Smash Ultimate Leak Discussion Thread

[Deleted member]

Seeing a lot of misinfo saying Senjou leaked Skullomania and not a word on Verge.

Verge leaked Girl'O'Mania, guys.

Thank you for pointing that out! I didn't know that, lol. So yeah, Steve's situation hasn't really changed at all IMO: It's still a huge maybe.

 

[Deleted member]

Postmodern Theory: all theories should be burned down.

 

[Jigglymaster]

No one is saying none of these theories have validity. And no one is making fun of people who support a theory. If they are, they aren't actually being a nihilist.

The problem is there are literally 3 theories going on, and people basing their speculation on them as if they're fact (which isn't everyone, of course) are forgetting the definition of the word THEORY. Verge got harassed over an unconfirmed THEORY vs. his clearly reputable source. That's kinda annoying.

3 different theories with 3 very different conclusions on how the roster will end up. And yet all of them could VERY easily be wrong. That's why people like myself abstain from "associating" with a theory. Because it's not the basis of an argument for how many characters are left, or who can get in, they are THEORIES. I'm frankly sick of people treating them as anything but.

The thing is, is that people here gave me crap for even SUGGESTING that the Music Theory isn't officially dead yet and that there's a possibility that Vergeben could be wrong about a Pokemon rep. The possibility that one of them has to be wrong and that it isn't confirmed to be the Music theory yet.

Other people who harrass and see theories as facts are jerks. But there are some people out there, like me, who are more modest about these theories but it gets super annoying when I'm stereotyped to be the same kind of theoriest as them. That's what my problem is here and how it seems like how anyone that thinks about these theories is automatically stupid for thinking so.

 

[Deleted member]

Postmodern Theory: all theories should be burned down.

I'll do you one better: The Theory Theory.

The theory that, quite possibly, there is a theory that may or may not be a true theory, but is still in fact, a theory.

Theory for Smash. Who wants to make the support thread?

 

[Opossum]

Music Theory shouldn't be treated the same way "Ridley in the clouds" is. It actually had (and possibly still has if Incineroar is DLC) something tangible to go off of.

Postmodern Theory: all theories should be burned down.

I thought Postmodern Theory involved taking a blurry picture of an unplugged television's screen and calling it a leak.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Postmodern Theory: all theories should be burned down.

Yes, I Completely agree. I currently don't believe any major ongoing theory.

I'll do you one better: The Theory Theory.



The theory that, quite possibly, there is a theory that may or may not be a true theory, but is still in fact, a theory.



Theory for Smash. Who wants to make the support thread?

Matpat for Smash.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/433265283
An alleged "script leak". It has.....both Phoenix Wright and a story mode. My two greatest wishes. That said, it relies on the idea that an assist trophy character (you know THE ONE), being supposedly promoted to playable despite being used a demonstration to be blast zoned by Marth.

Siiiigh. If it's real, then that would be amazing, but man. Why did he have to include HIM in there!?!

 

[Pakky]

Yes, I Completely agree. I currently don't believe any major ongoing theory.


Matpat for Smash.

Sans as an echo

*I'll get my coat*

 

[Eru13]

That interview said the game would be going gold soon right? Think someone would break street date once that happens?

I think the fact that most smash games have gotten their street dates broken before is why Sakurai and his team decided to 1) reveal all characters before the game is out and 2) reveal them all with a lot of anticipation

That's why I've said before that we should probably know the whole roster officially before November 15th or so, because if they don't do it officially, there'll be so many promotional materials (not to mention the actual game) out that preventing leaks will be impossible

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Sans as an echo

*I'll get my coat*

No, we all know that Sans is an Echo of Ness.

 

[Chrono.]

A reveal on a Pokemon Direct isn't super likely, but I'd say it isn't impossible either.

But you know what's even less likely? A Pokemon Direct happening at all.

Aside from one time, Pokemon Directs are usually done to make a game announcement and leave, so unless gen 8 gets revealed before Let's Go comes out (which is really unlikely and a bad business move) I can't see them doing one just to talk about Let's Go when they're constantly pumping out info for it.

 

[Jchrono95]

Sans will be a Ness echo and Papyrus will be a Bayonetta echo

 

[Fenriraga]

The thing is, is that people here gave me crap for even SUGGESTING that the Music Theory isn't officially dead yet and that there's a possibility that Vergeben could be wrong about a Pokemon rep. The possibility that one of them has to be wrong and that it isn't confirmed to be the Music theory yet.

Other people who harrass and see theories as facts are jerks. But there are some people out there, like me, who are more modest about these theories but it gets super annoying when I'm stereotyped to be the same kind of theoriest as them. That's what my problem is here and how it seems like how anyone that thinks about these theories is automatically stupid for thinking so.

I'm pretty sure no one here from what I've seen has really been doing that, to be frank with you. At the very least, not anyone on DaybreakHorizon 's nihilist list. If someone IS giving you grief, don't lump them in with us, it's not like every single individual is doing so.

And while you are indeed correct and music theory isn't 100% dead, Verge literally just got another point on his record from being one of the ones to leak Genderbent Skullomania. So yeah, saying he could still be wrong is indeed true, but it doesn't exactly have a lot riding on it. People are going to point that out. You gotta be ready for that.

 

[Deleted member]

A reveal on a Pokemon Direct isn't super likely, but I'd say it isn't impossible either.

But you know what's even less likely? A Pokemon Direct happening at all.

Aside from one time, Pokemon Directs are usually done to make a game announcement and leave, so unless gen 8 gets revealed before Let's Go comes out (which is really unlikely and a bad business move) I can't see them doing one just to talk about Let's Go when they're constantly pumping out info for it.

I'm kinda surprised to see so many predictions for a Pokemon Direct. Pokemon only ever gets like a 5 minute one to announce a new gen, and then maybe shows up in one, maybe two general Directs. The Pokemon Company likes to do their own thing most of the time.

I mean, anything's possible and I'm not saying it couldn't happen, it's just not something that really ever has, so I doubt it.

 

[T3Z3R1]

The thing is, is that people here gave me crap for even SUGGESTING that the Music Theory isn't officially dead yet and that there's a possibility that Vergeben could be wrong about a Pokemon rep. The possibility that one of them has to be wrong and that it isn't confirmed to be the Music theory yet.

Other people who harrass and see theories as facts are jerks. But there are some people out there, like me, who are more modest about these theories but it gets super annoying when I'm stereotyped to be the same kind of theoriest as them. That's what my problem is here and how it seems like how anyone that thinks about these theories is automatically stupid for thinking so.

Dude, Stop. No need to make fuzzing about it, we know that you don't like how we treat theories here. Sure, it's fun to theorize anything but, those theories (ex: Box, and Blog.) are stupid and pointless because they were not theory, people who made them didn't know what theory means. And plus, have you ever read Music Theory post? There's something about it, it was changed to not include echoes after Dark Samus because it already included new Metroid music before Dark Samus's announcement.

And secondly, you said that verge can be wrong about new pokemon representative really means that you were believing in music theory but don't take our word for it. We won't attack you, just for voicing your opinion unlike those discord army at /r/smashbros.

And least but last, just be nice and we don't want this thread to be locked by mod.

 

[Jigglymaster]

I'm pretty sure no one here from what I've seen has really been doing that, to be frank with you. At the very least, not anyone on DaybreakHorizon 's nihilist list. If someone IS giving you grief, don't lump them in with us, it's not like every single individual is doing so.

And while you are indeed correct and music theory isn't 100% dead, Verge literally just got another point on his record from being one of the ones to leak Genderbent Skullomania. So yeah, saying he could still be wrong is indeed true, but it doesn't exactly have a lot riding on it. People are going to point that out.

I'm not about to go back and search previous posts to prove my point, so I'll just give a quick summary of what I mean.

N: Pokemon music revealed! Music theory is dead THANK GOD
Me: But it's not dead yet...
N: Wow I can't believe there are people who are actually believing a theory over a credible leaker.
Me: I never said that. I said they now conflict with each other and that at least one is wrong.
N: Music theory is dead THANK GOD I hate theories they're always wrong and they always will be.
Me: .....

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I'm kinda surprised to see so many predictions for a Pokemon Direct. Pokemon only ever gets like a 5 minute one to announce a new gen, and then maybe shows up in one, maybe two general Directs. The Pokemon Company likes to do their own thing most of the time.

I mean, anything's possible and I'm not saying it couldn't happen, it's just not something that really ever has, so I doubt it.

Yeah, if I remember correctly, a 10+ Minute long Pokemon Direct only happened once During the XY cycle... So... yeah I kinda doubt it too

 

[RandomAce]

I have to disagree with this.


As a company, Granblue Fantasy is Cygame's flagship series(Note, makes a ****TON of money) and arguably their most iconic in Japan.

OBJECTION!!!

Although Granblue Fantasy does sell well, the series doesn’t have any relationship to Nintendo, and isn’t well known outside of Japan (is Grandblue even international?)

Dragalia Lost however, is an IP being supervised and created alongside Nintendo, and is a Nintendo IP. That alone makes a Dragalia Lost character more likely because it’s on Nintnedo’s radar and it’s being pushed to test their mobile market, and Sakurai will most likely get a glimpse of it because of that.

 

[Opossum]

Dude, Stop. No need to make fuzzing about it, we know that you don't like how we treat theories here. Sure, it's fun to theorize anything but, those theories (ex: Box, and Blog.) are stupid and pointless because they were not theory, people who made them didn't know what theory means. And plus, have you ever read Music Theory post? There's something about it, it was changed to not include echoes after Dark Samus because it already included new Metroid music before Dark Samus's announcement.

And secondly, you said that verge can be wrong about new pokemon representative really means that you were believing in music theory but don't take our word for it. We won't attack you, just for voicing your opinion unlike those discord army at /r/smashbros.

And least but last, just be nice and we don't want this thread to be locked by mod.

Box Theory is legit though.

 

[Chrono.]

I'm kinda surprised to see so many predictions for a Pokemon Direct. Pokemon only ever gets like a 5 minute one to announce a new gen, and then maybe shows up in one, maybe two general Directs. The Pokemon Company likes to do their own thing most of the time.

I mean, anything's possible and I'm not saying it couldn't happen, it's just not something that really ever has, so I doubt it.

Yeah pretty much.

The only time they did a long Direct was during the XY era, and it was mostly an interview type thing that had Iwata and Masuda.

Pretty much every Pokemon Direct after that has been like 5 to 10 minutes long announcing a new game or two then leaving. The last one did talk about Pokken DX for most of it, but that's really it. After that Gamefreak and TPC just give us chunks of information every month up until release.

 

[Jigglymaster]

Dude, Stop. No need to make fuzzing about it, we know that you don't like how we treat theories here. Sure, it's fun to theorize anything but, those theories (ex: Box, and Blog.) are stupid and pointless because they were not theory, people who made them didn't know what theory means. And plus, have you ever read Music Theory post? There's something about it, it was changed to not include echoes after Dark Samus because it already included new Metroid music before Dark Samus's announcement.

And secondly, you said that verge can be wrong about new pokemon representative really means that you were believing in music theory but don't take our word for it. We won't attack you, just for voicing your opinion unlike those discord army at /r/smashbros.

And least but last, just be nice and we don't want this thread to be locked by mod.

This is EXACTLY what I mean. You are here once again, auto assuming that I am fully believing in the music for even attempting to say that Vergeben could be wrong. I'm saying either one could still be correct. This is what's making me angry.

And once again, you are misinformed about it being re-written because the music theory itself was not conceptualized until after Dark Samus had already broken the echo portion of the theory.

 

[Untouch]

http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/433265283
An alleged "script leak". It has.....both Phoenix Wright and a story mode. My two greatest wishes. That said, it relies on the idea that an assist trophy character (you know THE ONE), being supposedly promoted to playable despite being used a demonstration to be blast zoned by Marth.

Siiiigh. If it's real, then that would be amazing, but man. Why did he have to include HIM in there!?!

Ken, in the leak, is based on SFIII not SFII.

 

[Deleted member]

Box Theory is legit though.

Not saying it isn't, but is there anything other than your personal opinion that is irrefutable, factual evidence that proves it? Not trying to be rude, just legitimately curious.

EDIT: Dang, I have a serious typo problem today. Maybe I need to slow down a little, lol.

 

[KingofKoopas]

So, has any of these multi game leakers like Vergeben or the Steve leaker said anything about Polish Hussars in For Honor at all...? i mean if we got skullwaifu a man can hope right?
....Stormclouds, fire and steel. Death from above made their enemies kneel.

 

[Pyra]

I'm not about to go back and search previous posts to prove my point, so I'll just give a quick summary of what I mean.

N: Pokemon music revealed! Music theory is dead THANK GOD
Me: But it's not dead yet...
N: Wow I can't believe there are people who are actually believing a theory over a credible leaker.
Me: I never said that. I said they now conflict with each other and that at least one is wrong.
N: Music theory is dead THANK GOD I hate theories they're always wrong and they always will be.
Me: .....

Nothing really dies in this anime anyway, so don't worry too much about it.
Goku Confirmed
KA KA KA KA KACHI DAZE

Not saying it isn't, but is their anything other than your personal opinion that is irrefutable, factual evidence that proves it? Not trying to be rude, just legitimately curious.

I feel like the legitimacy comes from the fact that nobody can disprove it at the moment.
Think everyone and their mother knows the box theory isn't 100% definitely the case.

And the people who get mad when you say that aren't typically the kind of person you could have a conversation with about it anyway

 

[kylexv]

So that one guy that said that Steve and a Granblue character or something...I forget their username...

Yeah, they're probably just backpedaling HARD at this point most likely.

 

[Fenriraga]

I'm not about to go back and search previous posts to prove my point, so I'll just give a quick summary of what I mean.

N: Pokemon music revealed! Music theory is dead THANK GOD
Me: But it's not dead yet...
N: Wow I can't believe there are people who are actually believing a theory over a credible leaker.
Me: I never said that. I said they now conflict with each other and that at least one is wrong.
N: Music theory is dead THANK GOD I hate theories they're always wrong and they always will be.
Me: .....

A theory is not going to be able to hold up to a credible leaker, I'm sorry. I don't really know what you're getting worked up over. Music Theory isn't 100% dead and anyone who says so is indeed being silly, but it's also pretty silly to think a still unproven theory "conflicts" with anything Verge is backing up. There is no conflict here. It's a direct blow. Verge can still be wrong, but we have no reason to believe he is. He has missed some characters, like K. Rool and some echoes, but he hasn't been wrong about anyone he does know is in.

That doesn't explain why you're lumping all of us "Nihilists" together. That exchange might not even be from one, could be someone who supports Box Theory or blog theory or whatever just as much as us.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Vergeben still mentioned Steve stuff, even if it's only a possibility based on what he said.

give me Smash Bros. x Minecraft

 

[Shroob]

OBJECTION!!!

Although Granblue Fantasy does sell well, the series doesn’t have any relationship to Nintendo, and isn’t well known outside of Japan (is Grandblue even international?)

Dragalia Lost however, is an IP being supervised and created alongside Nintendo, and is a Nintendo IP. That alone makes a Dragalia Lost character more likely because it’s on Nintnedo’s radar and it’s being pushed to test their mobile market, and Sakurai will most likely get a glimpse of it because of that.

HOLD IT!!!


Nintendo owns a 5% share of Cygames as a company.


Not only that, but Platinum Games will be making Granblue Fantasy, Project:ReLink for Playstation 4, which will be released internationally. Not only that, but while Granblue Fantasy is Japan exclusive as far as the devs are concerned, the game is 100% completely in English, while also showing up at PAX and Comicon regularly within the last 2 or so years, meaning that an official English client may be in the works.


The game is Cygame's flagship and mascot series. While yes, a Dragalia Lost character would indeed have 'more ties to Nintendo', Cygame's Granblue characters are easily recognizable by a Japanese audience and would be very easy DLC sells in its home country.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Are we really having theory talks again? I thought we stopped believing in them after what happened Tuesday Night...

Edit: I'm a Smash Lord Now. Yay
Holy Moly I've only been here for like 20 days... I need to get a life

 

[Fenriraga]

Box Theory is legit though.

It isn't though.

No "theory" is leginimate until we know the final roster.

What people see as patterns or remaining spaces are just blank squares edited to match the currently revealed roster. Nothing more. You can THEORIZE they mean more than they do, and they could indeed likely be more, but they arent until we know for sure what the true box looks like.

Do I seriously need to once again bring out the textbook definition of the word "theory"? If a theory is "leginimate" then it's not a theory.

 

[Llort A. Ton]

With all the MineCraft rumors, Banjo Kazooie being on the table for base or DLC, would Halo content be likely? I can easily see Master Chief trophy and mii costume to go with the Minecraft and possible Banjo, but how about playable Chief for DLC? Hes a juggernaut icon and the face of a brand, genre, extremley popular console, and college parties EVERYWHERE... EXCEPT Japan. Nintendo could be concerned about sales for the DLC in their home country, but would the gold mine of America and Europe convince them to do it? Plz

 

[Pyra]

It isn't though.

No "theory" is leginimate until we know the final roster.

What people see as patterns or remaining spaces are just blank squares. Nothing more. You can THEORIZE they are more, but they arent until we know for sure what the true box looks like.

Do I seriously need to once again bring out the textbook definition of the word "theory"?

Idunno
I never equated "leginimate (sic)" with "provable without a doubt" in terms of speculation theories

Just as it is, even if it can't be proved, it also can't be disproved and it has a solid foundation.

 

[Jigglymaster]

A theory is not going to be able to hold up to a credible leaker, I'm sorry. I don't really know what you're getting worked up over. Music Theory isn't 100% dead and anyone who says so is indeed being silly, but it's also pretty silly to think a still unproven theory "conflicts" with anything Verge is backing up. There is no conflict here. It's a direct blow. Verge can still be wrong, but we have no reason to believe he is. He has missed some characters, like K. Rool and some echoes, but he hasn't been wrong about anyone he does know is in.

That doesn't explain why you're lumping all of us "Nihilists" together. That exchange might not even be from one, could be someone who supports Box Theory or blog theory or whatever just as much as us.

So its silly to think that the theory is dead.... but also silly to think it has a chance of being correct anymore.

Right. I'm just going to see myself out.

 

[Deleted member]

I feel like the legitimacy comes from the fact that nobody can disprove it at the moment.
Think everyone and their mother knows the box theory isn't 100% definitely the case.

And the people who get mad when you say that aren't typically the kind of person you could have a conversation with about it anyway

Yup, there isn't anything that proves or disproves it right now, which is why I have no feelings towards it. Especially when all it takes to kill it is one extra Echo to go along with Ken, which is entirely possible.

The funniest thing that could happen now is for them to update it with Isabelle and move everyone on it around and putting Ryu on the visible side. That'd be an interesting shake up, lol.

 

[777Laser]

What is wrong with people who make super long fake leaks to trick people? Literally makes no sense

 

[CosmicQuark]

A reveal on a Pokemon Direct isn't super likely, but I'd say it isn't impossible either.

But you know what's even less likely? A Pokemon Direct happening at all.

Aside from one time, Pokemon Directs are usually done to make a game announcement and leave, so unless gen 8 gets revealed before Let's Go comes out (which is really unlikely and a bad business move) I can't see them doing one just to talk about Let's Go when they're constantly pumping out info for it.

I feel like many major Nintendo titles have been given special Directs, or a special focus within a Direct--Splatoon 2, Xenoblade Chronicles 2, Mario Tennis Aces. That being said, it was less than I had remembered (unless I'm missing something), and as Nintendo has said they like to release information that is specifically tailored to the best way to present each game. So, it all depends on how much content is in Let's Go. I think there's barely anything, though from some of the more recent releases of info I think there may be more--especially if what I think is true--they'll announce the "recently discovered Pokemon" as being in Let's Go that allows you to transfer to Pokemon Go. So, I think a Pokemon Direct is likely, but I would not be surprised if there isn't one.

It makes sense to have a specialized Pokemon Direct in October, with no information on Gen 8, and a specialized Smash Direct in November, given that these are the only major titles Nintendo has for the rest of the year that they want to push heavily. I'm not betting as heavily now as I did before, though.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

With all the MineCraft rumors, Banjo Kazooie being on the table for base or DLC, would Halo content be likely? I can easily see Master Chief trophy and mii costume to go with the Minecraft and possible Banjo, but how about playable Chief for DLC? Hes a juggernaut icon and the face of a brand, genre, extremley popular console, and college parties EVERYWHERE... EXCEPT Japan. Nintendo could be concerned about sales for the DLC in their home country, but would the gold mine of America and Europe convince them to do it? Plz

The only problems i feel that Master Chief has, is his almost nonexistent History with Nintendo, and the lack of popularity in Japan

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I'm pretty sure no one here from what I've seen has really been doing that, to be frank with you. At the very least, not anyone on DaybreakHorizon 's nihilist list. If someone IS giving you grief, don't lump them in with us, it's not like every single individual is doing so.

And while you are indeed correct and music theory isn't 100% dead, Verge literally just got another point on his record from being one of the ones to leak Genderbent Skullomania. So yeah, saying he could still be wrong is indeed true, but it doesn't exactly have a lot riding on it. People are going to point that out. You gotta be ready for that.

While Nihilist theory does claim that all theories are false, we also believe that there's no point trying to convince anyone of anything because people are just going to believe what they're going to believe regardless.

 

[Fenriraga]

Idunno
I never equated "leginimate (sic)" with "provable without a doubt" in terms of speculation theories

Just as it is, even if it can't be proved, it also can't be disproved and it has a solid foundation.

That's not what I'm getting at though. Again, there is a very real possibility it is indeed correct. The evidence backing it up says so. But it is not "legit". Have you seen the actual, unedited box? Since then answer to that is no, how can you say it's leginimate?