Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Deleted member]

It's not gonna be Steve damnit

 

[Deleted member]

Has Sakurai ever outright said Mii Costume DLC were consolation and deconfirms a characters chances? Honestly can't remember.

 

[Gentlepanda]

It's not gonna be Steve damnit

careful son, that kind of certainty has been liable to get people

burned

 

[KarneraMythos]

Or what if Steve is the character, and Banjo is the Mii fighter costume?
I can really see it go either way...

Steve is a literal blank slate that Minecraft players modify to suit their image better. By putting Steve in the Swordfighter role, you essentially (and Alex for the female Mii Fighter) give the Minecraft fans a way to play as him like you would any Mii creation. Bonus points if you can import your Minecraft skins and use those as well, since Mii Fighters offer more leeway for alternate outfits as opposed to the 8 alts per non-Mii Fighter.

Has Sakurai ever outright said Mii Costume DLC were consolation and deconfirms a characters chances? Honestly can't remember.

Refer to my last post regarding this:

You do realize that costumes of non-playable characters are consolation prizes, and that those characters were never confirmed playable in the same game they debuted in, right? Inklings and K.Rool in particular had outfits in Smash 4, and none of them were in that game's DLC line-up. Come on my guy, you're smarter than this.

It's just an educated guess at this point. Nothing contradicts this belief.

 

[Idon]

Has Sakurai ever outright said Mii Costume DLC were consolation and deconfirms a characters chances? Honestly can't remember.

Well considering the entire reason the Rex outfit exists is because they didn't have time to put him in, I think that's a pretty safe inferrence.

 

[DraginHikari]

Yeah, but having the bone just encourages them to reuse that bone over and over and over again. That character might not have gotten in in the first place, but I'm sure having an easy placeholder to easily carry over probably doesn't help their chances.

And while you may like that, I don't. And I'm tired of being told that that's good enough and that everyone should be grateful with the scraps they get.

Honestly I think it makes little different regardless of the easy placeholder or not at all, the character likely had little chance of being realized because Sakurai, Nintendo, and the the development team likely didn't considering it in the first place.

Has Sakurai ever outright said Mii Costume DLC were consolation and deconfirms a characters chances? Honestly can't remember.

There never been a official statement on the matter that I am aware of, it's just a pattern of past behavior to draw off on.

 

[Gentlepanda]

Has Sakurai ever outright said Mii Costume DLC were consolation and deconfirms a characters chances? Honestly can't remember.

Also, we've never had a Mii costume of a character become a full character within the same game. K. Rool, Chrom and Inkling took a full game to be upgraded. It's still ultimately just pattern speculation, but I don't anticipate it being broken.

 

[Iridium]

So yea, R.O.B. dabs while he’s drowning in ultimate pic.twitter.com/cv7yFm8718

— KrazyBro (@KrazyBroo) December 11, 2018

Sure looks like it.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

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Steve is a literal blank slate that Minecraft players modify to suit their image better. By putting Steve in the Swordfighter role, you essentially (and Alex for the female Mii Fighter) give the Minecraft fans a way to play as him like you would any Mii creation. Bonus points if you can import your Minecraft skins and use those as well, since Mii Fighters offer more leeway for alternate outfits as opposed to the 8 alts per non-Mii Fighter.

Steve may be a blank slate, but limiting him to a Mii fighter costume would be such missed potential, assuming how unique his moveset could be...
Having a moveset focusing on terraforming and crafting would definitely be something new to the Smash series...
Imo, the best Smash characters are the ones who bring unique movesets and game mechanics with them...

 

[Deleted member]

Well considering the entire reason the Rex outfit exists is because they didn't have time to put him in, I think that's a pretty safe inferrence.

I took that more as base game than for DLC.

I'm not really into using these fan rules as guides for what can and can't be done with this series, as time and time again they're broken. I get it, it's all a part of speculation, but TBH I find it funny that these fan rules can't really ever be proven or disproven and we always get into these heated arguments about them.

Like, there's always an extreme in these discussions: A character has to either be a lock or completely deconfirmed, and if a leaker doesn't talk about 'em, get outta here. That, and this fan base likes to move in extremes. Geno was considered an obvious lock like 5 or so months ago, but now everyone's immediately jumped over to the "Never had a chance in the first place" side.

 

[Ali Baba 177]

Why is King Boo not in Ultimate? Feels wrong

 

[Zinith]

Zinith

He is complete. #SmashBros #NintendoSwitch pic.twitter.com/iDdvFthnJW

— AK (@Akfamilyhome) December 10, 2018

Why is this a thing. The Isabelle costume was already terrifying, and now this.

I...don't know if I love it or hate it.

Eh, at least the body is fine. I'll just use that for my "Zinith Mii"

 

[PlugMeister]

Why is King Boo not in Ultimate? Feels wrong

Because you can't hurt a ghost.

 

[Noipoi]

What's happening, Lads?

Are you listening to your hearts? Are you listening to the rain? Are you listening to the voices in your brain?

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

im curuous about what stuff I can make with Robin and thr Superhot Curry

 

[Gentlepanda]

What's happening, Lads?

Are you listening to your hearts? Are you listening to the rain? Are you listening to the voices in your brain?

i'm listening to gangplank galleon 30 mins loop

 

[Noipoi]

Why is King Boo not in Ultimate? Feels wrong

Cuz he's dead.

 

[OpticalBlast]

tbh everyone sleeping on a SNK character

I think its one of most likely dlc options.
SNK has been throwing there characters into crossovers everywhere recently.

Sakurai did talk about how he used to play King of Fighters a lot...

 

[Noipoi]

No matter how big and buff he is, he's still a kitten on the inside.

 

[Icedragonadam]

So theory:

If there are packs with thesecostumes, all of the 3rd party costumes will return along with new 3rd party ones and grouped by company.

So a mii costume pack would release alongside the Joker pack and have all the returning Sega costumes with new costumes that are 1st party & Sega. So in that case for characters:

1. Sega(Joker)
2. Namco(Lloyd/Yuri/Heihachi)
3. Square Enix(Sephiroth/DQ/Crono)
4. Capcom(Dante/Monster Hunter/Leon)
5.????(likely Microsoft)

 

[KarneraMythos]

Steve may be a blank slate, but limiting him to a Mii fighter costume would be such missed potential, assuming how unique his moveset could be...
Having a moveset focusing on terraforming and crafting would definitely be something new to the Smash series...
Imo, the best Smash characters are the ones who bring unique movesets and game mechanics with them...

I'm not denying that. I'm only providing an alternative since Steve being playable is brought up far more often. Sakurai would need to take some artistic licenses with him though, like how to portray chipped-off stage props and additional polygons/platforms. With 103+ stages and the terraforming mechanic, that could potentially kill any odds of Stage Builder returning, at least Smash 4's version.

 

[Deleted member]

So yea, R.O.B. dabs while he’s drowning in ultimate pic.twitter.com/cv7yFm8718

— KrazyBro (@KrazyBroo) December 11, 2018

Sure looks like it.

Nice.

Spoiler

Wait I just realized IS THE DIRE DIRE DOCKS THEME IN THIS GAME???

 

[T3Z3R1]

Nice.

Spoiler

Wait I just realized IS THE DIRE DIRE DOCKS THEME IN THIS GAME???

>that video

thanks i hate it anyway

also no dire dire dock theme in the game sorry

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

Cuz he's dead.

Ridley is canonically dead too but he’s still here.

 

[Noipoi]

Ridley is canonically dead too but he’s still here.

Nah, that's Ridley 24.

One of the many, many clones Ridley's got in his basement that get released whenever he dies and can't rebuild himself. He's always 14.5 steps ahead.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

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No matter how big and buff he is, he's still a kitten on the inside.

".....I like this box. Im staying here"

 

[Luigifan18]

".....I like this box. Im staying here"

If it fits, I sits.

 

[lightdrago]

Yo, Galeem was a dope fight

Spoiler: idk if I need to spoiler still but here ya go

I especially didn’t expect the suicide bomber fighter clones. That one threw me for a loop lmao.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Ridley is canonically dead too but he’s still here.

If the plot demands it they'll somehow bring Ridley back. You need to like atomize every single fiber of his body to keep him dead for good. That's why his fellow Space Pirates manages to keep bringing him back due to that regenerative technology they possess.

 

[Iridium]

I'm so bored right now...

Is there anything good to talk about?

 

[Zinith]

Cuz he's dead.

Spoiler

So is Solid Snake

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I'm so bored right now...

Is there anything good to talk about?

Talk about what Smash Bros. should crossover with in a Vs. fighting game?

Super Smash Bros. vs. Jump Stars (I've even finalized my ideal roster) is a pipe dream of mine but its more likely then not it'd crossover with Capcom and people probably wants that one more.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Ridley is canonically dead too but he’s still here.

The Metroid franchise doesn't even know what "dead" means.

 

[Noipoi]

Spoiler

So is Solid Snake

He's still alive.

In my heart.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I do wonder what the roster would be like in a Super Smash Bros. vs. Capcom game...

 

[Iridium]

Talk about what Smash Bros. should crossover with in a Vs. fighting game?

Super Smash Bros. vs. Jump Stars (I've even finalized my ideal roster) is a pipe dream of mine but its more likely then not it'd crossover with Capcom and people probably wants that one more.

Eh, that's not a bad idea. I'm just waiting for the DLC to crush every hope I thought I had at the moment.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Toad needs to get into Smash already.

He and Dixie Kong remain the most glaring omissions now for me.

I feel like Mario and Donkey Kong can't be complete without them.

Pauline to a lesser extent as well, but that's simply because she's the connection between the two titles and series.

Man Toad gets **** on by this fanbase and it annoys me to no end.

The fanbase constantly complains they want iconic characaters who have been around a long time and have shaped history. Characters that scream Nintendo and characters that provide stuff that no one else does.

Toad does literally all of that.

"Well yeah but he's lame..."

It's dumb.

 

[ClaTheBae]

He's still alive.

In my heart.

I mean technically, his death was never shown, right?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Even though I dropped the whole rivalry thing in my ideal game I thought for the fun of it to come up with as many rivalries as I can in my roster.

Mario (Super Mario Bros.) vs. Goku (Dragon Ball Z) - Mascots
Wario (WarioWare) vs. Gintoki Sakata (Gin Tama) - Greedy but lovable founders
King K. Rool (Donkey Kong) vs. Blackbeard (One Piece) - Evil pirates
Link (The Legend of Zelda) vs. Jotaro Kujo (Jojo's Bizarre Adventures) - Stoic silent protagonists
Ganondorf (The Legend of Zelda) vs. Dio Brando (Jojo's Bizarre Adventures) - Unkillable antagonists
Ridley (Metroid) vs. Frieza (Dragon Ball Z) - Genocidal aliens
Meta Knight (Kirby) vs. Kenpachi Zaraki (Bleach) - Honorable rivals
Pikachu (Pokemon) vs. Killua Zoldyck (HunterxHunter) - Electric based fighters
Ness (EarthBound) vs. Gon Freecss (HunterxHunter) - Happy-Go-Lucky adventurous kids
Pit (Kid Icarus) vs. Pegasus Seiya (Saint Seiya) - Gods chosen champions

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I mean technically, his death was never shown, right?

That means it never happened in fictionland.


And my headcannon.