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SMASHPOLL: The 2010 Federal Election

Who are you going to vote for?

  • Labor

    Votes: 5 10.4%
  • Liberal

    Votes: 4 8.3%
  • Greens

    Votes: 14 29.2%
  • Democrats

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Australian Sex Party

    Votes: 19 39.6%
  • Socialist Party

    Votes: 3 6.3%
  • Independents

    Votes: 1 2.1%
  • Family First

    Votes: 2 4.2%

  • Total voters
    48
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CAOTIC

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thanks tibi for contributing more thoroughly – appreciate it bruh. i brought the point of asking you if you knew any of the politicians personally, as a provocative reflection of the general public’s critical reaction to others, even though they are presented with something that doesn’t come close to helping fully understand the person. it happens everywhere, including the internet, with too many vague and harsh reactionary comments such as “candidate x sucks, stupid person y, doesn’t have a clue person z,” etc.

to understand where I’m coming from, i have a privilege which allows me to witness the internal functions of all tiers of government (local, state and federal) and i work closely with some ministers; i notion the skewed misrepresentation of all politicians and state ministers by the media’s style of communication – it is at odds with how they are more intimately – their high position is a clearer measure of their attributes, and their potential. this is something that is not entertained by the popular media – case in point, lynne kosky, former victorian public transport minister: by all accounts to those who have worked with her, she is an excellent individual. however, was cursed with managing the politically insalubrious public transport portfolio, which makes her easy prey for the newspapers and tv stations. we have our own public affairs branch at work to monitor 24/7 what is said about the department and manage what happens afterwards, all at the mercy of the folly created by commercial outside interests.

also, don’t get too confined with the words ‘tv edits.’ i wasn't explicitly referring to what the media directly decides what is or isn’t broadcasted, but more or less the style in which information is passed to viewers through the tv screen. it is designed to attract mainstream interest; people love watching something that features a hero and a villain. the concept of a debate or a q&a sets this up immaculately, as does an election. general opinions tend be formalised very feebly. people feel that the luxury of accessible media is enough for them to avoid answering the harder questions for themselves and a simple one hour presentation is enough to completely embrace or dismiss political efforts which are highly complex and ongoing.

i’ll respond to points about population growth and the environment later on.
 

dainbramage

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Australia as a country has plenty of water. We just built all our major cities away from where it falls and then went and declared half the wet areas national parks.
 

Mic_128

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I still like CNNNN's idea to tilt Australia so all the water in the east spreads over the whole continent.
 

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just need a few trillion dollars in investment for desalination plants and mass irrigation stream lines across the entire country (hey, if we can do some bs national broadband scheme, why not something COOLER) and then uluru will be the best place to live ever.

SUMMER WEATHER ALL THE TIME IN A TROPICAL ENVIRONMENT.
GG.
 

isthattim?

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just need a few trillion dollars in investment for desalination plants and mass irrigation stream lines across the entire country (hey, if we can do some bs national broadband scheme, why not something COOLER) and then uluru will be the best place to live ever.

SUMMER WEATHER ALL THE TIME IN A TROPICAL ENVIRONMENT.
GG.
you didn't just ripoff the NBN did you?
why are you against insanely fast internet? not like you pay tax anyways
 

Pete278

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The Communist party isn't really a party in Australia, more like a group of people who try to get votes by insulting all the other parties repeatedly, while not really having any policies.
 

unreon

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I hate how the party names are backwards.

Liberal party is not liberal? :/
Somebody called them the Coalition? :/
Labor and Liberal both start with L? :/

confuzzled :(
 

CAOTIC

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there are multiple forms of liberalism. the liberals are 'economic liberalists'
 

isthattim?

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In This Thread: cao brainwashes young people to vote greens, ignoring the proud christian heritage of this nation founded on the simple notion that a man that steals a handkerchief should be exiled from his family for 7-14 years with virtually no hope of ever returning.
by this logic, asylum seekers should have to commit a crime in their home country before they can stay in australia.
it's the only fair thing.
 

CAOTIC

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In This Thread: cao brainwashes young people to vote greens, ignoring the proud christian heritage of this nation founded on the simple notion that a man that steals a handkerchief should be exiled from his family for 7-14 years with virtually no hope of ever returning.
by this logic, asylum seekers should have to commit a crime in their home country before they can stay in australia.
it's the only fair thing.
shutup tim, before i convert you with my dazzling tactics <3 i'm going to be a politician one day and you're going to vote for me <3

thanks liam, good to know theres SOME humanitarian + just people out there... unlike tim.

embedded for glory

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CAOTIC

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yeah but not all of australia is livable. we do have room for more a few people atm. we need more infastructure for alot more. infastructure takes awhile to build so planning 100 years ahead might not be enough.
the problem is having this acurate plan for 100 years time. i can see people looking back in 100 years time and complaining that it wasn't enough or too much :/
it shouldn't really be about a number, it should be about whether we pass all the minimum criteria of being sustainable.
yeah not small australia, its sustainable.
now, where was i? oh yes, the environment. i don't think you have the right, nor an understanding, to say that australia is at capacity, or close to being at capacity, for a number of reasons:

1 - you aren't an urban planner or an infrastructure provider, like myself. infrastructure building is a long term process, but the process is expedited via adjustments made to the construction force. things can get done just as quickly as we want them -- it comes down to the forces of political will. the masters builders association claims a green vote is a vote for anti-construction, as they do not advocate for urban sprawl -- the greens will implement nationwide policies to keep growth contained within australia's existing established city centres, without encroaching on our existing natural habitats. our existing city structures already allow australians to be more pollutive than just about any other nation on earth, including the usa on a per capita basis, so enforcing an urban growth boundary will actually improve our environmental record by utilizing our existing areas and densifying them. we also increase our quality of life this way, because we dont have to drive ridiculous distances to reach critical services, nor to we need to focus on developing amenities (schools/hospitals/roads/utilities) on a quantitative basis; only a qualitative one. the affordable housing crisis is solved by lower construction costs and building cheaper units to the market -- our costs for housing are the world's highest, because the construction worker base is low -- not because of our lack of land, developed or not. 100 years is a very small scope to plan for environmentally; what can change in 100 years? our very way of life. cars weren't even around 100 years ago, nor airliners.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL9Wu2kWwSY

we have to be prepared for challenges that don't exist yet -- reactionary behaviour is a recipe for disaster guys.

2 - yourself and tibs (from earlier discussions) seem to hold a narrow-minded perspective of what it takes to conserve australia. conserving australia means to conserve on a global scale as well. environmental conservation and population control is a GLOBAL AGENDA with GLOBAL consequences. not allowing people in or out of australia doesn't solve any of the world's population problems. we'll be affected directly, regardless if we internalize our environmental agenda. progress is always initiated by leadership; not by being selfish conservative protectionist *******.

3 - do you even know what sustainability means? it means, to be in a situation where earth's resources can be sustained for future generations, in perpetuity. is australia's current practices in anything currently sustainable? we're one of the worst offenders in the world. if we manage australia, or the world as it is now, it will be unlivable in as little as a few generations. the population increase is not the problem -- it's the ways in which each individual australian pollutes and over-consume, as a collective.

it's time to start looking at things without a bias to australia only -- because the reality is, we share the same world -- the impacts of foreigers all affect our quality of lives directly, so avoiding it serves no progress.
 

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this vid is also interesting (backs up unny re: illegal immigrants)

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Wouldn't it be nice if everyone wasn't so stupid and the media didn't suck so hard. Oh well I can dream.
 

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It would be nice Liam. Unfortunately that will never ever be the case. Changing your opinion is simply much more difficult and confronting than being rock-headed in the face of fact.
 

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Andrew that statement is so depressingly true. Also I'm on 600 posts so I'll just be hanging in here for awhile.
 

unreon

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"Did You Know" video.

Really blew my mind on how much information has exploded in the recent years. Holy cow, just ten years ago I was using AltaVista to search and downloading one song took me an hour and a half.

It scares me, too. Just how much we've overrun this planet lol. Pretty intense stuff.
 

xXArrowXx

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zz i know what sustainable is -,-
and i approve this 100 years planning ahead. i just said it is hard to do.

and u haven't convinced me that majority of australian land is livable. i know that we lack alot of arigculture areas. since we have been building houses on them. even if it is "livable" people would rather city or something. national broadband could help the population spread out to rural areas. although travelling is annoying. needs better town planning :/
also
The Arid and semi-arid zone constitute over 70% of Australia's land area (James, Landsberg & Morton, 1995) which is a pain. but yeah room to build. but how long til we run out?

i am not saying no to sustainablity at all. I am saying to start small... like with the country then go global.

i didn't say not let people in :/ we need skilled labour to fill our job needs.
 
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