Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[SonicMario]

How many newcomers were people expecting during the pre-SSB4 period?

I kinda lowballed expectations by a lot back in Smash 4. I was guessing at most 45 characters (Not counting transformations. So Pokemon Trainer, Zelda/Shiek, and Samus/ZSS counting as just one spot). Did not expect a little over 50 on the base roster, let alone DLC nearly bringing it up to 60

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

I kinda lowballed expectations by a lot back in Smash 4. I was guessing at most 45 characters (Not counting transformations. So Pokemon Trainer, Zelda/Shiek, and Samus/ZSS counting as just one spot). Did not expect a little over 50 on the base roster, let alone DLC nearly bringing it up to 60

Yeah I remember predicting around 50, wasn't expecting the 6 cuts tho, I assumed snake would be but not the rest lol.

 

[Icedragonadam]

I was expecting 51 and only Snake, Ivysaur, and Squirtle cut. I was really sad seeing Lucas cut but I'm glad he was the chosen Brawl cut to return to the game.

 

[eltacoenojado]

I think if Nintendo plans to go through with their plan to support the switch for 7-10 years, this could be our only smash for a while
Ideally this game keeps getting supported well after launch, at minimum until 2020
New fighters, new stages, costumes, and new updates to keep the game fresh
They could even add DLC in conjunction with new game releases
E.g, release Sylux with Metroid prime 4, release new fire emblem protagonist with next fire emblem

I would be cool with this. Keeps the game fresh, and exciting. Also, it can help with not losing any characters to cuts.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Do you expect Link and Zelda will get a total move overhaul? Or just a bit of a revamp? I can see their specials changing to but I can't see a lot of their normals changing outside of just buffing them/adding properties to them (I'm hoping I'm wrong, I'd rather have more revamped characters that have gone pretty stale in my opinion).

If I remember correctly, I said roughly 15-18 newcomers, and I believe a lot of people had the same opinion. Of course, there are always outliers (some people had a 40 character roster, others had 70s-80s), but most people probably had anywhere to a 48-55 character roster.

Zelda needs to be changed from her specials to her normals. Her moveset isn’t good really. It doesn’t function well, and neither does her speed or agility in-game.

Link might get a few changes, but Zelda needs an overhaul.

 

[MrReyes96]

If Link or Zelda don’t get significantly changed i’ll Be disappointed
I was already disappointed they didn’t give Link skyward sword elements to his moveset in smash 4, not even changing his appearence
It’s long overdue

 

[TumblrFamous]

Zelda needs to be changed from her specials to her normals. Her moveset isn’t good really. It doesn’t function well, and neither does her speed or agility in-game.

Link might get a few changes, but Zelda needs an overhaul.

I agree with you completely. I'm praying Zelda gets the much needed overhaul. She's been so laughably pitiful for three games in a row now.

Good to see you again, by the way.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

If Link or Zelda don’t get significantly changed i’ll Be disappointed
I was already disappointed they didn’t give Link skyward sword elements to his moveset in smash 4, not even changing his appearence
It’s long overdue

I guess they didn't wanna have to redesign ganondorf and sheik, especially since BOTW was coming anyway, but then the delays happened lol

Zelda needs to be changed from her specials to her normals. Her moveset isn’t good really. It doesn’t function well, and neither does her speed or agility in-game.

Link might get a few changes, but Zelda needs an overhaul.

She can keep a couple moves if they want but they still need to be altered, and the rest can GO.

 

[Wyoming]

Ok Link and Zelda get overhauled, but Ganondorf stays the same. How would people react to that?

 

[FlareHabanero]

It's pretty obvious from Zelda's moveset that it was intentionally designed to be very polarizing to contrast from Shiek. She hits very hard, but is much slower. The idea was to transform back and forth to take advantage of their respective strengths. But because that's no longer a thing (which to be frank never worked to begin with), Zelda should be redesigned to act more like an independent character. It is entirely possible to do that without drastically changing her though, as again she can hurt surprisingly hard, but lacks the options to take advantage of those moves. If for example she had a way to set up traps like her incarnation in Project M can do via Din's Fire, that alone would greatly improve her because now she has options to manipulate her opponent.

 

[PeridotGX]

My take on the situation is to overhaul Zelda and implement Toon Zelda to preserve the original moveset (But buffed, Toon Zelda is smaller and faster).

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Going off expected newcomers, who are people's most expected (including past cut veterans)? Let's say 5 most expected (no bias, just who you think will be in the game). Mine:

Bandana Dee
Ice Climbers
Ray Man
Isabelle
A Gen 7 Pokemon (idk who)

 

[PeridotGX]

Going off expected newcomers, who are people's most expected? Let's say 5 most expected (no bias, just who you think will be in the game). Mine:

Bandana Dee
Ice Climbers
Ray Man
Isabelle
A Gen 7 Pokemon (idk who)

ICs, Isabelle, Gen 7 Pokémon, Bandana Dee, Dixie Kong (Yarn Yoshi if counting clones)

 

[Bowserlick]

Here it goes.

Zelda has to be scarier than Rosalina without her star.

Otherwise both their characters are wrong.

 

[TumblrFamous]

It's pretty obvious from Zelda's moveset that it was intentionally designed to be very polarizing to contrast from Shiek. She hits very hard, but is much slower. The idea was to transform back and forth to take advantage of their respective strengths. But because that's no longer a thing (which to be frank never worked to begin with), Zelda should be redesigned to act more like an independent character. It is entirely possible to do that without drastically changing her though, as again she can hurt surprisingly hard, but lacks the options to take advantage of those moves. If for example she had a way to set up traps like her incarnation in Project M can do via Din's Fire, that alone would greatly improve her because now she has options to manipulate her opponent.

Yeah Sheik ruined Zelda's character to be honest. Sheik ended up being so much better than Zelda is practically every Smash iteration. Faster characters that can rack up damage and combos are better suited for this game, and the development team has never been able to make a magic character not suck honestly. The original idea to make them polar opposites is what made Sheik so good, and made Zelda, well, not so good.

RelaxAlax made a pretty good video about Sheik and Zelda, and how Zelda has been bad in the games because of the design of this duo. I'm pretty sure it's actually called "Sheik Ruined Zelda" lol

 

[Deleted member]

Going off expected newcomers, who are people's most expected? Let's say 5 most expected (no bias, just who you think will be in the game). Mine:

Bandana Dee
Ice Climbers
Ray Man
Isabelle
A Gen 7 Pokemon (idk who)

Ice Climbers
Bandana Dee
Dixie Kong
Decidueye
Captain Toad

If ICs don't count throw in Isabelle. Maybe I'm forgetting someone but I think we get all 6 of them (or 7 if you count Nana) for sure.

 

[TheTrueHer0]

I wouldn't get too excited over this. For all we know, this game can be like brawl

 

[Deathcarter]

Going off expected newcomers, who are people's most expected? Let's say 5 most expected (no bias, just who you think will be in the game). Mine:

Bandana Dee
Ice Climbers
Ray Man
Isabelle
A Gen 7 Pokemon (idk who)

Cheating! Ice Climbers aren't newcomers!

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I wouldn't get too excited over this. For all we know, this game can be like brawl

So an actually good game that just had balancing issues here and there?

Like, it's my least favorite in the series overall, but I still loved it overall. It had an amazing character list, and while it needed improvements, sure, it still had a lot to do while having a very robust Adventure Mode(it was really only All-Star and Classic that suffered among the main single player modes).

 

[MrReyes96]

My ideal scenario for the triforce trio is overhaul their movesets, and have these two carry on the classic Link and Zelda movesets

Spoiler

As “classic Link” and “classic Zelda”

And while Ganondorf gets some changes to his moveset with magic and dual blades, this guy

Spoiler

Would use a trident and magic based moves

The legend of Zelda pre-ocarina of time has never been represented in smash and I want that to change

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Cheating! Ice Climbers aren't newcomers!

You're right poor wording! I'm chagnging that now, I was just reffering to added characters.

 

[MrReyes96]

Going off expected newcomers, who are people's most expected (including past cut veterans)? Let's say 5 most expected (no bias, just who you think will be in the game). Mine:

Bandana Dee
Ice Climbers
Ray Man
Isabelle
A Gen 7 Pokemon (idk who)

Captain Toad
Isabelle
Spring man (maybe dlc)
Dixie Kong
Elma or Rex

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Let's say 5 most expected (no bias, just who you think will be in the game).

• Captain Toad/Toadette
• Mimikyu
• Celica
• Rex & Pyra
• Rhythm Girl
• Excitebike

I know it's six, but it's hard not to mention any of these characters.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Call me a total crack, but I'm expecting Nikki to appear as a playable character. A character purposely included to surprise people similar with Wii Fit Trainer. With a moveset that involves doodling objects out of thin air, as a nod to Swapnote and Swapdoodle.

Anyone else expect something similar?

 

[Icedragonadam]

My 5 most expected characters:

Rex & Pyra
Takamaru
Gen 7 Pokemon
Ice Climbers
Rhythm Heaven Character

 

[MrReyes96]

Call me a total crack, but I'm expecting Nikki to appear as a playable character. A character purposely included to surprise people similar with Wii Fit Trainer. With a moveset that involves doodling objects out of thin air, as a nod to Swapnote and Swapdoodle.

Anyone else expect something similar?

I don’t expect her but in a similar vein I can see the arcade badge bunny being playable, at least an assist trophy

 

[RandomAce]

I might be late to this.

How many newcomers we sweaty boys and girls thinking we will be getting?

I honestly only see 10 newcomers to be getting in, excluding veterans. Mainly for two reasons:

1. The roster is getting very large, which will be difficult to balance or even implement on its own.

2. There aren’t really any Nintendo characters left to add.

I know that people are going to say that we have already started reaching into the bottom of the barrel by Smash 4, but I believe that we NOW started reaching really deep into bottom of the barrel. The only newcomers that most will interest the casual audience or make the most sense are:

Inklings (Confirmed)
A New Xenoblade Character
ARMS Character
Gen 7 Pokemon
Any Popular Ballot Character

But thats really it. Most other characters that I have seen mentioned here are either obsure that the most people dont even know, or characters people wont care, want, or would even backlash against Nintendo for including them. IMO unlike Smash 4 which had a lot of characters I was hyped for the newcomers that were added in like Megaman, Pacman, Palutena, Greninja, and even WFT and Duck Hunt. This might be the Smash game with the most underwhelming newcomers aside from the five I mentioned above.

EDIT: This is just my opinion, so I just wanted to share my thoughts. Let me know your thoughts if you disagree.

 

[Troykv]

Here it goes.

Zelda has to be scarier than Rosalina without her star.

Otherwise both their characters are wrong.

Wow! Zelda is so bad that even a handicapped character is better?

Would you think the same about SoPo against Zelda?

 

[TumblrFamous]

I wouldn't get too excited over this. For all we know, this game can be like brawl

Aw, have some fun! Speculation makes the world go round.

I think they realized the proper "physics" of the game after Brawl's floaty and slow gameplay. And tripping. And character imbalance. And being that this game will probably have a lot of DLC (which also includes character balancing and game tweaking) only means good things.

I think there is more of a focus on character balance more than ever after Smash 4 and what they can do with DLC and update patches.

 

[TheTrueHer0]

I really enjoyed brawl but what happened to it was there were 2 INSANELY overpowered characters. I've always felt if brawl didn't have tripping and the top 2 characters it would have been great. Imagine after all this hype, there is one insanely overpowered character who completely ruins the competitive scene

 

[Retroend]

everyone talking about the champions yet no one wants another wind waker character...

 

[MrReyes96]

everyone talking about the champions yet no one wants another wind waker character...

I’d much rather have a unique wind waker character than toon link

I’m partial to the Medli/Makar duo as a character

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I’d much rather have a unique wind waker character than toon link

I’m partial to the Medli/Makar duo as a character

I'd love Toon Ganondorf. Though regular Moblin Ganon would still be awesome.

 

[TheTrueHer0]

no definitely not an exaggeration

 

[MrReyes96]

I'd love Toon Ganondorf. Though regular Moblin Ganon would still be awesome.

Yeah either one would be cool but i’d give the edge to pig Ganon for his multitude of appearences, and just give current Ganondorf a moveset similar to toon Ganondorf. Dual blades are amazing

 

[TumblrFamous]

everyone talking about the champions yet no one wants another wind waker character...

I'm still a hard Tetra fan. Or we could get Toon Zelda possessing the Phantom. That would be fun.

 

[TheTrueHer0]

having toon ganon would be cool

 

[PeridotGX]

Call me a total crack, but I'm expecting Nikki to appear as a playable character. A character purposely included to surprise people similar with Wii Fit Trainer. With a moveset that involves doodling objects out of thin air, as a nod to Swapnote and Swapdoodle.

Anyone else expect something similar?

I expect Arcade Rabbit from the Badge Arcade for this reason. I see lots of moveset potential, as well as being off the wall and representing the 3DS era

Related, here's a support thread I made for him: https://smashboards.com/threads/ope...-rabbit-for-super-smash-bros-5-thread.454281/

 

[TheTrueHer0]

that would also be cool.

 

[Mr. Mumbles]

everyone talking about the champions yet no one wants another wind waker character...

I have no idea what you mean. I'd be glad for MOST *glares at tingle* any Zelda newcomer. I don't anticipate it since TP was wildly successful (for Zelda) and didn't get one. But I suppose they didn't know that when the Brawl roster was decided much like how they wouldn't have know that about Breath when this roster was decided, so maybe dlc can change that.