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So I guess ICs are "S Tier" now :) / :( ?
- Thread starter momochuu
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FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
this. plus i just got Condemned for the 360 so i'll be getting a **** load of achievements before dream time, Mr. B.... wait, thats not right....
Sieguest
Smash Master
THE HECK!
ya'll are insomniacs...
(it's past my bedtime now...so Imah sleep
)
ya'll are insomniacs...
(it's past my bedtime now...so Imah sleep
)
r3d d09
Smash Master
Meh, i'm not the arguing type, so i'm going to stop.
Dang,swine flew >.>
I went through Park City when swine flew was at it's peak of deaths and Park City had the highest number of accounted people that was positive for swine flew. ha.
My professor today said if we get sick, to not attend class. the college will be lenient with the attendance policy... I think I might be getting sick a few times this up and coming month + next xD
anyways. get better man <3
... us IC mains are weird i must say.
and actually... it's 11 here. so you sir are lying
to share my recent experience. I was talking to her girl i like, her name is Anna, you might know what's coming now xD. I was talking to her and i called her Nana a few times >. > she understands and we just laugh about it. haha
Stop drinking
perverted thoughts keep you up at night. haha. Jk <3
r3d d09
Smash Master
... But you're Mr. Texas.
of course you have a hard time beating yourself... errr. don't take that out of context.
just don't mindgame yourself and you're good
of course you have a hard time beating yourself... errr. don't take that out of context.
just don't mindgame yourself and you're good
lain
Smash Master
chirumiruuuuuu
man that was horrible but kinda catchy.
in other news it looks like i'll be paying a visit to the ol' king of the mews this weekend in a tourney in ohio. wish me luck guys!
man that was horrible but kinda catchy.
in other news it looks like i'll be paying a visit to the ol' king of the mews this weekend in a tourney in ohio. wish me luck guys!
IxxI
Smash Fence
I also have a tourny this Sunday. Wish me luck guys!
@lain
Good luck!
@lain
Good luck!
penguin_and_panda
Smash Apprentice
It's me again! Anyway, I've been playing brawl (ive never played the first smash bros or melee) for about 2 months and since I've been swapping mains so I haven't really excelled in the game. Anyway, on my first time using ICs (as in first day, so I practiced a few grabs) and I fought a lvl 9 ganondorf (I don't have wifi). Unfortunately I lost, with ganon on his last stock and 100%. Should I be worried?
penguin_and_panda
Smash Apprentice
No I fought Ganon and lost: him on his last stock and 100% when he killed me. Thats what I mean
EverAlert
Smash Master
I know.
I was referring to CPUs learning over time from human matches.
beast human ganon -> cpu ganon learns -> beast cpu ganon -> cpu ganon beasting
In retrospect probably not the best of jokes.
I was referring to CPUs learning over time from human matches.
beast human ganon -> cpu ganon learns -> beast cpu ganon -> cpu ganon beasting
In retrospect probably not the best of jokes.
Prawn
Smash Master
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1. Take Mew2King's water bottle
2. Fill it up with Vodka
3. ????????
4. Profit!
Also, whenever you start to lose chant "JASON ZIMMERMAN FROM CINNIMINSIN, JASON ZiMMERMAN FROM CINNINMINSIN" or whatever the **** city he's from.
That's the new metagame vs. m2k everybody, take some notes.
Meh, i'm not the arguing type, so i'm going to stop.
Dang,swine flew >.>
I went through Park City when swine flew was at it's peak of deaths and Park City had the highest number of accounted people that was positive for swine flew. ha.
My professor today said if we get sick, to not attend class. the college will be lenient with the attendance policy... I think I might be getting sick a few times this up and coming month + next xD
anyways. get better man <3
... us IC mains are weird i must say.
and actually... it's 11 here. so you sir are lying
to share my recent experience. I was talking to her girl i like, her name is Anna, you might know what's coming now xD. I was talking to her and i called her Nana a few times >. > she understands and we just laugh about it. haha
Stop drinking
When i was posting, it was 11 at my place. Montreal, east coast time zone >.>
CPUs dont learn, they did try with a brand new wii and one whicb bad tons of play on one computer, results were similar when they made em battle.
r3d d09
Smash Master
I know swordgard. you honestly think I'm that hallow up in the cabeza?
lain
Smash Master
Well I'm gonna eff him up >:|
but m2k more
but m2k more
meepxzero
Smash Master
remember to practice cging on rc or just ban it lol.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
lol whats so hard about cging there?
its just the landing a grab part :D
its just the landing a grab part :D
i ban rc in every set xD
i just hate that stage
You have to buffer all your dthrows so you don't fall through the platforms.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
oh wow lol i see
is anyone good at tilt dthrowing
its easier in melee but in brawl its possible right?
is anyone good at tilt dthrowing
its easier in melee but in brawl its possible right?
EverAlert
Smash Master
They do learn. Just have a few Falcon 4-ways with your friends where all you do is Falcon Punch. Every second move your CPU will do after that is Falcon Punch. (I've actually done this, lol.)
Just comparing a fresh Wii to a played Wii isn't conclusive at all.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
LMAO wow
do played wiis have different ai's than fresh wii's?
do played wiis have different ai's than fresh wii's?
TigerWoods
Smash Champion
Uhm... The level of technology a computer must be at in order to recognize patterns and apply them has to be quite high. Possible, but a bit to high for junk like the wii.
I'm not saying you're lying. I'm just saying if what you say is true, then it is probably a program that tells it to copy your most used move.
Having said that, the peach cpu's have never initiated a dair combo(or approached with dair), auto-canceled, or spammed turnips at me, even though I used to play a ton of Peach cpus(before I knew they were hurting my gameplay
).I strongly doubt that cpu's learn. If anything, there is some program to copy your most used move or something... but I doubt that too.
EverAlert
Smash Master
lolwat, of course it's a program, Brawl is the program. By CPU I am talking about computer opponents in Brawl (they're actually called CPUs ingame), not the CPU hardware of the Wii. How was this not obvious? >.>
http://allisbrawl.com/blogpost.aspx?id=8848
They don't learn complicated stuff like combos, they're still stupid, they just (try to) copy what you do in situations (which from what I can tell are limited in definition, i.e. "really far away" or "trying to hit me" or "close to me, being hit"). An Ice Climbers CPU won't desync except by accident, but they'll still spam ice blocks in the hope of copying your desynched ice shot. I suppose "learning" is a bad word for it since they also copy bad habits, but it gets the point across. I.E. they don't pick up on intention, just actions.
Seriously, I thought this was common knowledge, there was even a thread on this board awhile ago. It's not a matter of belief or doubt, it is easily proven with simple tests (such as the Falcon thing; try it).
chok, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or asking a serious question. :<
http://allisbrawl.com/blogpost.aspx?id=8848
They don't learn complicated stuff like combos, they're still stupid, they just (try to) copy what you do in situations (which from what I can tell are limited in definition, i.e. "really far away" or "trying to hit me" or "close to me, being hit"). An Ice Climbers CPU won't desync except by accident, but they'll still spam ice blocks in the hope of copying your desynched ice shot. I suppose "learning" is a bad word for it since they also copy bad habits, but it gets the point across. I.E. they don't pick up on intention, just actions.
Seriously, I thought this was common knowledge, there was even a thread on this board awhile ago. It's not a matter of belief or doubt, it is easily proven with simple tests (such as the Falcon thing; try it).
chok, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or asking a serious question. :<
meepxzero
Smash Master
cging on bad stages was the way i got better at them. Theres certain safe spots to stay on at RC thatll give u an advantage. On the boat u wanna be on the top right because everyone camps there and u can ice block *** whoever whoevers on the left side or middle. When its going up u wanna go on the right side again because the left side=shuttleloop quick deaths. ummm and yea 2/3 parts of the stage are winnable by ic.
TigerWoods
Smash Champion
=( *owned*
I know that... haha. I only didn't know that the program tries to copy you.
Er, kind of what I was saying. I just thought you really didn't know that they couldn't learn(there are people >.>). Sorry about that
r3d d09
Smash Master
I would ban a map that both my main and alt cant play on... which is none. peach and IC are good everywhere combined . but i'd ban maps i hate. haha
. but i'd ban maps i hate. hahaYou know, i have yet to see any proof except for that one single falcon punch video. All hte other stuff he posted can be explained in various other ways. Notice also that he only showed a part of the whole match. Maybe it was only within a set % that falcons program was designed to falcon punch.
Remember how in melee computers used to wavedash sometimes? It has nothing to do with learning, they just have some random patterns integrated in them followed by some spacing ones, which together can sometimes give weird situations where they look like they learned something.
I am not completely convinced of this. If they do learn, people tend to overestimate how much stuff is learned and how much is pure coincidence.
EDIT: Brinstar is bad for both of your mains aint it?
TigerWoods
Smash Champion
Brinstar is an awesome pPeach stage.
r3d d09
Smash Master
see, i would ban Brinstar before i started having peach as my secondary. with peach and IC, you have no bad maps really. just personal preference.
In brawl? Really? I thought she lacked the kill moves to use it to the extent so many other chars do >.>
TigerWoods
Smash Champion
Technically, that could be said for ALL stages.
However she can do a lot of neat tricks with it, including sharking. Also opening up the umbrella doesn't spell much of a disaster since you can wait for the (acid?) to come up. Due to the float mechanic all the stage things can be used to her advantage as well. The pillars keep her f-air fresh by jabbing it etc. Also, the stage screams "turnip spam please".
It's not a godsend, but she can do trixies on it.
penguin_and_panda
Smash Apprentice
I believe that every IC in the WORLD SHOULD KNOW THIS (sarcasm). I finally beat a lvl 9, one on one with Ice Climbers!!! This is also only the second day I've been using them as a main! I even 3 stocked him (captain falcon) with 159% left O.o Unfortunately it wasn't under 3 minutes so I could record it >.<
meepxzero
Smash Master
time for me to quit smoking lulz. awful nanas make me wanna smoke -_- *has random girl problems*.