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So I guess ICs are "S Tier" now :) / :( ?

Myollnir

Smash Ace
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I don't think they'll ban the CG but I'm a bit scared...

However, there is no official discussion about banning ICs/ their CG.
But some people are like : "Hey Myollnir, you only know how to use the grab button and the directional stick". Or "The CG is broken, the opponent is struggling to bring you at high % and you just have to grab"

But yeah you're right, I'll stay ICs. But I'll train my MK. Just in case.
 

~ Gheb ~

Life is just a party
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Tell them to pick up ICs and do the same things you do then. If they can't you can tell them to stfu & gtfo

:059:
 

Rubberbandman

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I don't think they'll ban the CG but I'm a bit scared...

However, there is no official discussion about banning ICs/ their CG.
But some people are like : "Hey Myollnir, you only know how to use the grab button and the directional stick". Or "The CG is broken, the opponent is struggling to bring you at high % and you just have to grab"

But yeah you're right, I'll stay ICs. But I'll train my MK. Just in case.
Bro, people are going to hate. Its always how its going to be. Just keep it cool and ignore them.

I personally loved how you played though. <3

/back to not coming here
 

[FBC] Papa Mink

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Nah, i aint trollin'.
Im joining a bunch of socials.
It gets me more known amongst the boards and i meet cool people.

If thats the Mr. G and W i used to know, he WAS a jigglypuff.
I guess he left us. Speaking of, hey Jeff. You troll up in here?

 

Mr. game and watch

Smash Master
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Yes, yes it's me! Miiiiink!! You're the only one I liked. And tblock. Theese dudes here don't troll much. Cept my first day they said I was a troll... Nope just fresh outa jiggy boards!

Aaaand Jeniferpuff she was sexy
 

Roller

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Just follow the grime...
Got 5th today. Only set I lost with ICs was vs Mikey Lenetia's Peach. Meh. I clearly need a lot of help in the mu because he manhandled me. And Lain has to go mk to beat him, so idk wtf to do in order to improve. Granted Mikey knows the mu very well, but I'll try to record us playing next time because I def need help there.

(The other sets I lost were both to Sparta Kick #3 on our PR behind Lain and Judge, in both pools and losers bracket. And I went pika.)
 

Smoom77

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Ok I'll post my peach write up here and the matchup thread.

I have really good experience against Peach. From what I see from ILLMATIC if you're playing on somewhere like FD where there aren't platforms, all they do is float, space, and dair if you get underneath them. You have to basically run in and fullhop a nair, fastfall, and run away. If they airdodge, then do NOT fastfall or dair or whatever. They can utilt, uair, what ever. They own when you're in the air. If they pull a turnip semi-close, run in with shield to pressure and/or grab. Almost ALL of my grabs I get are when they pull turnips at the wrong time.

Smashville is very different. Same with the dair, but they can jump on the moving platform and spam turnips. Do not try to jump offstage and upair them while the platform is off the stage. They can bair you SUPER easily.

As for bans, ban either RC or Brinstar depending on the player. Illmatic, I know, loves RC against me, and he loves Brinstar against basically every character minus MK.
On Brinstar, just always be watching out for peach bombers because they can bounce off the breakable pieces and they can float off of the recoil. Stay away from them when the lava is rising, or you can pressure them with squall (if you find an opening).
On Rainbow Cruise, the first section is sorta iffy. Often Illmatic just waits on the right side and throws turnips. Just stay against that wall upair'ing/uptilt'ing and wait because if you jump then they will just jump up and dair you (and you can't do much cause you're in the air.) The second section, work really hard to staying beneath her at all times. You have a great vertical recovery so it doesn't matter if you're really low as it rises. On the pendulum thing, be pretty careful. We're both not very good here because we just suck on RC, and the tilted platform can often mess her up with her floats. Get to the next part asap. Next part is a weird BF, just play it as it is.

For CPs, do what you feel comfortable on. I like FD, BF, and YI, but I've heard that Lylat is good because of the tilt of the stage (messes up the float).

For general tricks, remember Peach can fair onto the ledge, gimp and keep Nana separated easily. If she tries to sideB (Peach bomber) to the ledge too high, dtilt which can gimp her well if she doesn't have a float.

Her fair is safe if spaced well. If they jab afterwards a well-spaced fair, roll or run away (you don't have any options). If it's misspaced, you can grab. Squall is very odd because if they DI right they can nair (which ALWAYS beats squall). I find squall useful when you're at midrange when she's pulling a turnip because she can't nair or dair. All she can do is throw her turnip (squall beats turnip if it hits the hammer (so don't squall above her)). Grounded squall is a very good mix-up, I use it a lot more often.

This is an weird idea that I've taken from Japanese ICs but I've tried fitting in some FH/double jump fairs if they float really high. It often works because why would they fair when they're floating high??

For basic basic strategies, running up to her in shield has lots of options. If they have a turnip, they will either jump, glide toss forward or back. If they jump, space a nair. Glide toss back or forward, nair/autocatch the turnip and throw it back. Often if they GC forward, the nair will hit them (you really gotta predict when they throw or else you'll fail). If they don't have a turnip, nair or turn around and bair because well spaced/timed things can beat a LOT of things.

If you're stuck in your shield in her dair, ROLL AWAY. Another option, risky though, is a buffered nair oos. If you time it differently, you can have Nana only nair while you run away (super safe as long as Peach doesn't nair because hers is faster (the reason she doesn't always nair after dair is because often she's daired several times and she's running out of float and falling nair isn't good against our shield)). ONE OTHER OPTION (but very situational) is jumping oos and buffering an up-b. It beats dair hits, but they can completely avoid it if they move after their dair.

In the past, Illmatic and I went to timer/close often, but lately we've evolved the matchup and it's really not based on the timer.

Illmatic, please comment!
 

z00ted

The Assault of Laughter ﷼
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super good write-up Smoom!

I can't really add anything.. you hit all of it. Counterpick us to Yoshi's.. we hate that stage.
 

2-DJeff

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i got 4th today lol and me and Hrnut played our tournement match to show you guys that friendly we had wasnt serious lol vids will be up soon. ^_^
 

[FBC] Papa Mink

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LOL iirc he basically rage quitted cause you guys trolled too hard. I'm still subscribed to the Jiggs social, so I check there every few days.
I always see you lurking, i've never known who you are. :D

This social got approval? Adding to display closet to attract more users. :p
:awesome: Friendship approved.

Yes, yes it's me! Miiiiink!! You're the only one I liked. And tblock. Theese dudes here don't troll much. Cept my first day they said I was a troll... Nope just fresh outa jiggy boards!

Aaaand Jeniferpuff she was sexy
Indeed she was. I miss you man! I haven't seen you there in a while, and of course we troll. We're like, one of the worst characters in the game, we have nothing else to do.

Besides win :awesome:

Got 5th today
Good stuff man.

i got 4th today lol and me and Hrnut played our tournement match to show you guys that friendly we had wasnt serious lol vids will be up soon. ^_^
Good job beating me today.
I need to learn ZSS v IC :(
 
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