Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[staindgrey]

I never liked tier lists, they don't really mean anything. Every single one essentially boils down to "these are the characters that I'm good with, therefore they're obviously the best."

Nnnnnnnnnnooooooo...?

Tier lists are based on tournament results and the general feelings of the community from experience playing as and against each character. It's not "me personally", unless you're referring to the random threads made by people with twenty total posts saying "this is my tier list".

Tier lists are not scripture. They change based on results and an evolving meta, and shouldn't be taken as a fact. Just because Peach is a higher tier than Ike doesn't mean an Ike player can't beat a Peach player. Individual matches come down to an abundance of factors; the tier placement is simply meant to give a reasonable estimate of which character is more likely to win in more matches.

Think of it like playoff seeding. A #1 seed has multiple advantages (home field advantage, usually a bye to rest, better record in the season, etc.) but that doesn't at all guarantee that they won't lose to a #6 seed. It's happened many times in the history of every sport. But you know what happens more often? The #1 seed wins. They're the #1 seed for a reason.

 

[Wademan94]

If we're talking non-video game characters for Smash the only acceptable answer is GoldenEye Brosnan-era Bond

What about...

Woo-Oo

 

[Gyrom8]

That'd make R.O.B. the weakest character since he's not imaginary and therefore can't do anything besides pick up some sticks.

Yeah but in Smash he can do more than pick up stuff: firing lasers isn't the most impressive power, but it probably puts him above characters like Villager power-wise
Outside Smash, in real life, he doesn't have any powers as, as you said, all he does is pick up stuff. But the other cast can't do anything at all because they're not real.

Checkmate Kirby, Sonic and other god-slayers

 

[Curious Villager]

*stares at all the people who keep saying Professor Layton will never happen*

Oh he will happen, even if we have to come back for the next Smash!

And the next Smash, and the next Smash, and the next Smash, and the next Smash, and the next Smash, and the next Smash.......

A mii fighter costume is fine too.... ; _ ;

 

[Deleted member]

Oh he will happen, even if we have to come back for the next Smash!

And the next Smash, and the next Smash, and the next Smash, and the next Smash, and the next Smash, and the next Smash.......

A mii fighter costume is fine too.... ; _ ;

Least he has better chances than a certain demon summoner I know.

 

[staindgrey]

Huh.

Not sure if this is old news, but apparently a Czech retailer accidentally outed the release date of Metroid Prime 4 for Nov. 29th. That is a Friday, and placeholder dates are usually Dec. 31st when they know it's coming in winter but not much past that.

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

Yeah there was going to be that fanmade "mother 4", but last I checked it imploded on itself. There probably other games that capture part of the feel of those games, I just haven't really looked.

Man I never thought about it before, but Stranger Things has that same mystique as Earthbound in some ways. Something about a small group of suburban kids fighting against a dark and alien force. For some reason I really enjoy that dynamic, its a shame that the ST game didn't capitalize on this.

If you like that dynamic, I'd definitely check out the game Crossing Souls if you haven't already. It's pretty much exactly what you described and it's fun too.

(Also sorry for the late response. I've been catching up on this thread)

 

[Deleted member]

I love the Mother discussion

 

[Idon]

Least he has better chances than a certain demon summoner I know.

SMH, Persona has had 4 (probably gonna be 5 soon) fighting games and SMT has gotten 0.

 

[Deleted member]

I changed my avatar cuz I have exams coming up lol
Is the Mother discussion still going?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

So I heard at the Gourmet Dungeon that there's a fighter there. How much food do you need to get that fighter?

 

[Deleted member]

The canonically strongest character in Smash is Isabelle and here's my evidence:
-No character outside of her universe even attempt to appear in her trailer, this is the first hint that others are too afraid of her power
-Holds a pocket dimension in her hands she can access at any time. "Oh but Villager has it too!". Fool, who do you think granted them such power?
-Said pocket dimension can hold anything she eants, even people as we see she summons Tom Nook and his two helpers to build a Town Hall. She could effectivelly enslave anyone in the cast.
-Speaking of her pocket dimension, it actually powers up any objects that enter it by almost double their original power.
-She wields a Fishing Rod, a symbol of strength as seen in Hunter x Hunter
-Has enough force to launch someone as heavy as Bowser to the shadow realm with a simple slingshot
-Shown to be able to manipulate luck itself as her turnips are always consistent unlike Villager.
-Actually uses tax money appropiatelly
-We all know how well she can break the limits of the World and bend it to her will, allowing her to summon infinite copies of the same Assist as if it was simple child's play
-Has never been shown to get hurt in canon. Her expressions in Smash are just her playing along to make the fighters believe they have at least a spark of a chance
-Defeated Goku, Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet and Kirito during the events of Infinity⅔ Wars all at once in issue #301

 

[TMNTSSB4]

so...is there anything useful to be discussing here?

The canonically strongest character in Smash is Isabelle and here's my evidence:
-No character outside of her universe even attempt to appear in her trailer, this is the first hint that others are too afraid of her power
-Holds a pocket dimension in her hands she can access at any time. "Oh but Villager has it too!". Fool, who do you think granted them such power?
-Said pocket dimension can hold anything she eants, even people as we see she summons Tom Nook and his two helpers to build a Town Hall. She could effectivelly enslave anyone in the cast.
-Speaking of her pocket dimension, it actually powers up any objects that enter it by almost double their original power.
-She wields a Fishing Rod, a symbol of strength as seen in Hunter x Hunter
-Has enough force to launch someone as heavy as Bowser to the shadow realm with a simple slingshot
-Shown to be able to manipulate luck itself as her turnips are always consistent unlike Villager.
-Actually uses tax money appropiatelly
-We all know how well she can break the limits of the World and bend it to her will, allowing her to summon infinite copies of the same Assist as if it was simple child's play
-Has never been shown to get hurt in canon. Her expressions in Smash are just her playing along to make the fighters believe they have at least a spark of a chance
-Defeated Goku, Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet and Kirito during the events of Infinity⅔ Wars all at once in issue #301

oh something that’s actually and truly important to Smash Bros, and all of this is entirely true

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

SMH, Persona has had 4 (probably gonna be 5 soon) fighting games and SMT has gotten 0.

Atlus has insane favoritism it seems.

 

[osby]

Atlus has insane favoritism it seems.

ATLUS has insane business sense

 

[Deleted member]

SMH, Persona has had 4 (probably gonna be 5 soon) fighting games and SMT has gotten 0.

Which is why we need Persona vs Shin Megami Tensei pronto!

Atlus has insane favoritism it seems.

ATLUS has insane business sense

Atlus fans have insane inferiority and superiority complexes. /S

 

[Pakky]

The canonically strongest character in Smash is Isabelle and here's my evidence:
-No character outside of her universe even attempt to appear in her trailer, this is the first hint that others are too afraid of her power
-Holds a pocket dimension in her hands she can access at any time. "Oh but Villager has it too!". Fool, who do you think granted them such power?
-Said pocket dimension can hold anything she eants, even people as we see she summons Tom Nook and his two helpers to build a Town Hall. She could effectivelly enslave anyone in the cast.
-Speaking of her pocket dimension, it actually powers up any objects that enter it by almost double their original power.
-She wields a Fishing Rod, a symbol of strength as seen in Hunter x Hunter
-Has enough force to launch someone as heavy as Bowser to the shadow realm with a simple slingshot
-Shown to be able to manipulate luck itself as her turnips are always consistent unlike Villager.
-Actually uses tax money appropiatelly
-We all know how well she can break the limits of the World and bend it to her will, allowing her to summon infinite copies of the same Assist as if it was simple child's play
-Has never been shown to get hurt in canon. Her expressions in Smash are just her playing along to make the fighters believe they have at least a spark of a chance
-Defeated Goku, Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet and Kirito during the events of Infinity⅔ Wars all at once in issue #301

She also giggles when you poke her tum-tum :3

like

Minus the creepy ones

Edited for clarification because ew.

 

[Deleted member]

I found this

 

[osby]

Atlus fans have insane inferiority and superiority complexes. /S

You can't generalize the fanbase of a whole company.

Unless you say ATLUS fans are masochistic, then it's true.

 

[Robertman2]

She also giggles when you poke her tum-tum :3

Delete this now

 

[Deleted member]

Delete this now

I can speak for him when I say that he refuses

 

[PsySmasher]

The canonically strongest character in Smash is Isabelle and here's my evidence:
-No character outside of her universe even attempt to appear in her trailer, this is the first hint that others are too afraid of her power
-Holds a pocket dimension in her hands she can access at any time. "Oh but Villager has it too!". Fool, who do you think granted them such power?
-Said pocket dimension can hold anything she eants, even people as we see she summons Tom Nook and his two helpers to build a Town Hall. She could effectivelly enslave anyone in the cast.
-Speaking of her pocket dimension, it actually powers up any objects that enter it by almost double their original power.
-She wields a Fishing Rod, a symbol of strength as seen in Hunter x Hunter
-Has enough force to launch someone as heavy as Bowser to the shadow realm with a simple slingshot
-Shown to be able to manipulate luck itself as her turnips are always consistent unlike Villager.
-Actually uses tax money appropiatelly
-We all know how well she can break the limits of the World and bend it to her will, allowing her to summon infinite copies of the same Assist as if it was simple child's play
-Has never been shown to get hurt in canon. Her expressions in Smash are just her playing along to make the fighters believe they have at least a spark of a chance
-Defeated Goku, Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet and Kirito during the events of Infinity⅔ Wars all at once in issue #301

This is actually one of the most accurate breakdowns I’ve seen on Smashboards.

I don’t know how to feel about that.

 

[Opossum]

Komoriki's tier list. No order within a tier:

Spoiler

View attachment 186316

Marth, the nerfs have finally got to him. Look at how they massacred my boy.

The answer is to buff Marth. Please, Sakurai, he needs help.

 

[Pakky]

Delete this now

I can speak for him when I say that he refuses

I refuse because my intentions are pure.

To me she is not a waifu but a cute wittle baby to coo at.

Also I have apples :D err um a food offering to the queen overlord?

 

[TMNTSSB4]

The answer is to buff Marth. Please, Sakurai, he needs help.

No he doesn’t. Marth has spent 3-4 (if you wanna count the 3DS version of Smash 4) games as the best FE character and one of the best characters overall, having others surpass him for once isn’t gonna do any harm to his reputation like it did to Bayo or Diddy

 

[Masked Marshmallow]

The answer is to buff Marth. Please, Sakurai, he needs help.

No. The solution is to nerf Greninja. Can't you see he's still in God Tier ever since Smash 4?

 

[Deleted member]

She also giggles when you poke her tum-tum :3

isabelle and ultimate zelda are the most adorable smash fighters change my mind

yeah thats right **** kirby

 

[Pakky]

The answer is to buff Marth. Please, Sakurai, he needs help.

Nah buff

So swords bounce off of him.

 

[MBRedboy31]

The canonically strongest character in Smash is Isabelle and here's my evidence:
-No character outside of her universe even attempt to appear in her trailer, this is the first hint that others are too afraid of her power
-Holds a pocket dimension in her hands she can access at any time. "Oh but Villager has it too!". Fool, who do you think granted them such power?
-Said pocket dimension can hold anything she eants, even people as we see she summons Tom Nook and his two helpers to build a Town Hall. She could effectivelly enslave anyone in the cast.
-Speaking of her pocket dimension, it actually powers up any objects that enter it by almost double their original power.
-She wields a Fishing Rod, a symbol of strength as seen in Hunter x Hunter
-Has enough force to launch someone as heavy as Bowser to the shadow realm with a simple slingshot
-Shown to be able to manipulate luck itself as her turnips are always consistent unlike Villager.
-Actually uses tax money appropiatelly
-We all know how well she can break the limits of the World and bend it to her will, allowing her to summon infinite copies of the same Assist as if it was simple child's play
-Has never been shown to get hurt in canon. Her expressions in Smash are just her playing along to make the fighters believe they have at least a spark of a chance
-Defeated Goku, Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet and Kirito during the events of Infinity⅔ Wars all at once in issue #301

But, what happened to her ability to summon infinite quantities of healing fruit that she had in Smash 4?
Is she only able to heal others, not herself? If anything ever happens that would injure her, is there nothing that can be done?

 

[Opossum]

No he doesn’t. Marth has spent 3-4 (if you wanna count the 3DS version of Smash 4) games as the best FE character and one of the best characters overall, having others surpass him for once isn’t gonna do any harm to his reputation like it did to Bayo or Diddy

A character having their usability drop like a rock in the name of fairness is incredibly stupid. It's not like Marth was ever brokenly good.

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

buff bayonetta, meta knight, fox and pikachu what could go wrong

 

[Pakky]

isabelle and ultimate zelda are the most adorable smash fighters change my mind

yeah thats right **** kirby

You're right but at the same time how dare you!

Precious child savior of all.

 

[Masked Marshmallow]

isabelle and ultimate zelda are the most adorable smash fighters change my mind

yeah thats right **** kirby

Pichu

 

[staindgrey]

Komoriki's tier list. No order within a tier:

Spoiler

View attachment 186316

Marth, the nerfs have finally got to him. Look at how they massacred my boy.

This is legitimately the first time I've ever seen Lucina a) beneath Corrin, and b) not high tier in general.

I want to know the reasoning.

 

[Deleted member]

Since everyone is talking about their most wanted characters, as long as any of these gets in, I'll be very happy:

3rd Party:
- Slime (Dragon Quest)
- Quote (Cave Story)
- Hunter (Monster Hunter)
- Sora (Kingdom Hearts)
- Defender (Etrian Odyssey)
- Zero (Megaman X/Zero) (let me dream ;-; )

1st Party:
- Magolor (Kirby)
- Vaati or Ravio (The Legend of Zelda)
- Decidueye (Pokémon)

I've said it before, but this is my most wanted:

3rd Party:
Monkey D Luffy
Saitama
Yuga
Playmaker

1st Party
Monk Maz Koshia
Galeem/Dharkeon/Master+Crazy Hand

 

[Masked Marshmallow]

This is legitimately the first time I've ever seen Lucina a) beneath Corrin, and b) not high tier in general.

I want to know the reasoning.

They put Marth in low tier and Lucina in top tier. Don't question.

 

[MainJPW]

Late at night I asked myself

"Why is Wario fat if all he eats is garlic?"


No sleep was had.

It’s because he... eats other things?

Spoiler

You lost sleep for no reason. Get some rest.

 

[Gentlepanda]

She also giggles when you poke her tum-tum :3

so here we are again

 

[ClaTheBae]

Komoriki's tier list. No order within a tier:

Spoiler

View attachment 186316

Marth, the nerfs have finally got to him. Look at how they massacred my boy.

Pikachu being THAT low? Jeez why.

Like I totally get why marth is that low. Kind of short range compared to the rest of the cast, and his tipper is super unreliable, but Pika?? Why?

 

[Pakky]

so here we are again

Nah

Is more like this

Minus the creepy ones