Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Bionichute]

Well you gotta keep in mind that he's also had a large amount of support since the Smash 4 hype cycle. Dunno if the support was actually bigger than Joker but it was certainly more vocal. His inclusion would be pretty hype.

id basically die of hype if any new kirby stuff gets added in

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

she hasn't? all the game's she's shown up in are directed by someone other than sakurai (he only directed dreamland, adventure, super star, nightmare in dreamland, and air ride, had no input on dreamland 2, only voiced dedede in 64, and was an advisor on amazing mirror)

we've only gotten scant references to other games, none of which are any major things. no new stages, no new characters, no new items, basically nothing outside of two final smashes and a costume for meta knight. there's basically no way he isn't biased towards his own games at this point, it makes absolutely no sense otherwise

So basically, there's some conspiracy theory that Sakurai has bias for Kirby except he doesn't really for anything not created by him.

Even though there's plenty of spirits and stuff from Kirby not created by him. Also, being an advisor does give him input and I don't know why you're trying to claim he hates the likes of Adeliene when we have no proof whatsoever.

What I mean is that he's probably next in line, like how Ashley is next in line for WarioWare.

For what??? A playable fighter? Where's the source suggesting she was even on the table for being a fighter???

there's basically no way he isn't biased towards his own games at this point, it makes absolutely no sense otherwise

You might as well be claiming he has a bias on every present series' eras with that aim of logic. :U

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Best thing about Bandanna Waddle Dee getting in is that I can laugh at all his detractors and drink their tears while I get to try out this new character that expands the roster by exactly one.

 

[ClaTheBae]

Well you gotta keep in mind that he's also had a large amount of support since the Smash 4 hype cycle. Dunno if the support was actually bigger than Joker but it was certainly more vocal. His inclusion would be pretty hype.

It was definitely bigger if only for the fact that people didn't think joker was a realistic pick. If Nintendo is going to continue to add characters we didn't think were possible, or at the very least are very shocking, Bandanna Dee doesn't really fit that criteria. Joker was shocking simply because literally no one thought it could happen. Piranha Plant was shocking because no one asked for it to happen. Just saying, if unpredictability plays a role in the future of the DLC, then I just can't see Bandanna Dee happening

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Delete please

 

[Deleted member]

Best thing about Bandanna Waddle Dee getting in is that I can laugh at all his detractors and drink their tears while I get to try out this new character that expands the roster by exactly one.

I may be a Bandana Dee hater, but even i find him in Smash as something fair and acceptable.

Dee isn’t at the level of Geno or Sylux (at least at the moment) mostly because he is important in almost every modern Kirby game released to this day.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I honestly don't know why but I just got a gut feeling Tracer from the overrated Overwatch is gonna get in...

 

[Peridorito]

Between Paper Mario and Geno I would 100% go Paper Mario, no question.

Paper Mario is one of my most wanted characters so I second this. But if I could get any Paper Mario character I'd go with Dimentio.

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

The only speculation characters who would be hype that I can see for DLC is Crash, Bandana Dee, maybe Elma, Dixie, maybe an LoZ character, Paper Mario, Geno, and... perhaps an FE or Pokémon rep.

Third parties are another question and might just be the whole crux of the DLC tbh. Yeah, there's no evidence to assume it'll all be 3rd Party, but I just can't shake the feeling. Joker as a start just gives the vibes that the Nintendo characters are done and it's time to move over.

 

[Opossum]

I honestly don't know why but I just got a gut feeling Tracer from the overrated Overwatch is gonna get in...

Tracer would be a hype addition.

 

[Wademan94]

Inb4 it's not Paper Mario that gets in as an RPG rep, but M&L Mario.

Granted, how do you make that sound good for the announcer to say? Hammer Mario?

Or you know an RPG rep that isn’t a version of Mario...

 

[Deleted member]

I honestly don't know why but I just got a gut feeling Tracer from the overrated Overwatch is gonna get in...

But i am already Tracer...

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Until we actually get a playable Kirby character from a post-Sakurai game, I will absolutely believe there's a reason for the lack of anyone beyond the three we have.

It's ironic. The bias that comes out of looking at this only with the Kirby series and never at any other franchises in this giant crossover that go through similar things, oy vey conspiracy theories can be annoying.

 

[ClaTheBae]

I honestly don't know why but I just got a gut feeling Tracer from the overrated Overwatch is gonna get in...

Teleporting Lesbian is one of my most wanted but I doubt she would happen.

Stranger things have happened though

 

[Bionichute]

So basically, there's some conspiracy theory that Sakurai has bias for Kirby except he doesn't really for anything not created by him.

Even though there's plenty of spirits and stuff from Kirby not created by him. Also, being an advisor does give him input and I don't know why you're trying to claim he hates the likes of Adeliene when we have no proof whatsoever.

sakurai was only the advisor on one game, he has nothing to do with any game adeleine is in, he might not even know she exists. i heard that the spirits were worked on by different people, which would mean that sakurai had no input on that either so the references there are completely unrelated to him

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

Or you know an RPG rep that isn’t a version of Mario...

Him or Dimentio and a ****ing Mr. L costume, please. Dark Bowser too, but we kinda have the colors in there already? Eh...

 

[hazza5557]

Who fights Marx apart frkm kirby on classic Mode?

 

[Opossum]

It's ironic. The bias that comes out of looking at this only with the Kirby series and never at any other franchises in this giant crossover that go through similar things, oy vey conspiracy theories can be annoying.

Way to ignore the follow up post.

The constant need to defend the sanctity of Sakurai's name is incredibly annoying. He's a man, not a god. People can absolutely have biases and there's nothing wrong with that. To call it a conspiracy theory just serves to keep up the "Sakurai can do no wrong, praise be to his name" circle jerk.

 

[Wademan94]

Who fights Marx apart frkm kirby on classic Mode?

Spoiler

Rosalina and Inkling

 

[Deleted member]

Teleporting Lesbian is one of my most wanted but I doubt she would happen.

Stranger things have happened though

I would love to see her alongside orange shirtless marsupial who spins to break any box crate on his way.

 

[Peridorito]

Who fights Marx apart frkm kirby on classic Mode?

Rosalina and Inkling.

Edit:

 

[osby]

I may be a Bandana Dee hater, but even i find him in Smash as something fair and acceptable.

Dee isn’t at the level of Geno or Sylux (at least at the moment) mostly because he is important in almost every modern Kirby game released to this day.

Bandana Dee is definitely not on the level of Geno or Sylux because he's on a higher level.

The only speculation characters who would be hype that I can see for DLC is Crash, Bandana Dee, maybe Elma, Dixie, maybe an LoZ character, Paper Mario, Geno, and... perhaps an FE or Pokémon rep.

Third parties are another question and might just be the whole crux of the DLC tbh. Yeah, there's no evidence to assume it'll all be 3rd Party, but I just can't shake the feeling. Joker as a start just gives the vibes that the Nintendo characters are done and it's time to move over.

I still think we'll get at least one Nintendo character. Corrin was in the last reveal after all.

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

Rosalina I get because of the constant hints and vavue descriptions of her being some cosmic goddess, but Inkling? Is it just because he's colorful?

 

[Deleted member]

Bandana Dee is definitely not on the level of Geno or Sylux because he's on a higher level.

That’s why i find Dee a fair and acceptable pick.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

sakurai was only the advisor on one game, he has nothing to do with any game adeleine is in, he might not even know she exists. i heard that the spirits were worked on by different people, which would mean that sakurai had no input on that either so the references there are completely unrelated to him

You realize how on each point you have to stretch for technical bits to facilitate this assumption of Sakurai having a bias against your longed for characters right?

 

[MasterOfKnees]

There's a time and place for when a series gets a lot of focus, Kirby got that back in Brawl, and since then there's been a bigger priority to expand series like FE, KI and Metroid, either due to timing or demand (or a bit of both). Some series like Mario and Pokémon always gets a lot of new stuff of course, but they pretty much transcend any sort of rules anyways.

I don't think Kirby's been anywhere near the top of the list when it comes to series that need new content since pre-Brawl, so although I'd love Bandana Dee, I think it's okay that nothing much happens for it with Ultimate, because it's still in a good spot. Come the next game I do think it'll be fair to expect a new Kirby character though, it's probably only behind Xenoblade and Sonic at that point.

I think any case for Sakurai-era bias can mostly only be argued when it comes to stage selection, and in that case I can definitely understand the argument.

 

[Idon]

Rosalina I get because of the constant hints and vavue descriptions of her being some cosmic goddess, but Inkling? Is it just because he's colorful?

Might be the octavius stand in?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Having played Kirby games with Bandanna Waddle Dee in them in a playable capacity, I just don’t really get the hype.

Like, i’ve mellowed our with my dislike of the character...he’s the go to player 4 for Kirby games with that formula. But gameplay wise, I find him boring.

Sure, his moveset makes itself. But he will poke and stab with a spear....swing it around to recover...ok? Just seems a bit boring. Like, on those grounds I can see why Sakurai would look him over despite popularity. Personally I can acknowledge the popularity but still ask, “Why?”

In terms of bias against the Kirby series, I just think it has more to do with already having the 3 most important picks in and perhaps not feeling the need to add more? Zelda has more than Kirby, for example, but they have effectively 2 Zeldas and 3 Links. Another series with great newcomer potential, but only scratching the surface with the main 3, and different iterations of them.

I mean hey, if BWD gets in he gets in. I’m just not all that interested because i’m not convinced he’d be all that compelling of an addition.

 

[Bionichute]

Rosalina I get because of the constant hints and vavue descriptions of her being some cosmic goddess, but Inkling? Is it just because he's colorful?

i read a theory that suggests he's supposed to represent octavio but i think its just because he's colorful and that's the theme of their classic mode

 

[Deleted member]

Having played Kirby games with Bandanna Waddle Dee in them in a playable capacity, I just don’t really get the hype.

Like, i’ve mellowed our with my dislike of the character...he’s the go to player 4 for Kirby games with that formula. But gameplay wise, I find him boring.

Sure, his moveset makes itself. But he will poke and stab with a spear....swing it around to recover...ok? Just seems a bit boring. Like, on those grounds I can see why Sakurai would look him over despite popularity. Personally I can acknowledge the popularity but still ask, “Why?”

In terms of bias against the Kirby series, I just think it has more to do with already having the 3 most important picks in and perhaps not feeling the need to add more? Zelda has more than Kirby, for example, but they have effectively 2 Zeldas and 3 Links. Another series with great newcomer potential, but only scratching the surface with the main 3, and different iterations of them.

I mean hey, if BWD gets in he gets in. I’m just not all that interested because i’m not convinced he’d be all that compelling of an addition.

Exactly my thoughts.

 

[Idon]

Having played Kirby games with Bandanna Waddle Dee in them in a playable capacity, I just don’t really get the hype.

Like, i’ve mellowed our with my dislike of the character...he’s the go to player 4 for Kirby games with that formula. But gameplay wise, I find him boring.

Sure, his moveset makes itself. But he will poke and stab with a spear....swing it around to recover...ok? Just seems a bit boring. Like, on those grounds I can see why Sakurai would look him over despite popularity. Personally I can acknowledge the popularity but still ask, “Why?”

In terms of bias against the Kirby series, I just think it has more to do with already having the 3 most important picks in and perhaps not feeling the need to add more? Zelda has more than Kirby, for example, but they have effectively 2 Zeldas and 3 Links. Another series with great newcomer potential, but only scratching the surface with the main 3, and different iterations of them.

I mean hey, if BWD gets in he gets in. I’m just not all that interested because i’m not convinced he’d be all that compelling of an addition.

Honestly, after some of the gimmick-fests of the SSB4/U newcomers, I'd be interested in seeing a simpler moveset and if those can still be relatively engaging.

 

[Bionichute]

i still think porky has like a 50/50 shot of being dlc

yall really think they would add in brick road and model the INSIDE of the monotoli building to look as close to how it did in earthbound and they just somehow forget to put porky in the game at all????

 

[SuperSceptile15]

I honestly don't know why but I just got a gut feeling Tracer from the overrated Overwatch is gonna get in...

I've never played Overwatch so I have no attachment to the game or its characters, but I would be interested to see how Tracer would fight if she got in.

 

[Pyra]

Having played Kirby games with Bandanna Waddle Dee in them in a playable capacity, I just don’t really get the hype.

Like, i’ve mellowed our with my dislike of the character...he’s the go to player 4 for Kirby games with that formula. But gameplay wise, I find him boring.

Sure, his moveset makes itself. But he will poke and stab with a spear....swing it around to recover...ok? Just seems a bit boring. Like, on those grounds I can see why Sakurai would look him over despite popularity. Personally I can acknowledge the popularity but still ask, “Why?”

In terms of bias against the Kirby series, I just think it has more to do with already having the 3 most important picks in and perhaps not feeling the need to add more? Zelda has more than Kirby, for example, but they have effectively 2 Zeldas and 3 Links. Another series with great newcomer potential, but only scratching the surface with the main 3, and different iterations of them.

I mean hey, if BWD gets in he gets in. I’m just not all that interested because i’m not convinced he’d be all that compelling of an addition.

i mean that's fine but lots of people want characters for their own reasons. lots of people think characters are boring for their own reason.

I'm super hype for Joker and Plant, you can bet that there are people that think one, the other, or both totally killed any dlc hype at all. So...

I don't care about BWD. But I think he's kinda cool for what he is, too, and people attach themselves to side characters all the time and shuttle them into popularity. *shrug*

Honestly, after some of the gimmick-fests of the SSB4/U newcomers, I'd be interested in seeing a simpler moveset and if those can still be relatively engaging.

this too tbh

 

[Deleted member]

Tracer is just a step closer to Crash’s inclusion in my eyes.

 

[osby]

i still think porky has like a 50/50 shot of being dlc

yall really think they would add in brick road and model the INSIDE of the monotoli building to look as close to how it did in earthbound and they just somehow forget to put porky in the game at all????

Yes, considering stage modelling and Spirit selecting are probably done by different people.

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

BWD can do more than use a spear, which, might I add, is one of the main reasons people wanted Krystal and because of the Sword hierarchy in FE.

I personally can't recall other instances off of memory, but I'm pretty sure there's more to him than "I throw spears"

 

[Idon]

Tracer is just a step closer to Crash’s inclusion in my eyes.

What

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Way to ignore the follow up post.

I saw the follow up. It's still a conspiracy theory at best. Claiming Sakurai doesn't want to overrep a series and get accused of bias when the Fire Emblem meme is a thing.

And going off of the info, he apparently hasn't made more of the modern games. If anything, if he was truly worried of being accused of bias, the argument of him being biased against anything Kirby that he didn't create wouldn't have grown to be the mantra that it is on sites like these.

The constant need to defend the sanctity of Sakurai's name is incredibly annoying.

Can we NOT assume fan devotion whenever the ideal gets debated please? I don't have that much attachment to the situation to begin with. Doesn't mean I don't know the circumstances, but I'm not out to defend anyone's honor of that's what you think.

To call it a conspiracy theory just serves to keep up the "Sakurai can do no wrong, praise be to his name" circle jerk.

By definition, it is a conspiracy theory. Especially considering its lack of facilitating evidence.

 

[Pyra]

BWD should get in with a Falchion and have his final smash be Critical Hit.