Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Good Guy Giygas]

...The hell did I just walk into?

My only complaints about Waluigi aren't the fault of the character himself. Nintendo should do something with him; give him his own series, have him be Wario's sidekick in Ware, anything really. I don't find the spin-off moveset interesting and I feel it lacks cohesion to work together.

I'd give Wario Land a small makeover and make him the star of that series instead of its current titular character.

This. This is the reason why I feel like he isn't playable, because Nintendo themselves don't care about him as a character. Until they decide to do something with him, I seriously doubt his chances of joining the roster.

But who knows? Maybe the outcry about him not being in Ultimate caused Nintendo to notice his popularity among fans, and perhaps they'll actually start putting him in main Mario games as a result, kinda like how they've started using Pauline again. But I don't see him being playable in Smash until this happens.

 

[Noipoi]

I have several Yoshi shirts if that counts

CLOSE ENOUGH.

 

[Zinith]

Promise me you'll wear an Emil head.
Or at the very least, a Yoshi Head.

Actually no, that sounds morbid. Let's go with Yoshi Mask.

I wouldn't even know where to find any of those...

Especially the Emil head

 

[Idon]

I'm totally banking on Waluigi being Smash 6's "Oh wow, guys, we totally didn't know how popular he is so I guess, here he is, lol"

Well, if they don't just reboot the damn thing.

 

[ChronoBound]

This is a very controversial opinion, but I think nearly every Nintendo character that should be on the roster is on the roster at this point. The only exceptions to this I feel are Dixie Kong, Bandana Dee, and some form of Toad (original, Captain, or Toadette). In terms of franchises lacking a playable character, I can easily understand why Splatoon was the only one added. However, Rhythm Heaven definitely needs to have some sort of content beyond just a few music tracks (even a stage would be enough to represent the franchise).

I think ARMS might eventually get up there if the series continued to grow.

 

[Deleted member]

And Sawano hasn't done anything terrible either, I think.

And he should've been in the game.

Damn it, the glaring lack of Xeno X content in Ultimate hurts me.

Hey man maybe it points to them saving it for Elma's DLC pack haha yes its a miniscule sliver of hope but let me cling to it ok all my wanted characters are dead except for her

 

[Deleted member]

This is a very controversial opinion, but I think nearly every Nintendo character that should be on the roster is on the roster at this point. The only exceptions to this I feel are Dixie Kong, Bandana Dee, and some form of Toad (original, Captain, or Toadette). In terms of franchises lacking a playable character, I can easily understand why Splatoon was the only one added. However, Rhythm Heaven definitely needs to have some sort of content beyond just a few music tracks (even a stage would be enough to represent the franchise).

I think ARMS might eventually get up there if the series continued to grow.

Honestly I completely agree. Those characters you named are essentially all that’s left in terms of real big Nintendo characters who should be in. I suppose this would justify a mostly third party DLC lineup.

 

[REZERO]

This is a very controversial opinion, but I think nearly every Nintendo character that should be on the roster is on the roster at this point. The only exceptions to this I feel are Dixie Kong, Bandana Dee, and some form of Toad (original, Captain, or Toadette). In terms of franchises lacking a playable character, I can easily understand why Splatoon was the only one added. However, Rhythm Heaven definitely needs to have some sort of content beyond just a few music tracks (even a stage would be enough to represent the franchise).

I think ARMS might eventually get up there if the series continued to grow.

EXCUSE ME, MYTHRA AND PYRA ARE NOT ON THE ROSTER.

/rant over

 

[Wyoming]

This is a very controversial opinion, but I think nearly every Nintendo character that should be on the roster is on the roster at this point. The only exceptions to this I feel are Dixie Kong, Bandana Dee, and some form of Toad (original, Captain, or Toadette). In terms of franchises lacking a playable character, I can easily understand why Splatoon was the only one added. However, Rhythm Heaven definitely needs to have some sort of content beyond just a few music tracks (even a stage would be enough to represent the franchise).

I think ARMS might eventually get up there if the series continued to grow.

Nintendo do need to create more long-lasting IPs, yes. But some franchises could do with new regular characters they want to promote/use (Zelda, Star Fox, and Metroid spring to mind for this particular problem). And there's always some series like ARMS, Rhythm Heaven, Golden Sun, and whatnot to dip into as of right now.

They will always have someone to add as long as Mario, Pokemon, Xenoblade, Kirby, and Fire Emblem add more staples to their series. The other series have to contribute too, though!

Come on, Nintendo. Give us Miyu and Faye!

 

[Idon]

TBH, What was "needed" in Smash has long ago already been met in Brawl.

Everything I want, I want because I like em, not to fill some gaping hole in the roster.

Spoiler

God, the speculation cycle began with my 2nd most wanted being deconfirmed and ended with my 1st most wanted being deconfirmed.

 

[Deleted member]

Didn’t Sakurai subtly complain about the lack of new Nintendo ips when he was talking about Olimar in brawl?

 

[praline]

Honestly the names Galeem and Darkhon are kinda dumb if you think about it.

They’re just gleam and darken spelled weirdly.

 

[Luigi The President]

This is a very controversial opinion, but I think nearly every Nintendo character that should be on the roster is on the roster at this point. The only exceptions to this I feel are Dixie Kong, Bandana Dee, and some form of Toad (original, Captain, or Toadette). In terms of franchises lacking a playable character, I can easily understand why Splatoon was the only one added. However, Rhythm Heaven definitely needs to have some sort of content beyond just a few music tracks (even a stage would be enough to represent the franchise).

I think ARMS might eventually get up there if the series continued to grow.

Not controversial imo. These feel like some of the last characters who are genuinely missing.

 

[PsySmasher]

We will see. Reminds me of the box theory where people did not believe something solely because they did not want it to be true. Personally, I think the closest thing we will get to a Nintendo character will be if Banjo-Kazooie or Geno gets in.

The writing is pretty much going to be on the wall once the third DLC character is unveiled.

The difference between this and the box theory was that the box theory was very clear on what it was implying.
Here, everything is based on someone's interpretation of the material we have. There is no universally agreed upon interpretation of the material.
I'm fine with you believing that all the DLC will be 3rd party. It's not an unlikely scenario.
I have a problem when people take speculation, especially when it's up for interpretation, as fact.

 

[Deleted member]

Seriously though, how hasn’t Dixie kong gotten in yet? She’s perfect! She pretty much fills every requirement to be on the roster.
I’m exaggerating of course, I know why she hasn’t been made playable, but she really does feel like the most notable omission to me.

 

[Peridorito]

This is a very controversial opinion, but I think nearly every Nintendo character that should be on the roster is on the roster at this point. The only exceptions to this I feel are Dixie Kong, Bandana Dee, and some form of Toad (original, Captain, or Toadette). In terms of franchises lacking a playable character, I can easily understand why Splatoon was the only one added. However, Rhythm Heaven definitely needs to have some sort of content beyond just a few music tracks (even a stage would be enough to represent the franchise).

I think ARMS might eventually get up there if the series continued to grow.

I agree 100%, which is why I'm expecting mostly third party/new series DLC. Toad, Dixie and Dee are important to their series, so I think they would make more sense as base roster characters for the next game. The DLC is supossed to be surprising and characters that are important to series already in the game aren't particularly surprising. I think if we get any Nintendo characters as DLC they'll be unexpected characters in the vein of Mr. Game & Watch and Wii Fit Trainer.

 

[Wyoming]

Seriously though, how hasn’t Dixie kong gotten in yet? She’s perfect! She pretty much fills every requirement to be on the roster.
I’m exaggerating of course, I know why she hasn’t been made playable, but she really does feel like the most notable omission to me.

More bothered by the fact DK only has jungle stages. Now musically there's much better diversity, but the stages man...DK has so many memorable locales that it is a shame they stick to level 1 places.

 

[DevaAshera]

Samus and ZSS were the same character, just separate now. Dr. Mario and Pichu are easy clones, and Waluigi couldn't be a clone because he's too different. If he could be I'd be all for him in Smash but I don't think he should be added otherwise because he simply isn't important to his series and doesn't offer anything Toad/Paper Mario couldn't (especially because Piranha Plant is already their own character).

Waluigi is a more requested character then Paper Mario and especially more-so then Toad (as much as I'd like Toadette as an alt to play as).
Piranha Plant is a character, so importance is thrown right out..and no, a mook in a video game is not more important then a named individual character is.

However, that said, I'd rather Nintendo add Waluigi to a new Wario Land/World or WarioWare first and then they can add Waluigi as a Wario Rep rather then a Mario Rep.

 

[Zinith]

Obligatory Zinith post...

 

[Luigi The President]

Seriously though, how hasn’t Dixie kong gotten in yet? She’s perfect! She pretty much fills every requirement to be on the roster.
I’m exaggerating of course, I know why she hasn’t been made playable, but she really does feel like the most notable omission to me.

I'm not really a Dixie supporter but I genuinely don't know why she hasn't, enlighten me Onereason

Waluigi is a more requested character then Paper Mario and especially more-so then Toad (as much as I'd like Toadette as an alt to play as).
Piranha Plant is a character, so importance is thrown right out..and no, a mook in a video game is not more important then a named individual character is.

However, that said, I'd rather Nintendo add Waluigi to a new Wario Land/World or WarioWare first and then they can add Waluigi as a Wario Rep rather then a Mario Rep.

I have a bone to pick with the "waluigi is more requested then paper mario" claim here
That's very bold. I wouldn't be so sure; over the past 4 years, PM has been much more seriously prominent then Waa from what I've seen.

 

[Deleted member]

More bothered by the fact DK only has jungle stages. Now musically there's much better diversity, but the stages man...DK has so many memorable locales that it is a shame they stick to level 1 places.

Honestly for me, smash’s stages tend to be lacking in general. Feels like too many of them are just the ‘level 1’ of the series, which causes some to feel really samey. I mean, we still don’t have a proper bowser’s castle stage.

 

[Iridium]

Seriously though, how hasn’t Dixie kong gotten in yet? She’s perfect! She pretty much fills every requirement to be on the roster.
I’m exaggerating of course, I know why she hasn’t been made playable, but she really does feel like the most notable omission to me.

Watch that one irrelevant, small group of people claim DK got too much rep if she gets in.

Anyway, yeah, she seems like a rather easy character to put into the game based on her legacy. It's more of "hope she didn't get forgotten" type of situation, but maybe that's not the case.

 

[MainJPW]

Honestly for me, smash’s stages tend to be lacking in general. Feels like too many of them are just the ‘level 1’ of the series, which causes some to feel really samey. I mean, we still don’t have a proper bowser’s castle stage.

Don’t get me started on Sonic having two Green Hills.

 

[Idon]

Honestly for me, smash’s stages tend to be lacking in general. Feels like too many of them are just the ‘level 1’ of the series, which causes some to feel really samey. I mean, we still don’t have a proper bowser’s castle stage.

And even then THE most iconic level 1, isn't even the right level 1. It's some ****ty sandy version of it kept over from Brawl's dumb story mode.

 

[praline]

More bothered by the fact DK only has jungle stages. Now musically there's much better diversity, but the stages man...DK has so many memorable locales that it is a shame they stick to level 1 places.

Probably cause the common smash players would be like “why the **** is there an ice/volcano/whatever stage for DK?”.

 

[Peridorito]

More bothered by the fact DK only has jungle stages.

75m isn't a jungle

 

[Wademan94]

More bothered by the fact DK only has jungle stages. Now musically there's much better diversity, but the stages man...DK has so many memorable locales that it is a shame they stick to level 1 places.

Kinda another big reason why I’d like to see Dixie cause I’d like to see her bring a Tropical Freeze stage. Personally I’m hoping for Homecoming Hijinks cause we only have one snow based stage and that stage feels like it represents the game best.

 

[ChronoBound]

Didn’t Sakurai subtly complain about the lack of new Nintendo ips when he was talking about Olimar in brawl?

Yes he did.

The massive sales of the DS and Wii period gave Sakurai several new franchises to work with (Wii Fit, Mii, arguably Xenoblade). He also changed his mind on Animal Crossing (which only grew since he decided Brawl's roster back in 2005), and intended to give Rhythm Heaven a character (the DS installment sold over a million copies in Japan alone). The Galaxy (among the highest acclaimed 3D platformers of all time) and NSMB (NSMBWii was the SECOND highest selling home console game of all time in Japan) games warranted Rosalina and Bowser Jr., while Awakening and Uprising gave Robin and Palutena and echoes for those two titles (Lucina and Dark Pit).

That is why I can understand Sakurai if he was being serious about Smash Bros. having a "ten year" break (realistically, the next game will be made whenever the next Nintendo console happens). The DS and Wii period introduced a lot of fertile software to draw newcomers from. Hopefully, the coming years we will get successful new IPS or fantastic installments for veteran franchises that give us new characters that are integral to Nintendo as a whole. As it stands, Ultimate actually added the two biggest Nintendo characters created during the 2010's, Inkling and Isabelle.

It will be interesting to see what happens with the 2020's or even during 2019 (and if ARMS continues to have a following).

 

[Deleted member]

I'm not really a Dixie supporter but I genuinely don't know why she hasn't, enlighten me Onereason


I have a bone to pick with the "waluigi is more requested then paper mario" claim here
That's very bold. I wouldn't be so sure; over the past 4 years, PM has been much more seriously prominent then Waa from what I've seen.

Pretty much the same as most characters, low priority. Another thing is that Dixie only really became relevant again back with tropical Freeze. In the brawl days she wasn’t as prominent in the DK series, at least compared to diddy. Tropical freeze was too late for her to be considered for smash 4, and she wasn’t DLC likely because she was neither a veteran nor a character who could promote a new game (yes I know Corrin was chosen cause moveset). Those are the main reason to me at least.

 

[Impa4Smash]

Seriously though, how hasn’t Dixie kong gotten in yet? She’s perfect! She pretty much fills every requirement to be on the roster.
I’m exaggerating of course, I know why she hasn’t been made playable, but she really does feel like the most notable omission to me.

I’m really surprised they didn’t “Chrom” Dixie. Make her an echo of Diddy with a unique up-B and a few other flourishes here and there

 

[Noipoi]

75m isn't a jungle

You're right.

It isn't a jungle, it's just pain.

 

[Wyoming]

And even then THE most iconic level 1, isn't even the right level 1. It's some ****ty sandy version of it kept over from Brawl's dumb story mode.

Actually it was never in Subspace. Brawl was during the gritty, realistic era and that stage represents it nicely. Feel the same about Siege, Yoah's Island, Port Town, Halberd, and Bridge of Eldin when it comes to their design.

 

[TheCJBrine]

75m isn't a jungle

Ah, but it takes place within a concrete jungle(?)

 

[Zinith]

You're right.

It isn't a jungle, it's just pain.

I'll just outright say it...

I played through all 103 stages, and 75m is the WORST ONE!!!

 

[Noipoi]

I'll just outright say it...

I played through all 103 stages, and 75m is the WORST ONE!!!

It's probably the only thing in this beautiful game I hate.

Thank God for Omega forms.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Stage Morph 75m + Hanenbow is the best stage in the game, I don't know what y'all are talking about.

 

[Iko MattOrr]

They insist that every character will be a surprise.
There's no way to predict those surprises, but I want to make a prediction, trying to be as unpredictable as possible.

DLC 0 - A basic Mario minion (Piranha Plant)
DLC 1 - A character appearing mostly on Sony consoles (Joker)
DLC 2 - A Nintendo character (one of the missing spirits, or a new character from a game that's still not announced - when everyone is expecting a 3rd party)
DLC 3 - A character to appeal the PC gamers (I don't know, Overwatch, Portal... Licensing can be a nightmare I know)
DLC 4 - A very requested fan favorite (someone like Geno; when everyone has lost their hopes, it becomes unexpected)
DLC 5 - A third party character who often people do not associate to videogames (something like Vocaloid or Digimon/Tamagochi)

This will most likely be wrong, but at least I tried.

 

[praline]

I'll just outright say it...

I played through all 103 stages, and 75m is the WORST ONE!!!

Same... and 75mm is the only stage to do a screen wipe during a stage morph.

I’m not even kidding earlier today I was doing a stage morph and it morphed to 75mm and pushed all 8 characters up into the blast zone.

 

[Deleted member]

Pac-Land is easily my most dislike stage.

Looks like bad Undertale sprite art made in Paint.

 

[Deleted member]

Stage Morph 75m + Hanenbow is the best stage in the game, I don't know what y'all are talking about.

Hanenbow’s cool cause electroplankton’s cool.