Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Opossum]

Tal Tal Heights better be on Great Plateau Tower after Breath of the Wild had a whole sidequest referencing Link's Awakening.

 

[Will]

Something about Stages in general: I'm still surprised we've had no Bob-Omb Battlefield or Whomp's Fortress. It's definitely more iconic than Peach's Castle or Rainbow Cruise for Mario 64, which is why it shocks me.

 

[NintenRob]

I could definitely see songs being on multiple stages, just look at the DLC for Smash Wii U. Specifically Mario Maker, Pirate Ship and Lost in Thoughts All Alone.


Although they definitely did attempt to try and keep songs unique, I think they sort of just gave up.

Regardless though, this game is going to have a HUGE potentially record breaking soundtrack.

Actually, what game does hold the record for most music?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I really want Linebeck's Theme and more Spirit Tracks and Skyward Sword music for sure.

Maybe...

Maybe we'll finally get a remix of the Inside a House theme and Shop themes!

 

[Opossum]

I'd love to have Sigilyph as a Poké Ball Pokémon. It could use Air Slash for rapid damage and windbox shenanigans.

 

[Will]

Aw jeez actual Pokeball Pokemon?

I want the entire Hitmon-family (except tyrogue) to make an appearance. I think all three have potential for something. Hitmonchan could be how Little Mac was as an AT in Brawl. Hitmonlee could just be the same as it was in 64. And Hitmontop can just spin 2 win I guess.

 

[PlayerOneTyler]

As far as Zelda Music, I hope they bring in some of the remixes from Hyrule Warriors. I love the rockish vibe on some of them:

Spoiler

Otherwise, just give me an infinite amount of Gerudo Valley remixes and it'll be perf.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

I hope we eventually get this into Smash

One of my favorite dungeons in Zelda period, besides all the Majora's Mask ones that is

 

[Idon]

Still waiting on a Termina Clocktower stage.

As the timer counts down, the moon could get closer and closer and the background get more hellish and dark. Skullkid could be flyin around causing mischief. Give me something here Sakurai.

I mean come on, that moon is goddamn iconic and it's relegated to being a distant background object at the Great Bay!

 

[Zinith]

The "Last Day" theme from Majora's Mask would be great...

 

[Jedisupersonic]

The "Last Day" theme from Majora's Mask would be great...

That'd be the final stock theme on the stage much like how the Street Fighter themes go into a pinch theme on the final stock.

 

[NintenRob]

I want Stone Tower for Majora's Mask. Especially the music.


Clock Town would be great but features the issue of the moon being directly above it. So it would be hard to see. Changing this could work but would make it less interactive and you get the same thing as Great Bay.


Honestly, with Great Bay back, I have less need for a new Majora's Mask stage.


With that said. I WANT SKULL KID PLAYABLE MORE THAN EVER!!


Match-up against Young Link!
Great Bay for home stage!
More cinematic Final Smashes so Moon awesomeness!
amiibo!

 

[Tree Gelbman]

If we got Skull Kid as a newcomer what would his reveal music be? So much of the Majora's Mask music I can think of is too dark and foreboding for a reveal trailer/Smash.

 

[Will]

Match-up against Young Link!
Great Bay for home stage!
More cinematic Final Smashes so Moon awesomeness!
amiibo!

Make him a boss.

 

[NintenRob]

If we got Skull Kid as a newcomer what would his reveal music be? So much of the Majora's Mask music I can think of is too dark and foreboding for a reveal trailer/Smash.

Have his theme be part of a Majora's Mask medley and use that.

Stone Tower would work too I reckon.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

I want Stone Tower for Majora's Mask. Especially the music.


Clock Town would be great but features the issue of the moon being directly above it. So it would be hard to see. Changing this could work but would make it less interactive and you get the same thing as Great Bay.


Honestly, with Great Bay back, I have less need for a new Majora's Mask stage.

I wonder if the underside of Great Bay is gonna be bthrow hell again in those goofy casual matches.

 

[NintenRob]

I wonder if the underside of Great Bay is gonna be bthrow hell again in those goofy casual matches.

Doubtful, Swimming will see to that.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Doubtful, Swimming will see to that.

I keep forgetting swimming has been a mechanic since Brawl somehow.

 

[Slavic]

Boy this is a daunting task, but I guess I'll go for it in spite of my fear.

I decided to go 7 songs per stage, which is just enough to ensure every stage gets at least one new song without draining all of my desire to listen to LoZ music ever again. Any new songs added by yours truly are listed in fancy gold, though I couldn't be asked to underline all the remixes so be warned that there are duplicate titles on there. Pobody's nerfect!

Spoiler: Hyrule Castle

Hyrule Castle (The Legend of Zelda)
Overworld Theme (The Legend of Zelda)
Dungeon (The Legend of Zelda)
The Legend of Zelda Medley (The Legend of Zelda)
Overworld Theme (The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past)
Hyrule Field Theme (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Zelda's Lullaby (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)

Spoiler: Great Bay

Main Theme (The Legend of Zelda)
Saria's Song (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Great Fairy's Fountain (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Clock Town (The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask)
Termina Field (The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask)
Termina Field (The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask)
Astronomical Observatory (The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask)

Spoiler: Temple

Temple (Zelda II: The Adventure of Link)
Great Temple / Temple (Zelda II: Adventure of Link)
Dark World / Dark World Dungeon (The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past)
The Dark World (The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past)
Yuga Battle (Hyrule Castle) (The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds)
Hyrule Main Theme (The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds)
Shadow Temple (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)

Spoiler: Bridge of Eldin

Main Theme Ver. 2 (The Legend of Zelda)
Hidden Mountains & Forest (The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past)
Hyrule Field Theme (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Main Theme (The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess)
The Hidden Village (The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess)
Midna's Lament (The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess)
Calamity Ganon (The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild)

Spoiler: Pirate Ship

Song of Storms (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Water Temple (The Legend of Zelda: The Ocarina of Time)
Dragon Roost Island (The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
The Great Sea (The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker)
The Great Sea / Menu Select (The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker)
Outset Island (The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker)
Village of the Blue Maiden (The Legend of Zelda: Four Sword Adventures

Spoiler: Gerudo Valley

Ocarina of Time Medley (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Gerudo Valley (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Gerudo Valley (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Spirit Temple (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Gerudo Desert (The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess)
Gerudo Town (The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild)
Yiga Clan (The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild)

Spoiler: Spirit Train

Molgera Battle (The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker)
Beedle's Shop (The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker)
Title Theme (The Legend of Zelda: The Phantom Hourglass)
Full Steam Ahead! (The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks)
Battle on the Tracks! (The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks)
Link and Zelda's Duet (The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks)
Title Theme (The Legend of Zelda: Tri Force Heroes)

Spoiler: Skyloft

Tal Tal Heights: (The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening)
Main Theme / Underworld Theme (The Legend of Zelda)
Saria's Song / Middle Boss Battle (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Ballad of the Goddess (The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword)
Ballad of the Goddess / Ghirahim's Theme (The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword)
Groose (The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword)
Lorule Main Theme (The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds)

Spoiler: Great Plateau

Title (The Legend of Zelda)
Main Theme (The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild)
Wilds (The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild) [A medley of various themes from BotW, including horseriding, day/night shift, etc.]
Battle (The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild)
Champion's Ballad (The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild)
Sheikah Tower (The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild)
Shrine (The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild)

 

[Will]

Boy this is a daunting task, but I guess I'll go for it in spite of my fear.

I decided to go 7 songs per stage, which is just enough to ensure every stage gets at least one new song without draining all of my desire to listen to LoZ music ever again. Any new songs added by yours truly are listed in fancy gold, though I couldn't be asked to underline all the remixes so be warned that there are duplicate titles on there. Pobody's nerfect!

Spoiler: Hyrule Castle

Hyrule Castle (The Legend of Zelda)
Overworld Theme (The Legend of Zelda)
Dungeon (The Legend of Zelda)
The Legend of Zelda Medley (The Legend of Zelda)
Overworld Theme (The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past)
Hyrule Field Theme (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Zelda's Lullaby (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)

Spoiler: Great Bay

Main Theme (The Legend of Zelda)
Saria's Song (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Great Fairy's Fountain (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Clock Town (The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask)
Termina Field (The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask)
Termina Field (The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask)
Astronomical Observatory (The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask)

Spoiler: Temple

Temple (Zelda II: The Adventure of Link)
Great Temple / Temple (Zelda II: Adventure of Link)
Dark World / Dark World Dungeon (The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past)
The Dark World (The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past)
Yuga Battle (Hyrule Castle) (The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds)
Hyrule Main Theme (The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds)
Shadow Temple (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)

Spoiler: Bridge of Eldin

Main Theme Ver. 2 (The Legend of Zelda)
Hidden Mountains & Forest (The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past)
Hyrule Field Theme (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Main Theme (The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess)
The Hidden Village (The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess)
Midna's Lament (The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess)
Calamity Ganon (The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild)

Spoiler: Pirate Ship

Song of Storms (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Water Temple (The Legend of Zelda: The Ocarina of Time)
Dragon Roost Island (The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
The Great Sea (The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker)
The Great Sea / Menu Select (The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker)
Outset Island (The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker)
Village of the Blue Maiden (The Legend of Zelda: Four Sword Adventures

Spoiler: Gerudo Valley

Ocarina of Time Medley (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Gerudo Valley (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Gerudo Valley (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Spirit Temple (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Gerudo Desert (The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess)
Gerudo Town (The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild)
Yiga Clan (The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild)

Spoiler: Spirit Train

Molgera Battle (The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker)
Beedle's Shop (The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker)
Title Theme (The Legend of Zelda: The Phantom Hourglass)
Full Steam Ahead! (The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks)
Battle on the Tracks! (The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks)
Link and Zelda's Duet (The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks)
Title Theme (The Legend of Zelda: Tri Force Heroes)

Spoiler: Skyloft

Tal Tal Heights: (The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening)
Main Theme / Underworld Theme (The Legend of Zelda)
Saria's Song / Middle Boss Battle (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Ballad of the Goddess (The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword)
Ballad of the Goddess / Ghirahim's Theme (The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword)
Groose (The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword)
Lorule Main Theme (The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds)

Spoiler: Great Plateau

Title (The Legend of Zelda)
Main Theme (The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild)
Wilds (The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild) [A medley of various themes from BotW, including horseriding, day/night shift, etc.]
Battle (The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild)
Champion's Ballad (The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild)
Sheikah Tower (The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild)
Shrine (The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild)

Why is Molgera in the not Wind Waker stage? My mind hurts.

 

[Slavic]

Why is Molgera in the not Wind Waker stage? My mind hurts.

Very very specific reason.

The CHKCHKCHKCHKCHKHCKHCKHCK sounds like a train

 

[Will]

Very very specific reason.

The CHKCHKCHKCHKCHKHCKHCKHCK sounds like a train

I can't even argue with that. You win this round.

 

[DemonRin]

Nothing like a new game to make you shake the cobwebs out of some old accounts. I need to not let myself get dormant in the Smash Community anymore.

Either way, the game looks so good... I was not expecting everyone back, but I'm hype as all hell.

Still waiting on a Termina Clocktower stage.

As the timer counts down, the moon could get closer and closer and the background get more hellish and dark. Skullkid could be flyin around causing mischief. Give me something here Sakurai.

I mean come on, that moon is goddamn iconic and it's relegated to being a distant background object at the Great Bay!

This is an amazing idea I endorse fully. Great bay is awesome, but that Moon is such an iconic part of Majora's Mask. It NEEDS to be a more integral part of a stage than floating window dressing.

 

[KMDP]

Ah, caught up. There were fewer new pages made while I was sleeping than I was expecting (though it looks like several posts might have been deleted due to that one "what is a legal party?" argument?).

I was wondering about Camelot. Aren't they listed in the list of rights holders for Smash Ultimate? Do they need to be credited for Waluigi?

Because one could make a case about Isaac being in the game as at least an assist trophy if Camelot doesn't need to be credited for Waluigi.

 

[Will]

Ah, caught up. There were fewer new pages made while I was sleeping than I was expecting (though it looks like several posts might have been deleted due to that one "what is a legal party?" argument?).

I was wondering about Camelot. Aren't they listed in the list of rights holders for Smash Ultimate? Do they need to be credited for Waluigi?

Because one could make a case about Isaac being in the game as at least an assist trophy if Camelot doesn't need to be credited for Waluigi.

Check to see if they're credited in Mario Tennis Aces.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Nothing like a new game to make you shake the cobwebs out of some old accounts. I need to not let myself get dormant in the Smash Community anymore.

Yeah I got dormant myself x.x heres to both of us being more active here.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Ah, caught up. There were fewer new pages made while I was sleeping than I was expecting (though it looks like several posts might have been deleted due to that one "what is a legal party?" argument?).

I was wondering about Camelot. Aren't they listed in the list of rights holders for Smash Ultimate? Do they need to be credited for Waluigi?

Because one could make a case about Isaac being in the game as at least an assist trophy if Camelot doesn't need to be credited for Waluigi.

I haven't seen Camelot in the copyright.

 

[splat]

I haven't seen Camelot in the copyright.

I mean, that's not necessary until they reveal he's in the game, right? I remember development studios got added to the credits during previous Smash games when their character was revealed, so I doubt it'd be any different this time around.

 

[DemonRin]

Camelot could be involved for any number of things. Are there any music tracks in Sm4sh that are specifically from any Mario Sports games?

Isaac in the game as an assist trophy or, dream of dreams, a playable character would be amazing... I just don't think Camelot copyright alone really leans in that direction at all.

 

[KMDP]

I haven't seen Camelot in the copyright.

Hmm, I seem to remember someone, somewhere (not here), mentioning Camelot in the copyright listings. Obviously they were wrong.

Camelot could be involved for any number of things. Are there any music tracks in Sm4sh that are specifically from any Mario Sports games?

Isaac in the game as an assist trophy or, dream of dreams, a playable character would be amazing... I just don't think Camelot copyright alone really leans in that direction at all.

I'm one of those people who is of the mindset that assist trophies (or the Pokéballs) are "hey, at least they're in the game". Being playable is the dream though.

 

[BlondeLombax]

I'm one of those people who is of the mindset that assist trophies (or the Pokéballs) are "hey, at least they're in the game". Being playable is the dream though.

Preach it, my friend. I wanted Bomberman and Waluigi, but I'm content with their current positions. Besides, I've got my Pittoo back, and most everything from Brawl's multiplayer. I'm pretty much set.

Still holding out hope for an Agent 8 Echo of the Inklings, though.

 

[RiotLupine]

If there is any track from Hyrule Warriors I'm hoping for, it's this one right here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_skX8a3fwec

I could see this fit Bridge of Eldin very well.

 

[DemonRin]

My biggest desire is some kind of comprehensive Single player mode a-la Adventure mode in Melee or Subspace Emissary. I know not everyone loved SSE, but I loved the interactions between the characters in the story. It was fun.

 

[Deleted member]

Are we still discussing stages?
Because I still think Ultra Space with summons would be dope. Also, this song is a must.

 

[KMDP]

My biggest desire is some kind of comprehensive Single player mode a-la Adventure mode in Melee or Subspace Emissary. I know not everyone loved SSE, but I loved the interactions between the characters in the story. It was fun.

Something I'd like to see is unlockable characters getting short intro sequences when you have to battle them, like what Luigi (and to a lesser extent Falco) got in Adventure Mode in Melee.

With the sheer number of unlockable characters in Ultimate though... probably not too likely.

 

[DemonRin]

Are we still discussing stages?
Because I still think Ultra Space with summons would be dope. Also, this song is a must.

Nice pick! Stage Hazards could be the Ultra Beasts jumping in to attack you. Maybe even include Mother of the Year fused with Nihilego in there too as a "Boss".

 

[RiotLupine]

Preach it, my friend. I wanted Bomberman and Waluigi, but I'm content with their current positions. Besides, I've got my Pittoo back, and most everything from Brawl's multiplayer. I'm pretty much set.

Still holding out hope for an Agent 8 Echo of the Inklings, though.

Sorry dude. They are here, but no Echo.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfrbzKyUwAUgWjD.jpg

 

[Will]

My biggest desire is some kind of comprehensive Single player mode a-la Adventure mode in Melee or Subspace Emissary. I know not everyone loved SSE, but I loved the interactions between the characters in the story. It was fun.

See below:

Can we also agree on any type of SSE sequel will likely never resurface in some shape or form? You have almost 70 characters (assuming the final roster is 70 pre-DLC), and you expect Sakurai to fit them all into some big 'ol story when Brawl's was already fairly large (in content) and almost half the roster size at 37? That type of development time would take a long, long, long time if they wanted to get it as gucci as possible.

At best we could settle for another Adventure Mode-esque thing where you had long levels designed after IPs. Maybe something like Gaur Plains, Skyworld, and Magicant as examples of something they could use to fill with enemies. Watch me be so wrong

 

[Jetsurge]

Something about Stages in general: I'm still surprised we've had no Bob-Omb Battlefield or Whomp's Fortress. It's definitely more iconic than Peach's Castle or Rainbow Cruise for Mario 64, which is why it shocks me.

We need Bowser's castle

 

[Will]

Sorry dude. They are here, but no Echo.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfrbzKyUwAUgWjD.jpg

I legit own one of those skull face masks. They're pretty popular during winter time.