Smash Ultimate Leak Discussion Thread

[Fatmanonice]

You can't just dismiss the Mickey head as "three circles" because the iconography is way too strong to the point that Disney has sued freakin' art students for public depictions of their IPs that they don't agree with. That's part of the reason why the "hidden Mickeys" are a thing because they're immediately recognizable to anyone with an ioata of pop culture knowledge. The Mickey head is basically the Disney trademark in its most pure, concentrated form.

 

[ZenythSmash]

Why do so many fake leaks include Touhou Project characters? Is that series way more popular and successful than I've ever realized, or is it indicative that either the same person made all of them or that it has a small, quite dedicated fanbase that loves making fake leaks claiming that a TP character will be in Smash?

there was one guy who use to spam Reimu during the ballot season in /v/, mostly because people were trying to campaign for Shantae and Shovel Knight
since then he was still spamming the same copypasta each time Smash became relevant to discuss about, then until the people finally caught on to his ****.
that was when Touhou started to gain some traction in the Smash discussion, people started throwing her in fake leak threads and people starting eating that up easily.

also, /jp/ isn't too kind on people trying to bring Smash discussion to Touhou discussion, especially their hate for "secondary" boogeyman.

 

[Nekoo]

You can't just dismiss the Mickey head as "three circles" because the iconography is way too strong to the point that Disney has sued freakin' art students for public depictions of their IPs that they don't agree with. That's part of the reason why the "hidden Mickeys" are a thing because they're immediately recognizable to anyone with an ioata of pop culture knowledge. The Mickey head is basically the Disney trademark in its most pure, concentrated form.

That's not the point I was making.
The point I was making was that the Mickey keychain wouldn't open the floodgate for Mickey or Elsa to become fighters in Smash. The same way there no Disney stuff in the crossover that Sora did while keeping the Keyblade.
The Keyblade is inherant as Sora, and is probably part of the package deal if you get him

 

[Chrono.]

I still subscribe to my crockpot theory that Echo Fighters, despite the branding and push, were still late additions into the game just like clones have always been. Ken being the only exception.

Why would Ken be worked on before the others? Because, perhaps, he will have a small number of differences from Ryu which would necessitate more work than normal. However, because his kit would still be so heavily Ryu, you could still label him an echo and be just fine. Maybe after this Sakurai and the dev team just decide to roll with the punches and add a bunch of clones like Chrom, Dark Samus and Daisy.

Or maybe Sakurai had planned on adding Ken all this time and decided on echo fighters as a concept only after him?

None of the echoes outside of Ken and Daisy have really leaked which I find it curious, and in Daisy's case it can be inferred that she was leaked because people had outside access to the E3 Direct, as I believe she and the contents of that Direct were in a 4chan post a day or two beforehand? Clones have, historically speaking, been very late additions which is why none of the ones in 4 were in any leaks beyond ESRB.

 

[xleft]

As if keyblade's keychain would block Sora's inclusion in smash or anything. I mean if Sakurai actually wants to include him, that's just a small detail that's almost nothing in the end.

 

[Mutsukki]

Y'all acting like the Mickey keychan can't just be changed to be a Kingdom Hearts logo keychain. Really now. I do not advocate for Sora at all, nor do I feel like he's coming, but most of these points were either refuted or incredibly easy changes

 

[Pyra]

The keychain could just be replaced with a Smash logo and the keyblade could be slightly modified to match.

The slippery slope fallacy is a fallacy for a reason.

This conversation isn't about leaks anymore, is it?

 

[Nekoo]

I just wonder what's on that name list. I can imagine some stupid things like "Pampa" or "Moggle riding a Chocobo"

 

[Exalt4747]

Dixie Kong used to have a Rare pin. She no longer does. I don't think it's a big deal.

 

[Deleted member]

In fairness, you could probably just replace the keychain with a crown, as that's the KH series logo.

I will concede that I'm probably nitpicking the problems too much, lol. Sora's something I would get excited for, but my pessimistic nature will by default kick in and instantly make me doubt it and come up with ways to lower the chances. People here bring up good points, I just like to not overhype.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Here's a thing to consider too about Sora: Disney is notorious about how they want their IPs depicted and they easily have the power to enforce it. Let's just say that a mid or low tier Sora would never happen. They would be breathing down Sakurai's neck over the most microscopic details. Sakurai's approach has always been taking input from the characters' creators and respecting specific requests but ultimately designing them for Smash from the ground up. Disney would not allow that. They would want creative control and would want to supersede Sakurai because, again, they're a massive corporation and they don't do suggestions, oh no, they tell you what to do because they have a global army of lawyers that says they can.

 

[ZenythSmash]

Sadly I can’t find where this was posted but got the picture. History is this was posted back in mid April and was pretty much went under the radar. View attachment 166438

Yes, like always with pictures it’s terrible quality but I only found one video that talked about here https://youtu.be/735SR54g288 for a bit.

I’ll keep looking for which site this was posted on because since this was back in April.

that one's old
here's the source of when it was posted: https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/412221791/#412222656
and during the first time it was posted, the "leaker" claimed that Ganondorf was cut and he takes his moveset.

i have zero idea where the render came from

 

[domriver]

Guys SORA IS NOT a Square character its a Disney Character and entirely different company. Square just published it thats all.
"The logo of Kingdom Hearts utilized in merchandizing. Kingdom Hearts (Japanese: キングダム ハーツ Hepburn: Kingudamu Hātsu) is a series of crossover action role-playing games owned by Disney and developed and published by Square Enix (originally by Square). " Just googled who owns Kingdom Hearts?

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I just wonder what's on that name list. I can imagine some stupid things like "Pampa" or "Moggle riding a Chocobo"

I'd probably guess:

• Sora
• Geno
• Erdrick/Hero
• Agnés
• Lara Croft
• 2B
• Neku
• Terra Branford
• Sephiroth
• Noctis

The list could go on and on from there. Depends on how serious they are about this. Realistically I'd say about 5 are out there right now.

 

[Deleted member]

Honestly, I wouldnt be surprised, if Sora were to make it in, for his keychain to turn into the Smash logo.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Guys SORA IS NOT a Square character its a Disney Character and entirely different company. Square just published it thats all.
"The logo of Kingdom Hearts utilized in merchandizing. Kingdom Hearts (Japanese: キングダム ハーツ Hepburn: Kingudamu Hātsu) is a series of crossover action role-playing games owned by Disney and developed and published by Square Enix (originally by Square). " Just googled who owns Kingdom Hearts?

Sora is functionally a Square Enix character because he needs the approval of Tetsuya Normura to be in Smash Bros. We've had this discussion like 5 times already. Square Enix and Disney are like parents, they have joint custody in a way. Disney had a Kingdom Hearts game in development but scrapped it because Square Enix didn't like it.

SORA CAN BE THE SQUARE ENIX REP

End of discussion. Lets get back to leaks please.

 

[Nekoo]

Here's a thing to consider too about Sora: Disney is notorious about how they want their IPs depicted and they easily have the power to enforce it. Let's just say that a mid or low tier Sora would never happen. They would be breathing down Sakurai's neck over the most microscopic details. Sakurai's approach has always been taking input from the characters' creators and respecting specific requests but ultimately designing them for Smash from the ground up. Disney would not allow. They would want creative control and would want to supersede Sakurai because, again, they're a massive corporation and they don't do suggestions, oh no, they tell you what to do because they have a global army of lawyers that says they can.

Too bad it has been already said that while KH and Sora are Disney property, it's Nomura who have the final say on how it was despicted because it's his "baby" by Disney's VP own word?
And that Nomura did let free reign to Sakurai for Cloud because he himself was impressed by Sakurai's work.

Y'know, it truly more feel like people are nitpicking point just in hope that characters don't get in at this point. And are just using "Disney are satan" when they weren't for Kingdom Hearts except KH1 and Chain of memories, we're at a point, where by Nomura's own words they let him total free reign for the past few games.

I'll just skip the Sora talk now, because it's starting to get "Bandana Dee is just a gomba with a hat" tiers argument by forgetting all other points.

 

[Untouch]

While disney is hard to deal with, they aren't an unmovable juggernaut, Wreck it Ralph is in Sega Allstars Racing.

 

[staindgrey]

View attachment 166457
Explain this then:

Do you see Donald and Goofy anywhere?

Say it with me everyone:
DISNEY IS NOT A ROADBLOCK TO SORA'S INCLUSION IN SMASH BROS..

I'm merely speculating as someone with zero interest in Sora or KH because it's the current topic and I'm bored.

 

[CosmicQuark]

Honestly, I wouldnt be surprised, if Sora were to make it in, for his keychain to turn into the Smash logo.

I think Disney would object to that more than Mickey Mouse symbols. "You want to advertise your own IP, and not ours? No go." Nintendo's a big company, so I think a lot of the legal hurdles using Disney symbolism wouldn't be as problematic if Disney wanted to use their character in Smash. Disney is rich enough to where it doesn't need the free advertisement, but would still want to benefit from it.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I feel kinda stupid for not even knowing who Pampa is oops

 

[ZenythSmash]

Misconception, Vergeben posted about it first.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kappa/comm...t_new_samurai_shodown_game/dz83ftq/?context=1

If they do communicate it wouldn't be surprising if he got that from Vergeben or the other way around. It's best to take what he says with a grain of salt.

ACTUALLY, he did also leaked more in detailed stuff about SamSho.
while Vergeben also leaked Samurai Shodown, Hitagi gets credit for getting his further info correct to (the characters and running on the Unreal Engine he mention)

and remember, he also shared source information with Vergeben (and vice versa) and they both agreed the information they have is similar, making Verge lean that Steve is possibly happening:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kappa/comm...ts_new_game_by_snk_just_announced_in/e6angi6/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kappa/comm...e_by_snk_just_announced_in/e69ibt5/?context=3

 

[AnOkayDM]

The keychain could just be changed to a Smash logo or a crown like the one on his necklace if it's really that big a deal. Of all the things to nitpick, that's such a non-issue.

 

[Deleted member]

Probably for very good reason.

And what would that be? Space Invader feels like a really "Sakurai pick" imo.

Uh... Aren't Bub and Bob from Bubble Bobble also Square?
But extra points for remembering the Space Invaders

I have no idea who those are tbh

You forgot to mention 2B. One of their most recent popular characters.... for reasons.

She's owned by Square? Didn't know that, could swear it was by Platinum, but yeah, I'd put her up high.

There’s also a Star Ocean character, I feel like SO is being slept on especially with the success of Anamnesis

See: "Everyone else not mentioned"

Dragon Quest character should be higher on the list.

Eh, not really when it has all that competition above them.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I personally think at this point that Sora along with Banjo are likely DLC. I don't know why but my gut tells me Sora is gonna be in for sure.

Sora fans should be happy as a result. Geno fans get what they want and so do they.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

While disney is hard to deal with, they aren't an unmovable juggernaut, Wreck it Ralph is in Sega Allstars Racing.

That argument has been brought up many times. It is a good one, if only people would listen to it.

Here's a thing to consider too about Sora: Disney is notorious about how they want their IPs depicted and they easily have the power to enforce it. Let's just say that a mid or low tier Sora would never happen. They would be breathing down Sakurai's neck over the most microscopic details. Sakurai's approach has always been taking input from the characters' creators and respecting specific requests but ultimately designing them for Smash from the ground up. Disney would not allow that. They would want creative control and would want to supersede Sakurai because, again, they're a massive corporation and they don't do suggestions, oh no, they tell you what to do because they have a global army of lawyers that says they can.

If anyone can work with Disney to be faithful to the source material, it's Sakurai. Plus, once's he got approval from Normura, there's not much Disney can do.

Is it good to think about it? Maybe.
Good to actually consider? No.

I'm merely speculating as someone with zero interest in Sora or KH because it's the current topic and I'm bored.

Look dude, if you're going to speculate, at least know a little bit about the topic. If you're bored, you have time to research and develop actual points. I'm sure you'd be equally annoyed if I cited "Bandana Dee is just a hat Goomba" level arguments as legitimate reasons for your most wanted character to not be in the game.

 

[praline]

And what would that be? Space Invader feels like a really "Sakurai pick" imo.

I have no idea who those are tbh

She's owned by Square? Didn't know that, could swear it was by Platinum, but yeah, I'd put her up high.

See: "Everyone else not mentioned"

Eh, not really when it has all that competition above them.

Dragon Quest is huuuuuuuge in Japan! When a game is released it’s basically a national holiday there.

 

[Pyra]

Would be pretty funny if this ended up being the KH rep because he has not a single air of Disney about him and he doesn't hang out with Donald and Goofy. Riku is also pretty important to KH.

It would also be kind of a bizarre guess, no? Because he's not the face of Kingdom Hearts, if word got out that the SE rep is Riku and only a few people know that, it would probably cost someone their job (hence what best girl Senjougahara alluded to). Whereas if it was someone people regularly speculate about, most of that can just be passed off as normal speculation anyway.

The best part? This post is bound to make someone upset at me cause Riku isn't the KH Mascot


Aaaaaaaaand FIGHT

 

[Gothitelle]

>All this 2B
>No Nier or Kaine
smdh

 

[Opossum]

And what would that be? Space Invader feels like a really "Sakurai pick" imo.

I have no idea who those are tbh

She's owned by Square? Didn't know that, could swear it was by Platinum, but yeah, I'd put her up high.

See: "Everyone else not mentioned"

Eh, not really when it has all that competition above them.

As a rule of thumb, Platinum generally doesn't own the IPs they work on.

 

[Z25]

Someone on 4chan is claiming they have King Boo footage for Smash ultimate and they’ll post the video at 11:30 CST...maybe keep an eye on it, though I feel like it’ll be Stanley 2.0

If the footage isn’t provided right away it’s fake.

But king boo would be hype af.


Also all these misinformation’s about sora square and Disney are just upsetting.

Especially arguing over a ****ing Mickey Mouse key ring. Which is so tiny that I doubt it be an issue

 

[Pyra]

Especially arguing over a ****ing Mickey Mouse key ring. Which is so tiny that I doubt it be an issue

That is also my biggest problem with this conversation. It's about the only thing Sora has on him (besides his pet dog and duck ) that has anything to do with Disney, and if it's that huge a problem none of them actually have to appear anyway.

 

[T3Z3R1]

Hey, what's up with all sora's legality discussion, didn't we have this same discussion before few times? Pretty sure that this is getting tired at all.

As for this:

Here's Vergeben explaining the whole Square Enix rep thingy: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77035099?jumpto=19#19

He supposedly has a list of different character names that could very well be the Square rep, just doesn't know which one it is specifically.

(sorry for late reply, I was at my class in my college and I saw this)

Interesting, Won't be surprised if nintendo also did same thing for other unrevealed characters just to keep some thing wrapped until it's time to reveal them.

This is why verge was still figuring whose was true square enix rep, so he can be 100% sure and will likely confirm whose it is on gamefaq.

 

[CosmicQuark]

I personally think at this point that Sora along with Banjo are likely DLC. I don't know why but my gut tells me Sora is gonna be in for sure.

Sora fans should be happy as a result. Geno fans get what they want and so do they.

I just don't follow the logic, so I'm trying to understand. If money makers are saved for DLC, then that would mean Sora and Steve. If money makers make more sense in the base game, that would mean Geno and Banjo are better for DLC. Unless there's something I'm missing.

 

[Exalt4747]

>All this 2B
>No Nier or Kaine
smdh

You basically have to make a smash original design for the latter.

 

[Gothitelle]

You basically have to make a smash original design for the latter.

Eh?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I just don't follow the logic, so I'm trying to understand. If money makers are saved for DLC, then that would mean Sora and Steve. If money makers make more sense in the base game, that would mean Geno and Banjo are better for DLC. Unless there's something I'm missing.

However even then I'm honestly thinking that Banjo may very well be base since this is my final official prediction.

Unique Fighters:
Banjo-Kazooie
Elma
Geno
Incineroar
Steve (Maybe)

Echo Fighters:
Dixie Kong
Ken
Medusa
Shadow

This is a roster I'd totally be satisfied with.

 

[New_Dumal]

OMG, I'm so happy with the existence of this thread, asap (Harsh period with exams+work) I will read every single useless leak discussion, it's the best kind of hobby. Any news after the Ken picture (last leak I saw) ?

 

[CosmicQuark]

However even then I'm honestly thinking that Banjo may very well be base since this is my final official prediction.

Unique Fighters:
Banjo-Kazooie
Elma
Geno
Incineroar
Steve (Maybe)

Echo Fighters:
Dixie Kong
Ken
Medusa
Shadow

This is a roster I'd totally be satisfied with.

Yeah, I think it's a jump to go from not expecting too many new fighters to two Microsoft reps in the base game--that being said, I'd be totally fine with that, however unlikely, despite my thoughts on Steve. Elma would be a good pick, with Rex & Pyra as DLC representing all three games. Though, I'd prefer at least one more fighter from a new first party series, which is why I'm going with Isaac. The next Direct cannot come fast enough.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Yeah, I think it's a jump to go from not expecting too many new fighters to two Microsoft reps in the base game--that being said, I'd be totally fine with that, however unlikely, despite my thoughts on Steve. Elma would be a good pick, with Rex & Pyra as DLC representing all three games. Though, I'd prefer at least one more fighter from a new first party series, which is why I'm going with Isaac. The next Direct cannot come fast enough.

Knowing Sakurai though when he said "Don't expect too many newcomers" he could had meant just unique fighters as if we don't include echos and this list is true then we'd get a total of 8 (9) newcomers which is lower then any other new veterans in previous Smash games.

Echos would pretty much just be are extra characters in order to round out the roster which would explain why they don't have their own number but instead a copy of the number with an "e" next to it.