Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[TheCJBrine]

Guess that means you guys would rather it become Super Pokemon Bros. then huh?

Funnily enough I once had a dream long ago that included a Smash Bros.-like game except all the fighters were Pokemon; all I remember was that it had Pikachu (maybe, could've been Pichu or Raichu, though I feel it was Pikachu), Meowth, and maybe Jigglypuff. I think it may have also had a Smash 64-like character select, the game was made with N64-ish models, and there was some stage with a light-gray roof and black floor that may have included a jet or something.

 

[Bionichute]

I am a firm believer that a third party series will never initially be represented by a side character is all.

i mean this is for literally every series in smash bros. we're never getting a non-main character as a first for a franchise

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

the hammer for Isabelle is another reason why I like Villager more

 

[Noipoi]

I still wonder how the Inklings talks to anyone.

Sometimes they get a bilingual character to translate, but mostly everyone pretends to understand them. Or just projects what they wanna hear.

Spoiler

Woomy!
I am the sexiest man alive, aren't I?
(dude, I just wanted the salt...)

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

I am a firm believer that a third party series will never initially be represented by a side character is all.

Yeah, but notice how my point included Frisk.

As in, Frisk is a contender.

 

[Bionichute]

the hammer for Isabelle is another reason why I like Villager more

the hammer is infinitely funnier

 

[Deleted member]

the hammer for Isabelle is another reason why I like Villager more

Watch that sucker create a tourney winning combo someday.

One day, you all will learn to fear the squeaky hammer, wielded by the Bringer of Ruin.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Funnily enough I once had a dream long ago that included a Smash Bros.-like game except all the fighters were Pokemon; all I remember was that it had Pikachu (maybe, could've been Pichu or Raichu), Meowth, and maybe Jigglypuff. I think it may have also had a Smash 64-like character select, the game was made with N64-ish models, and there was some stage with a light-gray roof and black floor that may have included a jet or something.

That was me back when I was a kid. I only ever played as Pokemon characters back then. It was also completely unrealistic in that I knew diddly squat about game development and wanted every single Pokemon to be playable. Part of that dream was also that it would be a DS game because I didn't own a Wii and only ever got to play Smash Bros at a weekly library event.

These days I'm satisfied with just Pokken. I really should play that game more.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

the hammer for Isabelle is another reason why I like Villager more

She also uses it in Amiibo Festival. It feels pretty good on her, as it shows off her more adorable side. Villager has a less cutesy style too, and his battle style feels more violent compared to her treating everything like a game. It works well, imo.

 

[Roberk]

I have been waiting YEARS for it. To go full circle by transferring my Torterra of ten years back to his old region will be probably the most beautiful moment in gaming for me.

Pls give Torterra better stats in the remake

stealing that image by the way

I feel terrible, I hacked my copy of Diamond too much with Action Replays and I lost my original save and by extension, my Torterra. His spirit will live on though, I'll never forget.

Let's Go fans and Gen 8 fans, you're just beta-testing for the real Pokemon games for Switch.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

the hammer is infinitely funnier

as fun as punching the crap out of someone? I personaly find it to be crap

 

[Noipoi]

Gen 8 fans, you're just beta-testing for the real Pokemon games for Switch.

Who's to say I can't be excited for both Gen 8 and Gen 4 remakes?

A brand new adventure with new creatures to encounter, and a return to one of my most treasured gaming experiences? Sounds amazing.

 

[Diem]

Castlevania is also different in that aspect. Persona is different in that aspect to an extent.
Simon and Joker were still our picks.

I'm going off of these patterns because there is literally no reason we can offer as to why this specific one would break.

Let me warn you about patterns.

I was proclaiming that we'd get Isaac, Geno, and whatever other big requests remained after Daisy, Ridley, King K. Rool, and Simon. Geno especially would've fit the pattern the best as one of the characters who has been requested for over a decade, but would finally get his chance alongside so many others.

Then we got Isabelle, Ken, and Incineroar. Anything can happen now.

The only thing we can have faith in is that DLC characters need to be big and popular enough to sell on their own, as well as be suitable for a complete package with a stage and music. Isabelle/Ken/Incineroar wouldn't sell as DLC characters, but can be sold in the bundle with the other newcomers that brought more hype. At least Joker put to death the idiotic idea that all these DLC characters would be corporate promotions meant to advertise other games primarily. So you're right in saying that there's less reason that this pattern would break.

However, it's still entirely possible we can get someone that doesn't fit that mold and everyone goes "Really?" Corrin being one of the last DLC characters is another example. You had a pattern of Ryu, Cloud, and Bayonetta, but then Corrin's in there, too.

 

[Bionichute]

as fun as punching the crap out of someone? I personaly find it to be crap

funnier, not funner. hitting your opponent with a squeaky hammer and having it go squeak is hilarious

 

[Deleted member]

If we're talking about Pokemon, gimme Mightyena. That thing carried my Alpha Sapphire Nuzlocke: It survived a blow that would have killed it, it took down major threats, it survived the Elite 4 when my starter was lost on Victory Road...

I named him Doggoo. He was a good boy.

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

She also uses it in Amiibo Festival. It feels pretty good on her, as it shows off her more adorable side. Villager has a less cutesy style too, and his battle style feels more violent compared to her treating everything like a game. It works well, imo.

I love the hammer for its comedic value and how it fits perfectly for Isabelle’s personality, I just wish it had more combat utility.

 

[Luigi The President]

Let me warn you about patterns.

I was proclaiming that we'd get Isaac, Geno, and whatever other big requests remained after Daisy, Ridley, King K. Rool, and Simon. Geno especially would've fit the pattern the best as one of the characters who has been requested for over a decade, but would finally get his chance alongside so many others.

Then we got Isabelle, Ken, and Incineroar. Anything can happen now.

The only thing we can have faith in is that DLC characters need to be big and popular enough to sell on their own, as well as be suitable for a complete package with a stage and music. Isabelle/Ken/Incineroar wouldn't sell as DLC characters, but can be sold in the bundle with the other newcomers that brought more hype. At least Joker put to death the idiotic idea that all these DLC characters would be corporate promotions meant to advertise other games primarily. So you're right in saying that there's less reason that this pattern would break.

However, it's still entirely possible we can get someone that doesn't fit that mold and everyone goes "Really?" Corrin being one of the last DLC characters is another example. You had a pattern of Ryu, Cloud, and Bayonetta, but then Corrin's in there, too.

We're considering entirely different patterns is the thing.
One was wishful fan thinking.
One is just...logical, not really debated nor wishful thinking. Just...kinda obvious.

But I totally get what you're saying.

 

[DevaAshera]

If any Undertale characters gets my blessing, it's the one that loves Yoshi the most...

Pfft, like that would ever happen

That'd be Asriel..well..Deltarune alternate universe Asriel at least..your/his mother references Smash Bros. and says he liked 'the green lizard or dinosaur (I forget which she said)' and even had a party themed around it with green spotted eggs, crying when his dad used em for breakfast.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I want some sort of Squirtle echo but if being attached to PT's gimmick isn't already an obstacle, the fact that you switch between PT mons and original/echo fighters on the CSS with Y will be.

 

[lightdrago]

Let's Go

Holy **** I just remembered.

I could get a RIDEABLE Torterra.

TPC please pull through!

 

[Zinith]

...How is this my fault? You didn't even reply to my own post...I'm replying when you go to others about Poochy.
Also I don't really...see where you imply he isn't likely, you seem decently confident in him, but I won't shove words in your mouth.

Sorry if I came off as rude-rough night. But for the record, I really do love the dog; heck I made him a moveset back in the day.
Don't stop believing.

BTW, what I was saying was that he's a secondary character starring in his own series.

Okay, I'm sorry for dragging this out. I was just trying to get my thoughts across but it's failing as I'm trying to rush things for flying out in the morning. I'll just make these last points as best I can:

I am more confident in Poochy's chances right now than I was before (where I thought he'd be an Assist Trophy). That doesn't mean I think he's likely or that it's even a 1/3 chance. He's certainly more likely than my most wanted, Boshi, at the very least where you'll never see me seriously argue he's "likely" lol...

I have no reason to disbelieve that he's one of your most wanted and I understand that you want to seem reasonable in his chances. It's just that disregarding him due to circumstances that could be interpreted different ways seems unnecessary to me.

And about that Yoshi being a secondary character who has his own series, both can be true. He can be a secondary character in one series AND a main character in another, and one shouldn't affect the other.

Okay, I'm done now. Again, sorry for dragging this out...

 

[Luigi The President]

Okay, I'm sorry for dragging this out. I was just trying to get my thoughts across but it's failing as I'm trying to rush things for flying out in the morning. I'll just make these last points as best I can:

I am more confident in Poochy's chances right now than I was before (where I thought he'd be an Assist Trophy). That doesn't mean I think he's likely or that it's even a 1/3 chance. He's certainly more likely than my most wanted, Boshi, at the very least where you'll never see me seriously argue he's "likely" lol...

I have no reason to disbelieve that he's one of your most wanted and I understand that you want to seem reasonable in his chances. It's just that disregarding him due to circumstances that could be interpreted different ways seems unnecessary to me.

And about that Yoshi being a secondary character who has his own series, both can be true. He can be a secondary character in one series AND a main character in another, and one shouldn't affect the other.

Okay, I'm done now. Again, sorry for dragging this out...

All valid points. No apologies needed, thanks Zin.

 

[Saetanigera]

On the topic of 3rd party characters, didn't Nier: Automata's developer say he would do anything for money at one point?

Yet, somehow their is no Neir: Automata Lord of the Dance. He could revive the whole fad.

 

[Zinith]

That'd be Asriel..well..Deltarune alternate universe Asriel at least..your/his mother references Smash Bros. and says he liked 'the green lizard or dinosaur (I forget which she said)' and even had a party themed around it with green spotted eggs, crying when his dad used em for breakfast.

Lol I know...

 

[Bionichute]

We're considering entirely different patterns is the thing.
One was wishful fan thinking.
One is just...logical, not really debated nor wishful thinking. Just...kinda obvious.

But I totally get what you're saying.

you saying joker was a logical choice?

 

[Deleted member]

you saying joker was a logical choice?

Yes. Persona 5 is huge, especially in Nintendo's home turf. Persona Q2 (exclusive to the 3DS) was sitting on Famitsu's most wanted list at the top for months.

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

So on an unrelated note... does anyone actually use the echo-stacking feature? 'Cause I feel like they introduced it to be safe in case people were butthurt about echoes, but I can't see anyone actually wanting to do it. Personally, I don't really see the point or value in it; I'm just curious to know if anyone's actually been using it.

Just a random thought I had.

 

[Idon]

you saying joker was a logical choice?

Absolutely.

If you're going to want characters that will sell well from a popular series then Joker's absolutely a logical character to come to.

 

[Noipoi]

Yes. Persona 5 is huge, especially in Nintendo's home turf. Persona Q2 (exclusive to the 3DS) was sitting on Famitsu's most wanted list at the top for months.

Hey, you know what else was huge?

UNDERTALE.

 

[Bionichute]

Yes. Persona 5 is huge, especially in Nintendo's home turf. Persona Q2 (exclusive to the 3DS) was sitting on Famitsu's most wanted list at the top for months.

yeah this is some ridley style revisionism here, joker was only considered by a handful of people and the reason why joker was so exciting as a reveal was because nobody expected it to ever happen. a surprise isn't logical, that's the exact opposite of a surprise

 

[Deleted member]

So on an unrelated note... does anyone actually use the echo-stacking feature? 'Cause I feel like they introduced it to be safe in case people were butthurt about echoes, but I can't see anyone actually wanting to do it. Personally, I don't really see the point or value in it; I'm just curious to know if anyone's actually been using it.

Just a random thought I had.

I don't. All it does is add extra menuing when trying to pick a character. It's way more convenient to let them sit next to who they're based off of.

 

[Shroob]

If it wasn't Joker, I was expecting something from Atlus at the very least.

They're one of the longest running 3rd parties that have supported Nintendo since the Famicon era that still hasn't gotten anything in Smash.

 

[Guynamednelson]

So on an unrelated note... does anyone actually use the echo-stacking feature? 'Cause I feel like they introduced it to be safe in case people were butthurt about echoes, but I can't see anyone actually wanting to do it. Personally, I don't really see the point or value in it; I'm just curious to know if anyone's actually been using it.

Just a random thought I had.

I'd only think it's useful if they add more echoes in the future and unstacked echoes make the CSS an eyesore.

 

[Zinith]

So on an unrelated note... does anyone actually use the echo-stacking feature? 'Cause I feel like they introduced it to be safe in case people were butthurt about echoes, but I can't see anyone actually wanting to do it. Personally, I don't really see the point or value in it; I'm just curious to know if anyone's actually been using it.

Just a random thought I had.

I don't even know how I'd do it even if I wanted to

 

[Luigi The President]

you saying joker was a logical choice?

No, actually, that's not what I was claiming at all?

 

[Diem]

Absolutely.

If you're going to want characters that will sell well from a popular series then Joker's absolutely a logical character to come to.

Yeah, he was the protagonist of one of the most popular and renowned games of 2017 in both Japan and the west. Of course he makes sense.

But a month ago people were saying that obscure characters from Japanese mobile games were going to be DLC. Because that's somehow more logical.

 

[praline]

So on an unrelated note... does anyone actually use the echo-stacking feature? 'Cause I feel like they introduced it to be safe in case people were butthurt about echoes, but I can't see anyone actually wanting to do it. Personally, I don't really see the point or value in it; I'm just curious to know if anyone's actually been using it.

Just a random thought I had.

I don’t cause I think the concept is dumb, I forgot it was a thing until now and I don’t even know how to.

 

[Luigi The President]

Yeah, he was the protagonist of one of the most popular and renowned games of 2017 in both Japan and the west. Of course he makes sense.

But a month ago people were saying that obscure characters from Japanese mobile games were going to be DLC. Because that's somehow more logical.

I wanna clarify what I was saying

My "logical pattern" was that the third party reps would all be protags

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

I don't even know how I'd do it even if I wanted to

Yea I stumbled across it by accident in one of the menus today. I was like, "oh yea, I forgot that was a thing."

 

[Shroob]

Yeah, he was the protagonist of one of the most popular and renowned games of 2017 in both Japan and the west. Of course he makes sense.

But a month ago people were saying that obscure characters from Japanese mobile games were going to be DLC. Because that's somehow more logical.

Even though we know said leak had nothing to do with Smash, it still wouldn't surprise me if this came to pass.


Cygames is ****ing huge in Japan now, and they have the connection with Nintendo through Dragalia Lost, and Nintendo owning stock in the company.