poverty NOW

Extreme enough where you could buy a $1000 computer for gaming while not working and relying on your parents for everything?

Try living in a household where every penny you got had to go to bills, and sometimes even that wasn't enough.

 

[DMoogle]

Raise your hand if you've ever had to live in a homeless shelter!

*Raises hand*

 

[Fireblaster]

I've been in extreme poverty... mostly outside of this country though.

 

[ballin4life]

Sorry, but people at the very bottom of the economy need money to get themselves back on track. Your idea of "LOL TOO BAD UR SCREWED" is pretty inhumane. As someone who used to live in extreme poverty, let me say this: You have no idea what you're talking about.



Yeah, it's not fair to take a percent of money from the corporate suits who make tens of millions per year and own 5 cars and 3 houses while other people struggle to get by on minimum wage and wondering if they're going to be evicted next month due to lack of money.

Those evil socialists, always trying to take from the rich and give to the poor, just like Robin Hood! /s

Actually Robin Hood took from the government and gave to the people

Questions:

How do you decide who should get the rich people's money then? How do you decide whether it is stealing or legal entitlements?

 

[asianaussie]

I've lived in a homeless shelter, but not because I had to...

I'm not going to pretend I know what poverty is. And that's what everybody who hasn't experienced poverty should do.

Taking money away from the rich and giving to the poor...while it sounds good in theory, there are several faults in the argument...

 

[Superstar]

Extreme enough where you could buy a $1000 computer for gaming while not working and relying on your parents for everything?

Try living in a household where every penny you got had to go to bills, and sometimes even that wasn't enough.

1) It was $600 ($780ish total including monitor and some maintenence). I went for cheaper parts.
2) I used scholarship money, if I didn't have that I'd be like my little brother, saving for a year for a computer on gift money from the rest of the family and only sitting on $200.
3) My family makes enough so they're below the poverty line, and are in extreme debt on buying necessities. $16,000 on a good year combined total.

 

[NixxxoN]

Nixxxon why do you want to TAKE money from the wealthy and give it to the poor? Even disregarding the screwed up incentives (in some welfare schemes it is better to NOT work because your welfare payments will go down), why not let rich people voluntarily give to charities (if they want to).

In my opinion there are some truly poor people that really can't support themselves, and I support helping them through voluntary charity. But many of the so called poor people in the US have homes and TVs. They should have to work to support themselves. But either way, no one is entitled to have money that is taken from others.

Thats the part I was talking about.
Most of people just dont have the studies or dont have the chance to get better jobs and get more money. Also, someone MUST have ****ty jobs, because they are part of this working world and someone has to have them.
And by helping those poor people you also help the whole economy, because they use the money better while rich people just have too much money, i mean, they dont need it or spend it on really really unnecessary stuff.

A great example of clever tax policy: In finland, if a rich person gets a traffic infraction, he has to pay depending of his income, for example he could pay the equivalent of 1000 euros while a poor person would only pay 100.

And @ Superstar: It's both by using free electricity and by selling the rest.

 

[Gammelnorsk]

Raise your hand if you've ever had to live in a homeless shelter!

*Raises hand*

lol

always make sure to time ur showers

dont wanna get OOGLED

 

[DMoogle]

lol

always make sure to time ur showers

dont wanna get OOGLED

Uh the place I was at definitely had stalls...

 

[Superstar]

And by helping those poor people you also help the whole economy, because they use the money better while rich people just have too much money, i mean, they dont need it or spend it on really really unnecessary stuff.

I don't agree with the usage, but if this was fixed up, this actually involves the marginal propensity to consume. Rich people save more than poor people, so if the purpose was to get it spent, tax cutting/rebate the poor people gives a larger boost than tax cutting/rebating the rich.

And @ Superstar: It's both by using free electricity and by selling the rest.

Ah, explains it. Selling though? Are they ACTUALLY giving electricity, or is it just a law involving excess? If its the earlier...how do heck do they get it sent? Can't be over the power cables. Do they sell some charged capacitors or?