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[Deleted member]

What would the fandom's reaction be if Kiddy Kong got in while Dixie still got left out?

Just curious.

based sakurai

 

[Deleted member]

I'm pretty sure it's not just that comment.
They have hinted multiple times at the possibility that all the DLCs will be unexpected, since the day when Sakurai said that all characters are selected by Nintendo/stop requesting characters if you are not asked to.

Those aren't really hints and are more "DLCs decided already stop asking for Waluigi you pricks" type statements lol

 

[Impa4Smash]

What would the fandom's reaction be if Kiddy Kong got in while Dixie still got left out?

Just curious.

Rage. Pure unadulterated rage.

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

Ok I feel like some people are taking the "unexpected characters" comment by Reggie a bit TOO seriously

Like... it's just PR talk. Like I bet there's gonna be another 3rd party or something that'll be surprising like a Dark Souls rep or some **** but don't think that anyone is (de)confirmed because of this. I mean, he's literally just trying to hype people up. He's a PR guy. Don't take characters off/put characters on prediction lists because of this one comment he made lmao

He's probably also trying to hint at the fact that he himself is going to be one of the DLC fighters.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

What would the fandom's reaction be if Kiddy Kong got in while Dixie still got left out?

Just curious.

I'd imagine it would be like this.

 

[ChronoBound]

I’m really surprised they didn’t “Chrom” Dixie. Make her an echo of Diddy with a unique up-B and a few other flourishes here and there

I actually looked at the echoes (and what they had unique about themselves) and tried to come up with a Dixie Kong echo concept that would:
1. Please most Dixie Kong fans.
2. Still stay within the echo category.

This is what I came up with:

If Dixie Kong was going to be an "ideal" echo fighter with the "Ken" treatment:

1. Would not have any speed, fall speed, , jump, or weight differences.
That is an aspect echoes have about themselves that makes them very different from Melee-style clones. Ken was only allowed to break the barrier for one difference being walk/run speed.

2. She has different run and jump animations.
Her run and jump animations would be taken from how they were in DKC2 and DKC3. Dark Samus shows the precedent of an echo being able to have unique running and jumping animations. She would borrow her first jump animation from DKC2/DKC3 much like Diddy's first jump animation is from DKC/DKC2.

3. She has a completely different recovery: Helicopter Twirl
Taking the example from Chrom with Ike, Dixie has an altered special from another character from her series, DK. Only instead of spinning her fists, she spins around with her hair, and it covers far more horizontal and vertical distance than DK's recovery. Alternatively, her diffrerent recovery could be she recovers by how she flies in Tropical Freeze for a brief time.

4. Completely different Final Smash.
Without possessing the Rocket Barrel Jetpack, this means she would have to have a different Final Smash. My idea (as well as others) would be incorporating Rambi into it, where she probably does the typical Final Smash dash into an opponent only for it trigger a cutscene of her in the jungle riding Rambi, and rams into the opponents who got hit with the initial Final Smash dash animation.

5. Uses her hair for a few different attacks.
Ken has the precedent for possessing a few different attacks due to the character being known for something (in Ken's case its his kicks). He even has Hell Wheel as one of his throws. Dixie Kong would have a unique dash animation (in place of Diddy's cart wheel) that borrows from her ground pirouette in DCK2/DKC3. Various attacks with her hair could be done in her moveset with the precedent set by Ken. I am not sure if using the hair for grabbing would be crossing the echo line too far.

6. She uses the Bubble Gum Pop Gun.
A slightly different special (in the vein of Dark Pit's two slightly altered specials). Only this one maybe either fires a bit faster or does a bit more damage in place of not being able to shoot edible ammo.

Dixie Kong if she was "done right" would have to be an echo in the style of Ken. Simply using her hair for only her recovery might not be enough for her to be true to her character. However, the combined precedent established by Ken, Chrom, and Dark Samus would mean that technically Dixie Kong could be done well as an echo (at least in my opinion).

 

[Impa4Smash]

He's probably also trying to hint at the fact that he himself is going to be one of the DLC fighters.

He’s in the game or did you not make a Reggie Mii yet?

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

He’s in the game or did you not make a Reggie Mii yet?

But now he's being promoted from a Mii to a full-fledged fighter.

 

[Impa4Smash]

But now he's being promoted from a Mii to a full-fledged fighter.

As long as we get a Bill Trinen echo with him I’m down

 

[MainJPW]

He's probably also trying to hint at the fact that he himself is going to be one of the DLC fighters.

Does he come with a Fils-A-Mech echo?

 

[TheCJBrine]

What exactly were the differences between Ken and Ryu?

Tbh I don't really play them much at all, if any; I just remember some moves from trying them some in WoL and Classic Mode. Other than the aesthetic differences and the Final Smashes being different, I don't know.

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

Does he come with a Fils-A-Mech echo?

Possibly, though I can see that being his Final Smash.

 

[Deleted member]

What exactly were the differences between Ken and Ryu?

Tbh I don't really play them much at all, if any; I just remember some moves from trying them some in WoL and Classic Mode. Other than the aesthetic differences and the Final Smashes being different, I don't know.

Iirc Ken doesn't have a fire Hadoken but he also has a new input command kick

 

[RandomAce]

What exactly were the differences between Ken and Ryu?

Tbh I don't really play them much at all, if any; I just remember some moves from trying them some in WoL and Classic Mode. Other than the aesthetic differences and the Final Smashes being different, I don't know.

There are... a lot.

Ken has 5 completely different normals (including his command kicks), brand new forward Smash, different run speed, multi fire Shoryu, multi hit Tatsu, weaker Hadoken, and new final Smashes.

With this, any potential new echoes can actually have a notable amount of differences.

 

[Wyoming]

What would the fandom's reaction be if Kiddy Kong got in while Dixie still got left out?

Just curious.

It would be nonsensical, really.

I feel like the only other viable Donkey Kong character as it stands is Funky Kong, and he's the only one I can see beating Dixie to the punch. Cranky's cool, but I feel his potential as a Smash character is too limited to work well. He's the kind of a character from a series that you appreciate but most people don't care enough to see him added in Smash.

Looking at you, Peppy.

 

[Impa4Smash]

I actually looked at the echoes (and what they had unique about themselves) and tried to come up with a Dixie Kong echo concept that would:
1. Please most Dixie Kong fans.
2. Still stay within the echo category.

This is what I came up with:

If Dixie Kong was going to be an "ideal" echo fighter with the "Ken" treatment:

1. Would not have any speed, fall speed, , jump, or weight differences.
That is an aspect echoes have about themselves that makes them very different from Melee-style clones. Ken was only allowed to break the barrier for one difference being walk/run speed.

2. She has different run and jump animations.
Her run and jump animations would be taken from how they were in DKC2 and DKC3. Dark Samus shows the precedent of an echo being able to have unique running and jumping animations. She would borrow her first jump animation from DKC2/DKC3 much like Diddy's first jump animation is from DKC/DKC2.

3. She has a completely different recovery: Helicopter Twirl
Taking the example from Chrom with Ike, Dixie has an altered special from another character from her series, DK. Only instead of spinning her fists, she spins around with her hair, and it covers far more horizontal and vertical distance than DK's recovery. Alternatively, her diffrerent recovery could be she recovers by how she flies in Tropical Freeze for a brief time.

4. Completely different Final Smash.
Without possessing the Rocket Barrel Jetpack, this means she would have to have a different Final Smash. My idea (as well as others) would be incorporating Rambi into it, where she probably does the typical Final Smash dash into an opponent only for it trigger a cutscene of her in the jungle riding Rambi, and rams into the opponents who got hit with the initial Final Smash dash animation.

5. Uses her hair for a few different attacks.
Ken has the precedent for possessing a few different attacks due to the character being known for something (in Ken's case its his kicks). He even has Hell Wheel as one of his throws. Dixie Kong would have a unique dash animation (in place of Diddy's cart wheel) that borrows from her ground pirouette in DCK2/DKC3. Various attacks with her hair could be done in her moveset with the precedent set by Ken. I am not sure if using the hair for grabbing would be crossing the echo line too far.

6. She uses the Bubble Gum Pop Gun.
A slightly different special (in the vein of Dark Pit's two slightly altered specials). Only this one maybe either fires a bit faster or does a bit more damage in place of not being able to shoot edible ammo.

Dixie Kong if she was "done right" would have to be an echo in the style of Ken. Simply using her hair for only her recovery might not be enough for her to be true to her character. However, the combined precedent established by Ken, Chrom, and Dark Samus would mean that technically Dixie Kong could be done well as an echo (at least in my opinion).

Very good ideas. My only suggestion - instead of Rambi as her FS it’s her playing guitar. It’s so iconic to her character.

As a Dixie fan I will happily take her as an echo like you laid out as opposed to not getting her at all. My fingers are still crossed for some free DLC echoes or maybe a second fighter pass

 

[Deleted member]

Pac-Land is easily my most dislike stage.

Looks like bad Undertale sprite art made in Paint.

Except it's a stage based off of an arcade game based off a bad TV show over 30 years ago.

 

[The Prankster 16]

I really hope that in some update, they add the announcer scream.
I mean, just take the part of that overview trailer where he says it, and put it at the end where the title comes in.

 

[Wademan94]

I actually looked at the echoes (and what they had unique about themselves) and tried to come up with a Dixie Kong echo concept that would:
1. Please most Dixie Kong fans.
2. Still stay within the echo category.

This is what I came up with:

If Dixie Kong was going to be an "ideal" echo fighter with the "Ken" treatment:

1. Would not have any speed, fall speed, , jump, or weight differences.
That is an aspect echoes have about themselves that makes them very different from Melee-style clones. Ken was only allowed to break the barrier for one difference being walk/run speed.

2. She has different run and jump animations.
Her run and jump animations would be taken from how they were in DKC2 and DKC3. Dark Samus shows the precedent of an echo being able to have unique running and jumping animations. She would borrow her first jump animation from DKC2/DKC3 much like Diddy's first jump animation is from DKC/DKC2.

3. She has a completely different recovery: Helicopter Twirl
Taking the example from Chrom with Ike, Dixie has an altered special from another character from her series, DK. Only instead of spinning her fists, she spins around with her hair, and it covers far more horizontal and vertical distance than DK's recovery. Alternatively, her diffrerent recovery could be she recovers by how she flies in Tropical Freeze for a brief time.

4. Completely different Final Smash.
Without possessing the Rocket Barrel Jetpack, this means she would have to have a different Final Smash. My idea (as well as others) would be incorporating Rambi into it, where she probably does the typical Final Smash dash into an opponent only for it trigger a cutscene of her in the jungle riding Rambi, and rams into the opponents who got hit with the initial Final Smash dash animation.

5. Uses her hair for a few different attacks.
Ken has the precedent for possessing a few different attacks due to the character being known for something (in Ken's case its his kicks). He even has Hell Wheel as one of his throws. Dixie Kong would have a unique dash animation (in place of Diddy's cart wheel) that borrows from her ground pirouette in DCK2/DKC3. Various attacks with her hair could be done in her moveset with the precedent set by Ken. I am not sure if using the hair for grabbing would be crossing the echo line too far.

6. She uses the Bubble Gum Pop Gun.
A slightly different special (in the vein of Dark Pit's two slightly altered specials). Only this one maybe either fires a bit faster or does a bit more damage in place of not being able to shoot edible ammo.

Dixie Kong if she was "done right" would have to be an echo in the style of Ken. Simply using her hair for only her recovery might not be enough for her to be true to her character. However, the combined precedent established by Ken, Chrom, and Dark Samus would mean that technically Dixie Kong could be done well as an echo (at least in my opinion).

Yeah I definitely can see this working, I mentioned this on the last page but I think another change I could see is her also having down special as well using her hair that is faster and less knockback but has more combo potential.

Very good ideas. My only suggestion - instead of Rambi as her FS it’s her playing guitar. It’s so iconic to her character.

As a Dixie fan I will happily take her as an echo like you laid out as opposed to not getting her at all. My fingers are still crossed for some free DLC echoes or maybe a second fighter pass

Her guitar could also be incorporated into her taunts and victory animations as well.

 

[Deleted member]

Speaking of Animal Crate. That really should had been an item. It could had worked the same way as Poke Balls and Assist Trophies did.

Aw, crud! I got Parry the Parallel Bird again! He dies after one hit.

 

[Will]

>implying Kiddy Kong wouldn't be the coolest **** ever

Y'all stay in your closet salt mines, explore the unexplored.

 

[Wyoming]

And if Sakurai wanted to revive a forgotten Kong?

Lanky, baby.
Memes aside, people actually like Lanky. His limbs and abilities are so unique that they'd be a great addition to a modern DKC game. If he came back as a playable Kong most would be pleased.

I also think Tiny could be neat, despite being a Dixie clone of sorts. Her ability to shrink in size would make some interesting sections for her.

And then there's Chunky!
...he's dead.
Not even kidding here. He simply can't offer anything that DK already can't.

 

[Deleted member]

Something that really annoys me is that Inkling's Roller is really hard to deal with, not because it's op or something, but because of the stupid input lag online. Makes it hard to punish it lol

 

[Wademan94]

Would Funky have made a good echo fighter?

 

[Deleted member]

And if Sakurai wanted to revive a forgotten Kong?

Lanky, baby.
Memes aside, people actually like Lanky. His limbs and abilities are so unique that they'd be a great addition to a modern DKC game. If he came back as a playable Kong most would be pleased.

I also think Tiny could be neat, despite being a Dixie clone of sorts. Her ability to shrink in size would make some interesting sections for her.

And then there's Chunky!
...he's dead.
Not even kidding here. He simply can't offer anything that DK already can't.

Yeah but is DK one hell of a guy? Didn’t think so.

 

[TheCJBrine]

And then there's Chunky!
...he's dead.
Not even kidding here. He simply can't offer anything that DK already can't.

He can pick up a boulder with relative ease.

Makes sneaking 'round baddies seem such a breeze.

 

[Will]

Would Funky have made a good echo fighter?

He should honestly just be his own fighter because he makes all the DK weapons and vehicles. There's too much to explore not to, but then again -->

 

[Deleted member]

He can pick up a boulder with relative ease.

Makes sneaking 'round baddies seem such a breeze.

‘Relative ease’ is such a funny lyric to me. It’s like they what to show how tough he is, but they’re still like ‘Let’s be honest here he needs to put a bit of effort into picking up boulders, let’s not get crazy’

 

[Wyoming]

Would Funky have made a good echo fighter?

He could be unique, but people would be lying if they denied the possibility of him being a clone due to convenience. He has the same build as DK, and him doing the moves DK does is not out of the question.

The surfboard however is an important part of his character...but they could relegate it to victory poses if that's what they want. It depends on what vision they want for Funky. The path that he is a clone is certainly possible.

But for DLC, if he's in, he will be unique enough anyway.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

And then there's Chunky!
...he's dead.
Not even kidding here. He simply can't offer anything that DK already can't.

I had always wondered why Chunky was never in Barrel Blast if Tiny and Lanky got in...

Poor Chunky. Forever forgotten...

 

[Will]

i want funky in smash but it's just the soundclips from mario kart wii

 

[TMNTSSB4]

What would the fandom's reaction be if Kiddy Kong got in while Dixie still got left out?

Just curious.

I would try to murder Kiddy Kong

 

[MainJPW]

‘Relative ease’ is such a funny lyric to me. It’s like they what to show how tough he is, but they’re still like ‘Let’s be honest here he needs to put a bit of effort into picking up boulders, let’s not get crazy’

And then DK proceeds to punch the moon out of its orbit in Tropical Freeze.

 

[Wademan94]

He could be unique, but people would be lying if they denied the possibility of him being a clone due to convenience. He has the same build as DK, and him doing the moves DK does is not out of the question.

The surfboard however is an important part of his character...but they could relegate it to victory poses if that's what they want. It depends on what vision they want for Funky. The path that he is a clone is certainly possible.

But for DLC, if he's in, he will be unique enough anyway.

What if he used his surfboard to perform his versions of those special moves? Like spinning it instead of his arms for up special or bonking opponents on the head with it to bury them in the ground in his side special?

 

[Will]

And then DK proceeds to punch the moon out of its orbit in Tropical Freeze.

that was the original dkcr you uncultured swine

you're not a real DK fan, get out of here

 

[AntagonisticGalaxyCetacea]

Ok I feel like some people are taking the "unexpected characters" comment by Reggie a bit TOO seriously

Like... it's just PR talk. Like I bet there's gonna be another 3rd party or something that'll be surprising like a Dark Souls rep or some **** but don't think that anyone is (de)confirmed because of this. I mean, he's literally just trying to hype people up. He's a PR guy. Don't take characters off/put characters on prediction lists because of this one comment he made lmao

But Reggie said that the characters are unexpected, Geno is unexpected so that means hes in!

 

[Deleted member]

He could be unique, but people would be lying if they denied the possibility of him being a clone due to convenience. He has the same build as DK, and him doing the moves DK does is not out of the question.

The surfboard however is an important part of his character...but they could relegate it to victory poses if that's what they want. It depends on what vision they want for Funky. The path that he is a clone is certainly possible.

But for DLC, if he's in, he will be unique enough anyway.

Couldn’t they just have the animation of DK’s up b be replaced with him twirling his surfboard to hover like in tropical freeze? You wouldn’t even have to change the properties much.

 

[Deleted member]

I had always wondered why Chunky was never in Barrel Blast if Tiny and Lanky got in...

Poor Chunky. Forever forgotten...

People hate him because he's related to Kiddy.

 

[MainJPW]

that was the original dkcr you uncultured swine

you're not a real DK fan, get out of here

Excuse me for getting my Country’s mixed up. I own both games you know!

 

[DevaAshera]

So, probably nothing, but did you guys know that strings are in the code for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate for Jet Force Gemini and Blast Corps, two Rare games? Just an interesting tidbit.
Also left overs for a Home Run Contest stage, which is also interesting but may mean nothing.
https://tcrf.net/Super_Smash_Bros._Ultimate

I just don't recall if this stuff was ever discussed..but I thought it would have popped up in Banjo fans reasons for thinking the duo could appear as DLC.