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[Jun.]

one day maybe you'll grow up and realize fighting to the death for your idiotic moral battles doesn't mean anything. perception is reality, and quite frankly your perception is douche. my perception of you is crappy seller and know-it-all whom i would never want to associate with.

I don't think defending myself and others who are being wrongfully called out by you is idiotic at all. My defenses aren't baseless threats but instead completely sourced and logically constructed. I am very open to changing my thoughts and honoring my own mistakes. Feel free to tell me where my points don't make sense instead of giving excuses to why you're avoiding the topic at hand. If not, that's cool too.

I'm sorry but if perception is reality, your track record isn't even close to how you portray yourself in your posts.

 

[Adam M!]

last word .

 

[Kira-]

the customer is always right

Have you ever seen a party at a restaurant acting like douche's to a hard-working waiter? I know for a fact that some places allow even the common cashier to refuse service if the customer is being unfairly rude.

havent bothered to look at what you said but why are you even responding? the deal is done. you're either going to give me my refund or you're not. personally that's up to you and your morals; i couldn't care less. i've already made my decision: you're dead to me. sucks for you cuz i know for a fact you'll need me before i'll need you.

You are putting Jun's morals on blast but it's no more his than it is yours as well. You can belittle him for his "mistake" or you can be a man and follow through with the deal that you two made. There is no problem with the transaction unless Jun was purposely holding out on the shipment. See even if he was holding out, there was no clear evidence for you to think so and he is still following through now, which tells me that your accusations are not based on any actual wrongdoings but rather something that has occurred in your mind only. You say "perception is reality," but the way you use the phrase twists its actual meaning. The same way that "the customer is always right" has been twisted.

my perception of you is crappy seller and know-it-all whom i would never want to associate with.

How did you even arrive at this conclusion? You both lagged, you lagged on your payment and Jun was considerate enough not to create a grudge from that, despite your apparently curt responses. All of a sudden you don't want your iPod anymore when it's right in front of you? Some outside factor must be affecting your decision because this doesn't follow.

 

[Adam M!]

if you really cared about trying to get my point of view you would talk to me in some form of direct communication "like a man"

matter of fact dave why do you talk to me at all? all i do is troll you and i never take you remotely seriously =P. i am making it a point to X people out of my life who are negative influences so i will be a-okay if i never talk to you or jun again!

altho if jun doesnt send me or refund me i'll see him in court

 

[The Greater Leon]

adam is justified in wanting a refund

jun didnt pay any fees to post on facebook.
it was his choice; cash out now for $100, or wait and make $50 extra
the obvious choice is to make $50 extra

neither party communicated enough. iirc adam didnt know he was waiting for a charger.
everybody has been ****** with direct deposit before

ultimately it was a transaction between 2 friends acquaintances/smashers, where a general sense of mutual not being a douche should occur

if adam did the same thing to me i would say 'yeah ok. that sucks i waited on you for nothing, but we're friends and you can do whatever you want'

 

[Kira-]

In this case I talked to you because I didn't want someone being unfairly accused. I wasn't aware that we habitually made conversation.

I asked those questions about your point of view in order to put them in perspective. I have my own vague ideas of why you might have asked for a refund but they don't come into play, because my goal was to set everything straight not guess why you decided to do what you did or say what you said. I didn't ask if you had seen a douche at a restaurant to hear an entertaining anecdote.

As for talking on the forums, I am pretty sure this argument isn't going to hit court any time soon, and I don't see any reason to withhold statements that I have gathered from this very thread. You and Jun made it public, I'm not adding anything from outside this situation that you guys posted at all.

Plus it's not you I'm trying to convince as I'm pretty sure I won't be able to, I don't want people being misled.

 

[joeplicate]

god smashboards sux now

 

[DJMirror]

There are some stuff I bought online like Craiglist. I just bring a friend or two and go to their place of meeting, check out the item that I'm going to make purchase (like see if it's in good condition etc *most used stuff are like 65% to 90% good condition), if i don't like it I just say no thanks or if I do then I'll pay up.


Money transfer online are ********. What TGL said is true too.


EDIT - Stuff like this shouldn't be on the boards and it should between Jun and Adam IN PRIVATE

 

[Jun.]

Money transfer online are ********. What TGL said is true too.


EDIT - Stuff like this shouldn't be on the boards and it should between Jun and Adam IN PRIVATE

I'm giving him his refund. I always intended to as I posted in our first conversation.

I never intended to put this on Smashboards as I realized it has no connection (classic "he started it"). However, I am going to defend myself if someone is wrongfully accusing me of things that are completely misleading just as anyone of you would. Weak/lack of defense is what he has been preying upon throughout his years and I don't put up with it. That is all

 

[ConnorTheKid]

did ANYONE read MacD's post?

 

[The Greater Leon]

yes
and as important as it is, sadly it is off topic for the current discussion
though this one is wrapping up

im gonna try and work douche into my vernacular in hopes of replacing g.ay

 

[HyugaRicdeau]

This thread is awful now.

 

[MacD]

did ANYONE read MacD's post?

meh, getting overshadowed by something like that, i should have expected it

 

[Jun.]

this is getting kinda old, and i know people don't mean anything by it, hell sometimes even i let things slip, but on the real, constantly seeing things like what johnny just posted make me

i doubt many of you will read all of this post, but at the least read the bolded stuff and watch the youtube clip, it's all of like 30 seconds

i mean i normally don't care, but when i see people saying it like that over and over its really stupid and really is degrading on many levels

this is probably how everyone feels



but still, no harm intended doesn't mean it's ok

so please take a second and read

b) I know we are in the South, but it is extremely offensive for every other word out of smasher's mouths to be 'gay' '***' or 'homo.' While Fox running away and platform camping is not fun to play against and boring to watch (CHAD lololol), it has nothing to do with sexuality, and when you use the term gay when you mean something is negative it codifies the idea that being gay itself is bad or wrong. Language is a powerful thing and to hear an immutable characteristic about yourself being used as a derogatory slur on a constant basis is really disheartening. I really had blocked it out mentally until Ambix caught himself at this tournament and I was reminded that people need to be reminded to think before they speak.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVicCD8FmMs

Thanks for proving my point? They get their rights articulated and further protected while we have people trying to amend the constitution to deny the protections of the 14th Amendment; DOMA is still federal law and DADT is still in effect. The systemic harms towards LGBT Americans is are in no way comparable to the discrimination that disabled Americans face other than they are both immutable characteristics. No one campaigns for being able to fire people for who they are unless that person is LGBT.

It doesn't matter if the term has to explicitly reference sexuality, at the point in which it is derived from and perpetually endorses the idea that being gay is wrong or bad, that type of discourse should not be tolerated as it spreads seeds of hatred and discord.

http://www.thinkb4youspeak.com/GetInformed/

If you think there's negligible impacts to this type of discourse you're sorely mistaken. 86% of LGBT students report being verbally harassed just in their own schools. GLSEN studies have shown that there are severe social, mental and emotional impacts to the bullying and harassment that affects LGBT students today. Cyberbullying means that this harassment doesn't stop at school, leading to a sharp increase in youth suicides.

My point about subjectivity is that there isn't even a coherent standard as to which tactics are deemed 'gay' and which ones are 'legit' and cause mad styling. People *****ed out Amsah for camping Jman at pound, but if Jman camps a Peach player he is playing 'safe' and 'smart,' because Fox is a "real" character and Peach (like Sheik, Climbers, and Puff) is a "gay" character; I never said that the phrase "that's so gay" means nothing, but I've been arguing quite the opposite, that the phrase and its context (even if the intent is innocuous and not meant to be offensive) has several problematic impacts and consequences for our culture, not only as gamers, but as decent human beings.

Sorry for digressing the thread due to my own interests

Please take the time to read what MacD posted above which is becoming somewhat an epidemic. I am guilty as well =/

 

[DJMirror]

Wow @ MacD's post...


There? Happy?

now I'm going to read it.

 

[joeplicate]

haha i read it

and yet macd has "gay" like 4 times in his signature

don't worry mccain
if i ever call you "gay" know that it's a term of endearment
just like a less-prosecuted, more socially acceptable version of "n!gga"

 

[DJMirror]

I just finish reading


I'll try to be careful on what I say about it.

 

[MacD]

wow, thanks jun

@joe- lol, but in my sig, it is used as the word is supposed to be

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

Durr did you actually say the customer is always right in a situation where two Facebook friends made a trade? what a joke. also, your the one who lied and took an extra 4 days to send the money? I mean you did 100% gurantee it.

you say he's always gotta have the last word, always wants to argue his beliefs, but if I recall right you started this whole debate by letting all of swf know of the details, then he defended himself ( as would anyone if someone made them look like a ****/bad person?) and of course ends with you avoiding or ignoring posts involving you being wrongful/dumb, then just talking trash.

I know your suppose to be that hardass that doesn't give a ****, but from what ive seen and heard, you aren't like that in person, so why put so much effort to distort everyones actual 'perception' of you?

 

[pockyD]

macd's post was dumb

why are gay people so special, while calling people stuff like jew or ***** or ***** whatever gets a free pass?

definitely more important phrases to phase out first

honestly, constantly having to think about what you say instead of just spitting it out is very detrimental to fun

so just deal with it

 

[Jun.]

I think he is encompassing all derogatory terms aimed at a specific group when he mentions terms related to gay people.

And I would say larger and more general groups of people use the term "gay" wrongfully than the n word or racial slurs nowadays imho.

 

[Sub0 master]

hey guys
wuts up

 

[TaFoKiNtS]

lol @ subzero
BTW, I finally changed my account name

 

[Kira-]

just like a less-prosecuted, more socially acceptable version of "n!gga

why are gay people so special, while calling people stuff like jew or ***** or ***** whatever gets a free pass?

LOL for real, other groups are just as bad if not worse but I'm still sorry and I'll remember to check myself from now on. And if I don't then feel free to correct me.

(the lol was at joe)

 

[HyugaRicdeau]

I don't think it 'deserves a free pass' but I do think people should stop using 'gay' to refer to things that are 'cheap' or 'lame' or whatever. Not because it's offensive, but because it's just unfunny and completely unrelated to what 'gay' actually is. Usually when you call someone a 'Jew' it's because they exhibited behavior that is stereotypical of Jews. Same with ***** and n!gger. You don't call someone one of those words for behavior completely unrelated to their original connotations (generally speaking). So I think calling lame things 'gay' or someone a 'f@ggot' for engaging in such acts should go, but if you are actually using them in a way to make fun of or challenge someone's masculinity or something, then that's fine. Or at least as fine as calling a cheap person a Jew.

 

[MacD]

I like the way sheridan puts its.

macd's post was dumb

why are gay people so special, while calling people stuff like jew or ***** or ***** whatever gets a free pass?

definitely more important phrases to phase out first

honestly, constantly having to think about what you say instead of just spitting it out is very detrimental to fun

so just deal with it

Even if my post was "dumb" as you so eloquently put it pocky, it still has merit and it did it's job. Do I expect people to stop saying things, no, but there is nothing wrong with planting the seed. People are going to start catching themselves and questioning themselves when they say things, even if only occasionally.

The only time I've heard/used jew was to call someone cheap.

I don't know much about n****, but i don't use it and people don't use it around me unless they are black, and society says it's ok for them to use it so whatever.

B**** refers to a female dog and now is used as slang for other reasons. Since dogs don't exactly speak/understand humans, i can kinda understand why this word became a part of everyday slang.

What if, instead of gay, we use the word asian (since many of you out there are). So if people go around saying "that's so asian" to mean something is stupid/cheap/dumb/etc how would you feel? I'm sure they mean no harm, but would you get tired of it and might bring it to people's attention.

 

[Atlus8]

I've been getting tired of using 'g@y' for things that are 'cheap' and 'lame'!

 

[DJMirror]

It's funny when people called me gooks when it's for Korean people.

 

[LooksLikePit]

shut up you damn gook

 

[DanteFox]

Oh Sherigami, you're so edgy.

 

[Deleted member]

fuken ****

 

[DanteFox]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

lrn2profile.

;]

 

[mio]

Grow a thicker skin imo. Don't get so sensitive about words, they are just words. Your perception/interpretation of them is what causes your suffering. You are responsible for that, not the people using those words.

And if you really want people to stop using those words, you're going to have to be much more patient than you're being now, because it's going to take an amazing effort/miracle for you to change people's modern slang/terminology

****/****

 

[Sub0 master]

macd dunt touch my bro!!

 

[JDM]

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

 

[LooksLikePit]

Grow a thicker skin imo. Don't get so sensitive about words, they are just words. Your perception/interpretation of them is what causes your suffering. You are responsible for that, not the people using those words.

Listen to mio! He has lots of experience with this subject.

 

[A Pimp Named Slickback]

I like the way sheridan puts its.



Even if my post was "dumb" as you so eloquently put it pocky, it still has merit and it did it's job. Do I expect people to stop saying things, no, but there is nothing wrong with planting the seed. People are going to start catching themselves and questioning themselves when they say things, even if only occasionally.

The only time I've heard/used jew was to call someone cheap.

I don't know much about n****, but i don't use it and people don't use it around me unless they are black, and society says it's ok for them to use it so whatever.

B**** refers to a female dog and now is used as slang for other reasons. Since dogs don't exactly speak/understand humans, i can kinda understand why this word became a part of everyday slang.

What if, instead of gay, we use the word asian (since many of you out there are). So if people go around saying "that's so asian" to mean something is stupid/cheap/dumb/etc how would you feel? I'm sure they mean no harm, but would you get tired of it and might bring it to people's attention.

he wasn't referring to your usage of the word jew or *****, he was commenting on how there are more offensive terms that should be phased out of use in the English language, words more offensive than gay.

The fact that you think it's not okay to use gay as a derogatory term while you still use ***** or jew is a direct manifestation of your hypocrisy. It says that it's not okay to call someone gay, but it is okay to call them a jew *****, which brings me to the second point. In all your words, you still didn't address Pocky's question of why should gays should receive special treatment.

Are gay people better than *****es and jews?

 

[pockyD]

I don't think it 'deserves a free pass' but I do think people should stop using 'gay' to refer to things that are 'cheap' or 'lame' or whatever. Not because it's offensive, but because it's just unfunny and completely unrelated to what 'gay' actually is. Usually when you call someone a 'Jew' it's because they exhibited behavior that is stereotypical of Jews. Same with ***** and n!gger. You don't call someone one of those words for behavior completely unrelated to their original connotations (generally speaking). So I think calling lame things 'gay' or someone a 'f@ggot' for engaging in such acts should go, but if you are actually using them in a way to make fun of or challenge someone's masculinity or something, then that's fine. Or at least as fine as calling a cheap person a Jew.

I like the way sheridan puts its.

Even if my post was "dumb" as you so eloquently put it pocky, it still has merit and it did it's job. Do I expect people to stop saying things, no, but there is nothing wrong with planting the seed. People are going to start catching themselves and questioning themselves when they say things, even if only occasionally.

The only time I've heard/used jew was to call someone cheap.

I don't know much about n****, but i don't use it and people don't use it around me unless they are black, and society says it's ok for them to use it so whatever.

B**** refers to a female dog and now is used as slang for other reasons. Since dogs don't exactly speak/understand humans, i can kinda understand why this word became a part of everyday slang.

What if, instead of gay, we use the word asian (since many of you out there are). So if people go around saying "that's so asian" to mean something is stupid/cheap/dumb/etc how would you feel? I'm sure they mean no harm, but would you get tired of it and might bring it to people's attention.

if it catches on it catches on

the "meaning" of a word or phrase is whatever society interprets it to mean (like how "literally" means "virtually" )

if people interpret "gay" to mean approximately the same thing in some context (and I'd argue that we do), then that's what it means

it's not some weak catchphrase that a few randoms are trying to get widely accepted; it's something that IS widely accepted

as for the original post, I definitely saw it earlier but thought it was hilarious that a page and a half went by without anyone addressing it at that point (which should accentuate what a pointless idea it is). it would've been so much better if connor had never drawn attention to it

 

[Tee ay eye]

what would be good words to say in lieu of gay and f@g?

 

[Deleted member]

edit: never mind