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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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The more I think about it, the more I'm interested in maybe instead of Dixie being an Echo, her being basically a hodgepodge.

Shares the same B and Side-B with Diddy, but has DK's Up-B and Down-B.
 

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I'd love another Metroid stage. Sanctuary Fortress would be good from Prime 2. Or Phaaze from Prime 3. It'd work, especially if Dark Samus somehow makes it in.
 

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Speaking of Mewtwo I used to do something mildly embarrassing in Melee as a kid, since I was super into DBZ (am super into Dragon Ball in general still but).

He took the place of Frieza in my mock battles. When I imitated Frieza saga stuff.
 

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Are the Yoshi's Island stages gonna be Yoshi's Island 64, Yoshi's Island Melee and Yoshi's Island Brawl?

Seriously, 3 ****ing stages named the same way. This is Yoshi's legacy in Smash
To my knowledge, the only Yoshi stages spotted so far are Yoshi's Island 64, Yoshi's Story and Yoshi's Island Brawl

Yoshi's Island Melee and Yoshi's Woolly World are currently AWOL although I'd be surprised if they didn't make it in.
 

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Yes, yes it would.

To be honest, with how they even have had two Yoshi's Story, seeing every stage come back would be sweeeeeeeeet. I prefer Sector Z over Corneria. I like the size. >.>
Palutena's Temple to me is just 8-Player Skyworld.
Sector Z would just be 8-Player Corneria.
How about them apples? :4pacman:
 
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I see people talking about DLC for this game a name that i dont see is sephiroth. i dont know why that is. we currently only have half of one of the most iconic hero villain dous clashes in videogame history. i do think smash ultimate would want a dlc character that would break the internet and sephiroth is one of the few characters that can do that.
i cannot really see dante as another capcom rep but possible protoman or chun. plus this community couldnt deal with dante. marth with bayo combos yeah this community would poison itself on toxicity.

words fail me on how much i do not want to see goku anywhere near this game. not refrenced, not given a costume, or anything else.

i think dlc will be reserved for newer characters and third party. they generate the most interest and "nintendo smash purirsts" will just have to hold that L or not buy it.
 

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Ya know, I'm already dreading the July drought.

Back in Brawl and Smash4 days, it was managable because every night had a chance of being something new that we had never seen before, and we were always on edge as to what we'd see next.

Now? We're pretty much set for the next month since Julys almost never get Directs, so everything's gonna be rehashed.

:sadsheep:
I just hope we at least get more new Assist Trophies and Poke Ball Pokemon revealed in the blog so we know who is deconfirmed.
 

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The more I think about it, the more I'm interested in maybe instead of Dixie being an Echo, her being basically a hodgepodge.

Shares the same B and Side-B with Diddy, but has DK's Up-B and Down-B.
We've decided to call semi-clones a little something different.

''Hodgepodge Fighters."'

Cue the internet intensely trying to shove every known character in existence into a Hodgepodge Fighter.
 

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So I was always been a supporter of King k rool for the longest time hopefully he's in Smash ultimate
 

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We've decided to call semi-clones a little something different.

''Hodgepodge Fighters."'

Cue the internet intensely trying to shove every known character in existence into a Hodgepodge Fighter.
"Man wouldn't it be cool if [insert random character] was a [made up substitute for the word clone] of [character that has no connection with other character]?"
 
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"Man wouldn't it be cool if [insert random character] was a [made up substitute for the word clone] of [character that has no connection with other character]?"
I wasn't lying when I said Giygas looked like Mewtwo on life support.
 

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I wasn't lying when I said Giygas looked like Mewtwo on life support.
He also has psychic powers, a fetal motif and is a pretty fast and hard hitting character stats wise. There's actually a ton of overlap between these two if you think about it.

Plus you have to admit its kinda ironic that the one character in Smash who canonically is a clone doesn't have any clone characters.
 

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Speaking of Giegue/Giygias, while Porky would probably be choosed over him if Sakurai decided to include a new Mother character that is vilain. I honestly be very interested to see what Sakurai could do with Giegue if he decided to make him a character. I mean, we already have Ridley killing Mario & Mega Man, why not raise the nightmare fuel a notch?:ultridley:
 

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He also has psychic powers, a fetal motif and is a pretty fast and hard hitting character stats wise. There's actually a ton of overlap between these two if you think about it.

Plus you have to admit its kinda ironic that the one character in Smash who canonically is a clone doesn't have any clone characters.
The only problem I see with Giygas is turning him into a 3D model. Of course there was :4duckhunt: and the Brawl glowup of :pit: but come on, Giegue (that's what people used to call that version of him I believe) looked like a set veins with a head and rat tail. Of course there's the obvious fan art that exists, but I want to see what he could look like as a model, and I haven't seen anyone apply that yet.
 

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Okay, here's a topic I don't see many people bringing up.

Music.

I'll use Zelda as an example.

Let's take a look at the confirmed Zelda stages for Ultimate.

Hyrule Caslte (N64)
Great Bay (Melee)
Temple (Melee)
Bridge of Eldin (Brawl)
Gerudo Valley (3DS)
Spirit Train (3DS)
Skyloft (Wii U)
Great Plateau Tower (Ultimate)

That's 8 stages. Only missing stage is Pirate Ship which could easily make it in the game.

That said... that... is a lot of stages.

But my question is... how is the music gonna work? Where are the tracks going?

I'll go ahead and list every track from Zelda we've had in the Smash. Note: I'm not including jingles like the victory themes. Remixed tracks will be underlined.

I'll also list the Smash game the track debuted in and the original source for the track.

N64 Tracks:
Hyrule Castle (The Legend of Zelda)

Melee Tracks:
Main Theme (The Legend of Zelda)
Temple (Zelda II: The Adventure of Link)
Saria's Song (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)


Brawl Tracks:
Main Theme Ver. 2 (The Legend of Zelda)
Title (The Legend of Zelda)
Great Temple / Temple (Zelda II: Adventure of Link)
The Dark World (The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past)
Hidden Mountains & Forest (The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past)
Tal Tal Heights: (The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening)
Ocarina of Time Medley (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Hyrule Field Theme (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Song of Storms (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Gerudo Valley (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)

Termina Field: (The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask)
Dragon Roost Island (The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
The Great Sea (The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker)
Molgera Battle (The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker)
Village of the Blue Maiden (The Legend of Zelda: Four Sword Adventures
Main Theme (The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess)
The Hidden Village (The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess)
Midna's Lament (The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess)


Smash 4 Tracks:
Overworld Theme (The Legend of Zelda)
The Legend of Zelda Medley (The Legend of Zelda)
Main Theme / Underworld Theme (The Legend of Zelda)

Overworld Theme (The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past)
Dark World / Dark World Dungeon (The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past)
Hyrule Field Theme (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Saria's Song / Middle Boss Battle (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Gerudo Valley (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
The Great Sea / Menu Select (The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker)
Full Steam Ahead! (The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks)

Ballad of the Goddess (The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword)
Ballad of the Goddess / Ghirahim's Theme (The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword)
Lorule Main Theme (The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds)
Yuga Battle (Hyrule Castle) (The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds)
Hyrule Main Theme (The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds)

Ultimate Tracks:
Termina Field (The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask)
Title Theme (The Legend of Zelda: Tri Force Heroes)
Main Theme (The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild)




As you can see, we have a lot of tracks.

Even then. I don't think its enough. Unless each stage has less tracks, I don't think we have enough tracks to fit on each stage.

So, I ask you two questions.

1. Which Zelda tracks do you think will go on each stage?
2. Which new Zelda tracks do you see being added?
 
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Okay, here's a topic I don't see many people bringing up.

Music.

I'll use Zelda as an example.

Let's take a look at the confirmed Zelda stages for Ultimate.

Hyrule Caslte (N64)
Great Bay (Melee)
Temple (Melee)
Bridge of Eldin (Brawl)
Gerudo Valley (3DS)
Spirit Train (3DS)
Skyloft (Wii U)
Great Plateau Tower (Ultimate)

That's 8 stages. Only missing stage is Pirate Ship which could easily make it in the game.

That said... that... is a lot of stages.

But my question is... how is the music gonna work? Where are the tracks going?

I'll go ahead and list every track from Zelda we've had in the Smash. Note: I'm not including jingles like the victory themes. Remixed tracks will be underlined.

I'll also list the Smash game the track debuted in and the original source for the track.

N64 Tracks:
Hyrule Castle (The Legend of Zelda)

Melee Tracks:
Main Theme (The Legend of Zelda)
Temple (Zelda II: The Adventure of Link)
Saria's Song (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)


Brawl Tracks:
Main Theme Ver. 2 (The Legend of Zelda)
Title (The Legend of Zelda)
Great Temple / Temple (Zelda II: Adventure of Link)
The Dark World (The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past)
Hidden Mountains & Forest (The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past)
Tal Tal Heights: (The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening)
Ocarina of Time Medley (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Hyrule Field Theme (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Song of Storms (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Gerudo Valley (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)

Termina Field: (The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask)
Dragon Roost Island (The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
The Great Sea (The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker)
Molgera Battle (The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker)
Village of the Blue Maiden (The Legend of Zelda: Four Sword Adventures
Main Theme (The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess)
The Hidden Village (The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess)
Midna's Lament (The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess)


Smash 4 Tracks:
Overworld Theme (The Legend of Zelda)
The Legend of Zelda Medley (The Legend of Zelda)
Main Theme / Underworld Theme (The Legend of Zelda)

Overworld Theme (The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past)
Dark World / Dark World Dungeon (The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past)
Hyrule Field Theme (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Saria's Song / Middle Boss Battle (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Gerudo Valley (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
The Great Sea / Menu Select (The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker)
Full Steam Ahead! (The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks)

Ballad of the Goddess (The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword)
Ballad of the Goddess / Ghirahim's Theme (The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword)
Lorule Main Theme (The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds)
Yuga Battle (Hyrule Castle) (The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds)
Hyrule Main Theme (The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds)

Ultimate Tracks:
Termina Field (The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask)
Title Theme (The Legend of Zelda: Tri Force Heroes)
Main Theme (The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild)




As you can see, we have a lot of tracks.

Even then. I don't think its enough. Unless each stage has less tracks, I don't think we have enough tracks to fit on each stage.

So, I ask you two questions.

1. Which tracks do you think will go on each stage?
2. Which new tracks do you see being added?
Ultra Necrozma's theme and Welcome to Alola in the new Pokemon stage
Calamari Inkantation in Moray Towers
 

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The only problem I see with Giygas is turning him into a 3D model. Of course there was :4duckhunt: and the Brawl glowup of :pit: but come on, Giegue (that's what people used to call that version of him I believe) looked like a set veins with a head and rat tail. Of course there's the obvious fan art that exists, but I want to see what he could look like as a model, and I haven't seen anyone apply that yet.

Honestly, you could base him heavily off of Mewtwo with just a few standout alterations and it would be peachy really.
 

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If Bayonetta's version of Fly Me to the Moon isn't on Umbra Clock tower?

There shall be a riot in the streets with bloodshed.
 

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Gah. I forgot a bit about that. They are affiliated with The Pokemon Company now, making cards and such. But that's probably irrelevant, so eh.
Pretty much all they do now game wise is either assist Gamefreak or make spinoffs. Most recently they developed Detective Pikachu but it's been awhile since they made anything original themselves.

And of course Creatures use to be Ape which helped develop the Mother/EarthBound series.
 

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Let me clarify.

FOR NOW I'M ONLY TALKING ABOUT ZELDA!

I'll make similar lists for other series too. Trust me.
 
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Let me clarify.

FOR NOW I'M ONLY TALKING ABOUT ZELDA!

I'll make similar lists for other series too. Trust me.

BOO.

You're no fun.

Who cares about Zelda? Certainly not me.

I'm a filthy Tingle/Impa/Skull Kid/Tetra/Champion/Anyone From Zelda supporter.
 

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I'd definitely like to see some tracks from Hyrule Warriors if those are possible.

Or, at the very least, some more high-intensity electric guitar remixes.
 

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FOR NOW I'M ONLY TALKING ABOUT ZELDA!
Don't make me beat you at your own game. I have like two Domino's pizza boxes and an infinite supply of caffeine to fuel me.
I'll start with one thing:
BOI.gif

Balancing out which songs go to which stages is like diffusing a bomb, that takes a while to determine which stage "deserves" more than another. I'll make a list eventually, though.
 

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Okay, here's a topic I don't see many people bringing up.

Music.

I'll use Zelda as an example.

Let's take a look at the confirmed Zelda stages for Ultimate.

Hyrule Caslte (N64)
Great Bay (Melee)
Temple (Melee)
Bridge of Eldin (Brawl)
Gerudo Valley (3DS)
Spirit Train (3DS)
Skyloft (Wii U)
Great Plateau Tower (Ultimate)

That's 8 stages. Only missing stage is Pirate Ship which could easily make it in the game.

That said... that... is a lot of stages.

But my question is... how is the music gonna work? Where are the tracks going?

I'll go ahead and list every track from Zelda we've had in the Smash. Note: I'm not including jingles like the victory themes. Remixed tracks will be underlined.

I'll also list the Smash game the track debuted in and the original source for the track.

N64 Tracks:
Hyrule Castle (The Legend of Zelda)

Melee Tracks:
Main Theme (The Legend of Zelda)
Temple (Zelda II: The Adventure of Link)
Saria's Song (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)


Brawl Tracks:
Main Theme Ver. 2 (The Legend of Zelda)
Title (The Legend of Zelda)
Great Temple / Temple (Zelda II: Adventure of Link)
The Dark World (The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past)
Hidden Mountains & Forest (The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past)
Tal Tal Heights: (The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening)
Ocarina of Time Medley (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Hyrule Field Theme (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Song of Storms (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Gerudo Valley (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)

Termina Field: (The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask)
Dragon Roost Island (The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
The Great Sea (The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker)
Molgera Battle (The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker)
Village of the Blue Maiden (The Legend of Zelda: Four Sword Adventures
Main Theme (The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess)
The Hidden Village (The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess)
Midna's Lament (The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess)


Smash 4 Tracks:
Overworld Theme (The Legend of Zelda)
The Legend of Zelda Medley (The Legend of Zelda)
Main Theme / Underworld Theme (The Legend of Zelda)

Overworld Theme (The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past)
Dark World / Dark World Dungeon (The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past)
Hyrule Field Theme (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Saria's Song / Middle Boss Battle (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
Gerudo Valley (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time)
The Great Sea / Menu Select (The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker)
Full Steam Ahead! (The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks)

Ballad of the Goddess (The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword)
Ballad of the Goddess / Ghirahim's Theme (The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword)
Lorule Main Theme (The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds)
Yuga Battle (Hyrule Castle) (The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds)
Hyrule Main Theme (The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds)

Ultimate Tracks:
Termina Field (The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask)
Title Theme (The Legend of Zelda: Tri Force Heroes)
Main Theme (The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild)




As you can see, we have a lot of tracks.

Even then. I don't think its enough. Unless each stage has less tracks, I don't think we have enough tracks to fit on each stage.

So, I ask you two questions.

1. Which Zelda tracks do you think will go on each stage?
2. Which new Zelda tracks do you see being added?
I know it doesn't entirely answer either question, but I could see each of the Zelda stages sharing songs l like in Smash 4.
Given that there are so many stages, it would be hard to imagine each and every one of them get new pieces of music, so a shared music list would do.
With that being said, though, we NEED Lorule Castle music! Given that Zelda has her outfit inspired by that game, it would be a missed opportunity if it did not happen. I mean, we already have Yuga battle music and Hyrule Field music from ALBW, so it really should happen.
 

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I totally want to see a pure midi of the Zelda TV Theme(no dialogue), cause it's justttttt right for an exciting theme.

Anyway, I'd love to see full versions of all the various Ocarina songs in OOT. We've already got Zelda II's infamous Temple and Great Temple themes. Hmm...
 
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