Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[SnakeFighter64]

I see a lack of constructive criticism

So you admit the reason you don't want Steve in is purely personal and without reason simply because you hate a game SO much and any attempts to argue him out were you pretending to be reasonable so now you decided to take the sheep's clothing and just ne a ***** about it? Asking for a friend.

I TRIED to be reasonable. But every. Single. Point I brought brought up was countered. Very poorly I might add. Everything I said about why I don’t like Steve that’s “reasonable” was essentially responded to with “that’s not a problem, shut up”. There isn’t going to be some magic argument that ends the conversation and let’s one person win, I see that now. So I decided to put ALL my cards on the table instead of holding back certain points for no real reason other than trying to be “nice”.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I TRIED to be reasonable. But every. Single. Point I brought brought up was countered. Very poorly I might add. Everything I said about why I don’t like Steve that’s “reasonable” was essentially responded to with “that’s not a problem, shut up”. There isn’t going to be some magic argument that ends the conversation and let’s one person win, I see that now. So I decided to put ALL my cards on the table instead of holding back certain points for no real reason other than trying to be “nice”.

You could've just outright said that you just wanted Banjo Kazooie, instead of making a lot of pointless arguments.
I mean, your signature says it, bright as day...

 

[YoshiandToad]

Personally I don't want Steve, only because the sheer overlap he has with my own concept for Captain Toad:

Pickaxe? Check.
Platform wall creation? Check.
Potential use of enemies? Check.

Nothing against Steve himself, I think he'd be a blast. I just like his concept on someone more 'Nintendo'...

 

[SnakeFighter64]

You could've just outright said that you just wanted Banjo Kazooie, instead of making a lot of pointless arguments.
I mean, your signature says it, bright as day...

Yes. I want Banjo and Kazooie. And in the past I was of the opinion that we could have both. But then so many other leaks were dropped and speculation shifter.

 

[osby]

I TRIED to be reasonable. But every. Single. Point I brought brought up was countered. Very poorly I might add. Everything I said about why I don’t like Steve that’s “reasonable” was essentially responded to with “that’s not a problem, shut up”. There isn’t going to be some magic argument that ends the conversation and let’s one person win, I see that now. So I decided to put ALL my cards on the table instead of holding back certain points for no real reason other than trying to be “nice”.

"I don't like Minecraft and I don't want Steve in Smash" and a reasonable argument against Steve being playable in Smash are two different things.

We were just discussing the latter, I doubt people are too interested in the former.

 

[Deleted member]

Personally I don't want Steve, only because the sheer overlap he has with my own concept for Captain Toad:

Pickaxe? Check.
Platform wall creation? Check.
Potential use of enemies? Check.

Nothing against Steve himself, I think he'd be a blast. I just like his concept on someone more 'Nintendo'...

That’s...

Actually an acceptable point.

 

[Impa4Smash]

I don’t have anything against Steve.

But i fear a dissapointment towards the stage he would come with.

I want it to work like Mario Maker at least.

I would love to see what Sakurai could do with all the Minecraft tools at his disposal.

I mean I was personally stating why I don't want him.

I know. Sorry my statement wasn’t directed at you, just Steve talk in general and the hate that always comes with it. That’s always everyone’s biggest argument and they act like it’s objective that Steve would be bad because of personal taste.

 

[osby]

Personally I don't want Steve, only because the sheer overlap he has with my own concept for Captain Toad:

Pickaxe? Check.
Platform wall creation? Check.
Potential use of enemies? Check.

Nothing against Steve himself, I think he'd be a blast. I just like his concept on someone more 'Nintendo'...

That's, um, weird? They really have nothing to do with each other except superficially similar, speculated movesets that's likely way off.

 

[Meritocracy]

anybody else thinks its a waste to only have 5 DLC fighters? In my head, the best future for this game is for it to be the last game in the series, but to never end. For it to be continually ported and updated until Sakurai retires and the world goes dark for three days. This way, we can keep our massive roster, and make it unique and balanced. There need be no smash 6. With the 5 fighter limit, the brightest timeline I can see going forward is doing all that for smash bros infinite for the Nintendo Switch U. We don't need to work Sakurai and his team to death to remaking the franchise every several years, but can have one game, that keeps growing. And eventually, it would essentially become a sequel, but the effort put into it would be spread out over a large period of time.
or maybe I'm just crazy. that's always a possibility

 

[Dee Dude]

I mean, y’all say that our arguments against Steve are nothing but “I don’t like/want him”, yet whenever someone gives an actual argument on why he wouldn’t be a good pick, you shoot it down anyway.

Not really sure what you want.

 

[Deleted member]

anybody else thinks its a waste to only have 5 DLC fighters? In my head, the best future for this game is for it to be the last game in the series, but to never end. For it to be continually ported and updated until Sakurai retires and the world goes dark for three days. This way, we can keep our massive roster, and make it unique and balanced. There need be no smash 6. With the 5 fighter limit, the brightest timeline I can see going forward is doing all that for smash bros infinite for the Nintendo Switch U. We don't need to work Sakurai and his team to death to remaking the franchise every several years, but can have one game, that keeps growing. And eventually, it would essentially become a sequel, but the effort put into it would be spread out over a large period of time.
or maybe I'm just crazy. that's always a possibility

I kind of agree, tbh.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

anybody else thinks its a waste to only have 5 DLC fighters? In my head, the best future for this game is for it to be the last game in the series, but to never end. For it to be continually ported and updated until Sakurai retires and the world goes dark for three days. This way, we can keep our massive roster, and make it unique and balanced. There need be no smash 6. With the 5 fighter limit, the brightest timeline I can see going forward is doing all that for smash bros infinite for the Nintendo Switch U. We don't need to work Sakurai and his team to death to remaking the franchise every several years, but can have one game, that keeps growing. And eventually, it would essentially become a sequel, but the effort put into it would be spread out over a large period of time.
or maybe I'm just crazy. that's always a possibility

I mean, if the 5 DLC characters we're getting are very unique, and pretty great additions, I really wouldn't mind them being the only DLC...

Joker is so far, looking to be a step in the right direction

 

[osby]

anybody else thinks its a waste to only have 5 DLC fighters? In my head, the best future for this game is for it to be the last game in the series, but to never end. For it to be continually ported and updated until Sakurai retires and the world goes dark for three days. This way, we can keep our massive roster, and make it unique and balanced. There need be no smash 6. With the 5 fighter limit, the brightest timeline I can see going forward is doing all that for smash bros infinite for the Nintendo Switch U. We don't need to work Sakurai and his team to death to remaking the franchise every several years, but can have one game, that keeps growing. And eventually, it would essentially become a sequel, but the effort put into it would be spread out over a large period of time.
or maybe I'm just crazy. that's always a possibility

Literally who wants to keep working on the same game forever, non-stop? Think of the people working on the game. DLC has to stop at one point.

And as much as I want Smash to keep everyone, it's not plausible. They have to renew contracts, balance every new fighters to dozens of others etc. It's way too much effort for something that's not really new and exciting.

 

[YoshiandToad]

That's, um, weird? They really have nothing to do with each other except superficially similar, speculated movesets that's likely way off.

I mean obviously. It's all speculative. This is speculation!

Captain Toad's game has as much in common with MGS as it does Minecraft, but my personal preference on land manipulation and pickaxe use would be the Captain.

If Steve got in I wouldn't be disappointed. I'm not actually against his inclusion.

 

[Deleted member]

I mean, if the 5 DLC characters we're getting are very unique, and pretty great additions, I really wouldn't mind them being the only DLC...

As long as i have the chance or possibility alive, i will keep supporting Crash Bandicoot in Smash.

If the Fighter Pass doesn’t include him, and Sakurai hasn’t said no to more DLC, then i will keep trying until he comes out to say “Crash Bandicoot will never get in”.

 

[Alternis]

Tbh, I can't wait to know who all the DLC characters are, just so we can end these endless arguments about Steve vs. Banjo and "Who's the Square Enix character;" I don't hate speculation, but these two arguments are always going to persist, and no ground will gained by either side, so it's pretty uninteresting.

I vainly hope both Steve and Banjo get in; that would be truly hilarious and amazing at the same time.

 

[Deleted member]

I mean
I don't see why not wanting character based purely on personal taste is a bad thing, as long as you're not presenting it as anything but. I want Bandanna Waddle Dee to **** off and die and the sudden groundswell of support for Katalina is baffling to me, but I'm not going to pretend that there's more to do with that than my own distaste for them.

 

[Deleted member]

Tbh, I can't wait to know who all the DLC characters are, just so we can end these endless arguments about Steve vs. Banjo and "Who's the Square Enix character;" I don't hate speculation, but these two arguments are always going to persist, and no ground will gained by either side, so it's pretty uninteresting.

I vainly hope both Steve and Banjo get in; that would be truly hilarious and amazing at the same time.

I hope that Crash manages to get in Smash at last.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I vainly hope both Steve and Banjo get in; that would be truly hilarious and amazing at the same time.

It's not too out of the possibility...

Imo, you really can't have one without the other

 

[Deleted member]

I TRIED to be reasonable. But every. Single. Point I brought brought up was countered. Very poorly I might add. Everything I said about why I don’t like Steve that’s “reasonable” was essentially responded to with “that’s not a problem, shut up”. There isn’t going to be some magic argument that ends the conversation and let’s one person win, I see that now. So I decided to put ALL my cards on the table instead of holding back certain points for no real reason other than trying to be “nice”.

"My poorly constructed arguments didn't convince people to drop the idea of Steve being in Smash so I'll tell them all to **** off, that'll teach them!"

I mean, y’all say that our arguments against Steve are nothing but “I don’t like/want him”, yet whenever someone gives an actual argument on why he wouldn’t be a good pick, you shoot it down anyway.

Not really sure what you want.

That's what's gonna happen with every argument. Just because you brought a point up that isn't "I don't want him" doesn't mean it's a valid one.

 

[Deleted member]

It's not too out of the possibility...

Imo, you really can't have one without the other

I need to finally make the Crash vs Mario vs Sonic battle in Smash any day.

 

[Pyra]

Minecraft is BORING.

wow a subjective thing i completely disagree with


ima phone my man up and tell him to seal the deal with steve then

We ARE playing the "say a bunch of stuff that doesn't matter because people disagree with me" game right

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

There is nothing I can get from Minecraft that I can’t do with a pencil and paper and not get a result that’s a billion times better.

You clearly haven't seen my Suuuuper Mega Potato Agriculturalofactory Skyscraper Castle!

Everything is automated, potatoes goes directly from the ground to the oven and from the oven to the potato vault! It's a marvel in term of cube technology!

I'm not sarcastic btw...

I'm sure my potato factory produce pixelized (baked) potatoes faster than you can draw them

 

[Deleted member]

I have too many questions...

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

I prefer questionable fan art/fics to aggressive behavior I've seen in other fandoms, tbh.

You make a fair point there.

As for Steve, I’ve sorta warmed up to him surprisingly. Calling him boring is very much subjective. He’s not on my list for wanteds but if he got in then so be it. Life goes on.

 

[Pyra]

if he got in then so be it. Life goes on.

no the correct course of action is to get on the internet and put his happy fans down cause you don't like the character, of course

all the cool kids do it

 

[Solbliminal]

Name a character..
- Not your ultimate wish.
- Originated from a game.
- E-rated.
- Not talked about much.
- No one expects to join Smash.
- Either popular or have a history in gaming.
- Adds real significance to Smash.

As far as I'm concerned, this list checks out.

 

[Meritocracy]

Literally who wants to keep working on the same game forever, non-stop? Think of the people working on the game. DLC has to stop at one point.

And as much as I want Smash to keep everyone, it's not plausible. They have to renew contracts, balance every new fighter to dozens of others etc. It's way too much effort for something that's not really new and exciting.

you bring up good points, however, your first question about wanting to work on the same game forever is exactly what I aimed to solve with this. if every four years we got 4 DLC fighters and any relevant updates, (long after an initial settling point where the bugs are worked out regularly) then the team would only need to work on the game one out of every three years and do much less than remake the game.
However, your points about full new entries bringing hype and licencing issues are very valid, and ones I hadn't considered.

 

[Pyra]

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As far as I'm concerned, this list checks out.

IT'S KATALINA TIME AGAIN, BOIS

10/10

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

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As far as I'm concerned, this list checks out.

Uh... If her one costume is anything to go by, she's not E rated

Still, KATALINA, BABY!

 

[Pyra]

Uh... If her one costume is anything to go by, she's not E rated

Ridley can be used to counter every argument episode 3:
he naked

 

[Deleted member]

Katalina is the “Knack 2 Baby!” of Smashboards.

 

[Deleted member]

wow a subjective thing i completely disagree with


ima phone my man up and tell him to seal the deal with steve then

We ARE playing the "say a bunch of stuff that doesn't matter because people disagree with me" game right

Didn't you know? My opinions are factually the best. My favorite games are god-tier taste, and my most wanted deserves to be in more than everyone else's.

 

[osby]

you bring up good points, however, your first question about wanting to work on the same game forever is exactly what I aimed to solve with this. if every four years we got 4 DLC fighters and any relevant updates, (long after an initial settling point where the bugs are worked out regularly) then the team would only need to work on the game one out of every three years and do much less than remake the game.
However, your points about full new entries bringing hype and licencing issues are very valid, and ones I hadn't considered.

Assembling a team is expensive and you can't support them by just the money you make from DLC. A lot of people stop purchasing those after a point.

 

[Pyra]

Literally who

you said it
you said the magical words

 

[Arcanir]

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77341865

Pretty much:
- Erdrick
- Monster Hunter
- 23 ****ing Monster Hunter songs

Really, the only songs that you need to represent Monster Hunter are "Proof of a Hero" and Rathalos' Theme, they're pretty much the two most universally known songs globally. I don't really think Monster Hunter is remembered for the music, rather it's gameplay itself.

Forgive me for being blunt here, but this is absolute nonsense. No matter how you feel about the series, there are multiple tracks that are very popular in the series outside of those two (hell, Rathalos' theme sometimes doesn't even pop up in certain games) and a number of them have even been remixed by fans . Even ignoring that, Monster Hunter has had concerts dedicated to just its music over in Japan and it has sold soundtracks for its games, so obviously people do care about the music if they're willing to buy the OST and/or listen to orchestrated versions of it.

The leak is likely fake for multiple reasons, but 'no one cares about the music' is certainly not one of them. You should really research your points before giving complete misinformation.

 

[Deleted member]

Imagine if Steve gets in

and he has a Banjo skin.

 

[Deleted member]

I found Kathalina’s body in my garage.

I promise that i didn’t kill her.

 

[osby]

Uh... If her one costume is anything to go by, she's not E rated

,Joker club has finally another female member!

you said it
you said the magical words

Neat, am I one of the cool kids now?

 

[Deleted member]

,Joker club has finally another female member!



Neat, am I one of the cool kids now?

The only ones who aren’t cool kids in Smashboards are NessIsChad and I.

Imagine if Steve gets in

and he has a Banjo skin.

Imagine that Steve gets in.

And he has a Master Chief skin.