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Wait, did he say for sure that the Square character is base game? If so, then yeah, if you're someone that takes Verge for his word then the box could be dead. TBH though while the box has some good ideas behind it, it suffers from some very serious faults. The biggest being some refusing the idea it could simply be unfinished or a mockup when it's already been proven it is a digital mockup rather than a picture of an actual box. Or that characters could be on the back. The only theory we've had that doesn't seem to have holes in it so far is Music Theory.
He actually said that it still could be dlc. Basically he has no idea on the roster size, but that a Square character exists 100%. If the box theory is legit then it has to be dlc, otherwise it could still be base.


Cloud represents Final Fantasy VII specifically. He does not represent the Final Fantasy series. So if there is another Final Fantasy fighter, which I think is unlikely, it must be a fighter from Final Fantasy VII. I think that if there was going to be another Final Fantasy fighter not from Final Fantasy VII, Cloud would not still be representing just VII specifically. Having two installments each represented as individual series would just be redundant and dumb.
Say it with me everyone:

S E P H I R O T H
 

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The other thing to consider is that, possibly, Disney doesn't want Sora to appear anywhere without Disney characters like Donald and Goofy being in close proximity, thus killing any crossover offer before it can get started.
Not true either.
Sora appears in World of Finals Fantasy and FF record Keeper with heartless and bosses alongside OC world without ANY Disney stuff.


Look I truly think people are trying to find any issue against Sora Inclusion when in reality it all goes down to Sakurai asking for it to Nomura Who then will asks to Disney.
 
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The biggest problem with arguing Sora wouldn't bring anything Disney with him is his Keyblade's keychain being Mickey's head. Unless you get rid of that, then yeah, technically the likeness, no matter how potentially small or vague, of Mickey Mouse will be used and Disney has...some rather intense ideas about protecting their image and copyright. It's all a matter of who's willing to play ball, and if Disney stuff no matter how small got in Smash, whoooo boy would the floodgates open up.
 

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Wait, did he say for sure that the Square character is base game? If so, then yeah, if you're someone that takes Verge for his word then the box could be dead. TBH though while the box has some good ideas behind it, it suffers from some very serious faults. The biggest being some refusing the idea it could simply be unfinished or a mockup when it's already been proven it is a digital mockup rather than a picture of an actual box. Or that characters could be on the back. The only theory we've had that doesn't seem to have holes in it so far is Music Theory.
He didn't specifically said that this character is in the base game because he doesn't know the exact number of fighters. He knows and is 100% sure that a SE character is coming, so if it isn't in the base game it would be DLC.

But yeah, to box theory is looking dumber and dumber as time goes on. Not only people who worked in that industry confirmed that a design like that can be re-arranged in order to add more slots to the sides for the final version, but by using simple logic you just have to say "if there were 5/6 characters would they have posted a placeholder with 5/6 empty slots?".
 
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The biggest problem with arguing Sora wouldn't bring anything Disney with him is his Keyblade's keychain being Mickey's head. Unless you get rid of that, then yeah, technically the likeness, no matter how potentially small or vague, of Mickey Mouse will be used and Disney has...some rather intense ideas about protecting their image and copyright. It's all a matter of who's willing to play ball, and if Disney stuff no matter how small got in Smash, whoooo boy would the floodgates open up.

I'm 99% sure that the concept and Design of Sora is one big deal with the Keyblade being in as part of his Characters.
 
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I'm 99% sure that the concept and Design of Sora is one big deal with the Keyblade being in as part of his Characters.
Agreed. Which is why the Keyblade poses a problem with the Mickey keychain. I mean, it would be easy enough to get rid of it I suppose, but I dunno how I'd feel about that as it would kinda make Sora feel forced rather than representing Kingdom Hearts properly.
 

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My one hang up against Sora more than anything is didn't Disney straight up shoot down him appearing in Dissida or it being a Kingdom Hearts fighting game like originally planned?

If they own him what if they just say ''Nah, if Square can't make Kingdom Hearts fighting content you can't either Nintendo."
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IT WAS NORMURA THAT MADE THE DECISION TO NOT MAKE A DISNEY/KINGDOM HEARTS FIGHTING GAME
https://www.siliconera.com/2009/06/30/dissidia-final-fantasy-originated-from-kingdom-hearts/
Normura: However, deciding it would be a bad idea to make Disney characters fight each other, it never materialized for KH and ended up shifting to FF.
Even this time we thought that it would be difficult to bring out Disney characters and have them fight each other in multiplayer...
This is one of, if not the biggest misconception in regards to Sora speculation, and it ticks me off because it's blatantly incorrect. I know Nekoo Nekoo :ultgreninja:'d me, but this bears repeating.

Also, more evidence of Square Enix being very against leaks, but they permanently removed the KH3 Demo from the Playstation: Road to Greatness Tour because someone took a picture of a previously unrevealed area and posted it online.

They're very serious about this ****.
 
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Really does sound like we're just getting 1 character, which to me suggests that MasterOfHyrule doesn't actually have info.
 

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Anyway, Enix made Mischief Makers which I'm 100% sure is on the Square-Enix shortlist so I'm really glad Nintendo finally got all my thousands of tear-soaked letters begging them to put Marina in Smash. Dreams do come true!
 

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I don't play Kingdom Hearts, so I have an outside perspective here, but Sora doesn't seem to fit the look of Dissidia. Even if Kingdom Hearts bosses or enemies can look less cartoonish and more threatening, from a marketing perspective, Sora himself actually fits in Smash, aesthetically, while Dissidia maybe he doesn't as much. Just a thought.

The other thing to consider is that, possibly, Disney doesn't want Sora to appear anywhere without Disney characters like Donald and Goofy being in close proximity, thus killing any crossover offer before it can get started.
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Explain this then:

Do you see Donald and Goofy anywhere?

Say it with me everyone:
DISNEY IS NOT A ROADBLOCK TO SORA'S INCLUSION IN SMASH BROS.
Agreed. Which is why the Keyblade poses a problem with the Mickey keychain. I mean, it would be easy enough to get rid of it I suppose, but I dunno how I'd feel about that as it would kinda make Sora feel forced rather than representing Kingdom Hearts properly.
It's not even Mickey. It's a Hidden Mickey. Three circles that vaguely look like Mickey's head. If that's the only Disney content Sakurai needs to go for, then I think he can do it. If not, Sora can just use Oathkeeper and/or Oblivion, or the Star Seeker if he's KH3 Sora, as he's been shown to use them in official art.

Kingdom Hearts can be properly represented without Disney.
 
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Agreed. Which is why the Keyblade poses a problem with the Mickey keychain. I mean, it would be easy enough to get rid of it I suppose, but I dunno how I'd feel about that as it would kinda make Sora feel forced rather than representing Kingdom Hearts properly.
But That's nitpicking. We won't have Mickey dancing around.
We will have A Characters beating the **** out of people with HIW OWN SKILLS at worst FINAL FANTASY SPELL and it happens that the keychain have three circle forming Mickey's head.

That's not opening floodgates. There no floodgates to be open. Sora is a video game Characters and the Keyblade is a video game Weapons.

Really does sound like we're just getting 1 character, which to me suggests that MasterOfHyrule doesn't actually have info.
Or he got the info about those list names explaining why he say "Geno have High chance" or "Sora is in" because his sources are ****ed too with that fake leaker issue

And heck, it would explain even more why he said to not asks where he heard these and backpedalled about 4chan and stuff.
 

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Not going to discredit Sora or anything but...

Is there any 3rd-party game outside of SE that has Sora making it an appearance/cross over?

I am just wondering..
 
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What if he's the Square Enix rep?
  • A chibification of the most recurring mascot of the Final Fantasy series
  • Has six games to his name not including cameos, much more than most FF characters
  • Has a new game coming out, and given how Sonic went with Melee and Brawl, the choice to include him could have been made after development started
  • Would fit in well with the cutesy aesthetic of Kirby, Pokemon, etc and make a good "antithesis" to Cloud's more realistic, edgier design
 
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Oh no. I hope it's end result is not something ridiculous like last time.
I sincerely hope it's another Rick Roll. We need to bring that meme back.

Also, who said that misinformation was deliberately being spread this speculation circle?

<- This guy right here

I would like to humbly ask for my due amount of imaginary internet points to temporarily boost my fragile self-esteem please.

It's very possible that Nintendo picked up the tactic from Square Enix.
 
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Tbh I feel people are overblowing the issues with Sora a little bit.

Not to say Disney and Square aren't problems, but there's no real reason to think they can't play ball. Disney has even been in partnerships with Nintendo before and broadcast their events like the NWC on Disney XD.

Even going beyond Disney, Sora was in WoFF completely on his own and freaking SEGA got to use Wreck it Ralph in their racing game.
 

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What if he's the Square Enix rep?
  • A chibification of the most recurring mascot of the Final Fantasy series
  • Has six games to his name not including cameos, much more than most FF characters
  • Has a new game coming out, and given how Sonic went with Melee and Brawl, the choice to include him could have been made after development started
  • Would fit in well with the cutesy aesthetic of Kirby, Pokemon, etc and make a good "antithesis" to Cloud's more realistic, edgier design
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I doubt that. If Square Enix is as stingy as we think they are Sakurai is going to go for the largest, most hype inducing pick.
 
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My one hang up against Sora more than anything is didn't Disney straight up shoot down him appearing in Dissida or it being a Kingdom Hearts fighting game like originally planned?

If they own him what if they just say ''Nah, if Square can't make Kingdom Hearts fighting content you can't either Nintendo."
No one knows all we know is Disney is fine with Sora being in Smash
 

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Not going to discredit Sora or anything but...

Is there any 3rd-party game outside of SE that has Sora making it an appearance/cross over?

Just wondering..
Nope, but that literally play for his favor since it's mean Disney doesn't use Sora as their will and still need the okay from SE.
 

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I sincerely hope it's another Rick Roll. We need to bring that meme back.

Also, who said that misinformation was deliberately being spread this speculation circle?

<- This guy right here

I would like to humbly ask for my due amount of imaginary internet points to temporarily boost my fragile self-esteem please.

It's very possible that Nintendo picked up the tactic from Square Enix.
Or.... Our resident leak archivist is the rep who has been spreading fake leaks all along!!!!

Now it's a true conspiracy. There are spies among us.

This is a joke hehehe
 

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Wait, did he say for sure that the Square character is base game? If so, then yeah, if you're someone that takes Verge for his word then the box could be dead. TBH though while the box has some good ideas behind it, it suffers from some very serious faults. The biggest being some refusing the idea it could simply be unfinished or a mockup when it's already been proven it is a digital mockup rather than a picture of an actual box. Or that characters could be on the back. The only theory we've had that doesn't seem to have holes in it so far is Music Theory.
Verg said he doesn’t know, however sakurai did say he would finish the game before dlc and so any character that’s rumored would be on disk in theory
 

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King Boo would be dope.

I always liked him as a potential character but no one ever brings him up.

Naturally though I think the video promise is donkey parts.
 

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What if he's the Square Enix rep?
  • A chibification of the most recurring mascot of the Final Fantasy series
  • Has six games to his name not including cameos, much more than most FF characters
  • Has a new game coming out, and given how Sonic went with Melee and Brawl, the choice to include him could have been made after development started
  • Would fit in well with the cutesy aesthetic of Kirby, Pokemon, etc and make a good "antithesis" to Cloud's more realistic, edgier design
I actually wouldn't mind that but I doubt it, FF still has 2 songs and Chocobo without the Chocobo song is just wrong.
 
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But That's nitpicking. We won't have Mickey dancing around.
We will have A Characters beating the **** out of people with HIW OWN SKILLS at worst FINAL FANTASY SPELL and it happens that the keychain have three circle forming Mickey's head.

That's not opening floodgates. There no floodgates to be open. Sora is a video game Characters and the Keyblade is a video game Weapons.
As someone who wants Sora as one of their most wanted 3rd parties, I would love for you to be right. The only reason I doubt it is because Disney is notoriously hard to work with.

Also, wouldn't those three circles still form the Mickey Mouse logo and therefore still be Disney property? It wouldn't surprise me if they had that logo trademarked. Another problem is Sora's trophies and trivia segments Smash always has. How do you reference the plot of Kingdom Hearts without at least naming Donald and Goofy? Do we refer to them as "Sora's friends"? At that point it seems like so much needs tweaking and ambiguity that it wouldn't necessarily feel like Sora would be in the game proper.

That's just me, though. As I said above I'm all for Sora, I just don't know how it would work when there's a lot of stuff that would need tweaking to make it work.
 

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Or.... Our resident leak archivist is the rep who has been spreading fake leaks all along!!!!

Now it's a true conspiracy. There are spies among us.

This is a joke hehehe
**** they've caught on I mean what? I am most definitely not an intern hired by Nintendo to infiltrate the Smash Bros. fandom and deliberately spread misinformation. Definitely not.

That being said, what is the possibility of there being two Square Enix reps? We know we're getting one, but what if that's deliberate misinformation as well, and we're actually getting two? There's definitely the possibility of it in my opinion. One would be base and the other would be DLC. Or both would be base or DLC. If box theory is true, any additional characters becides Ken-cineroar would have to be on the back, so they'd have to be huge characters (Steve and Sora?).

I also find it interesting that Verge doesn't know the final roster number. Why do you guys think that is?
As someone who wants Sora as one of their most wanted 3rd parties, I would love for you to be right. The only reason I doubt it is because Disney is notoriously hard to work with.

Also, wouldn't those three circles still form the Mickey Mouse logo and therefore still be Disney property? It wouldn't surprise me if they had that logo trademarked. Another problem is Sora's trophies and trivia segments Smash always has. How do you reference the plot of Kingdom Hearts without at least naming Donald and Goofy? Do we refer to them as "Sora's friends"? At that point it seems like so much needs tweaking and ambiguity that it wouldn't necessarily feel like Sora would be in the game proper.

That's just me, though. As I said above I'm all for Sora, I just don't know how it would work when there's a lot of stuff that would need tweaking to make it work.
Bro "Sora's friends" works perfectly fine. Even if it's ambiguous, Sora is shtick is pretty much "my friends are my power," so it works perfectly fine.

Also, if the rumors about Spirits is true, we may not even have trophies in this game, but Spirits, whatever those are.
 
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I'm still in the boat that, if Steve is in, Microsoft probably preferred him as the front-runner rep and is essentially going to act as a Trojan horse for Banjo to be DLC. Banjo's basically in the same boat as Cloud used to be. Cloud was pretty much a "near impossible for Smash" meme character up until his announcement while Banjo was largely the same from 2002 until the Smash Ballot and Microsoft's statement in 2015. Banjo's been one of those back of the attic options since even before Melee so, especially with the recent resurgence of demand, I will be genuinely surprised if he's not a least acknowledged by a trophy at a BEAR minimum.
 

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**** they've caught on I mean what? I am most definitely not an intern hired by Nintendo to infiltrate the Smash Bros. fandom and deliberately spread misinformation. Definitely not.

That being said, what is the possibility of there being two Square Enix reps? We know we're getting one, but what if that's deliberate misinformation as well, and we're actually getting two? There's definitely the possibility of it in my opinion. One would be base and the other would be DLC. Or both would be base or DLC. If box theory is true, any additional characters becides Ken-cineroar would have to be on the back, so they'd have to be huge characters (Steve and Sora?).

I also find it interesting that Verge doesn't know the final roster number. Why do you guys think that is?
Anything is possible really. Sakurai is a Wizard. Two SE reps would be wild and as for final roster numbers...again Sakurai is a very interesting man, a bit hard to fully predict his capabilities.

inb4 we see a picture of Sakurai throwing darts at a dart board for making Smash related decisions.

Edit. Sakurai misses the board completely and hits a scrap piece of paper that is labeled 4th party
 
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If there IS a plan to have free content trickle out, having a character release as DLC very close to the launch of the game like Splatoon and Mario Tennis would make sense.
If content was on the disk, but set to become playable after a week or so for free, would that still be DLC?

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As someone who wants Sora as one of their most wanted 3rd parties, I would love for you to be right. The only reason I doubt it is because Disney is notoriously hard to work with.

Also, wouldn't those three circles still form the Mickey Mouse logo and therefore still be Disney property? It wouldn't surprise me if they had that logo trademarked. Another problem is Sora's trophies and trivia segments Smash always has. How do you reference the plot of Kingdom Hearts without at least naming Donald and Goofy? Do we refer to them as "Sora's friends"? At that point it seems like so much needs tweaking and ambiguity that it wouldn't necessarily feel like Sora would be in the game proper.

That's just me, though. As I said above I'm all for Sora, I just don't know how it would work when there's a lot of stuff that would need tweaking to make it work.
The Proximity Mines and stuff from Perfect Dark/Goldeneye were kept ambiguous so I don't see how some flavor text in a Trophy would be a big deal for Sora. You can definitely talk about him for a bit without talking about Donald and Goofy.
 
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I also find it interesting that Verge doesn't know the final roster number. Why do you guys think that is?
I imagine most of Verge's sources are coming from marketing divisions and maybe a few select playtesters. According to Sakurai himself this game has been kept under super lockdown, so it wouldn't surprise me if not many outside the dev team actually knows what's going on. However, as we're getting closer to release, that will probably start changing and the potential for more Ken leaks will rise.
 

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I also find it interesting that Verge doesn't know the final roster number. Why do you guys think that is?
Because he has missed stuff like K Rool, Chrom, Dark Samus, and Richter. Vergeben knows he doesn't know everything so rather than saying "There's only 3 characters in the game" he plays it safe because he really doesn't know anything other than what his sources tell him, and even then he's hesitant to share info unless he is 100% certain it's true.
 
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Also, wouldn't those three circles still form the Mickey Mouse logo and therefore still be Disney property? It wouldn't surprise me if they had that logo trademarked. Another problem is Sora's trophies and trivia segments Smash always has. How do you reference the plot of Kingdom Hearts without at least naming Donald and Goofy? Do we refer to them as "Sora's friends"? At that point it seems like so much needs tweaking and ambiguity that it wouldn't necessarily feel like Sora would be in the game proper.
In Record Keeper they just say that Sora lived in Destiny Island with Riku and Kairi, that it got attacked by darkness and that he's now traveling "Fantastic and magical world" to find them while killing monster known as heartless.
 
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I sincerely hope it's another Rick Roll. We need to bring that meme back.

Also, who said that misinformation was deliberately being spread this speculation circle?

<- This guy right here

I would like to humbly ask for my due amount of imaginary internet points to temporarily boost my fragile self-esteem please.

It's very possible that Nintendo picked up the tactic from Square Enix.
To be fair I've seen a couple people talk about the possibility before you



Also, we on the "wait for a 4chan 'leaker' to not reveal anything and have everyone pretend to be disappointed" thing again?
 

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What if he's the Square Enix rep?
  • A chibification of the most recurring mascot of the Final Fantasy series
  • Has six games to his name not including cameos, much more than most FF characters
  • Has a new game coming out, and given how Sonic went with Melee and Brawl, the choice to include him could have been made after development started
  • Would fit in well with the cutesy aesthetic of Kirby, Pokemon, etc and make a good "antithesis" to Cloud's more realistic, edgier design
Only if we get this song in the game

 

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I imagine most of Verge's sources are coming from marketing divisions and maybe a few select playtesters. According to Sakurai himself this game has been kept under super lockdown, so it wouldn't surprise me if not many outside the dev team actually knows what's going on. However, as we're getting closer to release, that will probably start changing and the potential for more Ken leaks will rise.
Additionally not knowing just certain characters overall (K. Rool, Richter, Chrom, Dark Samus, Daisy) are why he probably doesn't know the whole roster count. He knows what he has available, but a final roster count makes little sense from him since he hasn't known about 5 out of the 9 newcomers so far.
 

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I also find it interesting that Verge doesn't know the final roster number. Why do you guys think that is?
I feel like Smash Ultimate is the type of game where those working on it only know what they need to know to do their jobs. So when someone like Verge has a few sources, those sources may only know of the handful they have to work on, and may also only give out certain information they think won't be able to be used to track them down specifically. Which is why we probably also have leaker bait, characters who are not playable that, if leaked, can be traced back to the source.

I have some ideas on who that is--but that's wishful thinking
 
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