Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Bionichute]

Yes, considering stage modelling and Spirit selecting are probably done by different people.

i said this before but the main team could have literally given the spirit developers a mandate saying "no porky spirit", its a really simple thing

BWD can do more than use a spear, which, might I add, is one of the main reasons people wanted Krystal and because of the Sword hierarchy in FE.

I personally can't recall other instances off of memory, but I'm pretty sure there's more to him than "I throw spears"

he uses the parasol ability as his main weapon in battle royale

 

[Wademan94]

I would love to see her alongside orange shirtless marsupial who spins to break any box crate on his way.

The characters I want to see include:
-Ninja who gets knocked into pits
-Limbless freak of nature™
-Half-Genie bellydancer that turns into animals
-Lazy bear that carries mouthy bird on his back
-Cackling minion who speaks in broken English and lacks beef
-Chimp girlfriend who flies around with her ponytail
-Archeologist who’s team of trained animals will wipe the floor with yours

 

[SuperSceptile15]

BWD should get in with a Falchion and have his final smash be Critical Hit.

Don't forget a Down Special counter.

 

[Deleted member]

What

Tracer-> Blizzard character, and due to the Activision-Blizzard fusion she could also be taken as an Activision rep.
Crash Bandicoot-> Activision character who can also be taken as a Blizzard one due to the fusion.

Tracer opens the gate to Activision content in Smash.

 

[culumon]

My platonic ideal Bandana Dee In Smash is one that can swap between spear, beam rod and parasol. His smashes, tilts, aerials et all are all the same but with the damage/sweet spots slightly altered per weapon, while his specials are completely different between them.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

i still think porky has like a 50/50 shot of being dlc

yall really think they would add in brick road and model the INSIDE of the monotoli building to look as close to how it did in earthbound and they just somehow forget to put porky in the game at all????

My main problem with Porky's chances, is that Mother (Which was already a pretty niche franchise at best), has been confirmed finished by it's creator, and it's been this way for over ten years now...

What makes you think it will get another unique character as paid DLC before currently ongoing and relevant franchises?

 

[osby]

i said this before but the main team could have literally given the spirit developers a mandate saying "no porky spirit", its a really simple thing

I guess but looking too deeply into absences rarely ends well in Smash speculation.

 

[Bionichute]

i really refuse to believe that the spirit team put more priority into a character with 5 minutes of screentime, a phone, and a gag from the end of mother 3, than the actual main villain of two of the games who showed up in previous goddamn games

if they legitimately did that then they are actual idiots!

 

[Pyra]

The constant need to defend the sanctity of Sakurai's name is incredibly annoying.

T h a n k
Y o u
He's someone I totally look up to, and I even named my bird after him, but "he can do no wrong" mindsets of these people make me feel less like people respect him and more like people are just memeing about it for the likes

Don't forget a Down Special counter.

Marth is just a Goomba with blue hair

 

[blackghost]

I dont think tracer will get in for the simple factni dont know how to put rewind in smash. And yes that has to be in her moveset.
Rewind heals, repositions, and teleports tracer to a location where she was 3-5 seconds ago.
Its in her heroes of the storm moveset as well.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Rosalina I get because of the constant hints and vavue descriptions of her being some cosmic goddess, but Inkling? Is it just because he's colorful?

Well, his boss fight fits in well with Calamari Inkantation. So there's that.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Having played Kirby games with Bandanna Waddle Dee in them in a playable capacity, I just don’t really get the hype.

Like, i’ve mellowed our with my dislike of the character...he’s the go to player 4 for Kirby games with that formula. But gameplay wise, I find him boring.

Sure, his moveset makes itself. But he will poke and stab with a spear....swing it around to recover...ok? Just seems a bit boring. Like, on those grounds I can see why Sakurai would look him over despite popularity. Personally I can acknowledge the popularity but still ask, “Why?”

In terms of bias against the Kirby series, I just think it has more to do with already having the 3 most important picks in and perhaps not feeling the need to add more? Zelda has more than Kirby, for example, but they have effectively 2 Zeldas and 3 Links. Another series with great newcomer potential, but only scratching the surface with the main 3, and different iterations of them.

I mean hey, if BWD gets in he gets in. I’m just not all that interested because i’m not convinced he’d be all that compelling of an addition.

This sort of goes into why I began to lose a bit of hope for him when we were told not to expect too many newcomers, and why I really don't expect him as DLC. Again, I'd love to have him, but at the end of the day he's the 4th wheel of Kirby and is unlikely to have anything in his moveset that's really going to win non-fans over, as a big Kirby fan and someone who far prefers simplistic movesets I'm so on board with him, but with a limited selection of newcomers I don't think he's ever going to be made a priority by the development team. He's someone I could see being added if we ever get a newcomer roster close to the size of Brawl or Smash 4's again, but he's not a big enough of a deal to take like 1 out of 6 spots, unfortunately.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Rate these characters chances.

Banjo-Kazooie
Dante
Erdrick
Lloyd Irving
Poochy
Sylux

 

[Pyra]

I dont think tracer will get in for the simple factni dont know how to put rewind in smash. And yes that has to be in her moveset.
Rewind heals, repositions, and teleports tracer to a location where she was 3-5 seconds ago.
Its in her heroes of the storm moveset as well.

Uh...
Conceptually easily?
Just after a second or so teleport her where she was 3 seconds ago with whatever damage she had then.

EDIT: Give it a cooldown or make her easy to launch *shrug*

 

[osby]

i really refuse to believe that the spirit team put more priority into a character with 5 minutes of screentime, a phone, and a gag from the end of mother 3, than the actual main villain of two of the games who showed up in previous goddamn games

if they legitimately did that then they are actual idiots!

These are just image files in a video game, no need to be rude.

Uh...
Conceptually easily?
Just after a second or so teleport her where she was 3 seconds ago with whatever damage she had then.

Too easy, make it a counter.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Rate these characters chances.

Banjo-Kazooie
Dante
Erdrick
Lloyd Irving

Banjo 30%
Dante 40%
Erdrick 55%
Lloyd 45%
Poochy 2%
Sylux 15%

 

[Pyra]

Too easy, make it a counter.

I mean, I guess?
Especially if it brings a cooldown with it it's not a huge deal lol. And they'd have to bring her being... well, incredibly squishy along with it.

And yes, they could give her that extra cooldown mechanic and nobody can say anything that could convince me otherwise.
Cooldowns are kind of a big deal in OW for balancing, so it's an easy solution that turns a major issue into a totally trivial non-issue.


lol i would not like any overwatch characters getting in at all but i'm not gonna act like it'll ruin the experience for me though

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

said this before but the main team could have literally given the spirit developers a mandate saying "no porky spirit", its a really simple thing

I'm sorry, but weren't you earlier, claiming that Sakurai and the main team wouldn't influence the separate team, which is why characters that Sakurai supposedly has some bias against are still present, despite such a theory being a stretch in the first place?

That's a contradiction, as Phoenix Wright would put it.

 

[Sari]

Rate these characters chances.

Banjo-Kazooie
Dante
Erdrick
Lloyd Irving
Poochy
Sylux

Banjo: 20%
Dante: 20%
Erdrick: 15%
Lloyd: 55%
Poochy: 5%
Sylux: 15%

 

[Pyra]

Rate these characters chances.

Banjo-Kazooie
Dante
Erdrick
Lloyd Irving
Poochy
Sylux

0%. For all of them.
If they're in anybody's prediction lists at all, they won't make it in.

Such is the way of life.

 

[Deleted member]

T h a n k
Y o u
He's someone I totally look up to, and I even named my bird after him, but "he can do no wrong" mindsets of these people make me feel less like people respect him and more like people are just memeing about it for the likes

If you want to, i can share some stuff that i dislike from some of the games he created and i have played:

-The DK Rap remix and the way he made it worse since Smash 4.
-Goldeen being the worst Pokémon summon instead of Magikarp.
-Enviromental Noises being a thing on the Pikmin tracks.
-Young Link’s Final Smash.
-Samus wearing the Other M Varia Suit in Ultimate.
-Not bringing back Mute City from Melee in Ultimate.
-Smash Tour.
-The method to get Boss trophies in Brawl.
-Taking out Megaman’s Custom Moves in Ultimate.
-Pac-Man’s alts in Ultimate.
-The way he teased Kid Dracula for nothing in Ultimate.
-Tripping in Brawl.

 

[osby]

I mean, I guess?
Especially if it brings a cooldown with it it's not a huge deal lol. And they'd have to bring her being... well, incredibly squishy along with it.

And yes, they could give her that extra cooldown mechanic and nobody can say anything that could convince me otherwise.
Cooldowns are kind of a big deal in OW for balancing, so it's an easy solution that turns a major issue into a totally trivial non-issue.


lol i would not like any overwatch characters getting in at all but i'm not gonna act like it'll ruin the experience for me though

I was a joke but thanks for taking it seriously, reading about how Tracer would work in Smash was nice.

 

[praline]

Rate these characters chances.

Banjo-Kazooie
Dante
Erdrick
Lloyd Irving
Poochy
Sylux

75% for Dante and Erdrick
50% for Lloyd and Sylux
25% for Poochy and Banjo-Kazooie

 

[Pyra]

I was a joke but thanks for taking it seriously, reading about how Tracer would work in Smash was nice.

tbh she wouldn't for other reasons
Honestly if they were gonna put anyone in Smash from OW I'd want it to be Genji or something

Tracer's the "mascot" though... so....

 

[osby]

If you want to, i can share some stuff that i dislike from some of the games he created and i have played:

-The DK Rap remix and the way he made it worse since Smash 4.
-Goldeen being the worst Pokémon summon instead of Magikarp.
-Enviromental Noises being a thing on the Pikmin tracks.
-Young Link’s Final Smash.
-Samus wearing the Other M Varia Suit in Ultimate.
-Not bringing back Mute City from Melee in Ultimate.
-Smash Tour.
-The method to get Boss trophies in Brawl.
-Taking out Megaman’s Custom Moves in Ultimate.
-Pac-Man’s alts in Ultimate.
-The way he teased Kid Dracula for nothing in Ultimate.
-Tripping in Brawl.

Everyone's custom moves were removed, it's not unique to Mega Man. PAC-MAN's alt are likely a result of guest fighter negotiations. Aside from that, completely legit complaints.

Except Environmental Tracks slander, I won't stay silent to it

 

[Bionichute]

These are just image files in a video game, no need to be rude.

spirits are a massive part of the game though??? saying that they're just images is a pretty dumb thing to say when they have unique fights connected to them, and actually have gameplay reasons to exist

trophies are basically just 3d models, and they didn't forget porky in the last two games there

I'm sorry, but weren't you earlier, claiming that Sakurai and the main team wouldn't influence the separate team, which is why characters that Sakurai supposedly has some bias against are still present, despite such a theory being a stretch in the first place?

That's a contradiction, as Phoenix Wright would put it.

1. that really has nothing to do with it? there's a difference between planning ahead and actually having biases. if porky is dlc then obviously they wouldn't want him to have a spirit in the game before release. sakurai literally could just say "don't put in a porky spirit in because we want to make him playable" and that has nothing to do with his biases

2. can we not get snarky again please

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

If you want to, i can share some stuff that i dislike from some of the games he created and i have played:

-Enviromental Noises being a thing on the Pikmin tracks.

Did you just dis one of the best tracks in the game?!

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

Bandana Dee could even have references to his support and kind of pull a Pac-Man by throwing items at opponents, but Keychains since the only other things he's thrown have been healing items.

If Sakurai wants more creative liberty, he could say that he trained to master certain things that require Kirby in secret lile the ability to imbue element attacks to some of his attacks or summoning a hat cannon and shooting it at people for another projectile. His Spear Spin can also be a reflector if used right, and yes, to make him truly great, he will have a counter along with decent speed, frame data, mobility, and air game given he's a Kirby character.

Sakurai can finally make Kirby great again. 64 and Brawl were the peaks of the series with Kirby himself and Meta Knight being really good. Every odd number Smash will find some way to have an OP Kirby character. It's my personal fan rule.

 

[Deleted member]

You did not just dis the best song in the game...

Legends play Smash without any kind of music.

 

[Idon]

Psst, you're all forgetting a character from another team-based arena shooter with a huge impact on gaming:

 

[Pyra]

Psst, you're all forgetting a character from another team-based arena shooter with a huge impact on gaming:
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i'd love that if TF2 didn't make me sad these days

i miss 2009. Well... not the year so much as 2009 era TF2.

 

[SmashingXan2]

So, why is everyone putting Banjo Kazooie's chances so low now?

 

[osby]

spirits are a massive part of the game though??? saying that they're just images is a pretty dumb thing to say when they have unique fights connected to them, and actually have gameplay reasons to exist

trophies are basically just 3d models, and they didn't forget porky in the last two games there

Neither are a reason to call people idiots just because they overlooked a character.

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

Tracer demolishes Scout in both relevancy, popularity, and income for Nintendo.

She's also a lesbian, which is cool for representation. Her charactet is also pretty cool, although fron what I hear about Scout, the personality may be the only thing he beats her in.

 

[Pyra]

So, why is everyone putting Banjo Kazooie's chances so low now?

The more lists someone is in the less I expect them.

Tracer demolishes Scout in both relevancy, popularity, and income for Nintendo.

She's also a lesbian, which is cool for representation. Her charactet is also pretty cool, although fron what I hear about Scout, the personality may be the only thing he beats her in.

Scout would be better in a platform fighter inherently, I'd argue.

You're also allowed to directly quote the people you're responding to haha

 

[Deleted member]

tbh she wouldn't for other reasons
Honestly if they were gonna put anyone in Smash from OW I'd want it to be Genji or something

Tracer's the "mascot" though... so....

Crash is Activision’s mascot now.

With that in mind, i would expect one of these three scenarios if somehow we got two Activision-Blizzard reps:

>Crash Bandicoot and Spyro
>Crash Bandicoot and Pitfall Harry
>Crash Bandicoot and Tracer

Speaking of western companies too, i wouldn’t mind anyone who sees a Tt Games rep as something possible, since their LEGO Games can be completely based on original creations or involve stuff exclusive to their games (Lord Vortex and Chase McCain are examples of LEGO/Tt Games Characters that were born from videogames).

I wouldn’t find one likely, but i am fine with the people who do.

 

[osby]

So, why is everyone putting Banjo Kazooie's chances so low now?

Because there is no supporting proof in favor of them aside from "they are fan favorites".

The more lists someone is in the less I expect them.

Is this a new fan rule?

Or...fan expectation, I guess? Not that I expect speculation bandwagons to be real front runners.

 

[Pyra]

Crash is Activision’s mascot now.

I was talking about Overwatch's mascot........ lol

Is this a new fan rule?

You would insult me in this way, Osby?
Me, of all the people here?

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

So, why is everyone putting Banjo Kazooie's chances so low now?

I would've given them a higher score in a normal situation

But Microsoft also owning the gaming behemoths that are Halo and Minecraft, is no normal situation.

 

[Deleted member]

Tracer demolishes Scout in both relevancy, popularity, and income for Nintendo.

She's also a lesbian, which is cool for representation. Her charactet is also pretty cool, although fron what I hear about Scout, the personality may be the only thing he beats her in.

“X character is lesbian, so it should be in” isn’t a strong point to support a character.

Tracer should be considered for anything else, and not just for that alone.