Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Hinata]

Since it's being mentioned so much, here's the theme for Mementos.

 

[Deleted member]

Mementos looks pretty cool, why do P5 players hate it so much?

I dont think its that people hate it, its that there are a ton of cool palaces (and their themes) that could be used instead.

Spoiler: Persona 5 Palace Spoiler

A medievil castle, a crazy looking factory-space station, the summit of an egyptian pyramid with an angry, giant sphinx lady flying around, a bank in the sky with a giant, endless-looking vault, a dali museum on acid, A cruise ship topped with a court house over looking a city drowning in flood waters, or a bitchin' casino.

 

[Gentlepanda]

Since it's being mentioned so much, here's the theme for Mementos.

fans: we want Persona 5 music in smash
sakurai: adds mementos and nothing else



sakurai: never ask me for anything again

 

[Idon]

Mementos looks pretty cool, why do P5 players hate it so much?

It's cool, but there are just SO many better options.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Also, I see you're hopping on the "Anyone is Here" Signature train! :3

Yup... just thought I'd give it a go

 

[Deleted member]

Still pulling for Velvet Room myself.

This better be in there if it is Velvet Room.

 

[Gentlepanda]

Yup... just thought I'd give it a go

watching folks slowly but surely hop aboard like

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Literally any palace. Or even the cafe if that was somehow feasible. The game is so visually pleasing in every other aspect, so I hope they don't do the obvious thing and go for it.

So. I haven’t played Persona at all.

But I am trying to piece things together. So knowing what Joker and The Phantom Theives do, I am assuming that Palaces are people’s minds. And if Mementos is a subconscious subway that connects everyone together, that must mean you can access all of the palaces through Mementos. So what if it was a moving stage that takes you through multiple palaces from the game.

Please don’t hit me if I’m super wrong.

I dont think its that people hate it, its that there are a ton of cool palaces (and their themes) that could be used instead.

Spoiler: Persona 5 Palace Spoiler

A medievil castle, a crazy looking factory-space station, the summit of an egyptian pyramid with an angry, giant sphinx lady flying around, a bank in the sky with a giant, endless-looking vault, a dali museum on acid, A cruise ship topped with a court house over looking a city drowning in flood waters, or a bitchin' casino.

A casino stage would be cool IMO

 

[CaptainAmerica]

G.g.guys, you should be worried about banning Isabelle right now.

There was a problem fetching the tweet

She is a Dragon Summoner!

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I know what we need to fix this...

Seriously though, I love glitches that barely affect gameplay (in what circumstance would two Isabelles simultaneously be on screen and both use their fishing rod at the exact same time) but look hysterical. Like how did that programming bug even happen?

 

[osby]

Still pulling for Velvet Room myself.

This better be in there if it is Velvet Room.

inb4 it's Electronica in Velvet Room.

 

[Deleted member]

inb4 it's Electronica in Velvet Room.

I'd take it.

No such thing as a bad Velvet Room theme.

 

[osby]

So. I haven’t played Persona at all.

But I am trying to piece things together. So knowing what Joker and The Phantom Theives do, I am assuming that Palaces are people’s minds. And if Mementos is a subconscious subway that connects everyone together, that must mean you can access all of the palaces through Mementos. So what if it was a moving stage that takes you through multiple palaces from the game.

Please don’t hit me if I’m super wrong.

You don't use Mementos to travel between Palaces. They are on the surface, Mementos is in the underground. They technically born from it, but they have no physical connection in the game proper.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Have people been getting codes for Piranha Plant? Because I haven't got mine yet if so.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

You don't use Mementos to travel between Palaces. They are on the surface, Mementos is in the underground. They technically born from it, but they have no physical connection in the game proper.

Ah. I see. Oh well. I was just trying to make the idea interesting.

 

[Gentlepanda]

So. I haven’t played Persona at all.

But I am trying to piece things together. So knowing what Joker and The Phantom Theives do, I am assuming that Palaces are people’s minds. And if Mementos is a subconscious subway that connects everyone together, that must mean you can access all of the palaces through Mementos. So what if it was a moving stage that takes you through multiple palaces from the game.

Please don’t hit me if I’m super wrong.

Half right. Palaces are essentially super-distorted cognitions - the result of someone's worldview being way out of whack, be it for lust or greed or whatever. Mementos, meanwhile, is the cognitive construct of the general public: the everyday people who aren't twisted enough to have palaces, but have minor distortions that can manifest in the subway's sort of collective unconscious (hence why it's used for minor side-quest bosses not significant enough to have palaces of their own). However, palaces and Mementos are largely separate entities - just as each palace owner's cognition is separate from one another (because they're each someone else's way of viewing the world), so too is the general public's its own thing.

 

[Deleted member]

So. I haven’t played Persona at all.

But I am trying to piece things together. So knowing what Joker and The Phantom Theives do, I am assuming that Palaces are people’s minds. And if Mementos is a subconscious subway that connects everyone together, that must mean you can access all of the palaces through Mementos. So what if it was a moving stage that takes you through multiple palaces from the game.

Please don’t hit me if I’m super wrong.

You're close. Mementos is the subconscious of the general population; you can't really reach the others from one another; you have to go directly from one to another. Though it would be nice to have a transitioning stage going from one palace to another, it doesn't quite work like that.

With as much as Sakurai loved it, though, I could see a lot of love going not only into the character, but the music selection and the stage selection as well. Mementos is mostly its own thing, too (with its deeper levels becoming more palace-like than the endless dungeon crawl that the upper levels are). It really could go a few ways:
1) The stage transforms (like the FE colisseum stages or the Mario Stage but with Mona in Bus form instead of Kamek) and goes through the different palaces
2) The Velvet Room (featuring Justine & Caroline as stage hazards that'll randomly intervene or something) and the Warden at his desk just overseeing everything
3) Mementos (possibly even a side-scrolling one along the tracks as Subway trains, Shadows, or the other Phantom Thieves pass through randomly)
4) Only one Palace; likely Kamoshida's since it was the first one

 

[Deleted member]

Can we also get this in Smash please, Sakurai.

One of the best freakin' jams ever right here, this song is one of my most favorite things ever.

 

[Gentlepanda]

I'd take it.

No such thing as a bad Velvet Room theme.

imagine perfecting a theme in 2006 and never needing to remix it again

this message was brought to you by the igor gang

 

[greenluigiman2]

Right, but it would still be smart for their game to be at the biggest fighting game tourney in the world.

Why are they so stupid sometimes

EVO Japan is not the biggest fighting game tourney in the world. That's EVO, and you can bet your ass it'll be there.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

as long as mementos has good music, idgaf

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

This thread moves at the speed of light, so I apologize if this has already been brought up and beaten to death already, but has this made the rounds here:
https://screenrant.com/super-smash-bros-ultimate-second-dlc-character/
Apparently there's some solid looking evidence of our 2nd DLC character and its Erdrick (with a Luminary Alt as I had suspected)

Pro-tip: If you think something has already been covered in this thread, it has.

This has been brought up at least 3 times now, and the Square Enix support thread is still on fire after it was posted there yesterday.

 

[osby]

Can we also get this in Smash please, Sakurai.

One of the best freakin' jams ever right here, this song is one of my most favorite things ever.

No reason not to put it in, it's the main battle theme. Real gems like Heartful Cry, on the other hand...

imagine perfecting a theme in 2006 and never needing to remix it again

this message was brought to you by the igor gang

There's actually an even better version in the first game, dated 1996:

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

the only good video game reviewer is nitrorad

scott's alright too i just hope he's not racist

I see your nitrorad and raise you Tim Rogers

I love this guy.

 

[Gentlepanda]

There's actually an even better version in the first game, dated 1996:

oh my

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I’m still hoping that if we get Banjo and Kazooie that they get a transforming stage. Zooming through Gruntilda’s Lair and entering some of the more iconic worlds. Mumbo’s Mountain, Treasure Trove Cove, Freezezy Peak, Mad Monster Mansion, Gobi’s Valley, ending on the rooftop with the Gruntilda fight.

This could work for Crash Bandicoot too with the Time Twister, but I’d prefer a Wumpa Islands stage. Like N. Sanity Isand.

 

[Deleted member]

imagine perfecting a theme in 2006 and never needing to remix it again

this message was brought to you by the igor gang

Spoiler: BIG P5 SPOILERS. Don't read if you haven't played it yet!

Yeah, no, seriously: Don't read this joke if you haven't played it yet. It ruins the ending. Just scroll back up, don't even hesitate: Just do it. Scroll back up.

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Not that Igor, though.

That's the evil cup in disguise. He scares me.

 

[SmashingXan2]

Man I miss the fan item. Went back to Brawl, got King Dedede stuck in a corner on Shadow Moses with a fan, and beat him with it until he reached 999% before killing him with up special. It was amazing

 

[Deleted member]

Pro-tip: If you think something has already been covered in this thread, it has.

This has been brought up at least 3 times now, and the Square Enix support thread is still on fire after it was posted there yesterday.

Fair point. Oh well. Thanks for the reply.

 

[osby]

Man I miss the fan item. Went back to Brawl, got King Dedede stuck in a corner on Shadow Moses with a fan, and beat him with it until he reached 999% before killing him with up special. It was amazing

You just wrote why they cut it.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

This post made me laugh so much
Thank you for bringing a bit of humor to my day :3

Okay, but seriously. Just like Zinith has a large reason to like Yoshi, what's your reason for liking Littlest Pet Shop so much? Is there a tragic backstory associated with it? Does it remind you of a long lost flame or potent childhood memory? What is it about Littlest Pet Shop specifically?

 

[Deleted member]

Man I miss the fan item. Went back to Brawl, got King Dedede stuck in a corner on Shadow Moses with a fan, and beat him with it until he reached 999% before killing him with up special. It was amazing

Items in Ultimate are already pretty janky with how many of them one hit kill, especially ATs and Pokemon. The fan would just be too much, lol.

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

Items in Ultimate are already pretty janky with how many of them one hit kill, especially ATs and Pokemon. The fan would just be too much, lol.

True but it was so fun to smack everyone silly with it.

 

[Idon]

Items in Ultimate are already pretty janky with how many of them one hit kill, especially ATs and Pokemon. The fan would just be too much, lol.

I dunno why it can't just break like the hammer does after too many uses.

 

[Icedragonadam]

Looking at the typical whining over 3rd party RPG characters. Let's see what the 3rd party RPG characters's series play like.

Cloud: Active Time Turn Based RPGs

Joker: Dungeon Crawler RPGs(with dating Sim elements)

Erdrick(rumored): Traditonal Turn Based RPGs

Lloyd or Yuri(rumored as well): Action RPGs

Doesn't look any different from the platforming guests(Sonic, Mega Man, Simon, and Richter) as their games are distinct as well.

 

[osby]

I dunno why it can't just break like the hammer does after too many uses.

Because you can't break paper. It literally has no weak points. OP

 

[Deleted member]

True but it was so fun to smack everyone silly with it.

I did that a lot back in the Brawl days and one of my brothers hated it so much they turned the item off, lol.

I'm really torn on items in Ultimate. Not sure I like playing this one with them, for some reason it makes everything more confusing and disorentating than it used to in past titles. Probably because there are already so many different screen blocking effects going on on screen. Turning the item rate down to "low" made it much better, though.

Also, I really dislike FS meter. It makes a lot of matches come down to camping and waiting for it to fill up, plus, other people have to wait for the other player's FS to finish before they can go back to playing. FSs kinda feel bad in this game, honestly.

 

[Idon]

Because you can't break paper. It literally has no weak points. OP

Oh yeah, how about this one:

 

[Gentlepanda]

Joker: Dungeon Crawler RPGs(with dating Sim elements)

clearly joker's gimmick is going to be the art of seduction

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

Because you can't break paper. It literally has no weak points. OP

Not with this it doesn't.

Spoiler

 

[ClaTheBae]

Okay, but seriously. Just like Zinith has a large reason to like Yoshi, what's your reason for liking Littlest Pet Shop so much? Is there a tragic backstory associated with it? Does it remind you of a long lost flame or potent childhood memory? What is it about Littlest Pet Shop specifically?

some people are just attracted to canines there's a whole movement behind it called "furry"

it's pretty underground stuff you prolly haven't heard about it