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[Aurane]

I played Pokemon for many years and it was never because they looked stunning.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

What do you guys think about sword and shield? In general i've heard alot more complaints than positive comments, what's everyone upset about besides the national dex thing?

Personally don't care about the whole Dex thing, my bigger issue is that it doesn't seem like it's changing things up as drastically as I'd have wanted it to, from everything we've seen it looks like a fairly standard Pokémon adventure, and I hoped for more than that. The one new thing in it that I really like is the Wild Area, hopefully for the next games they'll expand it to the entire region and just scratch oldschool routes altogether, that's the kind of stuff I'd like to see from a console Pokémon game.

Hopefully the next presentation has something that makes me a bit more hopeful for it, if it's just new Pokémon + Characters + Evil team, then whatever. Pokémon was already getting stale in Gen 6 imo, so there really has to be something special about these games for me to really get excited, especially after seeing how other franchises have been so ambitious and innovative in their jump to the Switch.

 

[TheMightyP]

Also, one look at the Pokemon twitter's replies, and they're just NOW getting annoyed with #BringBackNationalDex?

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Found this:

ぷり pic.twitter.com/ubXdz8PVOe

— もの (@monomono1998) August 4, 2019

Is cute. That is all.

 

[Noipoi]

Found this:
Is cute. That is all.

Look at this goddess

And Palutena’s there too I guess

 

[RandomAce]

I think it has promise. People are just focusing on one negative (Dex) and using it to draw attention to other problems that've existed long before SwSh (subpar graphics, reused animations, etc.).

People will get over the Dex issue eventually, even if they deny that they will if you asked them today. As more info gets released, people will slowly get more hyped for the game, and the positive opinions will be more frequent.

That’s because there “is” a connection.

People already had concerns over the graphics and how it seemed subpar at some points compared to some other switch games that have been trying to best to innovate. Then, when Matsuda claimed that some Pokémon were not returning for improved animations and what not, and there not really being any, people snapped. Many fans were already dealing with some of the main games’s bull**** such as their incompetent coding, constant removal of beneficial features, pretty lifeless animations that get reused, etc.

When the console games, which are supposed to be this big leap for Pokémon by being on much better hardware, comes up with the same issues with the same lifeless animations, same character models but res-ed up, relatively unchanged gameplay, and with the only improvements so far being some of the scenery of some locations, for the removal of some Pokémon, yeah, people are going to call it out.

I honestly don’t mind there being no national dex (unless all of my favorites somehow don’t get in), what I do mind is that SwSh is playing it too safe and doesn’t improve many of the problems many of the previous 3DS games had before, and many fans are finally opening up and rallying the criticism that is justifiable.

Aside from the improvements to the looks of some of the locations, and some new Pokémon, maybe the more balanced gigamax feature (which I’m not really a fan of), and the Wild Area, so far it seems to be just your standard Pokémon game. Enjoyable, yes, but disappointing considering it’s the first console main line game and shows GameFreak’s flaws when it comes to developing the Pokémon games.

I hope I’m wrong, and that at the end maybe some of these points become null either with this game or another version of SwSh, but it’s not looking too likely.

 

[dezeray112]

There were plenty of cool reveals at EVO, mostly reveals of DLC for the games that were there. It's a lot more niche than something like E3, and that's to be expected.

Well, I wasn't really anticipating much on Smash news at EVO.

Anyways whilst it is a shame that Street Fighter V's new characters got leaked early, I do wish they would consider making something fresh from their fighting game department.

 

[Opossum]

What do you guys think about sword and shield? In general i've heard alot more complaints than positive comments, what's everyone upset about besides the national dex thing?

I don't want to be overly negative today at the risk of making the mood worse for people, so I'll withhold giving a full answer.


Right now I'm on the penultimate map of Edelgard's route and my god this one's a toughie. Like, I see what I need to do but it's a matter of doing it in time that's the trick.

Spoiler: Edelgard Endgame

My general plan is to have Ferdinand go east to kill Sylvain on enemy phase with the Spear of Assal while dodging both him and the demonic beasts, having Linhardt warp Byleth and Edelgard (with help of Dorothea's dancing) over the river to take out Mercedes and the-generic-Bolting-Gremory-that-replaced-Annette-since-I-recruited-her respectively, and then have Edelgard make her way over to Dedue before he transforms through the use of Raging Storm spam. Then Byleth and Edelgard converge on Dimitri while Hubert, Bernadetta, and Ferdinand pick off the stragglers and Linhardt and Dorothea provide support.

The issue is actually doing this without something going horribly wrong, and doing it before either Dedue transforms or Rhea and her reinforcements arrive.

My risks are calculated but I'm bad at math.

 

[Cosmic77]

Personally don't care about the whole Dex thing, my bigger issue is that it doesn't seem like it's changing things up as drastically as I'd have wanted it to, from everything we've seen it looks like a fairly standard Pokémon adventure, and I hoped for more than that. The one new thing in it that I really like is the Wild Area, hopefully for the next games they'll expand it to the entire region and just scratch oldschool routes altogether, that's the kind of stuff I'd like to see from a console Pokémon game.

Hopefully the next presentation has something that makes me a bit more hopeful for it, if it's just new Pokémon + Characters + Evil team, then whatever. Pokémon was already getting stale in Gen 6 imo, so there really has to be something special about these games for me to really get excited, especially after seeing how other franchises have been so ambitious and innovative in their jump to the Switch.

I think you don't have to worry just yet. So far, we've only gotten three trailers for the game, which is nothing compared to previous entries. There's still a lot to be shown off, and just looking at what little we already know, I can easily tell this game will be handled better than XY. To what extent, I don't know, but I'm hopeful.

Also, one look at the Pokemon twitter's replies, and they're just NOW getting annoyed with #BringBackNationalDex?

People have been getting annoyed since June. It's just that more and more people have moved on and the people who persist are coming across as stubborn and obtuse.

 

[Aurane]

I don't want to be overly negative today at the risk of making the mood worse for people, so I'll withhold giving a full answer.

There is the state of where Pokemon discussion is at. Everything is already on the table, it's all been discussed, yet it will still infuriate somebody.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

What do you guys think about sword and shield? In general i've heard alot more complaints than positive comments, what's everyone upset about besides the national dex thing?

ive pretty much lost intrest in the game now

 

[Deleted member]

Sword and Shield is going to be fine. Not great. Just fine. They're really just pushing out these games because they know people are going to buy them anyway at this point.

 

[Noipoi]

ive pretty much lost intrest in the game now

I’ve pretty much lost interest in YOUR FACE














Yeah, I’m pretty gamer.

 

[Deleted member]

Man that’s terrible.

Do you uh...

Would you happen to know if any credit card information was leaked?

Like the 16 digit code, the expiration date, and the three wacky numbers on the back?

Just asking.

Databases like those typically don't store that kind of info, just phone numbers, names, addresses, etc.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

My risks are calculated but I'm bad at math.

Byleth: *shakes his head* "F. not the meme, your grade"

 

[Noipoi]

Databases like those typically don't store that kind of info, just phone numbers, names, addresses, etc.

Dammit-I mean uh

Uh

How good...for them.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Here’s my take on SwSh.

Overall, I’m excited. I’m excited to have another new region to explore, with a whole new cast of Pokémon to catch, and a whole new story with characters to meet.
I’m bummed out about the national dex, and I think there reasons aren’t great.

Visually the game looks ok. It doesn’t look bad. It doesn’t look great for the hardware. That’d be fine, if they didn’t cite “high quality” graphics as the reason they’re cutting the Pokédex.
I’d be fine with less Pokémon but amazing graphics and new models/animations, or all Pokémon with ok graphics and reused models/animations.
We’re getting less Pokémon with ok graphics and reused models/animations. And Mega Evolutions cut in favor of “BIG.”

That being said, the wild areas look really fun to explore, and it’s still “a new Pokémon game in HD for the Switch” so I’ll be excited, despite it being just another new generation with some pros and some cons.


At the same time, I’d also be excited for another pretty linear, story-driven Zelda game like Skyward Sword for Switch.
I’d also be excited for Mario 3D World 2 with recycled assets and new level design.
I’d also be excited for another normal Smash game with some new characters and cuts.
I’d also be excited for another basic Fire Emblem game but for Switch.

But I didn’t get those. Instead, each of those series took big steps to break down what makes those series great, and to build new experiences that blow the last few entries out of the water and really breath new life into those series and evolve them. And everybody loved it, and you can see the passion to not only make something new, but to make something better in each of those games.

Pokémon, despite making more money than all those series, isn’t doing that, and is just opting for another new generation like we’ve gotten since the series started, and I can’t help but find that a little disappointing.

 

[Deleted member]

Here’s my take on SwSh.

Overall, I’m excited. I’m excited to have another new region to explore, with a whole new cast of Pokémon to catch, and a whole new story with characters to meet.
I’m bummed out about the national dex, and I think there reasons aren’t great.

Visually the game looks ok. It doesn’t look bad. It doesn’t look great for the hardware. That’d be fine, if they didn’t cite “high quality” graphics as the reason they’re cutting the Pokédex.
I’d be fine with less Pokémon but amazing graphics and new models/animations, or all Pokémon with ok graphics and reused models/animations.
We’re getting less Pokémon with ok graphics and reused models/animations. And Mega Evolutions cut in favor of “BIG.”

That being said, the wild areas look really fun to explore, and it’s still “a new Pokémon game in HD for the Switch” so I’ll be excited, despite it being just another new generation with some pros and some cons.


At the same time, I’d also be excited for another pretty linear, story-driven Zelda game like Skyward Sword for Switch.
I’d also be excited for Mario 3D World 2 with recycled assets and new level design.
I’d also be excited for another normal Smash game with some new characters and cuts.
I’d also be excited for another basic Fire Emblem game but for Switch.

But I didn’t get those. Instead, each of those series took big steps to break down what makes those series great, and to build new experiences that blow the last few entries out of the water and really breath new life into those series and evolve them.

Pokémon, despite making more money than all those series, isn’t doing that, and is just opting for another new generation like we’ve gotten since the series started, and I can’t help but find that a little disappointing.

Well said, Mega Bidoof

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Of course not. It's just ridiculous to act like this issue is new to Pokemon. The games have been on handhelds up until now, so people have let the bad graphics slide by. Now we have Pokemon on Switch, and people are complaining because Let's Go and SwSh don't have PS4 (or even BotW) graphics, even though graphics have never been a strong suit for Pokemon. Oddly enough though, people are more critical toward the graphics in SwSh than they were with Let's Go. Wonder why that is? *cough Dex cough.

If you're gonna cut Game Freak some slack in any area, it should be the graphics. They've never had to worry about making Pokemon games extremely smooth and detailed before, so this is a huge transition for them. Heck, transitioning from 2D to 3D is something they're still trying to master. Let them build a little experience with these first few Pokemon games on the Switch, and see if the graphics go up from there.

I mean. Town looks pretty good. Plus, they’re the most profitable media brand in the world. They can afford to hire more help.

And again. I don’t know why I care.

 

[Cosmic77]

Even if this is the most severe case we've seen, people are still buying SwSh.

Seems like every time a new Pokemon game comes out, people say, "Yeah, I've moved on. It's not for me anymore." Then a few of their friends buy it, talk about the game nonstop, and then that person is like, "Well, I guess I could buy it and return it when I beat it, because it's definitely not worth the money." A few hours in and they're actually invested in the game.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Even if this is the most severe case we've seen, people are still buying SwSh.

Seems like every time a new Pokemon game comes out, people say, "Yeah, I've moved on. It's not for me anymore." Then a few of their friends buy it, talk about the game nonstop, and then that person is like, "Well, I guess I could buy it and return it when I beat it, because it's definitely not worth the money." A few hours in and they're actually invested in the game.

Pokkén Tournament 2 when?

Or just a Pokémon game with active battles. That would be nice.

 

[Wyoming]

What are your predictions? I’m curious.

A new feature that people will love.
Masuda will mention the Pokemon thing again for no reason.
#Dexit until release

 

[Noipoi]

I believe that Pokémon has always been slow when it comes to progression.

Very slow. We only recently got full movement removed from a grid.

I think that one day, almost a decade from now, we’ll get that big Pokémon game. But a lot of people don’t want to wait a decade. They think that big step up should be now. Especially with the jump to an HD home console. And I agree, but it is what it is.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

People like to say that GameFreak is losing say in the Pokémon company because Go and other mobile projects are outperforming the mainline games, and merch makes most of the money anyway, so the mainline games are growing more and more insignificant to the Pokémon company as a whole.
They can keep making all the merch, the mobile games, and the anime without the big console games, right?

Well answer me this, Albert Einstein.
What company actually designs all the Pokémon that get turned into merch every few years, or are featured in the newest anime and mobile games?

 

[Deleted member]

Wait.... Guys...

We’re talking about Pokemon..... And not arguing.

We need to fix this.

 

[Wario Bros.]

To me, playing video games for the graphics is like watching porn for the plot.

And I definitely don't worry about the graphics of Pokémon.

 

[Noipoi]

Wait.... Guys...

We’re talking about Pokemon..... And not arguing.

We need to fix this.

No stop it

If I see another Pokémon argument I’m deleting my account

 

[PeridotGX]

Three Houses is fun from what I've played so far.

mildly related, my little brother misheard a line of dialog in the game as "Tri-State Area", which inspired me to make this monstrosity.

Ah, Byleth the Professor. Gear up For my latest and greatest invention; the Sword-Inator!

 

[Mega Bidoof]

I believe that Pokémon has always been slow when it comes to progression.

Very slow. We only recently got full movement removed from a grid.

I think that one day, almost a decade from now, we’ll get that big Pokémon game. But a lot of people don’t want to wait a decade. They think that big step up should be now. Especially with the jump to an HD home console. And I agree, but it is what it is.

Who’s to say video games won’t be even further beyond that point in ten years?

SwSh would’ve been super impressive for something like the Wii or Wii U, but is now kinda lackluster compared to the other games we have now.
Maybe in ten years we get a BotW level Pokémon game, but all the other franchises are already beyond that, and it ends up looking lackluster.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

No stop it

If I see another Pokémon argument I’m deleting my account

Can I just say. I have no idea how Pokémon is so popular when it’s a turn based rpg. Aren’t those the super big and confusing games that casuals can’t understand?

 

[Deleted member]

Someone commissioned a plush of a character I voice.

I NEED IT.

 

[TheMightyP]

No stop it

If I see another Pokémon argument I’m deleting my account

Yeah, well, you want SnS, so your a Poopyhead Shill.

Take that you Poopyhead Shill.

 

[Noipoi]

Who’s to say video games won’t be even further beyond that point in ten years?

SwSh would’ve been super impressive for something like the Wii or Wii U, but is now kinda lackluster compared to the other games we have now.
Maybe in ten years we get a BotW level Pokémon game, but all the other franchises are already beyond that, and it ends up looking lackluster.

Oh no, I never said they’d be equal to the games of that era.

Because they won’t be. They probably never will be.

I just meant that for Pokémon standards, they’ll be pretty cool.

 

[Deleted member]

No stop it

If I see another Pokémon argument I’m deleting my account

if any of you halfwits cause Noipoi to delete his account i'm deleting you irl, understood

 

[Noipoi]

Can I just say. I have no idea how Pokémon is so popular when it’s a turn based rpg. Aren’t those the super big and confusing games that casuals can’t understand?

Pokémon is baby’s first rpg, it’s not that complicated.
Unless you get into competitive, you really only have to remember type match ups and a few abilities.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Who’s to say video games won’t be even further beyond that point in ten years?

SwSh would’ve been super impressive for something like the Wii or Wii U, but is now kinda lackluster compared to the other games we have now.
Maybe in ten years we get a BotW level Pokémon game, but all the other franchises are already beyond that, and it ends up looking lackluster.

Ive seen people compare Sword and Shield to DQXI S in regards to the open feilds which, I must say, DQ stuck a home run and ran around sword and shield several times with that

 

[kirbsmash]

I'm waiting to see the bad guys.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

To me, playing video games for the graphics is like watching porn for the plot.

And I definitely don't worry about the graphics of Pokémon.

I do agree that having a fun game is important, but if a game looks like **** but plays well, I still won’t like it.

 

[Wyoming]

To me, playing video games for the graphics is like watching porn for the plot.

And I definitely don't worry about the graphics of Pokémon.

Well ok, gameplay is the most important thing, but the graphics and models do need some polish to look interesting and pleasant to play through too.

I feel like only Nintendo fans ever utter this statement. We can have both!

 

[Mega Bidoof]

To me, playing video games for the graphics is like watching porn for the plot.

And I definitely don't worry about the graphics of Pokémon.

I play video games to have fun experiences I remember. While graphics aren’t everything, good graphics only enhance an experience.

You don’t necessarily eat ice cream for the toppings, but it makes it better, and if everyone else has toppings on their ice cream and you don’t, you can’t help but compare.

Also, it’s not completely the fact that Pokémon doesn’t look great and they’re reusing assets that people are mad about.
It’s the fact that they cut half the Pokédex, and their reason was that the games look great and they have new assets, which is objectively false.

I understand that there are over 900 Pokémon and they can’t remodel and animate ALL OF THEM at once, but the way I see it, there are two reasonable and financially feasible options.

1. Have only a portion of the Pokémon, but make the models and animations better than before.
2. Have all the Pokémon, but reuse the models and animations.

They chose to have a portion of the Pokémon, and reuse their models and animations.