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[Shroob]

Impidimp?

More like

Impidoesnt-exist

 

[ZephyrZ]

Sorry, I don't buy that for two reasons. One is, Dynamaxing is nothing more than simply scaling models (unless GF is too incompetent to know how to scale models on the fly and has a separate model for each Pokemon, in that case, RIP filesize) and that's something even the 3DS could've handled. Simply changing a models size isn't taxing on the hardware, as it doesn't improve the model at all. The poly count, textures, animations, bone structure, etc all stay the same.

Secondly, if they want to give a sense of scale, why did they get rid of the one feature of Let's Go that everyone wanted to carry over into the main games, namely realistically sized in-battle models? We've already seen the models are back to being 3DS sized when in battle, when even Colosseum got that right. And before you say that, for example, a Wailord would undermine the sense of scale of Dynamaxing, then that just proves it's a stupid gimmick where compromises had to be made just to have it appear special.

In short, no matter how you slice it, it's just another one of GF's battle gimmicks that will be gone next generation. First they already were phasing out Mega Evolutions in Gen 7 by making the post-game while not adding any new ones (Ultra Necrozma being arguably an exception, but even then it's up to interpretation) and now they got rid of Z-Moves. And with how they stated that Dynamaxing is is more or less tied to Galar, we probably won't see a return of it next gen either. I wish they'd focus more on stuff that sticks around instead of one-off gimmicks just to force something to make a region feel special. Megas were a step in the right direction, even if they got kinda whack with ORAS giving us Rayquaza, who doesn't need a stone, as well as the ability to have both Primals on the same team with no restrictions. Instead of ditching them, I'd rather have that they had tried to rebalance that mess.

And speaking of one-offs, that's also why I'm not to big of a fan of Alola and Galar forms. It's not that I dislike the Pokemon, but that they are way too tied to their specific regions to appear anywhere else. I mean, it's right in their names even. So unless they decided to let us visit Alola and Galar in future generations, we're back to being stuck with their base forms. Granted, Let's Go let us get them via in-game trade, but it just feels much less personal, not to mention, if SM is any indications, we can't breed for the specific mon and what we get will always be tied to the region the game takes place, no matter if it's, for example, a normal or an Alola Meowth. Even if you breed a normal Meowth in SM, you'll still get A-Meowth.

Well, that's enough ranting for me for now. And on a slightly related note, the first reviews of Little Town Hero are out now.

Geez, you can't say anything about Pokemon these days without setting someone off on a rant. I wasn't even defending dynamaxing! I'm actually pretty unimpressed by it myself.

First of all, scaled models do seem to be back from Let's Go. It's hard to tell in the combat since most of it has showcased pokemon of around the same size, but if you look at the wild area trailer you can see a Gyarados dwarfing a Frislish and a gigantic Golurk with a tiny Ghastly and Duskull nearby. The pokemon we do seem in battle It's been observed that all pokemon dynamaxed pokemon grow to the same size, but that kind of makes sense from a development standpoint - having dynamaxed pokemon to scale would either make some too small or too big.

Anyway I'm no game design expert but surely there's more to making a Pokemon huge then simply polygon count, right? Sun and Moon were already pushing the 3DS's hardware to its absolute limit, and I sincerely doubt supersizing a pokemon wouldn't cause more strain on it.

But regardless, I'm not defending dynamaxing. I think its an underwhelming gimmick as well. I'm just trying to understand GF's reasoning without being needlessly cynical. They probably think dyamaxing is a really cool feature worth putting at the forefront of their advertising. You and I may disagree with that, but I don't think its impossible to understand where they're coming from. In fact reception to dynamaxing was fairly warm until the natdex controversy surfaced.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Spoiler

I told the truth but like damn that hot me harder than I expected. Like, I knew she was going to take it rough but seeing her become human for just a second to only say goodbye was pretty heartbreaking not gonna lie.

This games great.

Spoiler

When you talk to the party in The Strand they say things about Shell and Eriks is the best. He said in a way "lets get out of here, it gives me the creeps. Its like time has stopped....Just like it stopped for Michelle"

 

[Noipoi]

Impidimp?

More like

Impidoesnt-exist

For his crimes during the stream he’s been banished to the shadow-shadow realm.

 

[BlueMonk]

damn people get really salty about gen 1 lol

like I get feeling down that other gens might be missing out but its one trailer and we already know that there are gen 8 pokes that can gigagigamantamax anyways so clearly it isn't just gen 1

 

[Shroob]

damn people get really salty about gen 1 lol

like I get feeling down that other gens might be missing out but its one trailer and we already know that there are gen 8 pokes that can gigagigamantamax anyways so clearly it isn't just gen 1

Tbh, it's because gen1 nostalgia isn't natural, it's forced.

Pokemon company loves shoving in Gen1 as much as they can and, I'm sorry but Gen 1 just isn't my favorite gen.

 

[Noipoi]

I kinda love fatchu, longcat and flaming zard.

With that said, give a gen 5 mon something you cowards.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Zinith you'll be happy to know that I just added Yoshi to my list of mains

 

[Lamperouge]

Speaking of Infernape and Empoleon...

Where in the hell are my gen 4 remakes at, GF?!

 

[Noipoi]

Speaking of Infernape and Empoleon...

Where in the hell are my gen 4 remakes at, GF?!

November 14th 2020, that’s where.

 

[Shroob]

I think people would appreciate gen1 pandering if it felt more natural.

Compare:

A bunch of people online coming together, talking about something they loved growing up, and getting a revival out of it

To

"Ey boi. Ya like gen1? Course ya do, everyone loves gen1."

 

[Lamperouge]

November 14th 2020, that’s where.

Nah, that's probably when they hit us with Sword and Shield 2.

 

[Sour Supreme]

November 14th 2020, that’s where.

Source me up.

 

[Noipoi]

Source me up.

No official source, but Paul Ryan (who deals with Pokémon merch) saw that in 2020 there’s some Sinnoh merch coming. So I’m just kinda assuming the best.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

tbh, gen 1 probably has some of the weaker batch of pokemon introduced throughout the series..

Sure, you got classics like Pikachu, Eevee, and I do love me the Vulpix line,

but wow a lot of them feel like filler and I completely forget they exist at some points.

Like I keep having to remind myself that Tangella and Seel were Gen 1

you can tell that they were still trying to hone their skills at that point.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

I think people would appreciate gen1 pandering if it felt more natural.

Compare:

A bunch of people online coming together, talking about something they loved growing up, and getting a revival out of it

To

"Ey boi. Ya like gen1? Course ya do, everyone loves gen1."

The Gen 1 pandering never bothered me. I just seem each Pokemon as a Pokemon. I don't really associate them with their generations.

 

[BlueMonk]

Tbh, it's because gen1 nostalgia isn't natural, it's forced.

Pokemon company loves shoving in Gen1 as much as they can and, I'm sorry but Gen 1 just isn't my favorite gen.

Well, regardless of being gen 1 or not, all the pokemon in this trailer are pretty popular. It's not like they revealed gigantamax tangela or something. My main point is that we've already seen gigantamaxing goes beyond gen 1 but people are freaking out as if they just confirmed every giant form will be gen 1

We haven't seen all the forms yet, and considering obstagoon exists I think it's pretty likely it won't just be kanto

my other main point is that seeing people get disproportionately angry over every thing that gets revealed is kind of funny lol

 

[Sour Supreme]

I'm really not a big fan of Pokemon that are just personified objects that would otherwise be inanimate. And I don't mean Rotom, I mean like, the food ones.
Like am I the only one that finds these dudes lame?

 

[Wademan94]

I’m just happy to see no one giving the Primarina line any crap.

 

[ZephyrZ]

I mean, I don't think most of the pokemon are bad choices for gigantamax.

Pikachu and Eevee are mascots, so they get special treatment.

Meowth has had an iconic roll in the anime for a long time, so he's been overdue for some special treatment in the games.

Beedrill got a mega that was actually pretty good before while Butterfree got nothing. Although now that megas are gone...a soul for a soul I guess?

Charizard seems a bit excessive though, even if the design is growing on me.

I think people would appreciate gen1 pandering if it felt more natural.

Compare:

A bunch of people online coming together, talking about something they loved growing up, and getting a revival out of it

To

"Ey boi. Ya like gen1? Course ya do, everyone loves gen1."

Surely you haven't forgotten genwunning already, have you Shroob?

I feel like they're partly at fault here.

 

[Deleted member]

Trailer's out now

I was hopeful, but not gonna lie, these designs are a little dissapointing.

I mean, look at Pikachu and Eevee. Pikachu is just chubbier and Eevee's "mane" is bigger. That's the only difference.

I'm not mad, but these designs are pretty underwhelming.

 

[Noipoi]

I’m just happy to see no one giving the Primarina line any crap.
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They’re the second best Alola starters, behind the Litten line.

I never got why Popplio was **** on so much.

 

[Sour Supreme]

That's the only difference.

No no no, you're missing something here.

THEY'RE REALLY BIG.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I'm really not a big fan of Pokemon that are just personified objects that would otherwise be inanimate. And I don't mean Rotom, I mean like, the food ones.
Like am I the only one that finds these dudes lame?

I like normal Alcreamie. She’s cute.

 

[nessdeltarune00]

Alright, if these were our final two fighters passes (assuming Ryu Hayabusa is our final character for pass 1) how would this board react?

1. Phoenix Wright
2. Doom Slayer
3. Crash Bandicoot
4. Scorpion
5. Reimu

1. Monokuma
2. Jill Valentine/Leon Kennedy
3. Master Chief
4. Heihachi
5. Sora

 

[Wademan94]

Yeah Charizard is basically the favorite child of the bunch, but you gotta admit that his Gigantamaxed design looks pretty badass.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Alright, if these were our final two fighters passes (assuming Ryu Hayabusa is our final character for pass 1) how would this board react?

1. Phoenix Wright
2. Doom Slayer
3. Crash Bandicoot
4. Scorpion
5. Reimu

1. Monokuma
2. Jill Valentine/Leon Kennedy
3. Master Chief
4. Heihachi
5. Sora

I'd sooner question how Monokuma would even work

 

[Cosmic77]

Most of the Gen I Pokemon who we see most frequently are exactly who you'd expect to get promoted. Pikachu, Eevee, Meowth, Charizard, the starters, Gengar, Dragonite, Mewtwo - the usual.

I think "Everyone knows who these Pokemon are. Let's promote them." is closer than, "Everyone loves these Pokemon. Let's promote them". Game Freak is just taking advantage of their most iconic Pokemon. Pikachu and Charizard are probably two of the most effective Pokemon they have when it comes to attracting casuals who don't keep up with Pokemon.

 

[ZephyrZ]

I'm really not a big fan of Pokemon that are just personified objects that would otherwise be inanimate. And I don't mean Rotom, I mean like, the food ones.
Like am I the only one that finds these dudes lame?

No, there's plenty of people out there who share your opinion.

However, Vanilluxe is actually one of my sister's favorites. Everyone has different taste.

 

[Sour Supreme]

Alright, if these were our final two fighters passes (assuming Ryu Hayabusa is our final character for pass 1) how would this board react?

1. Phoenix Wright
2. Doom Slayer
3. Crash Bandicoot
4. Scorpion
5. Reimu

1. Monokuma
2. Jill Valentine/Leon Kennedy
3. Master Chief
4. Heihachi
5. Sora

Turning the Social into the Speculation, I see. I would be pretty content with this lineup, I suppose. Not huge on Chief although I was a big Halo fan. Sora, Heihachi, Jill, Doom, and Phoenix are all welcome on my roster. Scorpion would be sick but I don't know that we would get a Mortal Kombat character.

Everyone has different taste.

I see what you did there, even if you didn't mean to do it.

 

[Deleted member]

Geez, you can't say anything about Pokemon these days without setting someone off on a rant. I wasn't even defending dynamaxing! I'm actually pretty unimpressed by it myself.

I never said you are defending it, I'm replying to you saying it's meant to showcase the jump in hardware and why that doesn't make sense. Big difference.

First of all, scaled models do seem to be back from Let's Go. It's hard to tell in the combat since most of it has showcased pokemon of around the same size, but if you look at the wild area trailer you can see a Gyarados dwarfing a Frislish and a gigantic Golurk with a tiny Ghastly and Duskull nearby. The pokemon we do seem in battle It's been observed that all pokemon dynamaxed pokemon grow to the same size, but that kind of makes sense from a development standpoint - having dynamaxed pokemon to scale would either make some too small or too big.

We've seen Tyrnitar both in a battle and on the overworld and no, it is downsized when in battle, noticeably so. You can't have a better comparison than showcasing the same Pokemon in two different scenarios.

Anyway I'm no game design expert but surely there's more to making a Pokemon huge then simply polygon count, right? Sun and Moon were already pushing the 3DS's hardware to its absolute limit, and I sincerely doubt supersizing a pokemon wouldn't cause more strain on it.

My entire point is that making a Pokemon huge has no bearing on the model at all. It's as simple as taking the root bone and multiplying its size by whatever you want, the model, animations, etc. are all unaffected. So whether a Pokemon is big or normal has no influence on how well the hardware can render it, hence why even a 3DS could handle resizing those.

But regardless, I'm not defending dynamaxing. I think its an underwhelming gimmick as well. I'm just trying to understand GF's reasoning without being needlessly cynical.

Pointing out facts is not being cynical, it's being realistic. And if Dynamaxing really is GF's way to showcase the jump in hardware, then it's just sad, because a big model is not more taxing than a small one. It's not like a big model will suddenly increase in poly-count. The only stuff that could, in theory affect performance by resizing, are effects like Moltres' wings, depending on how those are handled.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Most of the Gen I Pokemon who we see most frequently are exactly who you'd expect to get promoted. Pikachu, Eevee, Meowth, Charizard, the starters, Gengar, Dragonite, Mewtwo - the usual.

I think "Everyone knows who these Pokemon are. Let's promote them." is closer than, "Everyone loves these Pokemon. Let's promote them". Game Freak is just taking advantage of their most iconic Pokemon.

Exactly, they're taking advantage by stealing their wages to become billionares. Fellas, we need to unionize Pokemon

 

[StormC]

>click thread
>unironically see ICE CREAM POKEMON LOLOLOLOL

Anti-Unova camp stay losing.

 

[Noipoi]

Alright, if these were our final two fighters passes (assuming Ryu Hayabusa is our final character for pass 1) how would this board react?

1. Phoenix Wright
2. Doom Slayer
3. Crash Bandicoot
4. Scorpion
5. Reimu

1. Monokuma
2. Jill Valentine/Leon Kennedy
3. Master Chief
4. Heihachi
5. Sora

I think these dinguses would be pretty alright with that, actually.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Alright, if these were our final two fighters passes (assuming Ryu Hayabusa is our final character for pass 1) how would this board react?

1. Phoenix Wright
2. Doom Slayer
3. Crash Bandicoot
4. Scorpion
5. Reimu

1. Monokuma
2. Jill Valentine/Leon Kennedy
3. Master Chief
4. Heihachi
5. Sora

I really don't care for any of these characters, but I'd be fine with it. A new character is a new character. I'll take it.

 

[Deleted member]

I’m just happy to see no one giving the Primarina line any crap.
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Why would I give the best Alola starter any crap?

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

>click thread
>unironically see ICE CREAM POKEMON LOLOLOLOL

Anti-Unova camp stay losing.

I mean, let's be honest, every single Generation has a couple bad designs and... I think Ice Cream is a legit bad design.

 

[StormC]

I mean, let's be honest, every single Generation has a couple bad designs and... I think Ice Cream is a legit bad design.

It's not.

 

[Cosmic77]

Exactly, they're taking advantage by stealing their wages to become billionares. Fellas, we need to unionize Pokemon

...

What are you talking about? What does that have anything to do with my explanation on why Gen I Pokemon continue to get promoted?

 

[Deleted member]

I hope I don't see like I'm saying "POKEMAN BAD" by saying I'm disappointed with these new designs.