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While the Smashified render debacle was neat, I'm not entirely sure Smash 4 speculation was that much better. It was the age of fan-made rules (more than now, anyway), Ridley's shadow, and "Pichu is the final DLC character, you'll see!".
I just mean there were a LOT less text leaks, haha
Laura Bailey, Tara Strong, and Johnny Yong Bosch.
Ridley's Shadow wasn't proven wrong entirely. It's true he wasn't playable. But Duck Hunt was still a stage hazard in some way but also playable... on the stage named Duck Hunt too. Basically, there was no reason to believe it was impossible for him to be playable, even as a hazard. At least till the game came out and Sakurai explained why he wasn't. It was silly to pretend he wasn't an obvious Hazard, but we already found out you can be a Hazard and Playable anyway. I don't think he was going to be playable either, but that was more due to how much time he spent on making Ridley unique, so time spent on him being playable didn't seem that realistic.
I wasn't talking about people wanting Pichu (because I wanted Pichu back, too)
Of course it does.I wasn't talking about people wanting Pichu (because I wanted Pichu back, too)
I'm talking about Pichu being the last DLC character, that makes no sense.
All of that is fair. On that last point, I just found it silly that one particular user was dead set on Pichu being in again (which he is now, so hey, everybody's happy, right?) as the last DLC for Smash 4, only to be blindsided by Bayo.
I wasn't talking about people wanting Pichu (because I wanted Pichu back, too)
I'm talking about Pichu being the last DLC character, that makes no sense.
The great taste of S O D I U M C H L O R I D E!
Ah, that. Yeah, I agree. Bayo felt like a better option due to being more unique. Pichu is a great character, but he got enough hate that people might not easily pay for him. Bayo was safer due to being a 3rd party overall. Coincidentally, it was safe in hindsight due to the ballot showing how popular she is.
You include Sandbag, but not Sandbag-Chan?
I'd argue a lot of echos don't really have anything ineresting to them other than a few tweaks. They are basically identical and don't add much other than "Look a bonus fighter!" Sakurai even called them a dessert to a meal.
Actually we could. In their home game, Popo can be played Solo. Smash Melee decided they had to be side by side. Smash set the standard. And they could just as as easily undo that standard. Just like Charizard was. But I don't want Alph to be separate from Pikmin anyway. Who does. I'm just saying that there is a distinct character in there that could very well justify another fighter.
I never implied that Alph should or would be separate from the Pikmin. However you could still add different properties to the Alph part of "Pikmin & Alph". Pikmin & Olimar could be different from Pikmin & Alph. Why not?
That's the silliest justification for a clone I've ever heard. If that's the real reason he was added than I believe it's an excuse and he was actually added because it was easy to do.
All those reasons seemed like major excuses. So if making Alph an echo because it would mean the Pikmin series would have another fighter is not a good reason, but having the Dr. Mario music in Melee is a good reason? Then Salurai is clearly delusional because that sounds absolutely absurd. I honestly have a hard time believing Sakurai is delusional so I'm going to assume the main reason some of these clones were made because they were easy to do. Not all. But some.
Well that's exactly why he could have been a clone in Smash 4 to promote Pikmin 3. Now the oppertunity has come and gone.
I feel you, I wanted Suicune as a newcomer but... *sniff* that's not happening. I also wanted Latios as a Gen 3 , with Latias as an alt, but I'm not sure that's anymore likely, but I haven't seen them as a Pokéball in Ultimate, so there's a slight glimmer of hope, a fine trail of light.
I might be the only one doing this, and I might be a few hours late, but I do want to talk about a topic very important to me.
thats my favorite voice actor! actually was saying the other day i thought red in the new wario ware sounded like him but im not sure if it is.
I actually think Red was voiced by Samuel Vincent (Double D from Ed, Edd n Eddy). Though I could be wrong.
Like a fresh New England lawn on the day of the summer solstice
oh snap it does sound like him now that you mention it. Ashleys such a cool character conceptually, lots of cool stuff you can do with her and red taunt wise and such.
Nah. Obviously, the Pokémon echo should be Tomoaki Imakuni for Pokémon Trainer.I might be the only one doing this, and I might be a few hours late, but I do want to talk about a topic very important to me.
And that's Spheal.
Arguably one of the least deserving characters of an Echo is Jigglypuff, with Pokémon already having many, many representatives and Jigglypuff being there just because she has the honor of being one of the original twelve- a relic of the nineties. But Spheal would be the perfect choice for a Jigglypuff echo. Gameplay-wise, he fits almost perfectly, with a few minor changes that fall under the Echo category. I'll talk about my Reasoning and the Gameplay mechanics behind it.
Resoning-wise, Spheal has very little holding him up for a spot on the illustrious Smash Roster. Spheal as a pokemon has recieved very little support from the Pokémon company themselves, and is primarily only seen in Ruby and Sapphire and its remakes. He has little major appearance in the Anime or Manga, and his evolution line has never recieved a piece of merchandise in this decade. Spheal itself has no actual connection to Jigglypuff besides their general shape. He's my stupid round little pipe-dream and I love him. HOWEVER! There are a few arguments supporting him. One, the lack of Hoenn representation in Smash is glaring, with only pokéball Pokémon appearing like Kyogre. Every other Generation has a stage or character. Also, there's no ice-type representation in the character roster, which isn't exactly a huge issue, but it's worth noting. I feel like he'd only be considered if Sakurai was desperate for an Echo for every single character, which likely isn't occurring since every single clone wasn't classified as an echo.
Gameplay-wise, there is a single glaring issue that seperates Spheal from Jigglypuff, being Jigglypuff's ability to float and multiple jumps. Spheal does not have this ability by any means in the Pokemon games, however, that hasn't stopped characters having abilities they don't canonically have from being implemented (ie Pit and Dark Pit flying). It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to see Spheal getting an extra jump or two. Or, they could simply change Spheal's weight as an echo difference, along the lines of Lucina not having a tipper. Spheal could be a bit weightier Jigglypuff with a focus on ground-play. All Jigg's specials would work with no major tweaking. Spheal shares Rest and Rollout (though, I feel like they'd use Ice Ball, a rollout clone and Spheal's former signature move), while Pound could easily be changed to a different melee move performing the same, perhaps Body Slam. The Major Difference is Spheal's lack of Sing. Even still, it could use Yawn instead for an easy clone. Or, if they wanted to be a bit more creative, have it use Encore for a slightly different effect. Spheal is more associated with Clapping than Singing, for it's the Clap Pokémon. Encore could lock a character into only using the last special they used, or it could work as a counter.
But yeah, the round boy himself. Thanks.
No, we must have Invader Zim in Smash with human costume Zim as an echo!
If we were to get a Pokémon Echo I would prefer Blaziken forI might be the only one doing this, and I might be a few hours late, but I do want to talk about a topic very important to me.
And that's Spheal.
Arguably one of the least deserving characters of an Echo is Jigglypuff, with Pokémon already having many, many representatives and Jigglypuff being there just because she has the honor of being one of the original twelve- a relic of the nineties. But Spheal would be the perfect choice for a Jigglypuff echo. Gameplay-wise, he fits almost perfectly, with a few minor changes that fall under the Echo category. I'll talk about my Reasoning and the Gameplay mechanics behind it.
Resoning-wise, Spheal has very little holding him up for a spot on the illustrious Smash Roster. Spheal as a pokemon has recieved very little support from the Pokémon company themselves, and is primarily only seen in Ruby and Sapphire and its remakes. He has little major appearance in the Anime or Manga, and his evolution line has never recieved a piece of merchandise in this decade. Spheal itself has no actual connection to Jigglypuff besides their general shape. He's my stupid round little pipe-dream and I love him. HOWEVER! There are a few arguments supporting him. One, the lack of Hoenn representation in Smash is glaring, with only pokéball Pokémon appearing like Kyogre. Every other Generation has a stage or character. Also, there's no ice-type representation in the character roster, which isn't exactly a huge issue, but it's worth noting. I feel like he'd only be considered if Sakurai was desperate for an Echo for every single character, which likely isn't occurring since every single clone wasn't classified as an echo.
Gameplay-wise, there is a single glaring issue that seperates Spheal from Jigglypuff, being Jigglypuff's ability to float and multiple jumps. Spheal does not have this ability by any means in the Pokemon games, however, that hasn't stopped characters having abilities they don't canonically have from being implemented (ie Pit and Dark Pit flying). It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to see Spheal getting an extra jump or two. Or, they could simply change Spheal's weight as an echo difference, along the lines of Lucina not having a tipper. Spheal could be a bit weightier Jigglypuff with a focus on ground-play. All Jigg's specials would work with no major tweaking. Spheal shares Rest and Rollout (though, I feel like they'd use Ice Ball, a rollout clone and Spheal's former signature move), while Pound could easily be changed to a different melee move performing the same, perhaps Body Slam. The Major Difference is Spheal's lack of Sing. Even still, it could use Yawn instead for an easy clone. Or, if they wanted to be a bit more creative, have it use Encore for a slightly different effect. Spheal is more associated with Clapping than Singing, for it's the Clap Pokémon. Encore could lock a character into only using the last special they used, or it could work as a counter.
But yeah, the round boy himself. Thanks.
. Blaziken fits Falcon's moveset very well and is pretty popular. The only holdup is separate series.
...If we were to get a Pokémon Echo I would prefer Blaziken for
I think you left out the part where Jigglypuff has feet and is thereby able to kick.I might be the only one doing this, and I might be a few hours late, but I do want to talk about a topic very important to me.
And that's Spheal.
Arguably one of the least deserving characters of an Echo is Jigglypuff, with Pokémon already having many, many representatives and Jigglypuff being there just because she has the honor of being one of the original twelve- a relic of the nineties. But Spheal would be the perfect choice for a Jigglypuff echo. Gameplay-wise, he fits almost perfectly, with a few minor changes that fall under the Echo category. I'll talk about my Reasoning and the Gameplay mechanics behind it.
Resoning-wise, Spheal has very little holding him up for a spot on the illustrious Smash Roster. Spheal as a pokemon has recieved very little support from the Pokémon company themselves, and is primarily only seen in Ruby and Sapphire and its remakes. He has little major appearance in the Anime or Manga, and his evolution line has never recieved a piece of merchandise in this decade. Spheal itself has no actual connection to Jigglypuff besides their general shape. He's my stupid round little pipe-dream and I love him. HOWEVER! There are a few arguments supporting him. One, the lack of Hoenn representation in Smash is glaring, with only pokéball Pokémon appearing like Kyogre. Every other Generation has a stage or character. Also, there's no ice-type representation in the character roster, which isn't exactly a huge issue, but it's worth noting. I feel like he'd only be considered if Sakurai was desperate for an Echo for every single character, which likely isn't occurring since every single clone wasn't classified as an echo.
Gameplay-wise, there is a single glaring issue that seperates Spheal from Jigglypuff, being Jigglypuff's ability to float and multiple jumps. Spheal does not have this ability by any means in the Pokemon games, however, that hasn't stopped characters having abilities they don't canonically have from being implemented (ie Pit and Dark Pit flying). It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to see Spheal getting an extra jump or two. Or, they could simply change Spheal's weight as an echo difference, along the lines of Lucina not having a tipper. Spheal could be a bit weightier Jigglypuff with a focus on ground-play. All Jigg's specials would work with no major tweaking. Spheal shares Rest and Rollout (though, I feel like they'd use Ice Ball, a rollout clone and Spheal's former signature move), while Pound could easily be changed to a different melee move performing the same, perhaps Body Slam. The Major Difference is Spheal's lack of Sing. Even still, it could use Yawn instead for an easy clone. Or, if they wanted to be a bit more creative, have it use Encore for a slightly different effect. Spheal is more associated with Clapping than Singing, for it's the Clap Pokémon. Encore could lock a character into only using the last special they used, or it could work as a counter.
But yeah, the round boy himself. Thanks.
