Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Shroob]

I dunno, I like taking the piss on fans that go to extremes.


Not innocent "I like Waluigi because he's a cool guy!" kind of fans.


Fans that:

"PURPLE AND YELLOW CHAIRS?! IT'S WALUIGI?!"


"WHY WOULD SAKURAI SHOW US WALUIGI AS THE ONLY ATTACKABLE ASSIST?! IT'S OBVIOUSLY A RUSE TO HIDE WALUIGI AS PLAYABLE!"



Yeah, 'those' are the fans I like ****ing with, people that look into the clouds for Ridley.

 

[Double K]

He's technically a main character by being playable at all, and being a main villain in at least two of the spinoffs (I'm not very familiar with them all).

Asagi is a character who made her debut in the game, Makai Kingdom, for the Playstation 2, as a bonus boss. After defeating her, she says she'll see you in the sequel, Makai Wars.

Makai Wars was cancelled. She then spent the next almost decade appearing as a bonus boss for other NIS games, trying to beat up the main characters and hijack their game. Each time, she'd have a new voice actor and be a bit crazier.

She got to be the main character eventually... in the bonus route of "Prinny 2: Dawn of Operation Panties, Dood!" where iirc, she dies at the end.

Sometime during the early 2010s, she was announced that finally, they'd give her Makai Wars for the PS4! She makes a final cameo appearance in Disgaea 5 where all the asagis you fought from previous games, were evil clones, and you get the one true Asagi who is a serious character.

The team working on her game quit NIS and Makai Wars was canceled again.

She eventually a few years ago finally got her own game for real this time... as a mobile phone game where she is the starting unit you get that you discard because her stats are bad.


The lesson here, is that you can make them important... but they'll never get their own game, or get a chance in the spotlight to show themselves off seriously. They exist as a joke. A punchline. Something to laugh at. And it's why we love them (and why Disgaea 5 sucked)

 

[Holder of the Heel]

...I just beat Guile (a Legend Rank Spirit) in the most bull-**** way possible.

Guile is a battle against Captain Falcon, where the Guile assist trophy appears, the same rules applies as with all other Street Fighter spirits (Stamina Battle, everyone has reduced Jump Power)

I was having trouble beating him using Cloud, but then I beat Captain Falcon by accident, by using Climhazzard (not even the Limit version) and meteor-spiking Captain Falcon as he was trying to edge-guard me.

So... uh... fun fact, if you take someone with you with Climhazzard, you take the stock.

The Guile assist trophy is incredibly annoying. Get near him and he messes you up. Get on the opposite side of the stage and his projectiles reach just long enough to still hit you.

That one took me more tries than most of the battles on the map.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

>TFW Piranha Plant is more of an recurring character then Waluigi.

Makes sense since he's appeared as an enemy in most of the Mario games. No wonder Sakurai chose him over Waluigi.

 

[Noipoi]

Being Waluigi is suffering.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Waluigi probably isn't playable because he's never actually showed up in any mainline Mario games. Nintendo themselves have never had any desire to do anything with him.

Daisy is based off of her spinoff incarnation, and Rosalina is basically a one-off if we ignore her two secret appearances and the spinoffs.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Isn’t Daisy’s only mainline appearance in Super Mario Run? And that game was released AFTER a the roster was determined.

And Super Mario Land.

Besides, Daisy's a clone, not a unique character...
She probably didn't take too much development time

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Daisy is based off of her spinoff incarnation, and Rosalina is basically a one-off if we ignore her two secret appearances and the spinoffs.

At least Rosalina though did star in two main games (Galaxy and its sequel) hence her inclusion in Smash.

 

[Idon]

This circular logic makes me want to hang myself.

"Waluigi isn't important enough to be in Smash"

-> Then make him important enough so there's no iss-

"NO! THAT WOULD RUIN WHO HE IS!"


Just say you hate his guts and move on. Haters are easier to put up with than people pretending they give a **** about who he is.

That's the trend.
Somewhere, somehow, the fans are always going to come up for a reason to preserve the current status quo.
It happens, for quite literally everything Smash has done.

 

[Noipoi]

It won't happen here, but I promise you Waluigi will get in eventually.

 

[Shroob]

This circular logic makes me want to hang myself.

"Waluigi isn't important enough to be in Smash"

-> Then make him important enough so there's no iss-

"NO! THAT WOULD RUIN WHO HE IS!"


Just say you hate his guts and move on. Haters are easier to put up with than people pretending they give a **** about who he is.

I love Waluigi, and would welcome him in Smash.


But Waluigi(The character) bullying is what makes him enjoyable. Even Charles Martinet himself says that Waluigi's a self-loathing character, so if you give him the starlight, that kind of takes a bit away from him, IMO at least.


Waluigi is fun because you, and he, realizes what a joke he is.

 

[praline]

Isn’t Daisy’s only mainline appearance in Super Mario Run? And that game was released AFTER a the roster was determined.

Daisy was added as a playable character because she’s an easy clone of Peach. Waluigi isn’t in cause he’s got nobody he could easily be a clone of.

 

[ZaneHitsurugi]

Its only been what, a week? And I'm already sick of fighting these ***** ass chrom's.

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

Daisy is based off of her spinoff incarnation, and Rosalina is basically a one-off if we ignore her two secret appearances and the spinoffs.

It's not really about where they draw their inspiration from, it's more about where the character originated. Both Daisy and Rosalina began in actual main series Mario titles (Super Mario Land and Super Mario Galaxy 1 & 2 respectively), while Waluigi did not and still hasn't.

I'm not saying this to diss Waluigi or anything btw, I'm simply stating why I believe he's still an assist trophy and probably will always be one.

 

[Double K]

It won't happen here, but I promise you Waluigi will get in eventually.

Narrator: Waluigi was then made into a Spirit for Smash 6

 

[Deleted member]

I’m pretty sure that absolutely nobody is going to say ‘Oh thats a shame him being playable ruins the joke’ if waluigi ever becomes playable. It’s not a reason to keep him out, it’s a justification for him not being in. There’s a difference.

 

[lightdrago]

It won't happen here, but I promise you Waluigi will get in eventually.

Oh most definitely. The outcry was even acknowledged. Smash 6 will most def have Waluigi playable.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Narrator: Waluigi was then made into a Spirit for Smash 6

Smash 7: Waluigi made into an Mii Costume.

 

[Double K]

Smash 7: Waluigi made into an Mii Costume.

Smash 8: "Look! Waluigi! He's in the clouds!"

 

[Shroob]

Smash 7: Waluigi made into an Mii Costume.

Smash 8: Waluigi has been added finally to the roster.

He's an echo of Chrom.


And we didn't bother to actually make the model fit the character.



Don't ask.

 

[TheCJBrine]

At least Rosalina though did star in two main games (Galaxy and its sequel) hence her inclusion in Smash.

Galaxy's sequel is one of her secret appearances.

You could say she's sort-of the star due to how her role was in the first Galaxy, but she's more of a minor character that you wouldn't know about until you beat the hard, true final level.

If you ask me, I doubt Nintendo gives a crap about what's a spinoff and what's not when it comes to playable characters.

 

[lightdrago]

I suppose he’ll get his chance another day...

 

[LetterO]

At least Rosalina though did star in two main games (Galaxy and its sequel) hence her inclusion in Smash.

I love Waluigi, and would welcome him in Smash.


But Waluigi(The character) bullying is what makes him enjoyable. Even Charles Martinet himself says that Waluigi's a self-loathing character, so if you give him the starlight, that kind of takes a bit away from him, IMO at least.


Waluigi is fun because you, and he, realizes what a joke he is.

Can we stop this logic?

Sakurai doesn't operate like that. Sakurai doesn't look into "taking away character meaning" or "mainline games they star in" to add a character. He adds who he feels would have a good moveset in Smash, who would be unique in Smash, who would bring something new and fun to Smash.

Sakurai adds who he wants. It's not rocket science. He imagines who would have a great moveset and adds them when possible. If in the future he thinks up a good moveset that will make Waluigi fun and interesting, he will do it, mainline appearences and character meaning be damned.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Galaxy's sequel is one of her secret appearances.

You could say she's sort-of the star due to how her role was in the first Galaxy, but she's more of a minor character that you wouldn't know about until you beat the hard, true final level.

Still at least in a main series game never the less.

 

[Noipoi]

Alright, i'm outta here.

I like Waluigi, I don't need to be told why that's wrong.

I probably come off as angry but i'm really not, i'm just over the Waluigi hate train. I've been over it since June.

See you guys later.

 

[praline]

Oh most definitely. The outcry was even acknowledged. Smash 6 will most def have Waluigi playable.

As a mii costume.

 

[Shroob]

Can we stop this logic?

Sakurai doesn't operate like that. Sakurai doesn't look into "taking away character meaning" or "mainline games they star in" to add a character. He adds who he feels would have a good moveset in Smash, who would be unique in Smash, who would bring something new and fun to Smash.

Sakurai adds who he wants. It's not rocket science. He imagines who would have a great moveset and adds them when possible. If in the future he thinks up a good moveset that will make Waluigi fun and interesting, he will do it, mainline appearences and character meaning be damned.

Sure, but we're also not Sakurai.

I'm not using "He's a character meant to be bullied so he can't get in", I'm just saying that's what makes the character endearing to me since his entire existence is a pointless joke.

 

[KMDP]

The Guile assist trophy is incredibly annoying. Get near him and he messes you up. Get on the opposite side of the stage and his projectiles reach just long enough to still hit you.

That one took me more tries than most of the battles on the map.

I'm glad it only took me like four tries.

I found the worst Spirit Battles on the Final Map to be Guile, Eggman and EVE. Also the Final Bosses are extremely difficult.

It's probably got something to do with me playing on Hard Mode. >_>

 

[Michael the Spikester]

As a mii costume.

Even better. As a stage character in the background on a Mario Party stage.

 

[Wademan94]

Smash 7: Waluigi made into an Mii Costume.

As a mii costume.

I mean we’re kinda halfway there already...

 

[lightdrago]

Still at least in a main series game never the less.

So If Sakurai thought of an awesome and workable move set he thought fans would enjoy and wanted to implement it for Waluigi but he would stop himself because “nope he’s never appeared in a mainline Mario game I can’t add him.”

C’mon.

 

[praline]

Even better. As a stage character in the background on a Mario Party stage.

I like the way you think

 

[Double K]

Even better. As a stage character in the background on a Mario Party stage.

Lte's one up, a faded poster in the background

 

[Deleted member]

I don’t even care about waluigi that much honestly. I just don’t think the logic behind him being a joke holds up too well.
If you ask me, the first party character that, ahem, ‘deserves’ a place in smash the most is Dixie Kong.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I don’t even care about waluigi that much honestly. I just don’t think the logic behind him being a joke holds up too well.
If you ask me, the first party character that, ahem, ‘deserves’ a place in smash the most is Dixie Kong.

What about Toad tho?

 

[Shroob]

Why are we even arguing this now when Ultimate's hopefully got a long life ahead of itself.

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

As a mii costume.

Plus we have purple Mario and Luigi costumes, so we technically have 3 playable Waluigis already.

 

[Double K]

I don’t even care about waluigi that much honestly. I just don’t think the logic behind him being a joke holds up too well.
If you ask me, the first party character that, ahem, ‘deserves’ a place in smash the most is Dixie Kong.

Honestly, yeah

but also give me Lanky

 

[lightdrago]

Why are we even arguing this now when Ultimate's hopefully got a long life ahead of itself.

We’re just starting the speculation for Smash 6

 

[Deleted member]

What about Toad tho?

Forgot about him. He come second for me, although I can’t deny his iconcity. I just think Dixie Kong is more prominent than toad relative to each other in the games they appear in.